What to do with Hassleback

[BIGSEF3]

What are we supposed to do with this guy? He is good enough to be a number 2 QB, and even a potential starter. In fact, last year during one of the final games, both of the television announcers were talking about how we would see hassleback starting for some team in the near future. The signing of Burnell moves hassleback to no 3. What do we do with him? He deserves to start somewhere and we really dont need him.

[SkinTastic]

he's certainly good enough to be considered as potential #1, and not as a #3. I like the guy and think he should stick around as I can't see him taking any cap room. If he is surplus to our requirements, how much could we get for him in a trade?

[RedskinRyan]

i think we could get a 3rd rounder for him. what team could use a qb like him though? hopefully, we could pull a philly and trade our 3rd string qb for a 2nd rounder.

[Spence]

I don't see Hasselbeck as more than a capable #3 quarterback. Using him as your primary backup, I think, is inviting trouble. Your starter better be Brett Favre or Peyton Manning. I don't think we could get more than a very late round draft pick for him, if that.

[SkinsKY]

I'm not so sure we could get a third for him. I also haven't seen enough to say he's a potential number one. He would be a solid number two, but why not keep him groom him to back up Ramsey in a couple of years. I don't think anyone has seen enough to consider trading anything more than a 5th for him (although I would take that and sign a veteran as #3).

[RedskinRyan]

why do you think that spence? the only game that ever made me doubt him i wont mention because of how horrible it was. it might be too early to talk about how good hasselbeck might really be, but i wonder what he can do in a real offense.

[BIGSEF3]

what? you must be out of your mind. Hassleback played great last season when ramsey was injured. he played even better when you consider the terrible line he was behind. he showed as much endurance as ramsey in taking hits and proved to be pretty mobile as well. he was an accurate passer and made good decisions. he deserves to be better than 3rd string. with burnell and ramsey, we really dont need him. we should try and trade him and see what we can get.

[Spence]

why do you think that spence? the only game that ever made me doubt him i wont mention because of how horrible it was. it might be too early to talk about how good hasselbeck might really be, but i wonder what he can do in a real offense.He's got a weak arm and only average mobility, at best. How many games has he started and won in his career? One? Maybe two? Teams don't give up a lot for that. They can find someone just as good for a lot less than a third round pick. Maybe Hasselbeck will turn out to be a great quarterback, but there is absolutely no evidence of it right now. Right now he's an undrafted guy with a weak arm and little record to speak of.

[bosshog001]

I'm with Spence. He did prove that he is a pretty tough kid (with great taste in women, I might add). But he played with a very simplified playbook and doesn't have the tools to be a great starter. He kind of reminds me of Jason Garret, great football head and servicable skills.

He's already been cut by Seattle, Baltimore, Buffalo, and Philly twice.

I wish him well, but I'd rather take a flier on Hamden.

[SkinsKY]

what? you must be out of your mind. Hassleback played great last season when ramsey was injured. he played even better when you consider the terrible line he was behind. he showed as much endurance as ramsey in taking hits and proved to be pretty mobile as well. he was an accurate passer and made good decisions. he deserves to be better than 3rd string. with burnell and ramsey, we really dont need him. we should try and trade him and see what we can get.


Five games isn't enough to rule someone a starting quality QB unless they dominate, which Timmy never did.

[DIEHARD FAN]

I don't see Hasselbeck as more than a capable #3 quarterback. Using him as your primary backup, I think, is inviting trouble. Your starter better be Brett Favre or Peyton Manning. I don't think we could get more than a very late round draft pick for him, if that.

[REDMAN]

IMO, we should keep him. he is young and has some starting exp. Tim showed he has some skill for us or some other team to exploit.

[jsarno]

He deserves to start somewhere and we really dont need him.

No way does he deserve to start anywhere...not even Arizona! He'll be a great 3rd QB for us. (assuming Hamden is still as useless as he was when dumb dumb drafted him)
He won't get any significant interest from other teams, and he won't have any significant play for anyone. He's a very bad case scenerio player now.

[smoot]

three words, next Jake Delhomme

[DenverSkinsFan]

Definitely keep him, and hope that announcers have better things to talk about than his wife all game long. Keep Hamdan on the practice squad for another year, and see how he pans out. However some people here need a little dose of reality. Hasselbeck has not proven he can be a viable starter or backup. Spurrier admitted last year that they simplified the offense for him, and he has nowhere near the arm stength or potential of Ramsey. A.J. Feeley filled in for McNabb for half a season, didn't lose a game, and helped the Eagles get to the NFC championship game. That's why he's worth a 2nd round pick. Maybe we can say the same for Hasselbeck in a few years, but not now.

[bosshog001]

Two words

Babe Laufenberg

[RedskinRyan]

Five games isn't enough to rule someone a starting quality QB unless they dominate, which Timmy never did.

aj started 4/5 games for philly against weak team, and lost to the only decent one(giants), but the eagles still got a 2nd round pick for him. rating potential isnt something that i can do, but i think that hasselbeck could be a starter in a few years, if he leaves washington to be a backup elsewhere.

