2004 NFL Draft

[PennSkinsFan]

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[Goldeneye]

Im in there already! Hope we can get a big room going

[hail2skins]

just chatted with Goldeneye in the chatroom. Have fun folks.

[TexSkin]

1 hour till the draft...almost as excited as gameday...almost

[NCskinsfanatic]

Thanks for the link Im signed up and ready to go

[Spence]

01. San Diego Chargers: QB Eli Manning, Ole Miss *
02. Oakland Raiders: OT Robert Gallery, Iowa
03. Arizona Cardinals: WR Larry Fitzgerald, Pittsburgh
04. New York Giants: QB Phillip Rivers, North Carolina State *
05. Washington Redskins: S Sean Taylor, Miami
06. Cleveland Browns: TE Kellen Winslow, Miami **
07. Detroit Lions: WR Roy Williams, Texas **
08. Atlanta Falcons: CB/RS DeAngelo Hall, Virginia Tech
09. Jacksonville Jaguars: WR Reggie Williams, Washington
10. Houston Texans: CB Dunta Robinson, South Carolina
11. Pittsburgh Steelers:QB Ben Roethlisberger, Miami [Ohio]
12. New York Jets: LB John Vilma, Miami
13. Buffalo Bills: WR Lee Evans, Wisconsin
14. Chicago Bears: DT Tommie Harris, Oklahoma
15. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: WR Michael Clayton, LSU
16. Philadelphia Eagles: OT Shawn Andrews, Arkansas +
17. Denver Broncos: LB DJ Williams, Miami #
18. New Orleans Saints: DE Will SMith, Ohio State
19. Miami Dolphins: OG Vernon Carey, Miami ##
20. Minnesota Vikings: DE Kenichi Udeze, USC ##
21. New England Patriots: DT Vince Wilfork, Miami
22. Buffalo Bills: QB J.P. Losman, Tulane ***
23. Seattle Seahawks: DT Marcus Tubbs, Texas
24. St. Louis Rams: TB Steven Jackson, Oregon #@
25. Green Bay Packers: CB Ahmad Carroll, Arkansas
26. Cincinnati Bengals: TB Chris Perry, Michigan @
27. Houston Texans: DE Jason Babin, Western Michigan ^^
28. Carolina Panthers: CB Chris Gamble, Ohio State +&&
29. Atlanta Falcons: WR Michael Jenkins, Ohio State xx
30. Detroit Lions: TB Kevin Jones, VA Tech yy
31. San Francisco 49ers: WR Rashaun Woods, Oklahoma State &&
32. New England Patriots: TE Ben Watson, Georgia

* Traded to New York Giants for Phillip Rivers, a 2004 3rd round pick, first and fifth round picks in 2005.

** 6th pick traded by Detroit to Cleveland in exchange for the 7th pick +.

** 7th pick+ traded by Cleveland to Detroit for 6th pick.

+ 16th pick traded by 49ers to Philadelphia in exchange for the 28th overall pick and Philadelphia's 2nd round pick.

# 17th pick traded by Bengals to Broncos for 24th overall pick and more.

## 19th pick traded by Vikings to Dolphins for 20th overall pick and Miami's 4th round pick.

*** 22nd pick traded by Cowboys to Bills for a 2nd round and 5th round in 2004 and a 1st round pick in 2005.

#@ Bengals traded the 24th pick, which they obtained from the Broncos, to the St. Louis Rams, in exchange for the 26th overall pick and more.

^^ 27th pick and a 5th round pick traded by Titans to Texans for picks in the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th rounds.

&& 28th pick traded by the 49ers to Carolina in exchange for the 31st pick overall and a 4th round pick.

xx 29th pick traded by Colts to Atlanta in exchange for a second and third round pick.

yy 30th pick traded by Chiefs to Lions

[Skinzaholic]

Eli gets no love in South Town!

[TexSkin]

Manning goes first..intresting!

[Spence]

Reminds me of what those dumbass ignorant Philly fans did to Donovan McNabb when he was drafted.

[Spence]

Interesting pick by the Raiders. Safe pick. Gallery is as close to a sure thing as there is. Almost any other player could be a bust, but Gallery is almost sure to be an All Pro. Maybe not their top need, but hard to argue with such a pick. They got superstar.

