I can't lie boys ....

[Redskinfan28]

I am on the bandwagon for drafting Winslow and using him as our H-Back. I think he would be perfect. As opposed to a tight end, who generally lines up next to the tackle for blocking purposes, an H-back often goes in motion and is used as a blocker only in a momentum situation. That is, he is in motion and turning upfield at the time the block needs to be thrown. Moreover, if athletic enough, an H-back can be used like a flanker. By putting the H-back in motion, the offense creates confusion for the defense: who’s going to guard him; when he blocks, whom is he going to go after; etc.

Man, if we got K2, out offensive would be complete.

Moreover, our D is not that bad right now.

DTs - Griffith, Nobel, Haley, Holsey
DEs - Upshaw, Daniels, Wynn
LBs - LaVar, Trotter, Washington, Mitchell
CBs - Smoot, Springs, Bauman, Brown, Harris
Ss - Iffy, Bowen (I know Taylor would be nice)

[JoeDaSchmoe]

Sorry, I just threw up at the sight of our D-line starters.... What were you saying?

[REDMAN]

We need some more pass rushers. besides, Winslow is so good I think he might be gone before we pick.

[NCskinsfanatic]

Originally posted by JoeDaSchmoe
Sorry, I just threw up at the sight of our D-line starters.... What were you saying? LMAO, that was funny I almost spit pepsi all over my key board.

[Dexter72]

I agree with you Redskinfan28...and hopefully somehow they can toss another DL into the mix, to at least give them a front 4 capable of at a minimum stopping the run on a regular basis.

[TwistyNiblet]

Well Courtney Brown is no longer an option, so who do you suggest we "toss" into the mix?

[PennSkinsFan]

There are some girls here as well, better watch it buddy,i feel a Mom discipline coming quickly.....

[SkinsCT]

How about Kenny Holmes? Better getting to the passer than anyone else we have now. The Winslow argument is a really good one, especially when you consider how Shockey complimented the NYG offense a year ago, really took them to a different level. Still, Sean Taylor... I'm at a loss, but I can honestly say that if we land either one of those Canes I'll come away happy.

[SkinsKY]

Originally posted by JoeDaSchmoe
Sorry, I just threw up at the sight of our D-line starters.... What were you saying?

Exactly. We need to work on strengthening our weaknesses rather than adding to our strengths.

[Smiley]

i don't think kenny Holmes is in shape, otherwise we ould have made an offer. Using Winslow as an h-back does sound tempting.

[DallasSux]

i wanted taylor first but know i think we need to get udeze. we need some pass rush. or our defense will suck again.

[LATrueRedskin]

Isn't KGB of the Packers gonna be a cap casualty? Something to think about.

[PainterBoy]

Originally posted by JoeDaSchmoe
Sorry, I just threw up at the sight of our D-line starters.... What were you saying?

Funniest quote I've read in a while.

[Texas Skin]

Originally posted by JoeDaSchmoe
Sorry, I just threw up at the sight of our D-line starters.... What were you saying?

Exactly! Redskinsfan28 says our Defense is not that bad...... Our D-line Sucks again and I hate it.:(

[BurgundyNGold]

Originally posted by JoeDaSchmoe
Sorry, I just threw up at the sight of our D-line starters.... What were you saying?

LOL! This is precisely the point. I'd like to see Winslow - or even better Sean Taylor - in a Skins uni next year. But I'd like it even better if we had a DL that wasn't a laughing stock.

[skinswin]

We have one solid DT (Griffiths) and nothing at the DE position.

We could use both our 1st round pick and 5th round pick on the D-line and both would be justified.

[skinswin]

I want to bring Gardener back. We need good players on the D-line. Not just "bodies" to play the position.

[Redskinfan28]

Originally posted by JoeDaSchmoe
Sorry, I just threw up at the sight of our D-line starters.... What were you saying?


:D

[Redskinfan28]

Originally posted by SkinsKY
Exactly. We need to work on strengthening our weaknesses rather than adding to our strengths.

While I see what you are saying, do you think Udeze is the answer to our pass rushing problems? I don't think he's that much better than Upshaw or Daniels.

