Taylor fires agent

[PennSkinsFan]

Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A5751-2004May5.html)

[TwistyNiblet]

Taylor, who could not be reached to comment, is now free to sign with another agent, raising the possibility he could choose Carl and Kevin Poston
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

[dj_stouty]

He won't hire the Postens, if he knows what is best for him...

[rskinsfan10]

Man, the blood is filling my mouth at an alarming rate as I bite my tongue with this development.

[akhhorus]

you know he'll hire the Postons, you just know it.

[LATrueRedskin]

Not good at all. If the Postons believe Winslow should get "Lebron James money", what do you think they're gonna want for Taylor? I seriously hope Taylor doesnt hire the Postons. Very bad news.

[RedskinsVision]

Skins' fans should pickett in front of Taylor's house w/ the signs "Postons: Just Say NO!"

can u imagine the negotiating power the Postons would have if they sign him?? Winslow then Taylor!? u know they're going to say the same BS rhetoric about how Taylor was #1 on some teams boards and deserve such money! this is getting testy. :imshock:

[Dexter72]

Skins' fans should pickett in front of Taylor's house w/ the signs "Postons: Just Say NO!"

can u imagine the negotiating power the Postons would have if they sign him?? Winslow then Taylor!? u know they're going to say the same BS rhetoric about how Taylor was #1 on some teams boards and deserve such money! this is getting testy. :imshock:

Yep...I can't believe 3 first rounders chose them as agents...What is wrong with people? I don't get the firing of Rosenhaus...based on the timing, you have to wonder whether it was 1) pre-meditated/planned or 2) the result of where he was drafted -- as in too low...

[RedskinsVision]

it can't be cuz he was drafted too low.. then Winslow has every right to fire the Postons since they claim he was #1 on some teams boards and fell to 6 especially when they were hoping to go #5 to us. this is strange.. Gibbs was even talking about Rosenhaus during Taylor's press conference as well. hope this doesn't come back to bite him.. or us.

[NCskinsfanatic]

Im seriously worried about the outcome here. If Sean Taylor selects the Postons, to me he knows whay kind of message that sends the FO. I wouldnt think he would want to start out like that with a long holdout,making for a messy situation and strained relationship from the jump. I sure hope he picks anyone but the Postons.

[LATrueRedskin]

This is just no good

[hail2skins]

This should be interesting and some of you may get upset when it's announced who he has hired. What's even more interesting and hasn't been mentioned or speculated is why he was fired. I can only say that this will be interesting.

[kastofsna]

Postons have a lot of clients in the NFL. It's not like every one of them has sat out.

[CowboyKilla]

He's smart man, I think he'll make a good choice. Maybe it's also to make his "own name" Portis, his boy, also has Rosenhaus. Under Portis' shadow?
I dont' know, maybe he stepped on his white sneakers, caught drew eyeing mrs. taylors cleavage, Who knows, Just don't hire the Evil Twins.

[Emmanouel8]

You guy's wanted him why cry? The Winslow supporters wanted him Poston's no Postons. Why don't we just stick w/ our guy and not worry about the behind the scenes drama the FO has to worry about.

[hogs86]

At Taylors press meeting he and Lavar exchange phone numbers maybe Lavar gave him there phone number.I wonder if Lavar is behind this???Lavar is thinking I will get my 6 mill.back!! :banger:

[Dexter72]

it can't be cuz he was drafted too low.. then Winslow has every right to fire the Postons since they claim he was #1 on some teams boards and fell to 6 especially when they were hoping to go #5 to us. this is strange.. Gibbs was even talking about Rosenhaus during Taylor's press conference as well. hope this doesn't come back to bite him.. or us.

I think the timing makes it interesting; maybe Sean had people telling him he was going in the top 3 and thought Rosenhaus didn't sell him hard enough, I don't know. ESPN did a piece on Rothlisberger, covering the days leading up to draft day and draft day...I was surprised at the relationship between Rothlisberger and Steinberg -- maybe I watched Jerry Maguire one too many times, but it really seemed like they barely knew each other... it seems odd that you would fire a 'superagent' so quickly -- they probably barely had dealt with each other.

[RedskinsVision]

Postons related news on C. Woodson and J. Peterson

http://www.timesstar.com/Stories/0,1413,125~11080~2128163,00.html

Woodson, Peterson will sit until offered better deals

They are unhappy they have been tagged as exclusive franchise players, designations that assure them of the average salary of the top five players at their positions but keep them off the free-agent market. Both want to sign long-term contracts. They are represented by agents Kevin and Carl Poston, who have become known for the hard bargains they drive on behalf of their clients.

Why, he asks rhetorically, should a player be paid the average of the top five salaries at his position when, in fact, he might be among the top two or three at his position, if not the best?

on the O. Pace situation..

"Anyone that knows football would tell you the value of a left tackle," Poston said. "Peyton Manning goes out and gets $98 million, gets $35 million to sign. Orlando Pace is being told that asking for $71 million is way too much. If those two guys are $30 million apart in value, then I need to get out of this business."

[BandWagon]

uh oh...

[skinswin]

I'm sure the skins have advised him that going with the Postons is not an option. :sun:

[IowaSkinsFan]

Come on Eugene Parker!

[War Hogg]

I really think everyone needs to pump thier brakes (including myself!) and just enjoy what these people bring to the team and stop worrying about what color jock straps these guys wear or whether or not they allow someone to make money off of their jersey sells..We seem to getting a little paparazzish! (made up word!).
I know everyone here wants what is in the best interests for the team but, this is a business. If Taylor feels as though the Postons will represent him better or that they will push for that extra couple million dollars for a signing bonus....then more power too him!
IM NOT GONNA PAY his childrens way through college or pay off his parents debts, or send him a dollar if he blows out his knee! So what ever his choice is, it shouldnt change our view on him as our new free safety.... just my three cents...

[RedskinsVision]

this is not gonna change any real fans views on Taylor.. we know this is business. he'll get top 5 money regardless who his agent is. we just like to get on the Postons case cuz they like to get on teams cases.. and nerves. go to extremeskins and read the responses there.. many more members w/ many more opinions but not many telling those fans to not care about the subject. if we can't discuss about these things then we don't need to be here do we? no one cares to hold this dude's jock strap.. its just fun football talk. ;)

[War Hogg]

this is not gonna change any real fans views on Taylor.. we know this is business. he'll get top 5 money regardless who his agent is. we just like to get on the Postons case cuz they like to get on teams cases.. and nerves. go to extremeskins and read the responses there.. many more members w/ many more opinions but not many telling those fans to not care about the subject. if we can't discuss about these things then we don't need to be here do we? no one cares to hold this dude's jock strap.. its just fun football talk. ;)

Understood,and I agree that this is the place for every topic and opinion including my own.

[RedskinsVision]

i like ur opinions cuz its usually the devil's advocate version which we need :beer:

ok now on w/ the panic-stricken talk of the Postons! LOL.. i think the writer just put that there to scare the fans.. he really had no basis or a source for writing that.. he's turning into Pastabelli and Peter Queen!

[sdredskinsfan]

you know he'll hire the Postons, you just know it.

I have that feeling too. I also have the feeling that Arrington is influencing him.