[PennSkinsFan]

I would have gone with fitzgerald if i was Oakland. They need to replace Rice and Brown

[Spence]

I think most people had Oakland going Fitz, but I can't quibble with taking Gallery. Despite what the Sean Taylor cult thinks, Gallery is the best college player in this draft.

[Skinzaholic]

I agree... Gallery was the closest thing.

[Spence]

Big, athletic receiver for the Cardinals. Hard to argue with that pick either. For those who knock his speed, I'd point out that Fitzgerald is faster than Jerry Rice ever was.

With Fitzgerald and Anquan Boldin on the field at the same time, opposing defenses are going to be in trouble.

[PennSkinsFan]

Fitzgerlad was pretty much a gaurantee for Green. Good Wrs in ARI! Now they need defense.

[Skinzaholic]

Dennis Green had the last say on that one.

[Spence]

Yeah, Denny is an offensive coach. Winning 38-30 works just fine for him. Best value pick for him, though.

[Spence]

The two players the Giants wanted were Manning or Gallery. Both are gone. If the Giants take Rivers I have to think they're doing it to make a deal with the Chargers.

[Spence]

Let the dealmaking begin.

[Portis-DA-Great]

on the clock

[Skinzaholic]

Rivers wasnt worth that high.

[jporterweb]

Rivers wasnt worth that high.

Nope, but they think that they can get Eli by picking him....God I hope not.

[Spence]

I'm not sure what to make of all this Winslow talk. All the talk points to Winslow right now, but I wouldn't put it past Gibbs to be lying about all that. People who can't see behind his "aww, gee shucks" act often miss how clever and ruthless Gibbs can be.

I think the lure of Winslow must be incredible, though.

[jporterweb]

I don't get the lure of Winslow. Gibbs has never really utilized the pass catching ability of them before, so why change the system now. I just hope we don't get Winslow when this comes back,.

[Spence]

Jporter, Gibbs made great use of Winslow as offensive coordinator of the Chargers. Gibbs knows exactly how to use a player like Winslow. He just didn't do it at Washington. Part of the reason for that must have been that he never got to draft this high, really. Just once.

[redskinmwt]

wow, did you see what the chargers got for manning?

[redskinmwt]

oops guess i shoulda said....

swapped rivers and manning and chargers get...

a third rounder this year and a first and fifth rounder next year

[jporterweb]

Great Pick....and as for the chargers/giants.....HOLY S**T! I'm waiting to hear about the stupidity of trading away there draft this and next year for one player.

[flave1969]

We Take Taylor.

Rivers and Manning swap. Giants give up third this year. First and third next year.

[Skinzaholic]

Im glad we took Taylor.

[flave1969]

Sorry First and fifth next year

[frankez99]

I'm satisfied w/ Taylor...I guess....maybe we can find a DE/DL diamond in the rough in the later rounds...and through free agency. If not I see a lot of teams running all over us...again...like last season..and the season before...and before...and before...

But better Taylor than Winslow! :Partyup:

[Spence]

Giants roll the dice, Redskins play it safe. Look, if Eli turns out to be another Peyton Manning then this trade will still look very good for the Giants.

[Spence]

All picks and trade details may be found on my master list on the first page of this thread.

[Spence]

I wouldn't be surprised to see the Lions go for Winslow. He'd really help Harrington. If not, they'll trade down and try to take the top running back later in the first round. At least, that's what I'd do. They need more help for Harrington. Badly.

[Spence]

I think Kiper is correct: Sean Taylor was taken so the Redskins won't be killed by Jeremy Shockey anymore. I think he's the Shockey antidote. That's why they took him.

[Skins57]

Browns trade up to get KW, good he is in the AFC

[Skins57]

Who will Det take? I say Jackson

[Skins57]

Roy Williams and Charles Rogers should be a great dou for a long time

[Spence]

Interesting. I love Roy Williams, but I thought the Lions would look for a running back later in the first round. Maybe they couldn't pull off a trade. I guess they'll have to hope someone like Chris Perry lasts into the second round.

[Spence]

Well, if Harrington cannot become a star throwing to Rogers and Williams then he just isn't going to be a star at all.