[skinswin]

Originally posted by Redskinfan28
While I see what you are saying, do you think Udeze is the answer to our pass rushing problems? I don't think he's that much better than Upshaw or Daniels.

Please!! Upshaw is done and Daniels has been on the decline for the last two years.

Udeze is young, strong as a bull and gets to the passer.

16 sacks. I don't know what more you want from the guy.

[NCskinsfanatic]

IMO we have done no more to help our D-line this offseason than we did last year.Last year we added Upshaw,Noble and Haley.This year Griffin and Daniels.I think we actually did a little better this year but only a little.

With just a marginal front 4,we will soon find out how much of a difference coaching makes.I tend to side with those that believe it makes a lot of difference.I believe having Williams and co. calling the shots it will allow us to be atleast a top 15 D with what we have now.I believe we could return to top 10 with a nice June 1st find and trade down.

We could still acquire a DE in the 1st and maybe an extra pick in the second or a later package like a 3rd and a 4th.This would be a solid way to improve depth along the line.Until the line improves Iffy and Bowen are the least of our worries.

[skinswin]

Exactly.

[SkinsKY]

Originally posted by Redskinfan28
While I see what you are saying, do you think Udeze is the answer to our pass rushing problems? I don't think he's that much better than Upshaw or Daniels.

Worst case scenario here is that Udeze is the same as Upshaw/Daniels. Even here the positive is that Udeze gets better while the other two are plateaued or on their way down. Udeze dropped 70 lbs and got 16.5 sacks. I don't care if he played on a dominant defense, 16.5 sacks is a lot. Upshaw and Daniels are run stoppers for the most part.

Pros for Udeze:
Can beef back up if need be
Played DT so he has a good complement of rush moves already
Found quite a bit of speed after he lost weight.
I think Udeze is much better than Upshaw or Daniels personally.

[The Skinsinator]

I have talked to several die hard UM fans. Most agreed that
Winslow is a rare talent and would be more promising then
even Taylor. He can block and catch. I am also somewhat in favor of getting him. We really can't lose getting him or Taylor.
Can Rasby cut it??? We'll just wait and see......

[Redskinfan28]

Well, I guess I disagree with those of you who say Udeze will make more of an impact than Winslow. Gibbs has said he will not draft based on need, which leads me to believe we will take the highest impact player on the board regardless of position. I think Gibbs is either waiting until June 1 to get DL help or he is comfortable with what he's got.

Finally, I don't think trading down is the answer. If Udeze is as good as some of you say and is being reported, then he will be gone by #10 at the latest. Thus, we can only trade down 3 or 4 spots and still get him. I don't think we would get an extra 2 or a 3 for that trade.

[JoeDaSchmoe]

Originally posted by SkinsKY
Worst case scenario here is that Udeze is the same as Upshaw/Daniels. Even here the positive is that Udeze gets better while the other two are plateaued or on their way down. Udeze dropped 70 lbs and got 16.5 sacks. I don't care if he played on a dominant defense, 16.5 sacks is a lot. Upshaw and Daniels are run stoppers for the most part.

Pros for Udeze:
Can beef back up if need be
Played DT so he has a good complement of rush moves already
Found quite a bit of speed after he lost weight.
I think Udeze is much better than Upshaw or Daniels personally.

Damn straight. Udeze has just as much of a chance as being Jevon Kearse as Jevon Kearse does by now.

[Redskinfan28]

Didn't Dave Ball for UCLA have more sacks than Udeze?

[SkinsKY]

I think he was tied for most in NCAA last year.

[straightupbeast]

with how many?

[Redskinfan28]

I guess Ball and Udeze both had 16.5. Since they play in the same conference, how come Ball doesn't get much praise? Will he be around in the 5th round?

[straightupbeast]

doesnt ha ve the UPSIDE

[skinfanatic]

i think winslow would open things up for coles, gardner and portis, however we need help on the d line. there are a lot of rumors about houston wanting to trade up. i think that would be great. we could get their 10th pick plus say a 2nd and or 3rd. with the 10th, we could get a guy like ukedeze, harris, will smith or wilfork. all of them i think would make an immediate impact on our extremely weak dline. im still ticked that the ole ball coach chose jacobs instead of mike doss. idiot.

