Portis-2000 yrd. season

[skins111111]

with Gibbs system.......the Skins O-Line and the Skins schedual ......I can't see Portis having a 2000 yrs season if he stays healthly......any coments?

[ConradCountry]

with Gibbs system.......the Skins O-Line and the Skins schedual ......I can't see Portis having a 2000 yrs season if he stays healthly......any coments?

I won't rule it out but he must stay healthy!

[skins111111]

1500+ yrds. last year in 13 games.........3rd year is the defining year.

[GoDannyBoy]

Go Buges!! With the TE's we have 2000 is not a stretch!!!!

[Patrick]

IF it were to happen ...Great BUT not if it does not equate to WINS.
I'd be alot happier if he only gains 750 yards BUT we win 10 - 13 games.

[PA Skins Girl]

I'd put the over/under at 1600 and take the OVER. 2000 is possible if Gibbs is comfortable leaving him in the entire game. When Gibbs gets a lead, he'll hand it off 15 straight times in the fourth quarter. Will he keep Portis in or bring in someone else to mop up, like Betts?

[Spence]

It could happen, but you must recall that Gibbs has never had a running back gain 1400 yards in a season before. Gibbs is not Norv Turner. He does not hand the ball to one back over and over and over again. Maybe he will this year because he has changed his views or because there is pressure on him to do it due to Portis' salary. However, traditionally, Gibbs has had one primary ballcarrier and then a secondary ballcarrier. Riggins/Washington, Riggins/Rogers, Rogers/Bryant, Riggs/Byner, Byner/Ervins are all examples of this. Add up the yards gained by those ballcarriers and you will sometimes come up with 2000 yards or more in a single season, but generally Gibbs does not like to give all those carries to just one player.

[CarMike]

I don't see it happening. If I were to guess he'll end up with 1,450 rushing yards.

Lets not forget about something else. Gibbs does like to go deep on occasions. I'll never forget the '91-92 season when Rypian was connecting on just about every down field pass he tried.

Gibbs may be a "run first" type of coach. But he does like the throw the ball just as much.

[skins111111]

W's are all important cuz you need them to go to the big dance but running yrds can add up to W's.

[skins111111]

back then 1000 yrds was a huge season,,,,,,,now 1000yrds is nothing special,,,,,,,you look for the 1500 yrd. backs..................oh and that includes Portis as a rookie and as a sophmore playing only 13 games.

[skins111111]

I don't see it happening. If I were to guess he'll end up with 1,450 rushing yards.

Lets not forget about something else. Gibbs does like to go deep on occasions. I'll never forget the '91-92 season when Rypian was connecting on just about every down field pass he tried.

Gibbs may be a "run first" type of coach. But he does like the throw the ball just as much.

Yeah its all about balance,,,,if you have a balanced offence you can really mess up a D coordinator,,,,,,,,,,and guess what ....we have it....pound Portis (he will break a few thats how he gets 2000 yrds) then strech the field with our air game........if we don't win 12 games I'll be very disapointed.....more like 14

[openallnight]

Gibbs does not like to give all those carries to just one player.

Spence, I think you hit the nail on the head.
Gibbs isn't about rushing titles he's about championships. He's not gonna want to wear Portis down during the season. Yea, there'll be the games where Portis may get 25+ carries but, it won't be the norm. Now come play-off time anything goes. You could very well see Portis getting the ball 40+ times in a playoff game.

[GolfFreak]

I'll go w/ the under if the limit is 1600 yards. I think he's a great back, but I don't see 2000 yards in his near future. Which is mainly due to the same reasons as already stated, but also we have a good QB and WR corps (unlike the Ravens last year). So we have something else to lean on which'll take yards away from the ground attack.

[VTSkins897]

i will not be happy unless he gets... one MILLION yards........
mwahahaha

[Smiley]

Win, win, win. That's all I care about. I don't care how we do it or where we do it as long as we win.

[Counter Trey]

I hope that he'll eclipse 2000 yds. but you need to take into account than he's never rushed for more that 290 times in a season and he'll be going up against better D's this year (no more KC twice a year). His career average is 5.5 ypc(which is awesome). Let's say he keeps the 5.5 average he'll need to rush at least 364 times. I don't know if he has that in him, being he's a smaller back. He hasn't been able to do it yet.

[dj_stouty]

I think we have to stop pinpointing characteristics on Gibbs. Sure...he didn't have a RB go for over 1,500 yards in his tenure, but one could argue that he never had a RB like Portis before. (Looking back...not too many coaches have had a back to back 1,500 yard rusher on their team)

If Gibbs is truly the master of utilizing his personel to their upmost ability, AND adapting the game plan and play calling around his personel strengths, then I really don't see 1,600+ yards as that much of a long shot.

Our RB is proven...and our Coach is DEFINITELY proven. I'm putting faith into them both...