[Skins57]

Irvin is an idiot, saying Williams should not have stayed in school. Maybe he should be a crack head like Mike too.

What an idiot

[Spence]

Lions got a good deal. Picked up an extra high second round pick for just moving down one place. And they still got Roy Williams. Great job by Detroit.

[Spence]

Irvin is an idiot, saying Williams should not have stayed in school. Maybe he should be a crack head like Mike too.Yeah, I agree. Williams was the seventh pick in the draft. What more does Irvin want? I'd really prefer to have Tom Jackson or Joe Theisman sitting there, but I guess ESPN wants to appeal to young people with Michael Irvin. Doesn't say much for their opinion of young people.

[Skins57]

I agree Spence, did someone kidnap Millen and draft for him? :D

[Spence]

Great pick by the Falcons. They HAD to have a cornerback and they got a very, very good one. Great speed. Decent size. Terrific return specialist.

[Spence]

What will the Jags do? They wanted one of the top receivers, but they didn't get Fitzgerald or Roy Williams. Mike Williams isn't in this draft. I think they should go for Rashaun Woods. Maybe they'll go for Lee Evans or Reggie Williams. They could probably get one of those guys later in the round, so maybe they'll trade down.

[Spence]

The Jags need help at defensive end, so they might go for Udeze or Smith, but they've used their first round pick on defensive tackles the last two years. That's a lot of money to tie up on the defensive line. I think they have to get help for Leftwich. He's their cornerstone.

[Skins57]

Maybe someone to relace Jimmy Smith

[Skins57]

Could we trade a first next year and Gardner to move up... guess not

[Spence]

Reggie Williams is huge. Big target. That's good help for Leftwich, but I think they could have gotten Reggie Williams later in the first round. Very average speed for Reggie Williams. They still need a burner on the other side of the field.

[CarMike]

Udeze will plummet now that the Jags didn't take him. Seems like his shoulder is hurt pretty bad.

And it appears that Pittsburgh will get Big Ben.

The Texans wont take Udeze will they?

[Spence]

I've got to think the Texans will either trade the pick to some team desperate to get Roethlisberger. To get him you have to move ahead of Pittsburgh. If the Texans keep the pick I think they'll go defensive line. Probably Tommie Harris.

[Skins57]

Udeze will plummet now that the Jags didn't take him. Seems like his shoulder is hurt pretty bad.

And it appears that Pittsburgh will get Big Ben.

The Texans wont take Udeze will they?


If they want Udeze, they could trade down and get him with the injury and get some more picks, could see Pitt trade up to get Ben

[CarMike]

That would make sence Spence. I think, but not sure, that Harris is from Texas.

I think they go with CB though....

[Spence]

Whoa. Okay, Chris Mortensen is saying the Texans will go for Dunta Robinson. He's good. Could be better than DeAngelo Hall.

EDIT: And that's who they picked. Good call, Mort.

[Spence]

Good call, Mike.

[Skins57]

to tell you how far out of the draft I am this year, I have never heard of this guy. Is this is big reach or not?

[TwistyNiblet]

Pittsburgh has got to take Big Ben at this point.

[Spence]

Well, the Steelers will take Roethlisberger, whose name will go over very well in Pittsburgh.

So, no defensive linemen will be taken in the first 11 picks, at least. When did that last happen? Incredible.

[Spence]

to tell you how far out of the draft I am this year, I have never heard of this guy. Is this is big reach or not?No, it is not. Robinson is definitely no worse than the second best cornerback in the draft. He might be even better than DeAngelo Hall as a cornerback. Hall has the added talent of being a great return specialist, though.

[TwistyNiblet]

Roth is on the phone with the Steelers...

[Skins57]

Well Ben has to be a steeler

thanks Spence

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

im just hoping and praying that the eagals dont get steven jacksona and that the cowgirls dont get kevin jones!!!

[Skins57]

ESPN scoops the commish. Pitt gets the QB they wanted

[Spence]

3 QB, 2 WR taken in the first 11 picks, but not a single defensive lineman. Amazing.

[Spence]

Jets need defensive help. I think they go LB or DL. Bills were hoping to get a QB, but I think they may go DL now. Bears might go DL. Bucs will almost definitely go get a DL. I think a mini-run on DL begins soon.

