Peter King says Samuels and a 5th rounder

[Redskinfan28]

to the Raiders for the #2? I don't think so, but who knows.

http://www.thehogs.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3893&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

[SkinsCT]

Don't get it, we would be paying Gallery just as much as Samuels and he is right now not as good. If we were going to make this trade we should have looked at LT in FA, like a Derrick Deese, who went to TB for pennies compared to what Samuels and Gallery will make in 2004. Then we could have taken the #2 and gone with either one of the Canes or traded down and accumulate more picks in addition to our 5th overall pick. Can't see this one going down.

[ShaggySkins]

I really think that is a rumor. But I REALLY like Gallary. I think he's going to be absolutely tremendous and I think Samuels has already peaked. If this would happen I'd be all for it provided it was a 5th rounder and not the 5th pick. But we need to make sure we have cap room.

[Axegrinder]

I'd like to be a fly on the wall in the coaches office at RedskinsPark.

[natgbz]

Why? Samuels is decent, and if we pick up Gallery we just replace one guy with another. I suppose we could trade down from 2 with a little more leverage, but then we miss out on Gallery, or we get Gallery and can't trade down to aid the dline. I don't get this one, other than the difficulties with Samuels restucturing, but still, seems a little hokey. And where's a source on this?

[TexSkin]

Where is the link showing Petr Kings is stating this? That link was to another Skins board.

[garedskin]

I will believe it if it happens. Samuels is better than Gallery. So what would be the point of this trade? Does not add up.

[CarMike]

Samuals and a 5th rounder for the Raiders #2? Not a chance in....you know where.

That would soooo stupid for the #2 overall pick for the Raiders to make.

[badpigs442]

Never gonna happen. Besides the fact I don't think we could afford it, that wouldn't be the trade IMO. We would probably be picking up their 2nd rounder. Samuels had a rough go of it last year.

[JoeDaSchmoe]

So we trade a #3 overall pick and fifth-rounder for a #2 overall pick at the same exact position?

No thanks.

[Jon Creveling]

Nobody on this board has been more down or badmouthed Chris more than myself, but this would be insane for the Raiders, this makes no sense at all. Why would the Raiders be that worried about a tackle when they seemingly don't have a quarterback or reciever younger than 45??? If you're the Raiders why not just sign the kid Gallery if it's that bad? Don't know why anyone either would say the highly touted Gallery is not as good as Chris? Not when unknown fink Alex Sulfsted played at the same level when he replaced him and Brandon Winey blew him away! Still this makes little to no sense from the Raiders point of view. THE BRANDON WINEY CULT LIVES!

[bosshog001]

Kind of a wash, but we have to pay two signing bonuses. No thanks.

[Yudolindo]

We have a pro bowl left tackle…so we trade him to take a guy who has never played a snap in the NFL? Why? Anyways, I am not sure we could trade him without hosing our cap.

[hail2skins]

It's Peter King, I won't even read it.

[SusQhnnaSkin]

I know #60 needs somebody to light a fire under his ass, but trading up to get Gallery makes no sence. Nothing against Gallery, but this is not what the team needs

[SkinsKY]

Bugel likes Samuels. It makes no sense to pull that trade to fill the same position we traded away.

[joethefan]

Who said we would take gallery anyway with the number 2 pick....or even go after him...Samuels needs to restructure. Bottom line..........

[akhhorus]

I would do this deal if it is Samuels and a 5th Rounder for the #2 overall pick. But who says the Skins are going after Gallery? Whiney played real well when he filled in for Samuels, and how about Winslow II and Taylor? Or how about Tommie Harris and Taylor? Or draft Sean Taylor and trade the other pick down for more picks.

[warpath]

I would do this deal if it is Samuels and a 5th Rounder for the #2 overall pick. But who says the Skins are going after Gallery? Whiney played real well when he filled in for Samuels, and how about Winslow II and Taylor? Or how about Tommie Harris and Taylor? Or draft Sean Taylor and trade the other pick down for more picks.

exactly, we could trade down and really help our d-line. If we did this just to take Gallery it would make no sense. I think everyone is looking at this as Samuels and the 5th rounder for Gallery. I look at it as getting much needed help for our d-line by trading down and getting more picks.

[WinslowRedskin]

Winey is solid. I like the guy, and Samuels is an expensive bench warmer as he misses many games. Maybe we want Friendman AND Raymer to both play, with Raymer as the C and Friedman as a T. Should this happen, here's what I say we do:
Trade the #2 pick to Cleveland (they LOVE Gallery) for either their first rounder + second rounder or first + third
Draft Taylor at #5, draft Udeze or Harris (BOTH will be there come Cleveland's pick!) at #7, take more DL in the second/third, get an O-Tackle or a RB in the 6th

That will never happen if we somehow got BOTH Taylor and a stud DL but stranger things have happened. But hey, it's 2 weeks before the draft. I knew this type of stuff would come up.

