rod gardner or darnerien mccants

[warpaint]

coles is the number 1 wide receiver , who do you think should be number 2
please make a comment on the reason for your choice.

[funnyperson1]

It will probably be Rod Gardner, and probably will be Rod Gardner.

Mccants is a very good receiver but he is more of a big end zone target than a go to guy.

[Patrick]

The one who wins the job in the up coming training camp. I want the best player not the most popular one.

[DallasSux]

Rod Gardner. Mccants is a good 3rd reciever.

[SkinsKY]

I think McCants will win it at some point. He holds on to passes much better than Gardner. DMC has made the most of his playing time and I wouldn't expect it to stop soon.

[straightupbeast]

Gardner...Mccants as much as i love the guy isnt going to make it past a 3rd receiver

[champisachump]

ARE YOU SERIOUS??? You guys see a couple of endzone catches and you think that's all he's good at. THat's rediculous! Mccants is definitely the better receiver. If he can make catches when defenses are locking down in the redzone, he can be a good receiver anywhere on the field. I've watched him the whole season and he has continued to impress me all over the field. I've seen him make catches that I've never seen gardner make in his whole career. He is also deceptively fast. He can stretch the field. I believe he has the all around potential to be better than Art Monk. Gardner is a bum and has no heart. Please trade him next year for a second round pick

[REDMAN]

DMC reminds me of Chris Carter with more speed. He snatches the ball from the air with his huge hands as well as any one I have seen. Remember when Carter was traded from Philly to the Vikings? Buddy Ryan said all he can do is catch touchdowns passes!

[Redskinmayhem]

Guys we're getting ahead of ourselves talking about DMC like he's a TD machine. He ONLY had 27 catches last season and 6 TD's. I know 6 TD's is pretty decent but you can't campare him to Art Monk or Chris Carter at least for a few more seasons. I saw DMC drop/miss a few key passes last year. Or how about the stupid taunting penalties of 2 seasons ago? What about the Fumble 2 seasons ago on the 7 yd line(against the Giants if I remember correctly). Yes he has Talent, Size, and potential but right now he's a number 3. PERIOD!!!!!!!! :niceday:

[redwolf1218]

mccants seems to be a raw talent who is improving. gardner was pretty good right off the bat, and seems the same now. no flashes of greatness, no acrobatic catches, no great runs after the catch. mccants seems bigger stronger and faster, with more "flashes" of greatness, but that may be as a result of playing against the other team's 3rd corner...

[CarMike]

Heading into TC it'll be Gardner. But don't be too surprised to see McCants make a run at #2. Also....people are sleeping on TJ. Don't count him out either. Perhaps not this year but in the years to come....

[rskinsfan10]

Guys we're getting ahead of ourselves talking about DMC like he's a TD machine. He ONLY had under 27 catches last season and 6 TD's. I know 6 TD's is pretty decent but you can't campare him to Art Monk or Chris Carter at least for a few more seasons. I saw DMC drop/miss a few key passes last year. Or how about the stupid taunting penalties of 2 seasons ago? What about the Fumble 2 seasons ago on the 7 yd line(against the Giants if I remember correctly). Yes he has Talent, Size, and potential but right now he's a number 3. PERIOD!!!!!!!! :niceday:
You seem to harboring alot of ill thoughts over plays that happened 2 years ago. Those taunting penalties were very subjective at best. I've seen other players get away with alot worse when playing the Skins. Hell, Shockey could get a taunting penalty after every catch if the rule was enforced without individual interpretation. Why not mention the constant holding holding penalties that Gardner gets when a play is being run in his direction, and to mention McCants dropping passes without pointing out the countless passes that Gardner has dropped is a bit mind-boggling IMO.

I would say that those 27 catches were a result of him making the most of the time that Krusty the Klown gave him. His having more TDs then Gardner tells me that the QBs trusted his hands in crunch time more then they did Rod's.

[flave1969]

Rod Gardner is the best number two guy we have, yes he has his faults but he also has the games and stats to say he is our number two. If he carries on at the pace he has set he would have accumalated 181 more passes 2566 yards and 21 more TD's than James Thrash has after seven seasons. It was the arrival of Thrash which started the talk of moving Rod. If DMAC gets the play he may well eclipse Rod, but until that point it is Rod's to lose.

If you think about all the receivers taken in the draft, if you were told they would average 56 catches 900 yards and 6 TD's a year, you would want him right. Well that is Rod's production for us as a Redskin. He will never be our number one guy, but he will produce for us. Especially now that we will have a properly protected QB.

[J-Rod]

The more I think about it, the more it seems that we have probably the deepest receiving corps in the league. Jeeze...we have Coles, DMC, Gardner, Thrash, and Jacobs...and all but Jacobs are (at least in some aspect) are proven players. I say lets go the way of Texas Tech and send five wide on every down...well maybe not, we still need to give Portis carries...what a dilema having too many weapons on offense...what are we ever going to do... :D

[Portis-DA-Great]

I look at it this way D-mac does all he does on 3rd string corners Rod is still young and is improving and is right now and always will be better and will be the starter.