[TwistyNiblet]

im just hoping and praying that the eagals dont get steven jacksona and that the cowgirls dont get kevin jones!!!

You took the words right out of my mouth!

[TwistyNiblet]

Oh God, how are these rabid NY fans going to react to the Jets' pick?

[Skins57]

Jets took a DL last year, will tehy do it again?

[CarMike]

to tell you how far out of the draft I am this year, I have never heard of this guy. Is this is big reach or not?

No Jeff. Not a reach at all. He was rated the 2nd best CB behind Hall of Va. Tech.

This was a pick of need instead of taking the best available.

[Spence]

Oh God, how are these rabid NY fans going to react to the Jets' pick?The same way they always do: Like nutballs.

[TwistyNiblet]

Vilma!

[Skins57]

J....E.......T......S.... suck:D

John Vilma LB

[CarMike]

thats great! Atleast the Eagles didn't get him....Vilma that is. LBer from Miami.

[Spence]

Well, I finally got one right. Jets needed a linebacker and they got one. Probably the best one in the draft.

[TwistyNiblet]

I honestly cannot believe my man Udeze has not gone yet!

[Skins57]

could U of Miami beat the Chargers last season... geeshhh Taylor,KW and Vilma in the first 12 picks

Bills go which way?

[Skins57]

I honestly cannot believe my man Udeze has not gone yet!


He will drop because of his injury situation

[Spence]

Bills need a young quarterback, a fast wideout, and a defensive end. The Bills offense was absolutely punchless last year. They need a star wideout, but I don't see one worth taking here and it is also too early to take Losman, the quarterback.

I think the Bills should either get a defensive lineman or trade down. I don't see an offensive need for them that they can fill productively here. Of course, they might not find anyone willing to deal.

[CarMike]

Rumors about his bum shoulder is hurting his cause. Will Smith will probably go before him....

[chrisbcbu]

i wouldnt be surprised if the bills get Lee Evans or Wilfork

[TwistyNiblet]

Has anyone checked out Sean Taylor in his new Skins uniform?

http://images.ea.com/sports/events/maddendraft2005/screens/taylor5.jpg

Look, he's knocking down Pinkston!

[CarMike]

OMT, where in the heck is the Gibbs video conference? grrrrr....:(

[Skins57]

i wouldnt be surprised if the bills get Lee Evans or Wilfork


good call

[badpigs442]

The top two running backs need to go off the board before Dallas picks. I don't want them to have a good draft day.

[BigCountry]

Ok they have gotta stop giving the picks away to Berman, and then Chris pretends he's guessing.

[Spence]

I thought he was clearly the best wideout left in the draft. In fact, I think he's better than Reggie Williams, who was taken by the Jags. I just think the Bills could have taken Lee Evans later in the first round. I hope they at least tried to trade down...

[Skins57]

I say Chicago goes Tommie HArris

[TwistyNiblet]

Harris over Wilfork? I was under the impression that Wilfork was the better player.

[Spence]

I agree, I think Chicago has got to go DL. Bucs will definitely go DL at #15 because they need someone to replace Sapp.

[Skins57]

I could see TB taking one

[Skins57]

I could see TB going after Jackson s tehy need a RB as bad as a DL

[chrisbcbu]

Chicago needs a new quarterback..Grossman wont cut it. But i think they will draft a DL maybe Wilfork or Harris

[badpigs442]

They better. Then Denver could take the other. (Jones)

[RichardBradley]

Tampa is going to be pissed that all the WR's are off the board. Tampa just signed Garner ...

[RedskinRyan]

i dont really know how much i think of steven jackson. i think he might have the highest possibility of being a bust. him and chris perry. kevin jones i dunno. i think the safest choice is greg jones, he wont bust, but he wont be great. im not too worried. tampa might take a rb. denver might take a rb. so im not too worried.

[Skins57]

I think Grossman will be fine and Chicago will go HArris

[CarMike]

Please keep all the draft talk in the one stuck to the top of the forums. Thanks...

