Sean Taylor gets a 10 on the Wonderlic Test!!

[skinswin]

Well, well, well...seems that old Sean is as dumb as a bag of rocks.:o

Let me educate the people that don't know Gibbs. Gibbs likes intelligent players. He likes them over more talented players and Gibbs has stated several times when he was our coach previously that he has chosen less talented players with intelligence over more talented players who are stupid.

So you can forget about Sean Taylor. Taylor's work ethic at the Miami workouts coupled with his stupidity have eliminated him from Gibbs list.

Damn Sean..you get 5 points just for writting your name on the test!!!:doh:

[straightupbeast]

thats just weird

[Yudolindo]

Why does this whole debate have to be spiteful and bitter? At this point I hope we trade our pick away so this whole Udeze V. Taylor thing will stop.

[Brokenstriker]

link?

story?

[Yudolindo]

Udeze supposedly got an 18, so does that make him a Rhodes scholar? This is silly. Anyways, Miami players rarely get above 15, does that mean they suck in the NFL? Football for some is instinctive.

[colkurtz]

Originally posted by Yudolindo
Why does this whole debate have to be spiteful and bitter? At this point I hope we trade our pick away so this whole Udeze V. Taylor thing will stop.

I agree. I don't think we should draft Taylor over Winslow or a DE; but it's nothing personal against him or the people who support him.

I guess what this thread is saying is that Taylor did not do well on some kind of intelligence test???

That will not dissuade those who think Taylor will transform our defense.

IMHO the FO has a very tough decision to make on draft day. I think they will draft for need if they have any good trade down offers, or WII if they don't.

[Derek042]

Hahaha, I guess that means Gibbs will be targeting all the players from Yale and Stanford... We all know that they produce great NFL superstars ever year. You have to have football smarts & good character

[BigCountry]

Originally posted by skinswin
Well, well, well...seems that old Sean is as dumb as a bag of rocks.:o

Let me educate the people that don't know Gibbs. Gibbs likes intelligent players. He likes them over more talented players and Gibbs has stated several times when he was our coach previously that he has chosen less talented players with intelligence over more talented players who are stupid.

So you can forget about Sean Taylor. Taylor's work ethic at the Miami workouts coupled with his stupidity have eliminated him from Gibbs list.

Damn Sean..you get 5 points just for writting your name on the test!!!:doh:

Didn't Gibbs draft Dexter Manley mainly for his intelectual capacity? :smash: In other words, it doesn't matter one bit.

[Farbod]

I can get a perfect score... Do you want me as your starting MLB?

[LavarBabyDaddy]

what a dumb (edit)... here comes desmond howard again someone who doesnt understand the playbook.

[skinswin'emALL]

An interesting story about the Wonderlic, complete with sample questions........

http://espn.go.com/page2/s/closer/020228.html

[BlacksburgHog]

I wasn't aware that you had to be a Harvard grad to a play the game of football. I'm not that big on Sean Taylor but, that test is meaningless IMHO. Like the SAT's, I doubt this thing proves very much about a person.

[SonnyandSam]

Originally posted by skinswin

Damn Sean..you get 5 points just for writting your name on the test!!!:doh:

You lose a point for bad spelling/lack of attention to detail. Please note the way "writting" is spelled.

Now drop and do 50 pushups followed by a 4.6 second 40 yard run and please bench press 225 lb 20 times.

:weak:

[VirginiaRedskin]

Originally posted by LaVarPA
You lose a point for bad spelling/lack of attention to detail. Please note the way "writting" is spelled.

Now drop and do 50 pushups followed by a 4.6 second 40 yard run and please bench press 225 lb 20 times.

:weak:


Actually, Taylor would also have a hard time benching 225 for 20 times as he only was able to do it for 11 when he tested.

Like him or not, if it is true that Taylor scored a ten on the Wonderlic, he is close to being retarded. No thanks.

[straightupbeast]

who cares?

[VirginiaRedskin]

Originally posted by straightupbeast
who cares?