[Shenadoah]

Unless the team makes some major cuts around June first were going to have some more issues come July when we only have $3 million to split amongst four rookies. Can you say holdout Boys & Girls? :cool:

[Patrick]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm .... My question is ..... Why are some of you so surprised???? Did you think signing this kid was going to be easy (or cheap). .... A top 5 pick, who's head has been filled with "You're the best...."

This was another reason why I thought it would be to our best interest in trading down.

Time of get the vasoline out and bend over ................ but don' be surprised!!!!

[redwolf1218]

man you guys get up early. i just read the post. funny how we are just finding out about it when it happened 2 days after the draft.

[GolfFreak]

Yeah, you would think it would've been report sooner seeing how the draft was two weeks ago. I can't believe this, we don't need added pressure this offseason w/ a long holdout or anything. I don't care who his agent is as long as he's in camp on time.

[vegeta2364]

maybe he will choose parker. it was interesting that he fired him after the draft so we would sign him wihtout a problem and then get poston for some big money that we dont have... bye the way what do yall think the cap will be for next season

[bosshog001]

I'm staying optimistic this morning. There are plenty of other agents out there besides the Postons.

[LavarBabyDaddy]

If he does hire the postons, why dont we give him a ton of money anyway? With or without the postons hes gonna want a ton of money, does anyone think Rosenhaus is a saint? I say, give him the money now so we can keep him when his contract is up, unlike champ

[SkinzFan4Life]

I think we all need to wait and see. I dont want the Postons either but the story is the one making a fuss. If it wasn't for Lavar, no one would care that he fired his agent. So i think that its premature to start say oh no, because there is no indication that Taylor will take Poston vs. Parker. The story is taking this out of proportion by infering that the Postons will be his choice for agents so lets just wait and see, Taylor seems like he has good football sense so i dont know if he would make a bone head decision like that.

[hockeygoalie29]

Unless the team makes some major cuts around June first were going to have some more issues come July when we only have $3 million to split amongst four rookies. Can you say holdout Boys & Girls? :cool:

There is a rookie cap, like a cap within a cap, which limits the skins to around 3 mil anyways.

[hockeygoalie29]

on the O. Pace situation..

"Anyone that knows football would tell you the value of a left tackle," Poston said. "Peyton Manning goes out and gets $98 million, gets $35 million to sign. Orlando Pace is being told that asking for $71 million is way too much. If those two guys are $30 million apart in value, then I need to get out of this business."

Wow, that quote alone demonstrates my opinion of the Postons.

[Redskinfan28]

Sean Taylor pulled one over on the Redskins. Snyder has to be pissed. At least now we know why LaVar was at Taylor's PC.

If Taylor hires the Postons and gets to camp on time, I would be very surprised.

[Dolla Bill]

No need to be alarmed. Maybe there was a disagreement between his agent and himself. There are no details yet, so who knows?

[hockeygoalie29]

This happend right after the draft and it's just now getting to the media?

[redwolf1218]

remember when ramsey had his brief holdout and there was some discussion of trading him? if taylor holds out, would and of you trade him?

[MDSkins]

This should not be that complicated folks. We have 4 draft picks and the rookie pool to work with, so it is clear that Taylor will probably get 70% of it, Cooley 20%, with the lineman getting the rest.

The interesting salary negotiations will occur once this deal is done and he has proven his publicity.

[hockeygoalie29]

This should not be that complicated folks. We have 4 draft picks and the rookie pool to work with, so it is clear that Taylor will probably get 70% of it, Cooley 20%, with the lineman getting the rest.

The interesting salary negotiations will occur once this deal is done and he has proven his publicity.

Agreed, I'm not to worried about signing him this year, his salary should be pretty much set, but resigning him in a few years could be difficult depending on his choice of agents. I can hear the Potons now..."Freddy Adu is making $150 million and he is the best player in that league, Taylor is said by some to be the best in the NFL so HE should get at LEAST that much"... or how about..."The King of (insert country here) is worth 100 billion dollars, would you rather have him on you team or Taylor? I think the choice is obvious"... Dear Lord...

[redwolf1218]

from the wash post:
"The Redskins have the eighth-lowest rookie salary pool allocation in this year's draft -- roughly $3.1 million for the four players they drafted. The rookie pool is essentially a cap within a cap, limiting what a team can pay draft picks. The pool has increased only about 2 percent, and a rookie can sign a maximum six-year deal..."

[hail2skins]

Boy, you folks are really pulling out the conspiracy theories aren't you. Lavar being at the press conference is an indication that some back door deals were taking place. So you actually think he hired Rosenhaus to please the Redskins knowing he would fire him and then sign on with the Postons to screw the Skins because of Lavar's grievance? If that were the case, then I would think that Taylor isn't the player we wanted.

He was a top 5 pick so there's always signability issues no matter who the agent is.

[REDMAN]

We as Fans do not like the Postons but they keep on getting franchise Players for clients. they must be doing something right for their clients. So many wanted Taylor so stick with him now. he has not even chosen another agent.

[PA Skins Girl]

IF he chooses the Postons, I definitely smell a RAT. That would be an incredibly underhanded move from him. Right now, I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt. If he takes the Postons though, I will always feel like he pulled one over on us - even if he does sign and get to camp on time.

[redwolf1218]

i'm really tired of all the apparent cloak and dagger, controversy, etc. surrounding these hyped up athletes and agents. it does smell like a rat, and there is reason for alarm. red flags are being raised and they cant be ignored. sometimes perception is 90% of reality. ok enough cliches. if he pulled this move to end up with the postons and he holds out of camp for some crazy poston rationale, like "the skins have the 8th lowest rookie pool" or " someone tried to trade up to 4 to get him" or whatever, i hope they trade him.

[PennSkinsFan]

Hope to heck we are not seeing the beginning of a holdout.

[padraic]

Agreed, I'm not to worried about signing him this year, his salary should be pretty much set, but resigning him in a few years could be difficult depending on his choice of agents. I can hear the Potons now..."Freddy Adu is making $150 million and he is the best player in that league, Taylor is said by some to be the best in the NFL so HE should get at LEAST that much"... or how about..."The King of (insert country here) is worth 100 billion dollars, would you rather have him on you team or Taylor? I think the choice is obvious"... Dear Lord...

This is the best post today very funny kudos.

[PA Skins Girl]

When we leave this world, we leave only one thing behind, our reputation. For me, it all comes down to INTEGRITY. I dont want to accuse him of anything, because he hasnt done anything. But, Sean, please dont jeopardize your reputation and self respect.

[Jon Creveling]

We'll see how this plays out, don't think we should overreact at the moment! Of more interest to me is how does Gibbs feel? Forget for a second the Taylor draftday propaganda, the man looked torn between Taylor and KW2! Had joked that Gibbs flipped a coin while the team was on the clock! But check it out, if both sides of the coin came up "POSTONS" would Joe's pick have been the same??????

[Redskinfan28]

I'm all about overreacting; its fun.

If we drafted Winslow and he did this, then some of you would be demanding that we trade him now.

I hope Taylor selects me as his agent. I would hold him out until all the members on this board get box seats at Fed Ex.