[Spence]

Loved that comment by Jansen that Stephen Davis was not in the game plan during Patrick Ramsey's rookie year. Can you imagine that? An elite running back not in the game plan when you've got a rookie at quarterback? God, that Spurrier was a jackass in Washington.

[badpigs442]

Chicago needs a new quarterback..Grossman wont cut it. But i think they will draft a DL maybe Wilfork or Harris

Wo, give Rex a chance. He played very well in the limited time he had.

[CarMike]

Threads merged.

[Skins57]

Loved that comment by Jansen that Stephen Davis was not in the game plan during Patrick Ramsey's rookie year. Can you imagine that? An elite running back not in the game plan when you've got a rookie at quarterback? God, that Spurrier was a jackass in Washington.

You are so right, the best 2 woulds SS ever spoke was "I quit"

[Spence]

No, the Bears are very comfortable with Grossman at quarterback. It's too early to call him either way, but he was very impressive last year, I thought. The team looked much better with Grossman at QB instead of Kordell Stewart.

[badpigs442]

Chgicago's fans are DYING for Wilfork.

[Skins57]

Wilfolk or Harris would help them

[Portis-DA-Great]

No, the Bears are very comfortable with Grossman at quarterback. It's too early to call him either way, but he was very impressive last year, I thought. The team looked much better with Grossman at QB instead of Kordell Stewart.
it did not take much to look better than Stewart but i agree grossman is solid at the QB postion

[tyrone_rush_fan]

Jansen definitely has a career in future broadcsating, hopefully, it's just inevitable that his smarts off the field translate to on the field, Buges and Gibbs must love him.

[badpigs442]

Wilfolk or Harris would help them

I'm affraid Harris is destined to make some rookie mistakes. The biggest will be over penatrating. He's so fast that teams will use it against him. Draw plays and traps could be used to take him out of plays.

[Spence]

Lovie goes defense, I think. Harris would fit.

[badpigs442]

Surprised.

[Spence]

Hey, I got one. Harris is quick.

[Skins57]

Harris to Chi. I feel like Jackson might go to TB

[BigCountry]

Don't be suprised if they draft Shawn Andrews or D.J Williams here.

[badpigs442]

Harris to Chi. I feel like Jackson might go to TB

I agree.

[Spence]

I think the Bucs go for Wilfork or another defensive lineman. If not, Monte Kiffin has no voice in personnel issues at all.

[Portis-DA-Great]

i think the bucs will go with DJ

[badpigs442]

If they go D. I say they replace their old boy Sapp with "Baby Sapp". Seems like a perfect fit.

[Skins57]

Portis-DA-Great, welcome to hR. I still think there is an outside chance TB will take a RB

[Skins57]

ESPN almost agrees with me

[badpigs442]

Galloway is a far better fit for TB than Meshawn.

[Portis-DA-Great]

WoW Clayton

[Spence]

Clayton is a replacement for Keyshawn Johnson. Very similar player. Big, strong, possession receiver. It's a pretty good value pick, I just thought they'd try to replace Sapp.

Well, we play these guys in the opening week. This is good news for our offense. Might be bad news for our defense.

[badpigs442]

Clayton is a replacement for Keyshawn Johnson. Very similar player. Big, strong, possession receiver. It's a pretty good value pick, I just thought they'd try to replace Sapp.

Well, we play these guys in the opening week. This is good news for our offense. Might be bad news for our defense.

Why would this be bad news for our D?

[Portis-DA-Great]

i like charles lee and what he showed at the end of the season

[badpigs442]

Niners look like they might kinda suck.

[Portis-DA-Great]

Niners look like they might kinda suck.
yea :banghead:

[Spence]

Crap, I don't want to see Stephen Jackson in Philadelphia. That's the last thing I want to see.

[RichardBradley]

This might not be good,.

[badpigs442]

Crap, I don't want to see Stephen Jackson in Philadelphia. That's the last thing I want to see.

Bad news. Not good...........Andrews?

[RichardBradley]

What the #? They already have Runyan and Thomas?

[Skins57]

Andrews and not a RB wow

[badpigs442]

What? This could be bad for Upshaw.

[Skins57]

good a Rb would have made Philly much better

[Spence]

Interesting. Obviously, the Eagles are very worried about Runyan and Thomas.