[jsarno]

what? you must be out of your mind. Hassleback played great last season when ramsey was injured. he played even better when you consider the terrible line he was behind. he showed as much endurance as ramsey in taking hits and proved to be pretty mobile as well. he was an accurate passer and made good decisions. he deserves to be better than 3rd string. with burnell and ramsey, we really dont need him. we should try and trade him and see what we can get.

GREAT????
First off, the line played MUCH MUCH better in the latter part of the season. Second, the man threw for a killer Comp. % of only 53.7%! He threw 7 ints and had only 5 td's in 6 full games. (that's only 165 yards per game averaging 29 attempts per game) And how about that Dallas game? Only 56 yards on 26 attempts, and 4 int's! (no tds) So the only two games that could make you think he was a capable QB is the Giants game in week 14 (13-19 154 yards, 2 tds) and Chicago week 16 (16-25 209 yards, 2 tds). Chicago's D was ranked 22nd, and the Giants D was ranked 29th. Thank goodness he was able to play decent vs terrible teams.
Just in case you didn't notice, we took a shot on him because we had nothing else available. Every other team had just as many shots at this kid and turned him down. Pretty much because he is unimpressive.

[jsarno]

three words, next Jake Delhomme

You forgot a question mark after that sentence...because I KNOW you aren't comparing Timmy to Jake.
In Jakes first starting stint, he took a team to the superbowl, how did timmy fair?

[redskinmwt]

No way does he deserve to start anywhere...not even Arizona! He'll be a great 3rd QB for us. (assuming Hamden is still as useless as he was when dumb dumb drafted him)
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did we draft hamdan or sign him as an undrafted rookie? is he gonna be around anyway...i know he's in nfl europe now but are the skins gonna keep him around? practice squad...again??

:dalassuk:

[jsarno]

did we draft hamdan or sign him as an undrafted rookie? is he gonna be around anyway...i know he's in nfl europe now but are the skins gonna keep him around? practice squad...again??

:dalassuk:

If I remember correctly we drafted him with our 7th round pick. You might be thinking of Banks (I think that was his name) that we signed as an undrafted FA, then we cut him. Spurrier thought this kid (hamden) had talent and said he thought he could mold him. Since SPurrier said it, I believe the complete opposite. Spurrier had NO CLUE what to do in the pros and I don't think he had one clue on how to graze a successful NFL QB. Therefore I think Hamden should go to the practice squad, or given a release.

[redskinmwt]

jsarno

you are right...it was banks...thanks

sorry, that whole spurrier era is becoming just a blur in my mind

:dalassuk:

[PennSkinsFan]

He has a relatively weak arm, making him a NO FIT in the Gibbs system. I suspect our opening day QBs will be Mark Brunell, Patrick Ramsey, and Gibran Hamdan.

[SkinsCT]

For some reason, Redskins fans are split into two distinct groups: those who think Hasselbeck played great and those who know that he did not play well and has little to no future in DC.

[jsarno]

jsarno

you are right...it was banks...thanks

sorry, that whole spurrier era is becoming just a blur in my mind

:dalassuk:

I understand...we just need to hope that the Spurrier era becomes a forgetful one and soon!

[jsarno]

For some reason, Redskins fans are split into two distinct groups: those who think Hasselbeck played great and those who know that he did not play well and has little to no future in DC.

You're right...I wonder how big that split is? 50/50 or much worse?

[Spence]

Look, I'm not knocking the guy. I like Hass. He's worked very hard to make his way into an NFL that didn't want him around. I think he belongs in the league. As a third-string quarterback. If I could get any sort of draft choice for him I would trade him immediately.

[bosshog001]

I do give Hass alot of credit. He was able to call signals and not have half of the line jump offsides. Maybe it was the slimmed down playbook, maybe it was the line gelling, or maybe he was just plain better at it than Ramsey.

[Redskin006]

I liked Hasselbeck and his work ethic. He did not get rewarded for how hard he worked. Look how he did in the miami game, we were up by 10, but of course our defense and special teams blew it. The other games he did well, except for dallas, and he was always trying. IF our defense could of at least stopped the opposing offense in all of the games that he started you would have seen how good, not great of a starter he was. WE should keep him and at some time during the year see how he plays in Gibbs system. As for Hamdan, I like him and if Gibbs goes as far as having a fourth string QB, I say keep him, otherwise he is practice squad.

[Patrick]

TH poses a interesting problem. As far as I'm concern, he'll never be anymore than a backup BUT a good #2 (which I don't think is a bad thing). And that is something ever team needs. Problem with us is that we don't need a #2 at the #3 spot. I would like to see him go to another team where he'd get some playing time.

[Brokenstriker]

He's got a weak arm and only average mobility, at best. How many games has he started and won in his career? One? Maybe two? Teams don't give up a lot for that. They can find someone just as good for a lot less than a third round pick. Maybe Hasselbeck will turn out to be a great quarterback, but there is absolutely no evidence of it right now. Right now he's an undrafted guy with a weak arm and little record to speak of.