[straightupbeast]

draft taylor

[Green-Is-Good]

Originally posted by JoeDaSchmoe
Sorry, I just threw up at the sight of our D-line starters.... What were you saying?

So funny, yet so true. The d-line needs an overhaul.

[skinswin'emALL]

Originally posted by NCskinsfanatic
LMAO, that was funny I almost spit pepsi all over my key board.

That's usually what happens when you put garbage (pepsi) in your mouth:D

[skinswin'emALL]

Originally posted by skinfanatic
i think winslow would open things up for coles, gardner and portis, however we need help on the d line. there are a lot of rumors about houston wanting to trade up. i think that would be great. we could get their 10th pick plus say a 2nd and or 3rd. with the 10th, we could get a guy like ukedeze, harris, will smith or wilfork. all of them i think would make an immediate impact on our extremely weak dline. im still ticked that the ole ball coach chose jacobs instead of mike doss. idiot.

Welcome to HR:)

[colkurtz]

Trade down - get a premium DL - Udeze / Smith / Harris and then in the second round draft Watson (Georgia TE).

DL is much better and you have a d*mn good TE to boot.

Both defense and offense get better.

[Emmanouel8]

Originally posted by skinswin
I want to bring Gardener back. We need good players on the D-line. Not just "bodies" to play the position.

I've been contemplating this one for awhile now. Gardener would bring us back to a top 10 defense by himself. He gets a great push and commands a double. His back is a ? and his attitude stinks but an incentive based contract will fix that. He was our player of the year 2 years ago.

If we go Winslow we have to seriously consider bringing Gardener back. Imagine our offense w/ Winslow a top 10 defense.

[VTSkins897]

there's so many things to consider and so many good arguments for who to draft.

-udeze really gonna make our line?
-s. taylor gonna make a huge difference in the secondary?
-will winslow take our offense to the next level?

the way i see it, we need safety help and DL help, whereas on O a TE like winslow might make gibbs' system run way better. all those threats could really wear out enemy defenses. maybe snyder will see what pops up after june 1st cuts like gardener did 2 yrs. ago (right?).

if the trading down becomes an option, and we can maybe pick up 2 reasonable men on the DL, then you do it; if those 2 impact players are sticking around with no great offers, take winslow and hope for the best in the scraps of FA...

so hard to judge i'll probably change my mind tomorrow!

[IowaSkinsFan]

If we don't get a pass rusher on the D line, we won't know how effective a player like K2 can be because he won't be on the field long enough to show it.

[Patrick]

Originally posted by Redskinfan28
I guess Ball and Udeze both had 16.5. Since they play in the same conference, how come Ball doesn't get much praise? Will he be around in the 5th round?


Ball played on a subpar team so he's not going to get any praise. His stock is all over the boards - anywhere from 2nd round to 4th round. Him and Jason Babbins(my darkhosre favorite) IMO are the DE steel of the draft. .... Not only that but couple either with Randy Stakes (UMD) and we'd have an instance improvement in our DL which would make a impact next year. AND trading down could accomplish it for us! ......... but then again, it doesn't appear we'll be drafting for need :confused:

[PennSkinsFan]

Originally posted by The Skinsinator
I have talked to several die hard UM fans. Most agreed that
Winslow is a rare talent and would be more promising then
even Taylor. He can block and catch. I am also somewhat in favor of getting him. We really can't lose getting him or Taylor.
Can Rasby cut it??? We'll just wait and see......

Let's remember one thing....Rasby can, will, and has proven he can cut it. Rasby has not been brought in here to be h-back, or a receiving TE. Rabsy was brought in to do what he does best, BLOCK. And he is one of the best Blocking TEs in the league right now.

So, the need for an h-back/catching TE is still there. I did see somewhere that they are looking at Mike Seller and Byron Chamberlain to be in the h-back role.

[Patrick]

Mark agree 100% about Rasby - in addition B.Chamberlain has proven he can play at a ProBowl level and would seem to me to be less of gamble the KWII. Right now between the players we have slotted for the TE position, there is not a major pressing need for another one.