[IndianBaller27]

i thought like everyone here was goin to fedex field to watch it

[Skins57]

sounds like Andrews and Ried can eat together :D

[badpigs442]

Hopefully this guy becomes a blimp.

[TwistyNiblet]

I am appalled that they moved up 12 spots for Andrews.

[Spence]

Age and contract issues with Runyan and Thomas. Frankly, Thomas has been very average and very overpaid for the last two years. I think Thomas is cut after June 1.

[TwistyNiblet]

So now Denver gets their Portis replacement...

[RichardBradley]

Andrews plays the right side.....

[badpigs442]

So now Denver gets their Portis replacement...

Tough call. Portis will be tough to replace.

[TwistyNiblet]

I think Jackson will do great things in Denver...

[RichardBradley]

Denver will probably take Jackson

[TwistyNiblet]

Whoa! DJ Williams!

[badpigs442]

Cowgirls are gonna get Jackson.

[badpigs442]

Looks like Ian Gold is gone.

[TwistyNiblet]

Cowgirls are gonna get Jackson.

As much as I hope that doesn't happen, I think they will either get him or K. Jones...

[Skins57]

Cowgirls are gonna get Jackson.


I believe you are right. Unless Det trades both seconds to get up and get him

[RichardBradley]

great pick for Denver

[TwistyNiblet]

It sure is going to be hard to sit out now until August with no football. I'm excited to see all these rooks!

[Spence]

This is ridiculous. Four of the top 17 picks are from the University of Miami, including the first two linebackers. And if you throw in Roethlisberger from Miami of Ohio... :)

The Hurricanes are just a factory.

[Skins57]

Irvin sayd he would have never traded Portis for Champ as Portis is worth much more

[BigCountry]

Not good for Washington. This means Steven Jackson is going to Dallas, unless someone trades up.

[badpigs442]

It sure is going to be hard to sit out now until August with no football. I'm excited to see all these rooks!

I'm already Freakin' out.

[TwistyNiblet]

Ooooh, a videoconference with Andy Reid! This should be interesting!

[Spence]

Andrews plays the right side.....I know. I think they move Runyan over.

[Skins57]

I like Reid saying you win with the lines

[RedskinRyan]

going to chat room

[TwistyNiblet]

I like Reid saying you win with the lines
Yeah, he's right.

[Skins57]

Reid talking about Andrews playing guard

[TwistyNiblet]

I had no idea Leonard Davis was a tackle in college.

[badpigs442]

Reid talking about Andrews playing guard

He'd be a road grader.

[Spence]

Saints won't go for a running back. They'll go defense. Vikings won't go for a running back. They'll go defense. Dolphins won't go for a running back. Patriots probably won't go for a running back.

Stephen Jackson in Dallas unless someone moves up and stops it from happening. Imagine, Dallas filling their biggest need with the top player at running back and doing it without having to trade to move up.

Sometimes, it is better to be lucky than good.

[TwistyNiblet]

Will Smith is a Saint.

[Skins57]

excellent pick

at the rate he is falling could we trade a 3rd next year and Rod for a second this year and maybe get Udeze????

[Spence]

I think the Vikings are annoyed. They wanted Smith, I believe. They could go for Wilfork, Tubbs, Udeze, Starks...

[TwistyNiblet]

Phew, a commercial break. I can breathe now.

[badpigs442]

Saints won't go for a running back. They'll go defense. Vikings won't go for a running back. They'll go defense. Dolphins won't go for a running back. Patriots probably won't go for a running back.

Stephen Jackson in Dallas unless someone moves up and stops it from happening. Imagine, Dallas filling their biggest need with the top player at running back and doing it without having to trade to move up.

Sometimes, it is better to be lucky than good.

:blah: I don't like it. It was bad enough they'd get jones. But Jackson is just too much.

[badpigs442]

Where ever they want Kevin williams to play. I would expect them to take the opposite line slot. (Minnisota) Udex or Wilfork.

[ShaggySkins]

NOOOOOO Steven Jackson will probably drop down to Dallas!!!!!!!
Somebody needs to make a trade in front of Dallas to pick him up. With only Minnesota, Miami, Pats, and Dallas in that order remaining no one will take him except for Dallas.