Sounds like someone who has never seen an NFL playbook. You do not have to be a Mensa Genius to be in the NFL, but a ten shows either he did not try or is painfully stupid. It is not as if he is the QB, but a safety still has some responsibilities in the pros that will challenge him mentally in ways college did not.

[RichardBradley]

I bet you he could read his contract! Thats more than we can say about some of our team !

[funnyperson1]

harlie Wonderlic Jr., president of Wonderlic Inc., says, "A score of 10 is literacy, that's about all we can say."

Well at least he's literate :p.

[JoeDaSchmoe]

What's the scoring range on the Wonderlic?

[funnyperson1]

The highest score is 50, 20 is about average and 10 is literate.

[TwistyNiblet]

Has anyone ever scored a 50 on this thing?

[SonnyandSam]

This is usually not like me....but I am starting to waffle on our draft pick again. I first thought getting Udeze or DL help was the right thing to do. Then I started hearing all these great things about Taylor and decided he was more of an impact player.

But now with the results of the Miami Pro day and the Wonderlic test score, I wonder if this guy may be a real bust. After all, more than half the NCAA basketball experts all kept telling me Kentucky was a lock to win the National Championship.

Can't believe anything any more.......:confused:

[Skins57]

I never consider Lawerence Taylor a very smart man but would you want him on your team.... Thought so

[VirginiaRedskin]

Originally posted by TwistyNiblet
Has anyone ever scored a 50 on this thing?

A score of 19 on the test, which is written at a sixth-grade reading level, is considered average for an NFL player. Former Cincinnati punter Pat McInally, a Harvard graduate, is the only NFL player known to have aced the test with a perfect 50.

[Yudolindo]

I am going to say this again: every Miami player stinks up his test. KW2 got something like a twelve, Vince Wilfork got a ten, so should teams not draft them? Lets see, my guess would be such players as Ray Lewis, Clinton Portis, Warren Sapp etc all panned there little test, so that indicates that the Wonderlic mean nothing. Or should we avoid a potential superstar simply because he went to Miami and thus never had to go to class? Please. Anyway, Udeze got 8 more points, so he is no genius either. Both of them will know the play book; it’s really a matter of caring: Miami’s products don’t care to go to class. I can’t blame them.

[Dexter72]

I had also seen the 10 score for Taylor on a message board somewhere, but there wasn't a link. LT and Dexter were both terrific players, but something I think worth considering is the position Taylor plays. A DE, DT, or pass-rushing LB doesn't really need to do too much thinking -- they rush and look for the ball. I think Safeties and QBs need to be more intelligent. A safety has to be able to quickly diagnosis a play and react to it...if he can't go through and retain information on formations (for both teams), tendencies, scouting reports, etc. during the week, he may get out of position and give up touchdowns. I read somewhere a while back (don't have a link) that teams started to pay a lot more attention to the wonderlic after a one Heath Shuler scored in the single digits and never showed the ability to grasp what the hell was going on on gamedays.

[IowaSkinsFan]

Where do you get scores for the Wonderlich test?

[kaiser]

Isn't the S the Qb of the D? I know OLs and QBs have to be smart to be able to react to changes in sets, audibles, etc. Safeties have to call plays on D, don't they.

Actually, the whole performance of Taylor this off season has been quite disturbing - he's underperformed everywhere. This to me is not a good sign as to the type of player he will be. Seriously, 3 years of college and all he could get was a 10?! He's not doing himself any favours.

[Odyn]

Has Pastabelly taken the Wonderlic, or did he eat it?

[skinswin'emALL]

If they had this test whe Dexter Manely played what did he score?

:p

[Skins57]

Originally posted by Odyn
Has Pastabelly taken the Wonderlic, or did he eat it?

He probably thought it was a new crispy creme :D

I always thought the MLB was considered the QB of the defense. Isn't the MLB in charge of the plays and getting everyone set... don't know for sure but i thought that was the way it was

[Dexter72]

Originally posted by Odyn
Has Pastabelly taken the Wonderlic, or did he eat it?