[NamVet4]

Originally posted by Patrick
Mark agree 100% about Rasby - in addition B.Chamberlain has proven he can play at a ProBowl level and would seem to me to be less of gamble the KWII. Right now between the players we have slotted for the TE position, there is not a major pressing need for another one.

Yeah . . .What them 2 guys said !!! :D

[Spence]

Originally posted by Redskinfan28
Moreover, our D is not that bad right now.

DTs - Griffith, Nobel, Haley, Holsey
DEs - Upshaw, Daniels, Wynn Come again??????

[Killian's_Red]

Its been a long time since I posted, but with what the Dline is right now, we need more than Greg Williams coaching. Trade down the pick to Houston. Try to pick up a 3rd round pick with their 2nd. Draft Udeze or Smith as a DE, and in the 2nd get either Dockett or the DT out of Oregon. Might be a long shot, but i'm not sure that TE is high on the list right now. There are already I believe 2-3 TE's in camp now.

[Redskinfan28]

Hugh Douglas may be available in June and he could be willing to sign an incentive-laden contract.

http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/032304/jag_15155573.shtml

[Redskinfan28]

A pretty good summary of the Redskins draft prospectus:

The Redskins own two picks in the NFL draft — the No. 5 overall selection and a fifth-round choice. The team had a franchise-low three picks last year, surrendering the majority of the picks through free-agency compensation and trades. Reports out of Washington suggest that the team has its sights set on two Miami (Fla.) players — TE Kellen Winslow and FS Sean Taylor — with its first-round pick if it chooses not to trade down to gather more picks. At first it appeared that the team would rather keep the pick, seeing as how owner Daniel Snyder likes star power, but the need for a defensive end is great enough that the team would consider trading down, since it doesn’t view any DE prospect as being worthy of the No. 5 pick. Despite signing veteran Phillip Daniels, defensive end remains a bigger need than either free safety or tight end, but it will be tough to pass on two players who potentially could redefine the position.

www.profootballweekly.com

[skinswin'emALL]

Originally posted by Patrick
Mark agree 100% about Rasby - in addition B.Chamberlain has proven he can play at a ProBowl level and would seem to me to be less of gamble the KWII. Right now between the players we have slotted for the TE position, there is not a major pressing need for another one.

Remember also, that Gibbs LOVES to use 2 TE formations -- Many of Clint's and Doc's recections were with 2 TEs in on the play -- Gibbs likes to throw to the TE on Running downs

[27atwater]

Denver has like 12 dlineman now. maybe we can do another trade???

[Redskinfan28]

There is no such thing as a "sure thing", but I think everyone would agree that Winslow is the safer pick - he will likely be more dominant than Udeze at his position. Right?

[Patrick]

The ONLY sure thing about the draft is that it will be held in NY and there will be a bunch of Jets fans in the gallery that will boo every move thier team makes. ........... With that I disagree about Winlow being a "Safe" pick. I see him as much as a gamble as anyone selected that high AND thats another reason to trade down.

[garedskin]

Originally posted by skinswin'emALL
Remember also, that Gibbs LOVES to use 2 TE formations -- Many of Clint's and Doc's recections were with 2 TEs in on the play -- Gibbs likes to throw to the TE on Running downs

But the one TE that was the absolute best that we had back then was Don Warren probably the best BLOCKING TE ever. He played in all 4 of the SuperBowls and was a major part of the hogs. His one and only true stats are the 3 rings and SuperBowl Team Rushing yards records we set in SB17 (278) AND SB22 (280) ask Gibbs how important he was. I might be wrong but those records still stand as the top 2 ever in the SB. That is why to me the signing of Walter Rasby is a much bigger pick up for our offense than even drafting Winslow.

[Redskinfan28]

I can't see Gibbs trading down simply because he's scared the pick at #5 won't work out.

[Green-Is-Good]

I am fine with the Tight ends we have now. Rasby, Chamberlain, and Royal. TE is not even remotely as big a hole as d-line. WHY CAN'T WE LEARN FROM PAST EXPERIENCE!?!?!?!?!?