O yea this does not matter but he can throw the ball too. :wacky:

[redwolf1218]

I look at it this way D-mac does all he does on 3rd string corners Rod is still young and is improving and is right now and always will be better and will be the starter.

O yea this does not matter but he can throw the ball too. :wacky:
yea that is funny, i think i remember seeing where he has an incredibly high QB rating.

[Portis-DA-Great]

Also rod 5 td cathes D-mac 6 td cathes

Rod 2 passing td's D-mac 0

Ask your self this since every one is stuck on the 6 tds that he had, who contributed more to the team.

[Shirts'n'Skins]

ARE YOU SERIOUS??? You guys see a couple of endzone catches and you think that's all he's good at. THat's rediculous! Mccants is definitely the better receiver. If he can make catches when defenses are locking down in the redzone, he can be a good receiver anywhere on the field. I've watched him the whole season and he has continued to impress me all over the field. I've seen him make catches that I've never seen gardner make in his whole career. He is also deceptively fast. He can stretch the field. I believe he has the all around potential to be better than Art Monk. Gardner is a bum and has no heart. Please trade him next year for a second round pick

how do you figure that Rod has no heart? I like McCants but I think he's become extremely overrated on this board. Gardner is the only receiver on the team other than coles who has earned the right to start. the guy has put up good numbers for a young receiver and I think trading him would be a mistake. McCants has done nothing to prove that he should unseat Gardner as the starter. Rod takes heat for dropping passes but I cringe just as much when Darnerian is thrown the ball. if someone in camp is absolutely amazing than he should start, but I think the job is Rod's to lose

[portis1500]

You have to say that Rod Gardner is the starter until we see otherwise. Rod had a down year last year, but who didn't under Spurrier? The year before he had 70+ catches and 1000+ yards as the #1 receiver. I don't see McCants posting those numbers.

I actually like Jacobs as our third receiver, and as a dark horse for #2. While he isn't as big as Rod or DMAC, he has more upside than both and does have decent size. Everyone was raving about his route running, hands, etc last year until he got injured, and it looks like he already showed well at the 1st minicamp. In my mind, he is a far superior route runner, is faster and quicker, and has better hands than the other 2. What he lacks is experience, but I expect him to thrive under Gibbs.

[rskinsfan10]

I look at it this way D-mac does all he does on 3rd string corners Rod is still young and is improving and is right now and always will be better and will be the starter.

O yea this does not matter but he can throw the ball too. :wacky:

Spin that and say that Gardner's stats dropped off considerably last year, even when he had a legit #1 WR taking the heat off of him. A WR that is improving as you say would have taken advantage of Coles' presence, yet he didn't. His performance declined.

[Portis-DA-Great]

Spin that and say that Gardner's stats dropped off considerably last year, even when he had a legit #1 WR taking the heat off of him. A WR that is improving as you say would have taken advantage of Coles' presence, yet he didn't. His performance declined.

yet he did better than D-mac

[ScarletFire]

Gardner is the #2 but a successful Gibbs offense has three productive recievers. I think we'll see all three of their numbers (Coles, Gardner, DMAC) improve from last season's.

[rskinsfan10]

yet he did better than D-mac

In what way? Simply because he posted higher numbers? He was supposed to, he was the starter. McCants has posted consistent numbers in relation to the playing time that he has recieved. The same cannot be said for Gardner. People like to gush over his 1000yd, but fail to mention that if he hadn't dropped to ball so much he probably would have had about 1300 yds and closer to 100 catches. I have never seen McCants quit on a route, but I can surely say that I have seen Gardner do it multiple times.

Give me McCants over Gardner any and every day of the week.

[GolfFreak]

As of now I'd choose Gardner, but I wouldn't mind seeing McCants as our #2 WR. I also think T Jacobs can come on strong this year and show us why he was at least a projected first rounder last year.

[PennSkinsFan]

As of now I'd choose Gardner, but I wouldn't mind seeing McCants as our #2 WR. I also think T Jacobs can come on strong this year and show us why he was at least a projected first rounder last year.

Gardner and Coles will be a powerful tandem. Perhaps at #3 and #4, McCants and Jacobs can have the biggest impact, since defense will scramble to cover Coles, Gardner, Portis, and Cooley.

[Portis-DA-Great]

He is consistant because he had one ok year rod has been had good and better than good years in the NFL. Also the more they throw the ball to you the better chance you have of droping it you cant say he is more consistant than rod because he hardley ever gets the ball.

[rskinsfan10]

He is consistant because he had one ok year rod has been had good and better than good years in the NFL. Also the more they throw the ball to you the better chance you have of droping it you cant say he is more consistant than rod because he hardley ever gets the ball.

I'm not sure if this was meant for me since you didn't quote my post, but if it was, I will point out that I said that McCants has posted consistent numbers in relation to the playing time that he has recieved. Gardner has started for three years, and his numbers fluctuated like the stock market. Where do you seen consistency in that?

