A Trade Idea

[smoot]

instead of trading Rod Gardner for a 3rd round draft pick, why not try and go straight up for some dt help in either brenson buckner or al wallace from the carolina panthers, either of which are capable of putting up double digit sack seasons, thoughts?

[ConradCountry]

They are both old ad neither has more then 2 years left in the tank. I don't think any of the teams with WR needs will deal a young d-linemen and that is what we need. The Skins should hold out fo a 2nd from someone and grab one of the 2nd tier d-lineman. I was thinking ship him to San Fran for their 2nd{48}.

This gives us the option of some good players.

DT Marcus Tubbs, is the big run stuffer that we need to rotate with Noble but he may be gone by this pick.

DE Antwan Odom, a big elite pass rusher that in all likelihood will be gone by this pick.

DE Marquise Hill, a monster, not terribly fast but I don't care how he gets to the QB if he wants to run around the OT orover him it all ends in the same place.

[Patrick]

That would be OK but you know - I think we've got enough vets in here - It's time to start putting some younger player (thinking future) in too AND in a deep draft this would be a good year to do it.

[RedskinRyan]

i dont san fran will give up a pick like that. this is a reciever deep draft, and at the 48th pick you can still get a good 1st round caliber reciever. i think if we get a 2nd rounder, it is most likely to come from baltimore. im sure billick will want more experienced recievers to go with a 2nd year quarterback.

[jsarno]

I don't think we should trade Gardner for even a second rounder. We took him in the first round, and we deserve to get good compensation. He just might turn out to be a valuable reciever, we shouldn't give up on him just yet. If we could get that young DT, then yes, do the deal. But we're taking a hit for a 3rd rounder. Gibbs has worked more magic with less.

[REDMAN]

I don't think we should trade Gardner for even a second rounder. We took him in the first round, and we deserve to get good compensation. He just might turn out to be a valuable reciever, we shouldn't give up on him just yet. If we could get that young DT, then yes, do the deal. But we're taking a hit for a 3rd rounder. Gibbs has worked more magic with less.

totally agree!

[JoeDaSchmoe]

They are both old ad neither has more then 2 years left in the tank.

Erm.... Al Wallace is 26. I thought he'd be an excellent pickup before the Panthers resigned him.

[PainterBoy]

Buckner no! Al Wallace might be okay, but he exceled because he was fresh backing up Rucker and Peppers. I'm not sure he would excel as an everydown DE. I could be wrong. I would want Carolina to toss in a late pick if we give up Gardner for Wallace.

[bigcmr]

i really think the SF trade of a 3rd and 7th is fair at this point.

[NCskinsfanatic]

i really think the SF trade of a 3rd and 7th is fair at this point.
I tend to agree .....its not what we want for him but what we can get IMO.

[Dexter72]

I agree with the original post, I think they could get the most value dealing him straight up for a DL. A 3rd-Rounder is a crap shoot, and I don't think we are a team that wants to sit and wait for a kid to develop -- we have most of the pieces in place now.

[IowaSkinsFan]

instead of trading Rod Gardner for a 3rd round draft pick, why not try and go straight up for some dt help in either brenson buckner or al wallace from the carolina panthers, either of which are capable of putting up double digit sack seasons, thoughts?

After watching Carolina's receivers in the super bowl, I am hard pressed to see why they would trade a starting DT for a WR who would be no more than a number 3 WR in Carolina.

[Redskinfan28]

I'm not sure we can be picky in terms of the DL. We need to take any upgrade we can get. Face it, there isn't anyone out there that would be a major upgrade from what we have now, and that includes anyone we take in the draft.

Our DL is a concern now and will be in August, regardless of what happens in between.

[smoot]

After watching Carolina's receivers in the super bowl, I am hard pressed to see why they would trade a starting DT for a WR who would be no more than a number 3 WR in Carolina.

the only reciever they have now is steve smith, muhammed is retiring and prohl is like 62, besides wallace isnt a starter

[jsarno]

I'm not sure we can be picky in terms of the DL. We need to take any upgrade we can get. Face it, there isn't anyone out there that would be a major upgrade from what we have now, and that includes anyone we take in the draft.

Our DL is a concern now and will be in August, regardless of what happens in between.

Fact is we shouldn't be in a rush to let go of a guy that is still developing. Most people here thought he was an all out stud 2 years ago. Last year he had a bad year, but so didn't the entire offense. The last two years we've had a high school equivelant offense. Gibbs works magic with players like Gardner. I know, I know, I was totally for trading him in the Spurrier era. That's because I firmly believed that in that system he was maxed out. We have an entirely new system with a coach known for getting every ounce of talent out of a player. We should not be so hasty.
If we trade him and he has a 1400 yard season with 10 tds, we'll all be kicking ourselves! He's a great compliment to our ace Coles. Let Gibbs do his magic before we're ready to sell him down the river for a song and a dance.
I don't know about you guys, but Coles / Gardner seems comparable to Clark / Monk on paper as long as Gardner can get back to being reliable. I'm sure Gibbs will find a suitable Ricky Sanders clone whether is be McCants or Thrash or Jacobs.