[badpigs442]

Why is Miami on the clock?

[Portis-DA-Great]

man i hope jackson does not go to the cowboys

[TwistyNiblet]

man i hope jackson does not go to the cowboys

He will, there's no way around it.

[TwistyNiblet]

Wow, another 'Cane taken in the first round!

[badpigs442]

Miami to Miami. Not much of a surprise pick. Except for the trade...?.

[TwistyNiblet]

I second your emotion. In another post, WinslowRedskin speculated that if they do take Jackson, we will trade for a day 1 pick and grab a Dlineman. I sure hope that happens (if Dallas does take Jackson).

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

Agree. I'm very worried right now. Not only he'll be a great RB (Jackson), but he'll be a steal with the 22.

[Skins57]

I think our best hope is Detroit with that extra 2nd they got from Cle

[flave1969]

Vinny Cerrato on NFL Radio said that Butch Davis had a deal done with the Giants to pick Taylor, he had even phoned Taylor to say welcome to Cleveland. But then the Giants finally did the deal with San Diego.

He says Taylor was their Number One from yesterday afternoon.

He also says they are going to work the phones see if they can get another pick today.

Only WR surprise he says has been Reggie Williams to Jacksonville.

[Spence]

Geez, another Hurricane. Five picks in the top 19. Not a bad pick by the Dolphins. THey're desperate for help along the offensive line and Carey is definitely the top guard in the draft.

[TwistyNiblet]

God I love that commercial with the players speculating where they will end up..."Chargers, Giants? Chargers, Giants?"

[chrisbcbu]

maybe minnesota can actually get to pick a first rounder this year if they dont fall asleep!!

[Skins57]

I still think we have a shot with Detroit and thier 2 2nd rounders moving up as a RB is thier last major piece to thier offense

[Skins57]

Minn..... Udeze

[TwistyNiblet]

Vikings select Kenechi Udeze. What a steal.

[badpigs442]

Mr. Oriental Soup.

[Dre-The-Great]

What the hell was Denver thinking?!! :banghead: Now Dallas is going to get the best RB in the draft

[Skins57]

At least minny made the pick in the time allotted

[TwistyNiblet]

They are saying the reason he fell to 20 was the shoulder injury.

[funnyperson1]

I'm fine with Steven Jackson in Dallas as long as KJ doesn't go to them.

I will be sad if VTs all time leading rusher goes to the hated Dallas Cowboys.

[chrisbcbu]

hmm pats to trade this pick down so detroit can pick Steve Jackson??

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

im steamed......i was hoping someone (denver) would take steven jackson and that NE would take jones so the cowgirls couldnt get either one. i hate dallas. :cry: :devil2:

[Spence]

Come on, Patriots! Trade down with Detroit! Please please please please!

[TwistyNiblet]

What would the Pats-Detroit trade consist of?

[badpigs442]

Come on, Patriots! Trade down with Detroit! Please please please please!

PLEASE.

[Skins57]

Let me get on the phone and talk to Millen, i will get it done :D

[ShaggySkins]

This pick has to be Wilfork to replace Washington. They are the same type player.

[Skins57]

Isn't there usually the new Madden commericals during the draft? I haven't seen one yet

[TwistyNiblet]

They do have the rookies in their new uni's at EASPORTS.com

[Skins57]

If Det were to trade up and get Jackson, what would Dallas do then?

[badpigs442]

This pick has to be Wilfork to replace Washington. They are the same type player.

But they got Ty Warren last year in round 1.

[TwistyNiblet]

If Det were to trade up and get Jackson, what would Dallas do then?

Kevin Jones.

[badpigs442]

Plus they signed Traylor.

[ShaggySkins]

But they got Ty Warren last year in round 1.

But they were playing Warren at end last season

[ShaggySkins]

I hope your right badpigs but I just don't see them passing on Wilfork right here

[TwistyNiblet]

The guys on ESPN are convincing me they will take Wilfork.

[badpigs442]

But they were playing Warren at end last season

McGinniest and Seymore were their starting ends.

[ShaggySkins]

They moved McGinist around last season. He played both End and OLB. Warren missed half the season. When they brought him back they used him to relieve Seymour and McGinist.