[redwolf1218]

i think the skins would have traded down if both sides of the coin came up "postons". they could have gotten wilfork and watson (as tightend) and still get cooley for hback.

[skinswin]

Well..if Arrington has influenced Taylor to hire the Postons then I hope Taylor will watch and learn as time goes by because Arrington (premodona ) hasn't done squat really and isn't that far away from being removed from this team.

Arrington had better show serious growth this year because he makes too much money not to.

So..if Taylor wants to really learn something from Arrington then he needs to keep watching because Arrington can teach him how to get his a$$ thrown off a team.

[Skins57]

you know he'll hire the Postons, you just know it.


Why do I believe you are right? If he does.....aggghhhhh nevermind

[RedskinRyan]

i dont believe that taylor will pick the postons. i think that he could go with eugene parker. i dont see him pissing off the skins, cause i think he wants to be there playing for gibbs.

[hockeygoalie29]

Why is it that Parker and the Postons are the only agents being considered to be potential replacements? He has a TON to choose from. Just because they were the other two ranked for KW2 by the skins doesn't mean Taylor will pick one of them. Also, I am assuming no ill will was intended and no conspiracy is underway until I hear about this further...

[Keino]

I don't care for the Postons, or agents in general to be honest, but I am having a hard time wondering why people cannot take Gibbs for his word that choosing Taylor over Winslow was a football decision and that all non-football issues had no impact.

If I were a 1st round type football player (or athlete in general) I wouldn't hire an agent. I would pay a Lawyer to negotiate my contract at his hourly rate and maybe retain him to field endorsement calls. Damn giving someone a percentage of my earnings.

[PennSkinsFan]

Well..if Arrington has influenced Taylor to hire the Postons then I hope Taylor will watch and learn as time goes by because Arrington (premodona ) hasn't done squat really and isn't that far away from being removed from this team.

Arrington had better show serious growth this year because he makes too much money not to.

So..if Taylor wants to really learn something from Arrington then he needs to keep watching because Arrington can teach him how to get his a$$ thrown off a team.

How can you equate Arrington's play ability to who he hired as his agent. Yoru argument is assuming that Arrington's career has not fulfilled what we all thought because Poston's represent him. That is the farthest thing from the truth. As far as quality of play, players, and players only, are responsible for their on field performance.

As far as Arrington being close to be thrown off the team, I simply don't get that at all. Arrington is about as safe as anyone wearing a Redskins uniform right now.

[ConradCountry]

No matter who Taylor hires as his agent I am just excited to see him on the field. I tune in on Sunday to watch Taylor not who ever his agent is.

A few things that may make Taylor not want to miss camp or hold out.

1. The Direction the team is heading and the return of Gibbs, Taylor might want to get in on the bottom floor of what is happening in DC and despite players want to get paid they also want to win.

2. Taylor has friends on the team like Clinton Portis and he might not want to damage his relationship with these players by hurting the team.

3. From what I have seen Taylor has carried himslef with class and integrity through his career and into the draft. Perhaps he was just unpleased with the representation he was being given. I will trust in the player to do what he needs to do to feel secure an play better.

[MAATOPDOGG]

Hmmm...Remember LaVar exchanged cell phone numbers w/ Taylor...after practice they had a little talk.

Sike...Portis was a big reason the Skins drafted Taylor. Portis is friends w/ Taylor and surely was the guy that got Taylor signed up w/ Rosenhaus. What player would not sign with Rosenhaus...he is the best agent. Look what Rosenhaus did for Portis...got him out of a $300,000 year contract and made him the highest paid RB, then look what he did for Willis McGahee...the kid had a broken knee and Rosenhaus got him drafted in the 1st round, and we all know what he did with Jevon Kearse...got huim signed up w/ the Eagles to a HUGE contract even though he has not played a full season in 2 years.

So, considering that plus the fact the Portis is good friends with Taylor I am shocked that this happened.

Who knows what is going to happen but someone needs to remind Taylor that Gibbs and all the fans have very high expectations of him on the field and off the field...including the negotiation meetings.

[RedskinsVision]

adding on to the conspiracy theory.. if he does choose the Postons it's clearly obvious Lavar had something to do w/ it.. being at his press conference while Portis, who is a Rosenhaus client, was not is one thing.. but Lavar talking all the hype over Taylor like he's the 2nd coming of Christ is another. remember how Lavar said, "I don't think we're going to see another player (safety) like him in my lifetime.".. now that's overhyping a player on his behalf.

remember this about the Postons as well.. most of their clients scored real low on the Wonderlic suspecting a lot of FO members around the league to think they purposely target the below average intelligent players and give them a resounding sense that they'll be taken care of and won't have to worry about anything outside the football field.. some examples here..

http://www.patsfans.com/bob/display_story.php?story_id=2418

An anonymous NFL Insider used the word "Moron" in describing Arrington. How then would you describe the Postons for making this kind of error? Start with "negligent" and "derelict" and go on from there.

The adjective that person used to describe Arrington helps segue into an interesting analysis of Poston clients which came out recently. The article showed six of the high profile Poston clients currently involved in contract issues along with their Wonderlic test scores. The six players, Pace, Law, Arrington, Charles Woodson (Raiders), Ian Gold (Broncos) and Julian Peterson (49ers), all had an average Wonderlic score of a 15.5, which the Pro Football Weekly article said placed the players "somewhere between mildly autistic donkey" and "pile of cracked bricks" on the overall intelligence scale. To top it off, Lion receiver Charles Rogers, the third pick in the 2003 draft, had a Wonderlic score of 10, which the article states "puts him in a position to outwit a handful of moist soil."

http://www.jdnews.com/SiteProcessor.cfm?Template=/GlobalTemplates/Details.cfm&StoryID=22090&Section=Sports

Signability could be a problem with Gamble

Gamble in represented by Carl and Kevin Poston, who are notorious for waging ugly contract holdouts and being extremely difficult to negotiate with. Like any agents, the Postons simply want to get the most money they can for their clients, but several general managers around the league say their demands are often excessive.

In Gamble's test scores: The Panthers last season boasted about many of their draft picks being "intelligent players."

Jordan Gross, for example, scored 39 out of a possible 50 on the Wonderlick Intelligence Test. By contrast, Gamble scored just a nine on his test.

Gamble's major at Ohio State? Sports and leisure.

In fact, it was the Postons who advised rookie running back Tshimanga Biakabutuka in 1996 to hold out of training camp until he got a fair contract from the Carolina Panthers.

That developed into a highly publicized and extremely volatile holdout with then-Panthers general manager Bill Polian that lasted 31 days. After missing all of training camp, Biakabutuka tore the ACL in his knee early in his rookie season and never developed into the star they hoped he'd become.

[PA Skins Girl]

IF he does go with the Postons, my guess is the Postons are behind it, not Lavar. I wouldnt put it past the Postons to call Sean and talk him into changing agents; maybe even offering to take a lesser percentage; just to screw over the Skins for the whole Winslow and Arrington thing.

[AGibbsGirl]

Well I've had the benefit of reading 5 pages worth of everyone's opinions on this, and I only have two things to say:

1) There's only so much money to be had and Brunell has the bulk of it (:D)

2) I wanted a TE anyway, because I think we've already got two good safeties. (IMO!!!! Don't throw anything...http://www.industreal.spb.ru/smiles/wife.gif)
Let Taylor sit out, if that's what happens.