[marmstrong]

Fact is we shouldn't be in a rush to let go of a guy that is still developing. Most people here thought he was an all out stud 2 years ago. Last year he had a bad year, but so didn't the entire offense. The last two years we've had a high school equivelant offense. Gibbs works magic with players like Gardner. I know, I know, I was totally for trading him in the Spurrier era. That's because I firmly believed that in that system he was maxed out. We have an entirely new system with a coach known for getting every ounce of talent out of a player. We should not be so hasty.
If we trade him and he has a 1400 yard season with 10 tds, we'll all be kicking ourselves! He's a great compliment to our ace Coles. Let Gibbs do his magic before we're ready to sell him down the river for a song and a dance.
I don't know about you guys, but Coles / Gardner seems comparable to Clark / Monk on paper as long as Gardner can get back to being reliable. I'm sure Gibbs will find a suitable Ricky Sanders clone whether is be McCants or Thrash or Jacobs.


I agree, DMC is our Ricky Sanders. Thrash/Jacobs could be good role players.

[smoak]

I tend to agree .....its not what we want for him but what we can get IMO.

but my point is that there is no reason to give him up. he doesn't have a big cap number, and with a little work he could be an important possession WR. sorta like monk, but i am NOT comparing them.

[redwolf1218]

while rod gardners contract numbers make him valuable to us, that is the same thing that makes him valuable in a trade. i'll be happy if we keep him and we better get a lot for him in a trade to make it worth letting him go. i just dont know how many receivers we can keep on the roster. i like having gardner backed up by dmac and cloman (slot guys, possession guys), coles backed up by taylor and thrash (speed guys). dmac comes in as the 3rd receiver. i think he could beat most teams 3rd corner. if gardner is gone, that will all change.

[colkurtz]

Gardner is a win-win. He either gets us a second rounder trade or he stays and competes at #2 or #3 in the WR derby. He has no excuses this year. Either he beats out McCants or Jacobs AND produces on the field, or he will be traded.

He will have a good QB, a solid OLine to give the QB time, a great #1 receiver to get the main coverage, an excellent running game and outstanding coaches. All he can do is get open and catch it (if he can). I think he will lose out this year,

Hail!
:bangdesk:

[Skins57]

I can not see us resigning Rod if he stays this season, so we might as well get something for him and let DMC be hte #2 guy

[smoak]

i think gardner is under contract for two more years right? i would definitely jump at a solid 2nd round pick (or higher), but i don't see us getting that. maybe if we take a DE in the 1st round, we could still get depth at S or TE in the 2nd...

my only point is that we shouldn't give him away for a 4th-6th rounder...

[Beast56Redskin]

honestly, the more i think about it, the more i think that gardner is over-rated. from what i saw last season, he must have had bricks for hands. i think dmac is a mre talented reciever than gardner is and i hope gardner is traded. dmac deserves the opportunity to shine, and he will. plus, the defensive line is in such bad shape (noble and griffin-injuries or injury prone, daniels,wynn-not a pass rush) that i think a draft pick or quality end would be much more valuable on this team that has a number of good or better than average recievers (coles, dmac, thrash, jacobs, etc.)

[redwolf1218]

sometimes with a young guy you see flashes of greatness, you know what i mean? i've seen it with dmac, the tough acrobatic catches, shaking off tackles to get extra yards, the touchdown catches, where you kind of go whoa! where'd that come from...and you think he's just going to get better and better... but with gardner, in all these years, i just cant recall ever thinking that. cant recall thinking i just saw any flashes of greatness with him. he's steady, not bad, not great.

[IndianBaller27]

im just readin this now... i kno im kinda late, but o well.... im with u smoot

[smoak]

i am a huge DMC fan, and i hope he wins the #2 job this season. i just don't like giving up on players and getting nothing in return. it will be interesting to see this play out.

[garedskin]

Well I think we would get more out of gardner by letting him suit up in a redskin uniform and throwing the damn football at him. To hell with getting more draft picks. He can play at this level, lets see how he does in Gibbs system before we unload him for another unproven player. I am starting to think these are fantasy football moves people are coming up with. Have they played some where to determine that Gibbs team is in such dire straights? Because I sure missed it if they have. :smash:

[DPHoo]

When has Gardner been reliable? Bruce called him 50/50 because he dropped half the balls thrown to him.