[VTSkins897]

i have a feeling all of our o-line will be surprisingly (or maybe not surprisingly) better under the gibbs organization. look for samuels to step it up. i mean come on the guy is still pretty young. gallery would be the last person i'd expect the 'skins to draft.

[GolfFreak]

What is it going to take for Samuels to restructure his deal? Granted he had an off year, but he was pretty good his first few years. Not that I think he should be reward for his play last year, but we can just keep letting guys walk away. And don't let his agent decide everything!!!

[Redgull80]

A guy they are really high on is Dockery!! I think he could be a star in the league in a couple years.

[punkin]

Samuels is an expensive bench warmer as he misses many games.yeah he missed a whole 4 games in 4 years:confused:

[sammy]

If we trade Samuels we will have to eat his signing bonus in one year. This would make our salary cap situation even worse this year. Then we draft gallery with his signing bonus I don’t know how we can afford this. Sure we can cut some people but how many, we need backups.

[suppitty]

do this immediately if its on the table. chris samuels is the most overrated o-lineman in the nfl who hasnt played well in 2 or 3 years. i dont care if the schemes were bad, he still couldnt block anybody. then u got this guy named gallery who has a chance to be as good as john ogden (when ogden retires he should be recognized as the best tackle in nfl history).

[Booser]

still, what's the point? We should use the draft to fill a position of need. Right now OFFENSIVE tackle is not a need. And, if we didn't draft Gallery at #2, who would we be moving up for that we couldn't get at #5?

[NCskinsfanatic]

I think Sameuls and ramsey have the same agent and he's probably still POed about the Bruenell deal and telling Chris not to restructure.I mean he has an astronomical figure this year. If Im not mistaken he counts like between 7-8 milllion on our cap this year. Did anyone see Winey play almost as good last year besides me? I mean SS's system blew and Samuels didnt seem to like or understand it.That didnt stop an undrafted FA from playing just as well as him in it though. Dont get me wrong Winey is no Samuels, but Chris should try to help the team while also earning his money on the field.

[IowaSkinsFan]

to the Raiders for the #2? I don't think so, but who knows.

http://www.thehogs.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3893&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Well, the Post did say that team officials started talking to Gallery today.

[bigcmr]

I don't see this happening
1.The Raiders won't go for that.
2.It would cost us an arm and a leg.(having a 2nd and 5th overall)
3.The cap hit is way too big.

I have never been a Peter King fan but are u sure he said this? One thing is for sure Samuels needs to restucture. If his agent is mad at the Redskins FO he should not make it Samuels problem. Samuels can make way more money in the long run if he restructures.

[sdredskinsfan]

Where's the LINK to Peter King's statements?

[dogfight6]

I would jump for joy at this trade. Bugle wants to rebuild the hogs of old and Samuals would never fit in. Make the trade then trade down with the Pats with the #5 and add Jake Grove and the d-lineman their bounses will be much smaller.

[Patrick]

I agree with those who feel this would make little to no sense and really don't thinks it's going to materialize .......... BUT Samuel and Gardner for thier first & thrid round pick (or some combination for the two) would not surprise me...... It would sure give the Skins the potenial of rolling a #2 and #5 into alot of picks that would fill many needs.

[IowaSkinsFan]

I would jump for joy at this trade. Bugle wants to rebuild the hogs of old and Samuals would never fit in. Make the trade then trade down with the Pats with the #5 and add Jake Grove and the d-lineman their bounses will be much smaller.

Why do we want to draft Jake Grove when we have 5 centers on the roster now, 3 of which are likely to make the final cut?

I also think that the best of Samuels is yet to come with Bugel in town.

[Jon Creveling]

I semi agree with Dog, should be very interesting if they do in fact move Chris via draftday trade! Have to wonder if Bugels kind words are a cover-up. Cap-$ aside it wouldn't surprise me if Joe sized him up as movable, we'll see if any moves are made. Brought this up a month ago but you have to remember Bugel carries alot of weight with Gibbs and if he realy wants Gallery??? What happens then??? Won't bitch and moan again about Chris,(I know half my posts do) but if other teams are interested in him and come up with good offers, they may jump on it ( other offers, other teams, this Raider rumor is borderline crazy) it may happen. Still have no faith that Chris will rebound even with Bugel. Playing hardball with the team over money this offseason makes little sense if you are Chris, All they have to do is insert a gametape of Brandons outstanding play!!! THE BRANDON WINEY CULT LIVES!

[jtpop]

I don't see this happening, not sure what Peter is smoking, because he usually has some valid points. Makes absolutely no sense.