Iffy can start working on that FS position!

[akhhorus]

Well I've had the benefit of reading 5 pages worth of everyone's opinions on this, and I only have two things to say:

1) There's only so much money to be had and Brunell has the bulk of it (:D)

Iffy can start working on that FS position!

1) Brunell isnt making that much this year
2) Iffy isnt a FS, he's a Strong Safety
3) Everyone needs to calm down, he hasnt picked the Postons.

[hail2skins]

i think the skins would have traded down if both sides of the coin came up "postons". they could have gotten wilfork and watson (as tightend) and still get cooley for hback.

and what if either of them had hired the Postons as their agent?

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

sorry if this has been posted already, i didnt feel like scanning all 5 pages....but in no shape or form did the article actually say that taylor was going to hire the postons. it just brought up the fact that there is a possibility. i wouldnt get too upset about this. hopefully taylor is smart enough to look around the league (and even at his own teammate) to realize that trouble follows the postons. if he signs with them, he might as well forget getting his money anytime soon.

[redwolf1218]

and what if either of them had hired the Postons as their agent?
i dont understand the question, but whichever one had hired the postons i would not take, i'd take the other one, and if both hired the postons i'd trade down. i kind of wanted them to trade down anyway.

edit: ok i understand, you mean what if either of the guys after trading down had hired the postons... i would not pick them. if they ended up being good, the postons could potentially start another controversy similar to the ones in which ty law and orlando pace are embroiled.

[hail2skins]

So you are saying we should avoid all players in the draft that hire the Postons as their agent.

I meant if either of the dlinemen had them as their agent.

[RedskinsVision]

this thread is 5 pages?? mine is 2.. guess it depends on screen resolution.

ok ok.. *lets all take a moment of silence* .. zzzz ... zzzz *cricket*

it was fun debating all our innuendos.. but now we should just wait and see who Taylor chooses b4 we start up again.

P.S. Just Say NO to Postons! :goofy:

[redwolf1218]

So you are saying we should avoid all players in the draft that hire the Postons as their agent.

I meant if either of the dlinemen had them as their agent.
yes that is my opinion.

[Jon Creveling]

Vision, thank you for the Links! The first one almost makes it out that the brothers seek out the talented and braindead. It would be interesting to see their client list!

[hail2skins]

yes that is my opinion.

You are entitled to your opinion, I just wanted to make sure that I understood what you were saying. I diagree with your opinion but that's fine.

I don't think we should avoid players because of their agents. It would lead us to draft at positions that aren't a need and make all of us unhappy and I'm sure that's not what we want as fans.

[RedskinsVision]

ur very welcome.. just tryin to show how they like to operate. it would be very sad if another Tim Biakabatuka incident happens again.. if another player who holds out then comes in an tears an ACL or something to that extreme than more people will take notice that holding out can lead to an easy injury.. not saying thats always the case but it increases the chances and these agents are willing to risk that in holding out for more dough.

[redwolf1218]

You are entitled to your opinion, I just wanted to make sure that I understood what you were saying. I diagree with your opinion but that's fine.

I don't think we should avoid players because of their agents. It would lead us to draft at positions that aren't a need and make all of us unhappy and I'm sure that's not what we want as fans.
i understand where you're coming from. it's just that i can't look the other way and ignore the red flags. the things gene upshaw has said about them, the things they have said about winslow, and about pace's contract having something to do with peyton manning's contract, and about gibbs "not sleeping well tonight"...i think they are unstable. i hope lavar gets rid of them, or they are banned or reprimanded somehow, before he is due his 12.414 cap hit in 2006.

[hockeygoalie29]

i understand where you're coming from. it's just that i can't look the other way and ignore the red flags. the things gene upshaw has said about them, the things they have said about winslow, and about pace's contract having something to do with peyton manning's contract, and about gibbs "not sleeping well tonight"...i think they are unstable. i hope lavar gets rid of them, or they are banned or reprimanded somehow, before he is due his 12.414 cap hit in 2006.

I wouldn't doubt it at all if they are reprimanded by the players union for the whole Lavar issue. Didn't they also have someone else in the same situation? I don't know, all I know is that there are 4 or 5 agents in hot water with the union right now.

[redwolf1218]

I wouldn't doubt it at all if they are reprimanded by the players union for the whole Lavar issue. Didn't they also have someone else in the same situation? I don't know, all I know is that there are 4 or 5 agents in hot water with the union right now.
it seems like every time i read something about the postons, or a quote from them, my jaw drops. i just wouldnt take the chance right now, and i'm not sure i agree with drafting solely for "need" anyway. sometimes you take the best available rather than reach for needs, especially if you've addressed a lot of needs through free agency.

[War Hogg]

I don't care for the Postons, or agents in general to be honest, but I am having a hard time wondering why people cannot take Gibbs for his word that choosing Taylor over Winslow was a football decision and that all non-football issues had no impact.

If I were a 1st round type football player (or athlete in general) I wouldn't hire an agent. I would pay a Lawyer to negotiate my contract at his hourly rate and maybe retain him to field endorsement calls. Damn giving someone a percentage of my earnings.

Im sure some one has tried this and Im sure they are broke now! lol! This is like buying a house without a broker.

[redwolf1218]

Im sure some one has tried this and Im sure they are broke now! lol! This is like buying a house without a broker.
i'm sure some of them have backgrounds in law. i think the skins old negotiator joe mendes was a lawyer if i'm not mistaken. but that's a good idea. the agents are getting out of hand. i think the nfl is the classiest of all pro sports, with the salary cap and the relationship between the league and the players union, the rules on taunting and such.... i dont like these agents rising above the players and the sport and turning it into some kind of low class, world-wrestling-federation-type grand-standing.

[Redskinfan28]

Its pretty easy to become an agent, at least if you are already a lawyer. You have to get certified, but it is not that long of a process. I didn't do it because after I passed the Bar, I didn't want to to see any more paperwork.

[redwolf1218]

You are entitled to your opinion, I just wanted to make sure that I understood what you were saying. I diagree with your opinion but that's fine.

I don't think we should avoid players because of their agents. It would lead us to draft at positions that aren't a need and make all of us unhappy and I'm sure that's not what we want as fans.
i dont generally agree with drafting out of need and i feel like the postons might eventually make all of us unhappy.

[redwolf1218]

Its pretty easy to become an agent, at least if you are already a lawyer. You have to get certified, but it is not that long of a process. I didn't do it because after I passed the Bar, I didn't want to to see any more paperwork.
i dont know anything about law, but i read a long explanation on the nflpa website about contracts. all the ramifications of incentives and such, the rules with the nflpa...it seemed incredibly complicated.

[garedskin]

Big deal. The guy can choose whom ever he wants to represent him.I dont see what all the fuss is about.He will get payed and play for us.

[Keino]

Im sure some one has tried this and Im sure they are broke now! lol! This is like buying a house without a broker.


Interesting, especially since My comment was any athlete (Not just football). 2 Examples I can think oif off-hand are Ray Allen and Grant Hill. Neither have agents, both retained attorneys, both have shoe and other endorsements, neither are broke.