Pastabelly took it in 2001, but his hands sweated out so much Marinara on to the ScanTron, it was impossible to grade.

[dogfight6]

I saw the test and none of the questions said "If a reciever tries to catch a football in your zone do you, A] let him B] let him and wave bye-bye or C] Knock him into the next time zone and make him want his mama.

[Stinkfist0]

Gibbs likes players who are "football smart" which is different than school smarts. I don't think coach cares if these guys can solve calculus problems on the fly, he just wants them to be able to play smart on the field.

I know it's a different sport but I've coached AAU basketball for years and some of my boys have been C students in the classroom but really had an amazing ability to see the floor and understood the game. Their "basketball smarts" would've been A+. I imagine football works the same way for many of these young players.

[Skins57]

I think this test is a joke as I really wonder how many of hte players really take it seriously

[SkinsKY]

Originally posted by Skins57
I always thought the MLB was considered the QB of the defense. Isn't the MLB in charge of the plays and getting everyone set... don't know for sure but i thought that was the way it was

MLBs do direct the defense. Rod Woodson has been referred to as the QB of the defense because of his experience and he happens to be a saftey.

[Skins57]

THought so, Thanks SkinsKY

[SkinsKY]

Originally posted by Stinkfist0
Gibbs likes players who are "football smart" which is different than school smarts. I don't think coach cares if these guys can solve calculus problems on the fly, he just wants them to be able to play smart on the field.

I doubt the test involve Calculus and I have no doubt that kids with low Wonderlich scores play good ball. But when a kid has a higher score, it indicates that he works hard at something other than football. It's a little counter-intuitive, but I believe that the more the player learns outside of what he learns on the field, the better his football instincts will be. It indicates that a player realizes the mind needs to be developed alongside the body to be the best player they can be.

[garedskin]

Well all that really matters is can he play safety in the NFL. He is a play maker as was Dexter Manley who by the way got a degree from Oklahoma ST. When he could not even read. I wonder what his score was when Gibbs/Beatherd drafted him in 81? IF we had passed on Dexter how good would have our defense been with out him? I am more into his football smarts,and play making ability than if a player understands Einstiens Theory of Relativity. Come on people it still comes down to what a man's smarts and ability are on a football field.

[28thegreat]

The Wonderlic Personnel Test ™
WPT ™ Sample Questions

1. Look at the row of numbers below. What number should come next?
8 4 2 1 ½ ¼ ?


2. Assume the first two statements are true. Is the final one:
1. true, 2. false, 3. not certain?
The boy plays baseball. All baseball players wear hats. The boy wears a hat.

3. Paper sells for 21 cents per pad. What will four pads cost?

4. How many of the five pairs of items listed below are exact duplicates?
Nieman, K.M. Neiman, K.M.
Thomas, G.K. Thomas, C.K.
Hoff, J.P. Hoff, J.P.
Pino, L.R. Pina, L.R.
Warner, T.S. Wanner, T.S.


5. PRESENT RESERVE • Do these words
1. have similar meanings, 2. have contradictory meanings, 3. mean neither the same nor opposite?

6. One of the numbered figures in the following drawing is most different from the others. What is the number in that figure?

7. A train travels 20 feet in 1/5 second. At this same speed, how many feet will it travel in three seconds?

8. When rope is selling at $.10 a foot, how many feet can you buy for sixty cents?

9. The ninth month of the year is
1. October, 2. January, 3. June, 4. September, 5 May.


10. Which number in the following group of numbers represents the smallest amount?
7 .8 31 .33 2


11. In printing an article of 48,000 words, a printer decides to use two sizes of type. Using the larger type, a printed page contains 1,800 words. Using smaller type, a page contains 2,400 words. The article is allotted 21 full pages in a magazine. How many pages must be in smaller type?

12. The hours of daylight and darkness in SEPTEMBER are nearest equal to the hours of daylight and darkness in:
1. June, 2. March, 3. May, 4. November.