[badpigs442]

They moved McGinist around last season. He played both End and OLB. Warren missed half the season. When they brought him back they used him to relieve Seymour and McGinist.

They had Ted though a T.

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

A minute left and NE is not trading......

[badpigs442]

Meaning that they didn't need Warren at Tackle.

[TwistyNiblet]

And the Patriots select...Vince Wilfork!

[Skins57]

NE Wilfork

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

It's Vince Wilfork for the Pats...

Now Dallas will have the best RB in the draft.

[badpigs442]

He looks like Ted!

[ShaggySkins]

My only hope now is the clock runs out on Dallas before they pick

[Spence]

Sixth Hurricane in first 21 picks. Unreal. Cowboys have got their man now.

[TwistyNiblet]

This pretty much guarantees that the Cowboys will pick Jackson. Crap.

[Skaggsboy]

if we had made the pats trade we could have gotten wilfork and udeze...wow...sean taylor will be awesome tho...i just wonder which i rather would have had...cant complain now tho

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

D*mn!

[badpigs442]

Dallas will have their pick up befor the 10 min mark.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

i cant believe. those turds dont budge and the get the player they wanted...........

[badpigs442]

Maybe Warren becomes trade bait for them in the future.

[Farbod]

:crazy: Udeze went 19th, what are you talking about?!?!?

[ShaggySkins]

I hate hearing them talk about how good Dallas is

[TwistyNiblet]

Why on earth is Dallas taking so long??

[ShaggySkins]

Do you guys think Iffy becomes trade bait along with Gardner since we drafted Taylor today???

[badpigs442]

Why on earth is Dallas taking so long??

They like the face time.

[ShaggySkins]

Maybe Dallas has Kevin Jones graded as highly and thinking they may be able to move down for a deal and still get Jones

[badpigs442]

wooooo.

[ShaggySkins]

TRADE YES!!!!!!!

[TwistyNiblet]

Woohoo for trades!

[ShaggySkins]

Buffalo just became my 2nd favorite team

[badpigs442]

They beat GB to the punch.

[TwistyNiblet]

I'll bet Green Bay is kicking themselves right now.

[ShaggySkins]

Dallas did get a lot of picks out of this though

[Spence]

I think Buffalo got the sleeper quarterback. Not a bad job. They gave up a lot, though. Hopefully, that future first round pick won't be good. We need to root for the Bills to win a lot this year.

[RedskinRyan]

i think the cowboys made a big mistake in trading away their 22nd pick. im not complaining though, since they wont have a good rb next year.

[badpigs442]

Buffalo needs to make the playoffs.

[TwistyNiblet]

How many picks did Dallas get? Have they announced it yet?

[Spence]

So, who will take Stephen Jackson now? Seahawks won't. Bengals won't, I wouldn't think. Packers won't. Would the Rams do it? Yes, I think they very well might. The Titans would also take him, I think.

[TwistyNiblet]

Oh man, my mock is shot to crap!

[badpigs442]

#43, 5th rounder, next years 1.

[ShaggySkins]

I heard Parcells really liked Tatum Bell out of OSU. They can probably still grab him in the 2nd round

[Farbod]

HAHAHAHAHAH they are going with Brickhead at RB... Beautiful, they get a 2nd and 5th for swapping a 1st round pick this year for next year... what morons!!!!

:lol1:

[TwistyNiblet]

HAHAHAHAHAH they are going with Brickhead at RB... Beautiful, they get a 2nd and 5th for swapping a 1st round pick this year for next year... what morons!!!!

:lol1:

I think they will probably draft a RB in a later round.

[ShaggySkins]

So, who will take Stephen Jackson now? Seahawks won't. Bengals won't, I wouldn't think. Packers won't. Would the Rams do it? Yes, I think they very well might. The Titans would also take him, I think.

I think this might be like Deuce McAlister a few years ago. When he just kept falling and finally a team (New Orleans) took him despite having a great RB (Ricky Williams) knowing that in a year or two they can deal him for picks. He is clearly the best player available right now.

[Spence]

Plenty of good backs left. Greg Jones could be there for the Cowboys. Chris Perry, Julius Jones, Michael Turner, Tatum Bell. Plenty of good backs for the Cowboys.