As for your house comment, I must be an idiot. Not only did I not use a broker to buy my house, but I paid 20K under market for it AND it has more than doubled in value in the 5 years I've owned it. Tell me again why I needed a Broker who gets paid on a commission which means the higher the sales price the more he gets?
I will not use a broker to sell my house either. WHy should I pay 6% to an agent for doing what I can do myself? Why should I give up the equity I've earned to pay somebody to put a listing on the MLS?
People retain brokers for convenience not out of necessity. Athletes retain agents because they don't know any better.

[redwolf1218]

I dont see what all the fuss is about.
i think it's because we dont have anything else to talk about.

[Avg Joe]

It really must be the offseason cause any ole thing can turn into a big discussion. Who cares who his agent is. Who knows why he fired Rosenhaus. It would be silly to speculate on anything. And questioning his character is even more silly. We don't know that dude from a can of paint, and his choice of agent sure isn't going to give us any insight into what kind of person he is. I couldn't care less who is agent is. We don't like holdouts, but alot of players do and eventually they sign. I just want the dude to make plays on the field, whenever he gets there.

[ex-Bullfrog]

I expect him to go with the Postons. In fact, I'll bet they told him they're gonna play him against Winslow (and vice versa) to inflate each player's contract. Remember, they're expected to seek higher than #6 pick money because some teams had Winslow "rated #1 on their board". Now, how much more should the guy that the 'Skins chose over Winslow get???
This has the potential to be bad, really bad.

[redwolf1218]

I expect him to go with the Postons. In fact, I'll bet they told him they're gonna play him against Winslow (and vice versa) to inflate each player's contract. Remember, they're expected to seek higher than #6 pick money because some teams had Winslow "rated #1 on their board". Now, how much more should the guy that the 'Skins chose over Winslow get???
This has the potential to be bad, really bad.
thats a scary thought.

[War Hogg]

i'm sure some of them have backgrounds in law. i think the skins old negotiator joe mendes was a lawyer if i'm not mistaken. but that's a good idea. the agents are getting out of hand. i think the nfl is the classiest of all pro sports, with the salary cap and the relationship between the league and the players union, the rules on taunting and such.... i dont like these agents rising above the players and the sport and turning it into some kind of low class, world-wrestling-federation-type grand-standing.

Having a degree or being a lawyer as oposed to being an agent are two different things totally. You could be Johnny Cochran and not know how to negotiate a deal. Agents not only have to be experts at the legal ramifactions of these contracts but also a hell of a salesman!

[War Hogg]

Interesting, especially since My comment was any athlete (Not just football). 2 Examples I can think oif off-hand are Ray Allen and Grant Hill. Neither have agents, both retained attorneys, both have shoe and other endorsements, neither are broke.

As for your house comment, I must be an idiot. Not only did I not use a broker to buy my house, but I paid 20K under market for it AND it has more than doubled in value in the 5 years I've owned it. Tell me again why I needed a Broker who gets paid on a commission which means the higher the sales price the more he gets?
I will not use a broker to sell my house either. WHy should I pay 6% to an agent for doing what I can do myself? Why should I give up the equity I've earned to pay somebody to put a listing on the MLS?
People retain brokers for convenience not out of necessity. Athletes retain agents because they don't know any better.

Thats great, and I purchased my home with out a broker also! lol! Maybe I should have used the analogy of "representing yourself in a murder trial as opposed to hiring a lawyer!" The difference is that instead of negotiating the purchase price, your negotiating your worth. My point was.. sure you could go to the law library while your waiting to stand trial...but wouldnt it make more sense to hire an attorney who has fought countless cases of your kind instead of winging it and putting your life on the line! Just makes sense to me....

[VirginiaRedskin]

You are right, it is a business and some of us contribute quite a bit towards it. As season ticket holders, loyal fans and supporters, we are paying into this entertainment industry and have every right to expect the best possible product every Sunday. I have no problem with Taylor making money, but this hypothetical Postons hiring has the potential to turn into him missing training camp and not being fit for the season. A rookie that misses too much will never catch up until his second year at best. Yes, he has the right to sign any agent, but also has to accept all consequences due to that action including fan ridicule.

[Keino]

Thats great, and I purchased my home with out a broker also! lol! Maybe I should have used the analogy of "representing yourself in a murder trial as opposed to hiring a lawyer!" The difference is that instead of negotiating the purchase price, your negotiating your worth. My point was.. sure you could go to the law library while your waiting to stand trial...but wouldnt it make more sense to hire an attorney who has fought countless cases of your kind instead of winging it and putting your life on the line! Just makes sense to me....

How is a Lawyer less knowledgable about contracts than an agent? I understand your point, I think a better analogy would've been Tax Return Prep. Some people save themselves $250 bucks while costing themselves Thousands of dollars because they don't understand all the complexities of tax prep that a Cpa would or should.
Lawyers are trained to make persuasive arguments. Moreover, lawyers who are skilled at labor negotiation/contract law would have very little problem adapting to the intricacies that come with negotiating a Professional Sports Contract. The difference is the attorney doesn't get a percentage of your worth. Again, this is just what I would do, but I don't mind peforming my own due dilligence when it comes to my finacial future. You think a Lawyer can't sit with you on draft day and pretend to be fielding calls from interested teams the way agents do?

[redwolf1218]

i'm not sure how much of a salesman an agent needs to be when everyone has game film to watch, coaches and team mates to interview, workout/combine results to compare....

[rskinsfan10]

Well, the Suicide Watch is officially underway. I thought that it could have been avoided when Taylor was selected over Winslow, but I was wrong. Man, this is very entertaining.

[rskinsfan10]

I don't care for the Postons, or agents in general to be honest, but I am having a hard time wondering why people cannot take Gibbs for his word that choosing Taylor over Winslow was a football decision and that all non-football issues had no impact.

They will only believe what they want to believe my friend. It apparently depends on the subject whether or not Gibbs is to be believed.

[redwolf1218]

They will only believe what they want to believe my friend. It apparently depends on the subject whether or not Gibbs is to be believed.
no one is calling gibbs a liar. the comment has been taken out of context to a certain extent. the article stated that gibbs said the agent was not a factor to him, but it went on to say that others in the redskins organization werent so sure. i had a mental image of several people being involved in the decision, making comments, voicing concerns, weighing pros and cons, addressing different variables, and to some, the choice of agents may have been a factor, while to gibbs it was not.

[rskinsfan10]

no one is calling gibbs a liar. the comment has been taken out of context to a certain extent. the article stated that gibbs said the agent was not a factor to him, but it went on to say that others in the redskins organization werent so sure. i had a mental image of several people being involved in the decision, making comments, voicing concerns, weighing pros and cons, addressing different variables, and to some, the choice of agents may have been a factor, while to gibbs it was not.

Did you read any article that stated that the choices in the draft were made by anyone other then Gibbs? Regardless of what someone who doesn't have the guts to give his name may say to some reporter about others input, the final decision rested with Gibbs, and Gibbs only. And for the umpteenth time, he has said that it wasn't a factor.

You don't have to call him a liar, maybe that's too strong. Try fibber, or truth stretcher. Whatever floats your boat.