13. Three individuals form a partnership and agree to divide the profits equally. X invests $9,000, Y invests $7,000, Z invests $4,000. If the profits are $4,800, how much less does X receive than if the profits were divided in proportion to the amount invested?

14. Assume the first two statements are true. Is the final one:
1. true, 2. false, 3. not certain?
Tom greeted Beth. Beth greeted Dawn. Tom did not greet Dawn.

15. A boy is 17 years old and his sister is twice as old. When the boy is 23 years old, what will be the age of his sister?

These are sample test questions and are intended for demonstration purposes only. The Wonderlic Personnel Test is published by Wonderlic, Inc.

[28thegreat]

Answers
1. 1/8
2. true
3. 84 cents
4. 1
5. 3
6. 4
7. 300 feet
8. 6 feet
9. September
10. .33
11. 17
12. March
13. $560
14. not certain
15. 40 years old




Got em all correct too...and with no help from my seven year old genius son.

[28thegreat]

In general, says Wonderlic, "The closer you are to the ball, the higher your score."

This assessment roughly corresponds to the averages revealed, according to the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel, by an NFL personnel man in Paul Zimmerman's "The New Thinking man's Guide to Pro Football," which are:

Offensive tackles: 26
Centers: 25
Quarterbacks: 24
Guards: 23
Tight Ends: 22
Safeties: 19
Middle linebackers: 19
Cornerbacks: 18
Wide receivers: 17
Fullbacks: 17
Halfbacks: 16

The average scores in other professions look like this:

Chemist: 31
Programmer: 29
Newswriter: 26
Sales: 24
Bank teller: 22
Clerical Worker: 21
Security Guard: 17
Warehouse: 15

[Smiley]

One person scored a perfect score on this test. He was on the NFL Channel with two current players. I forget his name, he's from Harvard. They gave 5-6 questions from the test, a coupl eof them were a little tricky but it's not rocket science. The two current players were dumb as rocks. Rich Eisen took the test too, he actually did the best. It's really common sense and reading the question thoroughly.

[Counter Trey]

I took the samle test and I'm sure like most of you got all of the answers right. I do not consider myself one of advanced IQ, probably more of an average IQ to be honest. I catch onto somethings faster than others like everyone else does.
I don't know about the rest of you but after taking that sample test I wouldn't judge someone's intelligence by it, especially if the test is very similar to that sample.
If the guy can play football then he can play football. I would be interested to see a result of multiple players past perfomances on the wonderlic test compaired to those players success in football field at any position.

[SkinsKY]

This test isn't rocket science (as some have suggested), so it shouldn't be hard to sit down and do somewhat well on this thing. I don't think this in any way reflects the total intelligence of a player, but if gives good indications of their ability to process knowledge. I don't think it should be the sole factor in not drafting a guy, but I would be willing to take a little less talent for a little more brains.

[skinswin]

Originally posted by Dexter72
I had also seen the 10 score for Taylor on a message board somewhere, but there wasn't a link. LT and Dexter were both terrific players, but something I think worth considering is the position Taylor plays. A DE, DT, or pass-rushing LB doesn't really need to do too much thinking -- they rush and look for the ball. I think Safeties and QBs need to be more intelligent. A safety has to be able to quickly diagnosis a play and react to it...if he can't go through and retain information on formations (for both teams), tendencies, scouting reports, etc. during the week, he may get out of position and give up touchdowns. I read somewhere a while back (don't have a link) that teams started to pay a lot more attention to the wonderlic after a one Heath Shuler scored in the single digits and never showed the ability to grasp what the hell was going on on gamedays.


Exactly. You see, you have to have smarts being a safety. Safeties are considered the QB's on defense.

It doesn't matter if Dexter Manley was stupid because alot of smarts isn't required for his position.

But for QB, Safety, Cornerback and Linebackers..smarts are required.

So stop getting mad at me because Taylor scored a 10. Don't shoot the messenger.