[Va.SkinFan]

Anything could happen. I hear the Giants may trade up to #1 and take SD pick. The Giants want Manning.

[SkinsKY]

Chris should try to help the team while also earning his money on the field.

Samuels has already restructured once, so he has shown he's willing to help the team. For all who don't think schemes factor into a lineman's ability to block, let's line five of you up, send 6-7 people to get by you and not give you a plan to stop them. Give him another year. Let Bugel work with him and you'll see improvement. I'm not sure why we seem to be so quick to dish our own players because they had a bad year (or even two), despite having been Pro Bowl calibur prior. I guess with Dan Snyder at the helm, attitude reflects leadership.

[RedskinRyan]

well, maybe we would get the 2nd pick and not use it on gallery. there are still tackles in free agency, plus we have brandon winey. we could use the pick on sean taylor or winslow and then trade down from the 5th and use that pick on a DT. i would LOVE that.

[REDMAN]

This trade makes no sense for the Raiders. Wishful thinking is all it amounts to.

[sammy]

If we don’t want Samuels why would the Raiders want him? Why wouldn’t they just take Gallery them selves if he is so much better than Samuels??

I don’t think this will happen. Makes no sense.

[Monk81]

makes no sense it wouldn't help us this season at all we are still suspect on the D line and s and TE

[hail2skins]

Samuels has already restructured once, so he has shown he's willing to help the team. For all who don't think schemes factor into a lineman's ability to block, let's line five of you up, send 6-7 people to get by you and not give you a plan to stop them. Give him another year. Let Bugel work with him and you'll see improvement. I'm not sure why we seem to be so quick to dish our own players because they had a bad year (or even two), despite having been Pro Bowl calibur prior. I guess with Dan Snyder at the helm, attitude reflects leadership.

Good post SkinsKY. Samuals played well until Spurrier took over. That tells me the schemes were bad. Plus Buges says he likes him alot so I take him for his word.

[RichardBradley]

The Raders would want Samules because Norv was our coach when we drafted him and he knows how good he is when coached correctly.

[hail2skins]

The Raders would want Samules because Norv was our coach when we drafted him and he knows how good he is when coached correctly.

I'm glad someone else remembers he played well before "Krusty". If you don't know Krusty, check out the latest Funky Take.

[TexSkin]

I still have yet to see a link that shows Peter King saying this. Anyone?

[BIGSEF3]

with the trade idea with the raiders, i dont think we would keep the #2 pick. i think we would then trade the #2 pick to another team for a lower first round pick and a second round pick. that would give us two first round picks, a second, and a sixth. it sounds like a great idea if it would be feasible. i can really see us ending up with atleast 5 picks on draft day if the skins play their cards right.

[Skins57]

I say we stick with Samuels and get him to redo his contract and go from there

[openallnight]

I can't see why the Raiders would possibly make this trade. Not unless we threw a wide receiver into the mix. I'd jump all over it in a heartbeat. Just imagine what we could do w/ a #2 and a #5. We could trade down and turn these into at least 4-5 1st day picks. And possibly a few 2nd day picks. We could get 2 lineman, 1 OT, 1 TE and 1 Safety that could be starters come Sep! Man this draft could turn out to be interesting after all.

[colkurtz]

Samuels is a first-round pick playing at a very modest level. He's had two pretty average seasons in a row. He is worth a fraction of the $9 mill we are paying him.

Gallery is a franchise player who could anchor his team's Oline at a Pro Bowl level for a decade. So why would the Raiders want this trade?

:smash:

[ShaggySkins]

Gallery is a franchise player who could anchor his team's Oline at a Pro Bowl level for a decade.

That is the same thing we said about Samuels when he was drafted. Nothing is a sure thing.

[sdredskinsfan]

We're still waiting for the LINK............................ :bangdesk:

[colkurtz]

That is the same thing we said about Samuels when he was drafted. Nothing is a sure thing.

You're so right - but hope springs eternal for these Front Office's. They always think that "this is the one". Yet, most draft picks in the 1st and 2nd are failures. Still, if the draft picks do work out they are cheap labor for a few years.

I hope Samuels has a really good season - bit he is definetly going to have to re-structure (a lot) to stay as a Redskin into the 2005 season.

[CamLwalk]

I dunno....I'm hopin' they stay put and get an impact player with the 5. But however it turns out, I have complete faith in Gibbs.

[IowaSkinsFan]

Drafting Gallery won't improve the team. It would simply be replacing 1 pro bowler with a potential pro bowler. Gallery is not a sure thing. I would rather take my chances with Samuels under Bugel than Gallery. And I'm from Iowa. I like Gallery. But I like the Skins more and I do not think this is a good move. I don't seriously believe Bugel is advocating this move.