[redwolf1218]

Did you read any article that stated that the choices in the draft were made by anyone other then Gibbs? Regardless of what someone who doesn't have the guts to give his name may say to some reporter about others input, the final decision rested with Gibbs, and Gibbs only. And for the umpteenth time, he has said that it wasn't a factor.

You don't have to call him a liar, maybe that's too strong. Try fibber, or truth stretcher. Whatever floats your boat.
no i'm just saying, if the position coaches, and everyone else in the organization who had input, suggested the agent as a factor, which gibbs would not realize having been away for 12 years, and trusting their judgement he might listen...i just dont see gibbs saying "the decision is all mine!" i just dont think he'd ignore everyone's input, and he didnt say it was not a concern of anyone in the entire redskins organization, he just said it was not a concern of his personally, which is understandable from a pure football standpoint.

[rskinsfan10]

no i'm just saying, if the position coaches, and everyone else in the organization who had input, suggested the agent as a factor, which gibbs would not realize having been away for 12 years, and trusting their judgement he might listen...i just dont see gibbs saying "the decision is all mine!"

You seem to forget that Gibbs was actively involved with the Falcons. Also, you can't really believe that while he was racing cars he wasn't paying attention to what was going on in the league, do you?

As much as you anti-Poston guys act as though you know any and everything it is to know about the guys, I'm sure Gibbs could have relied on the same info that you all got yours from, right?

[War Hogg]

i'm not sure how much of a salesman an agent needs to be when everyone has game film to watch, coaches and team mates to interview, workout/combine results to compare....

If all those things constitute how much a team should pay a player (so cut and dried) then why do players even use agents? I guess they should just bring some reference letters from thier sunday school teachers and a video tape of thier last 50 games to the negotion table. If agents were'nt negotiators thier would be any holdouts!...come on man....

[Ramsey2Moss]

All I know is that Sean Taylor thoroughly wants to be a Redskin, and stay that way. He won't hold out no matter what. Just wait and see. If the Postons bull some bullcrap, I bet Taylor dumps him too, even though I liked Rosenhaus.

[rskinsfan10]

Didn't someone say that they hope that he chooses Parker? That's interesting, especially since he was the one that fleeced the Redskins with Deion Sanders' contract, then fleeced them again when he held firm in his clients stance that he didn't want to return any of that signing bonus money back.

[redwolf1218]

You seem to forget that Gibbs was actively involved with the Falcons. Also, you can't really believe that while he was racing cars he wasn't paying attention to what was going on in the league, do you?

As much as you anti-Poston guys act as though you know any and everything it is to know about the guys, I'm sure Gibbs could have relied on the same info that you all got yours from, right?
naw man i'm not trying to get you all mad or anything, or trying to change your opinion. i have no idea what gibbs' part ownership relationship with the falcons involved. i have no idea how much attention he paid to agents while he was running a race team. i dont claim to know anything but what i read about the postons which always shocks me and leads me to believe they are deranged. i dont think i am the only person who would steer clear of them if at all possible.

[Axegrinder]

Look,he fired an agent.
He took a pee..........................Oh, the madness!
So what.He's been to mini camp,he's seen what's going on.Maybe he'll negotiate his own contract and save the %.It's info about his agent,not that he's holding out.Relax!!!!!
Jumping to conclusions can cause you ulcers.Worry about the bad news when it gets here.It's not here.
As far as the Postons go remember what Gene Upshaw said,Lavars contract situation is being evaluated.There will be situations addressed and agents held accountable for their poor representation.This will include the Postons.Just because you have a cloud,doesn't mean it's going to rain.

[redwolf1218]

If all those things constitute how much a team should pay a player (so cut and dried) then why do players even use agents? I guess they should just bring some reference letters from thier sunday school teachers and a video tape of thier last 50 games to the negotion table. If agents were'nt negotiators thier would be any holdouts!...come on man....
are we talking about free agents or slotted draft picks?

[PA Skins Girl]

Look,he fired an agent.
He took a pee..........................Oh, the madness!
So what.He's been to mini camp,he's seen what's going on.Maybe he'll negotiate his own contract and save the %.It's info about his agent,not that he's holding out.Relax!!!!!
Jumping to conclusions can cause you ulcers.Worry about the bad news when it gets here.It's not here.
As far as the Postons go remember what Gene Upshaw said,Lavars contract situation is being evaluated.There will be situations addressed and agents held accountable for their poor representation.This will include the Postons.Just because you have a cloud,doesn't mean it's going to rain.True.

[rskinsfan10]

naw man i'm not trying to get you all mad or anything, or trying to change your opinion. i have no idea what gibbs' part ownership relationship with the falcons involved. i have no idea how much attention he paid to agents while he was running a race team. i dont claim to know anything but what i read about the postons which always shocks me and leads me to believe they are deranged. i dont think i am the only person who would steer clear of them if at all possible.

I'm not mad. I have no reason to be. I'm actually quite giddy that there is even the slight possiblity that Taylor may choose the Postons. Best news I've read in about a week.

[redwolf1218]

man we do differ on that one. i am not at all excited about the prospect of taylor choosing the postons. but everyone else is right, totally hypothetical, no one has said he will choose the postons. a few have said they believe it will happen though. i digressed into the whole gibbs/postons/winslow/taylor thing. sorry to have gone off topic.

[hockeygoalie29]

no one is calling gibbs a liar. the comment has been taken out of context to a certain extent. the article stated that gibbs said the agent was not a factor to him, but it went on to say that others in the redskins organization werent so sure. i had a mental image of several people being involved in the decision, making comments, voicing concerns, weighing pros and cons, addressing different variables, and to some, the choice of agents may have been a factor, while to gibbs it was not.

Yo Red, check out this thread , I hashed out the same argument with rskin for about 2 or 3 pages starting on page 2. I've definately got your back on this one.

http://67.18.125.34/~hailreds/vbforum/showthread.php?t=11651&page=1&pp=15
from "One last nugget on the Winslow/Taylor debate"

I'm actually quite giddy that there is even the slight possiblity that Taylor may choose the Postons. Best news I've read in about a week.

You would actualy like him to sign with the Postons? Man, that's just asking for trouble.

[War Hogg]

How is a Lawyer less knowledgable about contracts than an agent? I understand your point, I think a better analogy would've been Tax Return Prep. Some people save themselves $250 bucks while costing themselves Thousands of dollars because they don't understand all the complexities of tax prep that a Cpa would or should.
Lawyers are trained to make persuasive arguments. Moreover, lawyers who are skilled at labor negotiation/contract law would have very little problem adapting to the intricacies that come with negotiating a Professional Sports Contract. The difference is the attorney doesn't get a percentage of your worth. Again, this is just what I would do, but I don't mind peforming my own due dilligence when it comes to my finacial future. You think a Lawyer can't sit with you on draft day and pretend to be fielding calls from interested teams the way agents do?

Understand and feel you. All Im saying is....put myself in an athletes shoes....coming out of college....im not gonna hire a lawyer (who doesnt specialize in the field) to negotiate my contract for a hefty fee when he's just gonna "ACT" like he's done this before! Im gonna hire someone who feeds his children from that profession.....just my rationale...I respect yours also..