You need to take it up with Gibbs because to Gibbs, this is a big deal. Gibbs has gone or record as saying he will take an intelligent player with less talent over a very talented player that is not too bright.

[Smiley]

The problem is you only have 15 minutes to complete the test. 10 correct answers is still a problem. However, he is a safety, not a QB. This test indicates aptitude in thinking. #4 will show any dyslexic(sp?) in the group.

[Smiley]

I do think it's funny he scored a 10.

[J-Rod]

They give this test for a reason. Almost every team gives an intellligence test in some form or another. This test is given to test spacial relation skills, problem solving skills, information digestion, and ability to think under pressure (among other things)...all things that football players need to do their jobs effectively. BUT, these are not the only things that make players good or even great. Athletic ability goes in the equation as well. Intelligence tests are just measuring sticks for only one aspect of the game so even though I think that intelligence is a major factor in the game of football, it is never the less just one factor.

I do think it's funny that he got a 10 though.

Mental Picture:
Advisor: Basket Weaving 101 will fit in nicely with your fall football schedule Mr. Taylor.
Taylor: (nodding) Basket Weaving huh? Are you sure I can get a tutor to do all of my projects for me?
Advisor: (nodding emphatically) No, of course not Mr. Taylor (wink wink)

[dj_stouty]

It's a basic/standard intelligence test...similar to the ones you can take online. It doesn't judge how well you react to offensive formations if you are a S, or if you have the skills to look off defenders and make the necessary throw if you are a QB.

Look at what was written by Peter King in 1999 on the eve of the draft.

Akili Smith, the Oregon quarterback, took the NFL's intelligence test, the Wonderlic, last fall and scored a 13 out of 50. He got tutored for a night and then, according to Smith, he studied in the school library with the Oregon backup quarterback, Jason Maas, for a different version of the Wonderlic. On the second Wonderlic, Smith got a 37. When the Chicago Tribune asked the Wonderlic company about a rise from 13 to 37, the firm said, basically, that this was impossible, that you can't study for the Wonderlic.

If nothing else, it is an interesting story. Do a little studying, and double your score. LOL

Here are some NFL'ers scores, from TGAssociates:

Among quarterbacks Brian Griese is said to have scored a 39, Drew Bledsoe 37, Steve Young 33, John Elway 30, Troy Aikman 29, Cade McNown 28, Mark Brunell 22, Tim Couch 22, Trent Dilfer 22, Brett Favre 22, Daunte Culpepper 21, Vinny Testaverde 18, Dan Marino 16, Randall Cunningham 15 and Jeff George 10.

Does this mean Dan Marino is only 1/2 as good as Steve Young, since Dan got 1/2 the Wonderlic score? Nope. Is Brian Griese Hall-of-Fame bound becuase of his high score? Nope...in fact he is lucky to be a back up this year.

Jeff George getting a 10 is pretty hilarious too.

Also noteworthy...

Ramsey scored a 32 and Brunell scored a 22.

[RichardBradley]

Anyone who beleives that Gibbs only likes smart players needs to remember that Dexter Manyley played for him and could not read.

[NCskinsfanatic]

Well it seems like only the really overrated(George,Schuler are both good example lol)score 10 or lower on this test.Its a factor but one of many.I think,as stated numerous times,football smarts/skills are not measured by this test.But when you score 10 or less you have to think does this guy have enough "talent" to offset his lack of ability to process info in a very short period of time.

[TwistyNiblet]

Originally posted by RichardBradley
Anyone who beleives that Gibbs only likes smart players needs to remember that Dexter Manyley played for him and could not read.

You know, after reading this thread I agree: who cares if Taylor can do fractions and division, as long as he can smash faces?

[SkinsKY]

Originally posted by RichardBradley
Anyone who beleives that Gibbs only likes smart players needs to remember that Dexter Manyley played for him and could not read.