I'm not sure I would argue with your assessment ... but I will point out that if Hasselbeck's mobility is only average at best ... the Ramsey's mobility is pitiful. Hasselbeck sensed the pocket and moved ... Ramsey, brave soul that he is, does his tackling dummy impersonation waiting for the right moment to throw the ball. I's have given Hasselbeck more credit for mobility ... but still not sure he's one of the 32 best first choice candidate at QB. But I did think he did a fair job last year ... except for the Dallas game

[BIGSEF3]

exactly what i was trying to say. he DESERVES to play some football. his arm is not as strong as ramsey's, but really, whose arm is? he's also versatile. he CAUGHT that pass from rod gardner for a touchdown in whatever game that was, but the stupid ref's ruled it an incompletion. on a side note, that is the ONE AND ONLY reason i would argue we keep gardner. he can throw well and is great in trick plays.

anyway, i think we could get something from hassleback from a team like the stealers.

[BIGSEF3]

hadman sucks. i say we just cut him, plain and simple. he's not worth whatever cap space he takes up.

[Brokenstriker]

too easy ... in a Gibbs era ... one word

CLIPBOARD

he's a great guy
he's athletic
he's smart ... he had Spurrier's playbook down in nothing flat
he's a gamer ... 2 TD's and was robbed on the 3rd
he won games in genuine fer' real NFL competition
he's an accurate passer

even if he doesn't have a cannon ... you can't have 3 strong arm viable starting quality QBs on a roster these days (if ever) ... the guy is PERFECT for a back up ... smart ... reliable ... accurate ... and those all get better with time

[Spence]

I'm not sure I would argue with your assessment ... but I will point out that if Hasselbeck's mobility is only average at best ... the Ramsey's mobility is pitiful.Yes, Ramsey's mobility is pretty pitiful. And yes, Hass is average at best. His straight-line foot speed is no better than Ramsey's but he does seem a bit more nimble in the ankles and a bit more willing to get out of the pocket.

[JoeDaSchmoe]

I'd rather have Hamden than Hass. We ain't running a West Coast offense here.

[SkinsKY]

For some reason, Redskins fans are split into two distinct groups: those who think Hasselbeck played great and those who know that he did not play well and has little to no future in DC.

It is not one or the other. I think Hass played very well, considering all things. I just don't think he has enough game time logged to make a good judgement. I think he will do very well for an undrafted player, but I think we may be overstating how other teams would view his worth.

[badpigs442]

He has shown he can step in and play in a crunch. Maybe some team will offer up a trade when they have a player go down during the season.

[funnyperson1]

I was also impressed with how quickly he learned the playbook.

Remember how he was tearing down Miami in that first half?

[badpigs442]

His skills make for a nice back up. He doesn't seem to have the swagger to carry a team, but he could give a team a solid #2.

[ShaggySkins]

Keep him as a 3rd stringer. He's not going to earn a starting job anywhere. If a team really wants to offer him a decent contract he can leave. As it is Gibbs may decide to keep Hamden around as a cheaper alternative.

[Axegrinder]

I'm pretty much in agreement with Spence and everyone else who believes he's nothing more than a good 3rd string QB.However,I have to point out that like Eli Manning,he has football genes.His dad played in N.E. and for N.Y.G..
His brother,as we know starts for the Seahawks.It took Matt Hasselback a few seasons to grow into being a good QB.Maybe the same holds true for Tim.Let's hold on to him and see if he develops.

[JoeDaSchmoe]

Matt Hasselbeck is a West Coast QB. So is Tim. If you want to keep him for five years just in case he might turn out to be a starting West-Coaster and assume we'll bring in that type of offense after Gibbs, fine. But that seems a bit much.

[Jon Creveling]

Think he did an outstanding job when you consider the situation at the time. On the brightside he probably did as good as Rob Johnson would have done. At the same time quickly grew tired of him and realy missed our Sackfifice Ram.

[twobits]

keep him as a #3 her has very little value on the open market.he did very good by us last year ,we may need him again.(sh-- happens) :p

[redwolf1218]

we already have a young guy and an old guy, he's in the middle. he can hold a clipboard and be the 3rd stinger, unless someone better comes along, he might as well be it. if everyone got hurt and he had to go in the game, i would have confidence in him.

[bosshog001]

All depends on Hamden. Certainly don't need to spend money or draft picks for anybody else.

[bigcmr]

Right now he is a third string QB. If we could get anything for him I would trade him.

[IowaSkinsFan]

He should be # 3 with Hamdan going to the practice squad.

[BigPlayJay]

I think Hassleback right now is a thrid string quarterback unless it's on a real bad team (see Redskins 2003). He played decent in short stretches last year but lets not get too carried away guys, he just looked ok.

If he can stick around for a while he may eventually be a solid # 2 QB, but if he is your primary backup right now, as we saw last year, you are in trouble!

[BIGSEF3]

we have no reason to keep hadman and hassleback. its very rare that the third string QB gets any playing time at all. I say we see if hassleback has any trade value at all, and get rid of him. nothing personal. just business