[rskinsfan10]

Yo Red, check out this thread , I hashed out the same argument with rskin for about 2 or 3 pages. I've definately got your back on this one.

http://67.18.125.34/~hailreds/vbforum/showthread.php?t=11651&page=1&pp=15
from "One last nugget on the Winslow/Taylor debate"



You would actualy like him to sign with the Postons? Man, that's just asking for trouble.

Since you are rehashing old threads, you may find one where I stated that IMO all agents are the same, although pointing out that thread to REDWOLF is pretty funny since he posted in it. The only thing that makes me giddy about the possibilty is reading the reactions of those that act as though the Postons are the heir apparent to Bin Laden. It makes me giddy to read all of the Taylor Bandwagoners suddenly turn on him. The conspiracy theories, how he may have played the Redskins, etc. is ridiculously hilarious to me, and he hasn't even decided if he will hire them. It can only get better if and when he does. I'm not the only one laughing, believe you and me. I'm just the one that cares to be vocal about it.

[redwolf1218]

i have posted comments in a lot of threads. i cant get enough of talking with all of you people about the skins. everyone has a lot to offer to these discussions. sometimes people bring up good points in here that sway my opinion. at first i said taylor is just a safety, then i began to think he may be special. all i was trying to do was defend the fact that i wouldnt call gibbs a liar, and to say that yes i would understand anyone who would not want to deal with the postons.

[ShaggySkins]

This is some of the best news I've heard in a while. After just about everyone on this board ripped Winslow for picking the Postons because he wanted to rub it in the Skins faces. It now looks like the great Sean Taylor that could do no wrong and would be such a better citizen then Winslow could very well grab the Postons as his agents. For all the bashing of Winslow that occurred atleast he was upfront about who he wanted to represent him. I just hope Taylor doesn't hold out of camp. I also hope that the reason we drafted Taylor was because of his ability and not his agent. Because if we screwed up and let the Postons representing Winslow be the MAIN reason we took Taylor then Taylor and the Postons just made us look like complete idiots.

[hockeygoalie29]

Since you are rehashing old threads, you may find one where I stated that IMO all agents are the same, although pointing out that thread to REDWOLF is pretty funny since he posted in it. The only thing that makes me giddy about the possibilty is reading the reactions of those that act as though the Postons are the heir apparent to Bin Laden. It makes me giddy to read all of the Taylor Bandwagoners suddenly turn on him. The conspiracy theories, how he may have played the Redskins, etc. is ridiculously hilarious to me, and he hasn't even decided if he will hire them. It can only get better if and when he does. I'm not the only one laughing, believe you and me. I'm just the one that cares to be vocal about it.


Hey that's cool, I really don't care who he hires, I believe he wants to be in camp on time and play for this team and coaching staff. I agree that it's pretty damn funny everyone who is now calling him a traitor and such would have cut off thier own leg to have him on draft day. My opinion has not changed that he was the best pick for our team, regardless of the agent situation. With regard to the link, I was just letting RedWolf know that I supported his opinion, without rehashing all the details since it is the same exact debate.

[ramseyfan1]

[QUOTE=PennSkinsFan]Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A5751-2004May5.html)[/QUOTE

this is just getting crazy when you have to worry about agents and holdouts, and all the other bs, go out and play football, it is an honor to be in the NFL and to be that talented, i hope he doesnt do anything crazy, JUST PLAY FOOTBALL

[redwolf1218]

This is some of the best news I've heard in a while. After just about everyone on this board ripped Winslow for picking the Postons because he wanted to rub it in the Skins faces. It now looks like the great Sean Taylor that could do no wrong and would be such a better citizen then Winslow could very well grab the Postons as his agents. For all the bashing of Winslow that occurred atleast he was upfront about who he wanted to represent him. I just hope Taylor doesn't hold out of camp. I also hope that the reason we drafted Taylor was because of his ability and not his agent. Because if we screwed up and let the Postons representing Winslow be the MAIN reason we took Taylor then Taylor and the Postons just made us look like complete idiots.
i dont know if anyone said the agent was the MAIN reason, but i read an article that said it may have been a concern to someone somewhere within the redskins organization. not gibbs!

[ShaggySkins]

I just think its funny how a majority of the people on this board was yelling about how it was such a slap in the face of the organization for Winslow to grab the Postons as agents. You guys can bash Winslow all you want but atleast he was man enough to be upfront about who he wanted as his agent. If Winslow was a slap in the face, this has got to be a knock out blow if he does indeed grab the Postons.

[rskinsfan10]

I just think its funny how a majority of the people on this board was yelling about how it was such a slap in the face of the organization for Winslow to grab the Postons as agents. You guys can bash Winslow all you want but atleast he was man enough to be upfront about who he wanted as his agent. If Winslow was a slap in the face, this has got to be a knock out blow if he does indeed grab the Postons.
Exactly. To add to that, some are now saying that he did this in an attempt to trick the Skins, as if the Skins are the only team in the league. If it were about "tricking" the Skins, he could have easily decided not to hire an agent until after he was drafted, but I guess that wouldn't make for good conspiracy theories.

[redwolf1218]

to mean the strangest thing is that it happened 2 days after the draft and was just reported today.

[redwolf1218]

I just think its funny how a majority of the people on this board was yelling about how it was such a slap in the face of the organization for Winslow to grab the Postons as agents. You guys can bash Winslow all you want but atleast he was man enough to be upfront about who he wanted as his agent. If Winslow was a slap in the face, this has got to be a knock out blow if he does indeed grab the Postons.
well at least we can agree on that.

[hail2skins]

I just think its funny how a majority of the people on this board was yelling about how it was such a slap in the face of the organization for Winslow to grab the Postons as agents. You guys can bash Winslow all you want but atleast he was man enough to be upfront about who he wanted as his agent. If Winslow was a slap in the face, this has got to be a knock out blow if he does indeed grab the Postons.

rskinsfan10 beat me to it. So I guess we drafted Sean Taylor because of who is agent was not because of his talent. Oh well, another story to endure from those journalist who love us so much.

Did the Sean Taylor bandwagon have a blowout. Oh and by the way, I'm one of those laughing too that rskinsfan10 mentioned.

[hockeygoalie29]

Did the Sean Taylor bandwagon have a blowout.

If so I'm outside changing the tire! :moon2: , This guy was still the best choice the Skins could have made. His agent does not make a bit of difference, it's still the same guy on the field.

[¤Smooooot¤]

I dont think he reallt should have fired him personaly but it has nothin to do with hoe he will play....does an agent coach??? no.......if he goes and sucks its because he young....not the agent....if he goes and becomes the best safety in the NFL its not because who his agent it. AGENTS ARE OVERATED!!!

[hail2skins]

Here's more fuel for the conspiracy theory. If it is indeed the Postons he will hire they probably told him to wait until sometime in late June or early July to announce it.

[redwolf1218]

rskinsfan10 beat me to it. So I guess we drafted Sean Taylor because of who is agent was not because of his talent. Oh well, another story to endure from those journalist who love us so much.

Did the Sean Taylor bandwagon have a blowout. Oh and by the way, I'm one of those laughing too that rskinsfan10 mentioned.
well i was never on any taylor bandwagon. maybe the trade down bandwagon. well for a while there i liked gallery. the agent was never the only concern, just one of the variables.