Having an uncle who is 40 and probably has a 6th grade reading level, I can say that the ability to read is not necessarily an indicator of intelligence. After a point, it becomes embarassing and you don't get help for it because it means people find out the truth. My uncle is a very smart man, especially in his profession. He was just too embarrased to admit his lack of literacy, not his lack of ability to learn to read. Dexter never learned because he didn't have to, not because he couldn't, and that's an important distinction.

[skinswin]

Originally posted by RichardBradley
Anyone who beleives that Gibbs only likes smart players needs to remember that Dexter Manyley played for him and could not read.

Manley played DE. High intelligence isn't required to play that position.

But at safety and QB for example, intelligence is required.

[Yudolindo]

Originally posted by skinswin
Manley played DE. High intelligence isn't required to play that position.

But at safety and QB for example, intelligence is required.

Football smarts are required. Most Miami products do horribly on their Wonderlics and do very well in the NFL. My bet is that they don’t take this test seriously. Anyway, Udeze got an 18, so he is no Einstein either. People got mad at you for the spiteful and vindictive tone with which you posted, not for the fact that Sean Taylor got a ten on his test.

[straightupbeast]

who cares if sean taylor cant do math or doesnt have a good vocab its not like were hiring him to be a sales associate or soemthing were hiring him to play football

[rskinsfan10]

Originally posted by SkinsKY
Having an uncle who is 40 and probably has a 6th grade reading level, I can say that the ability to read is not necessarily an indicator of intelligence. After a point, it becomes embarassing and you don't get help for it because it means people find out the truth. My uncle is a very smart man, especially in his profession. He was just too embarrased to admit his lack of literacy, not his lack of ability to learn to read. Dexter never learned because he didn't have to, not because he couldn't, and that's an important distinction.

Well said.

[colkurtz]

This test is just one of the many indicators as to a draftee's "potential". Taylor had a sub-par workout and now got the lowest score on wonderlic test. Are these some kind of signs?

There is a lot of hype surrounding this kid. He had 10 int/3td's this season. Yet , he played with 2 other defensive players who will be in the first two rounds of this draft [not including Winslow]. Did they make a difference?

Perhaps he will be a Pro Bowl safety in a year or two. But he may be over-rated. Is he slipping in the draft? Are people starting to have doubts? I just saw a mock draft where S. Taylor went below 10. The horror!!

We have one great draft pick. The safety is a position of diminishing importance in the current NFL defenses. To my mind, we have bigger manning holes to fill.

But some on this forum have locked themselves into believing Taylor is the greatest safety to walk this planet no matter what he does.............

[Emmanouel8]

After reading the test over I think it's pretty sad Taylor scored so low. I'm not huge on tests like that as an indicator for pro football players but for crying out loud Taylor has been in college a couple of years now and I think most H.S. students can hit the avg score of that test.

Jeff George scored a 10.

[colkurtz]

Originally posted by Emmanouel8
After reading the test over I think it's pretty sad Taylor scored so low. I'm not huge on tests like that as an indicator for pro football players but for crying out loud Taylor has been in college a couple of years now and I think most H.S. students can hit the avg score of that test.

Jeff George scored a 10.

Please tell me you're not a fan of Jeff George or that you're going to start a thread urging the FO to bring him back!

LOL.

With him it figures. I don't put too much stock in this test.

[Emmanouel8]

I hate Jeff George, the guy gets on my last nerve and commentators drove me nuts when they said ' but he has a strong arm.' It doesn't surprise me he scored so low.

[CowboyKilla]

And if he gets that many interceptions no one will care. Can he play? Quit Hating

[Yudolindo]

Originally posted by Emmanouel8
I hate Jeff George, the guy gets on my last nerve and commentators drove me nuts when they said ' but he has a strong arm.' It doesn't surprise me he scored so low.

I think Jeff George had the best passing arm I have ever seen, or at least the best one I have seen in the last decade or so (and yes, Kornheiser says this all the time...) Based on physical gifts he had it all and more to be a great QB, but when it came for things he had to work for like the respect of his teammates or the playbook…well, to bad his head wasn’t in it. I think the allure of his potential took a lot of people in.