[RedskinRyan]

i think that 2000 is possible. i think dallas has a weak dline and dont get me started on the giants d. not to mention with our defensive line. i think that portis can easily rack up 100 against tampa. he just needs to be healthy.

[skins111111]

2000 yrds. 16 games........thats a 125 yrd average........ Portis could very well have 12 games over 100 yrds.......and 6-8 games over 125 yrds........
another 1500 yrd season-no problem.......2000 yrds. -keep the faith!!!!!!!!!!

[RedskinsVision]

i'm seeing a 1300-1500 yard season for Portis.. we have so many good WRs on this team to share the load.. only way Portis will get these many carries is if Betts get hurt again and we play many close games.. any blowout situation Gibbs will not use Portis risking injury.

[redwolf1218]

i'm seeing a 1300-1500 yard season for Portis.. we have so many good WRs on this team to share the load.. only way Portis will get these many carries is if Betts get hurt again and we play many close games.. any blowout situation Gibbs will not use Portis risking injury.
that may be true about saving portis in a blowout, but i also think if we get a lead we'll run it down their throats to eat the clock, until they show they can stop us. portis should be a workhorse in that situation and having him in there will make the play-action work. i agree with the 1300-1500 yards. i dont think gibbs backs got more than right around the 1100-1300 range because there were also multiple 1000 yard receivers during the same time. wasnt there one year where monk, clark and sanders all had 1000 yards, or am i way off on that one?

[RedskinsVision]

yup

1989 Washington Redskins Stats

Receiving Rec Yds Avg TD
Art Monk 86 1186 13.8 8
Ricky Sanders 80 1138 14.2 4
Gary Clark 79 1229 15.6 9
Earnest Byner 54 458 8.5 2
Don Warren 15 167 11.1 1
Jamie Morris 8 65 8.1 0
Gerald Riggs 7 67 9.6 0
Jimmie Johnson 4 84 21.0 0
Terry Orr 3 80 26.7 0
Mike Tice 1 2 2.0 0

[LATrueRedskin]

Wow Ricky had more catches than Clark. Man Gary Clark was awesome.

[RedskinsVision]

yeah.. Ricky actually led all recievers in catches and yards in 88' w/ 73catches-1148yds-12tds.. thats why they were the Posse.. any one of them could've lead the team in receptions.

[LATrueRedskin]

Well then its time to create a new Posse isnt it? I never knew Ricky Sanders led them. Thats cool, he was my favorite, I used to watch him on the Redskins Super Bowl tapes and want to be like him. But we're getting off subject here. Portis getting 2000 is kind of far fetched in my view, seeing as only a handfull have done it. I DO see him getting more than he did in Denver though. 1500-1800 yards this year. In the future its inevitable he'll get 2000.

[redwolf1218]

i think the point is, portis wont have to have 2000 yards with the receivers we have. but the way he breaks the long ones, he will probably have a lot more yards than the usual gibbs backfield, and more touchdowns too hopefully....interesting to see clark had 9 touchdowns in '89. they must have been long ones, i never thought of him as a red zone kind of guy. he was awesome. i think gibbs loved him, he still talks about him once in a while. he said clark would take that treadmill test and laugh at them at the end of it, when other guys were dying from it. he was just a hard worker.

[Spence]

yup

1989 Washington Redskins Stats

Receiving Rec Yds Avg TD
Art Monk 86 1186 13.8 8
Ricky Sanders 80 1138 14.2 4
Gary Clark 79 1229 15.6 9
Earnest Byner 54 458 8.5 2
Don Warren 15 167 11.1 1
Jamie Morris 8 65 8.1 0
Gerald Riggs 7 67 9.6 0
Jimmie Johnson 4 84 21.0 0
Terry Orr 3 80 26.7 0
Mike Tice 1 2 2.0 0All that and the Redskins still missed the playoffs.

[Keino]

Weren't they 10-6 that year they missed the playoffs?

[Spence]

Weren't they 10-6 that year they missed the playoffs?They were. The Broncos also missed the playoffs with a 10-6 record that year, I think. Now that's some good football. I believe it was the very next year or so that the NFL added a third wild card team in each conference to the Super Bowl tournament.

[TwistyNiblet]

I suppose it's possible that Portis gains 2,000 yards. But like others have said, all I care about is the W's.

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

1500 this year, 2000 next year.

[BandWagon]

I think we have to stop pinpointing characteristics on Gibbs. Sure...he didn't have a RB go for over 1,500 yards in his tenure, but one could argue that he never had a RB like Portis before. (Looking back...not too many coaches have had a back to back 1,500 yard rusher on their team)

If Gibbs is truly the master of utilizing his personel to their upmost ability, AND adapting the game plan and play calling around his personel strengths, then I really don't see 1,600+ yards as that much of a long shot.

Our RB is proven...and our Coach is DEFINITELY proven. I'm putting faith into them both...