You may want to think about that analogy as far as dropping more passes because of the amount of throws that come your way. I don't think that anyone will dispute that Coles has the ball thrown to him more then Gardner, and no one will dispute that Gardner drops the ball way more then Coles does.

[GoDannyBoy]

I say line up 3 wr and two H backs. Pound the ball and then go for the long bomb! If we lose it will be 49- 42. You are going to need a good O to hang with the Skins.

It would be more fun than watching Marty ball with a score of 6-3.

:eaglesuk:

[Booser]

don't forget how much Gibbs likes to base the offense around the running game. the determining factor between the two may be which one is the better blocker.

[RedskinRyan]

mccants has better hands and is a better target. i get frustrated with gardner. right now gardner is #2, but he better be looking out.

[RedskinsVision]

Coles, Gardner and McCants will remind us of the Posse.. Gibbs always spread the ball around evenly.. in 89' all 3 receivers had over a 1000 yards and in most of the Posse years there was at least 2 w/ 1000 and the other w/ good #s for a 3rd receiver.

here's some of the year's stats..

88' season
Receiving Rec Yds Avg TD
Ricky Sanders 73 1148 15.7 12
Art Monk 72 946 13.1 5
Gary Clark 59 892 15.1 7

89' season
Receiving Rec Yds Avg TD
Art Monk 86 1186 13.8 8
Ricky Sanders 80 1138 14.2 4
Gary Clark 79 1229 15.6 9

90' season
Receiving Rec Yds Avg TD
Gary Clark 75 1112 14.8 8
Art Monk 68 770 11.3 5
Ricky Sanders 56 727 13.0 3

91' season
Receiving Rec Yds Avg TD
Art Monk 71 1049 14.8 8
Gary Clark 70 1340 19.1 10
Ricky Sanders 45 580 12.9 5

[Smiley]

J-Rod - That formation sounds awfully familiar? Fun N Gun?

[ScarletFire]

Coles, Gardner and McCants will remind us of the Posse.. Gibbs always spread the ball around evenly.. in 89' all 3 receivers had over a 1000 yards and in most of the Posse years there was at least 2 w/ 1000 and the other w/ good #s for a 3rd receiver.

here's some of the year's stats..

88' season
Receiving Rec Yds Avg TD
Ricky Sanders 73 1148 15.7 12
Art Monk 72 946 13.1 5
Gary Clark 59 892 15.1 7

89' season
Receiving Rec Yds Avg TD
Art Monk 86 1186 13.8 8
Ricky Sanders 80 1138 14.2 4
Gary Clark 79 1229 15.6 9

90' season
Receiving Rec Yds Avg TD
Gary Clark 75 1112 14.8 8
Art Monk 68 770 11.3 5
Ricky Sanders 56 727 13.0 3

91' season
Receiving Rec Yds Avg TD
Art Monk 71 1049 14.8 8
Gary Clark 70 1340 19.1 10
Ricky Sanders 45 580 12.9 5

Exactly what I was getting at in my post. Thanks for the stats. I can't wait to see this machine again. :Partyup:

[skinswin]

We won't find out anytime soon. Why?? Because I think that Coles toe is more banged up then their letting on. So we can't afford to let either Mccants or Gardner go.


Coles couldn't work out in the mini camp because of his toe and it's been 5 months.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

like patrick said, i want it to be whoever earns the job in TC. however, i would like DMC to start eventually because he has better hands than gardner IMO.

[Axegrinder]

We won't find out anytime soon. Why?? Because I think that Coles toe is more banged up then their letting on. So we can't afford to let either Mccants or Gardner go.


Coles couldn't work out in the mini camp because of his toe and it's been 5 months.
I totally agree SkinsWin.All of these guys could move up the depth chart if Coles can't go.We have a lot of talent here,don't forget to add Thrash to the mix.Depth is a good problem to have.

[IowaSkinsFan]

coles is the number 1 wide receiver , who do you think should be number 2
please make a comment on the reason for your choice.

Well, at this point I would have to say between those 2, Rod Gardner. We know exactly what he can do as a #2. We all think that DMC can excel as a #2, but the fact is that he has consistently faced #3CBs as a third WR in the slot, so we don't know how he will perform when facing better coverage.

Now, I personally think that James Thrash will wind up as the #2, but that is a different story altogether.

[hockeygoalie29]

I'd say without a doubt that our lineup is 1)Coles, 2)Gardner, and the number three spot will be a combination of Jacobs/DMAC depending on the situation with a little Thrash thrown in. It's funny 'cause Jacobs reminds my a lot of Coles with his speed and DMAC reminds me a lot of Gardner with his possession reciever skills. And a note to all who are saying that DMAC is better than Gardner, who has DMAC been lined up against? A teams Third and Fourth defensive backs. Gardner has been paired against a teams best and second best d-backs his entire career.