Excellent, excellent, excellent...you are right on! One other point to add...the only thing you can predict for sure, is that Gibbs will do some unpredictable things. I've watched quite a few old games recently and I'd forgotten just how often he ran trick plays...this coach is about keeping people off-balance and at the same time, running a play down their throats until they prove they can stop it. I'd guess 1,600 yards...he has by far the greatest skills of any back we've had in the past 25 years. Anything is possible.

[joethefan]

I'll believe it when I see it...I hope that he we can play really good ball control. That's what I hope..if we can hold the ball 27-33 minutes a game I'd be happy...

[Axegrinder]

Never say never,but I don't see it happening.
He's gotten his yards playing twice a year against KC,Oakland,and SanDiego.
That's not Dallas,Philly,and NY.

[dj_stouty]

Never say never,but I don't see it happening.
He's gotten his yards playing twice a year against KC,Oakland,and SanDiego.
That's not Dallas,Philly,and NY.

Yeah...but he also was the only running back in the league last year to run for over 100 yards on the Super Bowl Champ Pats. (Who owned the 4th best rush D in the league last year) Sure, playing KC was nice...but he has also gained big yards against decent opponents as well.

[IowaSkinsFan]

with Gibbs system.......the Skins O-Line and the Skins schedual ......I can't see Portis having a 2000 yrs season if he stays healthly......any coments?

My initial thoughts are that our passing game will be too good to devote that many carries to the running game, unless Portis is average 6 yards a carry, then he might get it.

[dogfight6]

Portis will get 14-1500 but you can add another 8-900 recieving. Can you say MVP?

[vegeta2364]

Win, win, win. That's all I care about. I don't care how we do it or where we do it as long as we win.

I agree and as long as the big money people step up an show they are worth that much

[PA Skins Girl]

Portis will get 14-1500 but you can add another 8-900 recieving. Can you say MVP?Good point! I wasn't even thinking about the receiving yards.

[hockeygoalie29]

The running game will open up the passing game and the passnig game will open up the running game. Our offense will be S-C-A-R-Y. With the H-back we aren't one or even two dimensional, but three. I'd look for Portis to up his average per carry a little bit and be at aound 1600 yards at the end of the season. I could also see Coles and Gardner with just over 1000 yards each and McCants, Jacobs, Thrash, and Cooley accounting for another 1500 - 2000.

Also, how many yards did Byner have rushing in '89, that should be a pretty good prediction although Portis is more talented. And I know nothing of Denver's passing game last year, were they a purely rushing offense (i.e. Ravens) or did they have a decent passing attack as well?

[Booser]

dont forget that last year, no one in the NFC East was really that good at stopping the run. Dallas had the best run defense, but they weren't great. portis will definitely be able to run in our conference....

[hockeygoalie29]

dont forget that last year, no one in the NFC East was really that good at stopping the run. Dallas had the best run defense, but they weren't great. portis will definitely be able to run in our conference....

Dallas didn't have a great run defense???? They were 3rd in the league on run stopping. Their pass defense was 18th but they still had the #1 overall defense in the league based on the strength of their run defense.

[hockeygoalie29]

Dallas didn't have a great run defense???? They were 3rd in the league on run stopping. Their pass defense was 18th but they still had the #1 overall defense in the league based on the strength of their run defense.

To take this a little further...

RUSHING DEFENSE
Dallas #3
Giants #18
Eagles #22

vs.

San Diego #25
KC #30
Oakland #32

The three teams Portis will be facing this season are ALL better than the BEST team he faced last year (division wise).

[PA Skins Girl]

Doesn't Dallas have a very small but quick D-Line? Hmmm...

[PennSkinsFan]

1600 rushing 550 receiving

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

i dont expect either, seeing that we will be up against 3 tough defense.....however, as the majority has stated, i just hope he scores 25+ TDs and we win some ball games.....(although i would love to see him break the 1500 yard mark again so that we can show EVERYONE that it wasnt just denver's system!)

[portis1500]

I would expect Portis' yards per carry to decrease this year. It will be a new system, and it is very hard to rack up 5.5ypc. Does anyone on this board know how many carries the lead back has typically gotten in Gibbs' system?

[redwolf1218]

I would expect Portis' yards per carry to decrease this year. It will be a new system, and it is very hard to rack up 5.5ypc. Does anyone on this board know how many carries the lead back has typically gotten in Gibbs' system?
he breaks a lot of long ones though. that's why his average is so high. i think he led the league in runs of over 60 yards, or something like that.

[flave1969]

I think we may well rush for 2000+ yards but as a team. Look for Portis to run between 1300-1500 off those yards at around 4.5 yards a pop. Joe Gibbs loves to spread the load. Do not be surprised if you see Morton and Cartwright get a lot of third down/ short yardage play. Portis will profit from playing for Joe Gibbs that is for sure because teams will never be able to load up against the run for fear of a pass to the H-Back, runners out of the backfield, or our talented receiver pack.