[hail2skins]

If so I'm outside changing the tire! , This guy was still the best choice the Skins could have made. His agent does not make a bit of difference, it's still the same guy on the field.

You should get the other bandwagon riders to see that. :readme:

[hail2skins]

well i was never on any taylor bandwagon. maybe the trade down bandwagon. well for a while there i liked gallery. the agent was never the only concern, just one of the variables.

I'm not singling anyone out. There were alot of Sean Taylor supporters here before the draft and when Winslow hired the Postons he instantly became someone we shouldn't consider because of his agent, not his talent.

[hockeygoalie29]

You should get the other bandwagon riders to see that. :readme:

Well if they don't agree then they were never really sold on his talent anyway. It took me a long time to decide he was the best option, I liked KW2 up until the end but the fact that we needed a defensive playmaker over another offensive one swayed me. The choice he makes for his agent doesn't change that.

[rskinsfan10]

Well if they don't agree then they were never really sold on his talent anyway. It took me a long time to decide he was the best option, I liked KW2 up until the end but the fact that we needed a defensive playmaker over another offensive one swayed me. The choice he makes for his agent doesn't change that.
That's a noble position, one that you should be applauded for.

Sadly, I think that you are in the minority as far as the Taylor Bandwagoners go. I guess we can remove you from Suicide Watch.

[RedskinsVision]

i just pray our FO isn't blowing up like this thread. i'm against the Postons but i'm for Taylor so whatever he's comfortable w/ we have to deal w/ it. but the fans who worry about the Postons have a legit gripe.. just look at the Lavar issue, the Law issue, Biakabatuka, Pace, Peterson, Woodson and now Winslow. u have to understand the fans that are weary of this.. they're already comparing Winslow to Lebron and saying he was #1 on some team's boards so getting a fair market value is going to be tough, meaning, they're not gonna settle for #6 money.. so IF they rep Taylor, who was also #1 on some team's boards.. then we all know a whole can of worms are gonna be opened. Gibbs might not care about the agents that represent the players.. but thats cuz he's been out of the game for 12 years and have never been a GM.. but Snyder and Cerrato certainly have dealt w/ the Postons b4. so Gibbs wanna give any agent a fair shake while u know Snyder has a disdain for the Postons.. thats why he listed them at the bottom of Winslow's agent wish-list. Gibbs chose Taylor.. but now Snyder's the one that has to deal w/ his agent. but let's not get carried away and judge Taylor cuz he's our boy and needs our support.. but just like we all love Lavar.. we could care less about his agent.. thats fair cuz its like saying u love ur wife but could care less about ur in-laws.

[redwolf1218]

i just hope everyone gets their deals done on time and honors them for the life of the contract with no distractions...probably wishful thinking.

[hail2skins]

That's a noble position, one that you should be applauded for.

Sadly, I think that you are in the minority as far as the Taylor Bandwagoners go. I guess we can remove you from Suicide Watch.

LOL, we have counselors standing by for any Taylor Bandwagoners who are having suicidal thoughts.

[rskinsfan10]

LOL, we have counselors standing by for any Taylor Bandwagoners who are having suicidal thoughts.

We are a full service fan site.

[redwolf1218]

LOL, we have counselors standing by for any Taylor Bandwagoners who are having suicidal thoughts.
i think i need counselors for my addiction to the skins and this website. do yall offer any kind of redskins detox or rehab?

[Dexter72]

Understand and feel you. All Im saying is....put myself in an athletes shoes....coming out of college....im not gonna hire a lawyer (who doesnt specialize in the field) to negotiate my contract for a hefty fee when he's just gonna "ACT" like he's done this before! Im gonna hire someone who feeds his children from that profession.....just my rationale...I respect yours also..

You are right. Almost all of these agents are lawyers...Leigh Steinberg, Eugene Parker, Kevin Poston, Tom Condon are all lawyers, amongst others...I don't think Rosenhaus is, but his brother is part of his team, and he is a lawyer and CPA. Just because someone is a lawyer, it doesn't mean they have any specialty in negotiating the ins and outs of a football contract. They could do it, but maybe not nearly as well as someone who does football contracts all day every day. It's like have a Gynecologist performing minor knee surgery -- they are trained as a doctor, so they could probably make it happen, but you might not want to be the one on the operating table.

[hail2skins]

i think i need counselors for my addiction to the skins and this website. do yall offer any kind of redskins detox or rehab?

Those are good addictions that we all share. No need to detox or rehab.

[redwolf1218]

ed reed is great, roy williams is great, taylor will be great. i remember all the hype about adam archuletta and how the rams were addressing their defensive needs, but still, just a safety. i cant help thinking that they are still safeties and a lot of teams would be lucky to have the safety position be their biggest need. the difference with taylor, in my opinion, is his size and speed. he's a tweener safety/linebacker and i think williams saw that and figured he'd be used in a lot of different schemes, much more than just a free safety.

[hockeygoalie29]

Those are good addictions that we all share. No need to detox or rehab.

Not when I should be working on writing up a 10,000+ line program for my 400 level computer science class or studying for finals...Oh it's all good I just got hired for an internship over the summer that pays $19 an hour, time to relax a little and celebrate (ok procrastinate), and what better way then talking about my beloved Skins! :stout: :beer:

[hail2skins]

ed reed is great, roy williams is great, taylor will be great. i remember all the hype about adam archuletta and how the rams were addressing their defensive needs, but still, just a safety. i cant help thinking that they are still safeties and a lot of teams would be lucky to have the safety position be their biggest need. the difference with taylor, in my opinion, is his size and speed. he's a tweener safety/linebacker and i think williams saw that and figured he'd be used in a lot of different schemes, much more than just a free safety.

No, no, no. We took him because his agent wasn't the Poston's. :doh:

[redwolf1218]

Those are good addictions that we all share. No need to detox or rehab.
thanks, i'll let my girlfriend, my son, and my boss at work see this. i hope they can see the light too.

[redwolf1218]

No, no, no. We took him because his agent wasn't the Poston's. :doh:
lets not get into that again for love of all that is sacred in this world.

[hail2skins]

lets not get into that again for love of all that is sacred in this world.

Oh c'mon, we need something to talk about since it's the null part of the offseason. :D

[redwolf1218]

Oh c'mon, we need something to talk about since it's the null part of the offseason. :D
exactly! thats why this thread has 142 posts now, since this morning.

[hockeygoalie29]

Oh c'mon, we need something to talk about since it's the null part of the offseason. :D

How about, which shoe does Gibbs put on first, right or left? Or maybe we can discuss how many wins we will have this year for the 98 millionth time. Or how about, if every player decided the Postons were the way to go, would we ever draft again? :bangdesk:

[hail2skins]

How about, which shoe does Gibbs put on first, right or left? Or maybe we can discuss how many wins we will have this year for the 98 millionth time. Or how about, if every player decided the Postons were the way to go, would we ever draft again? :bangdesk:

So are you saying there is nothing to talk about?

[hockeygoalie29]

So are you saying there is nothing to talk about?

Pretty much, nothing that hasn't already been said. Until someone comes up with a new conspiracy theory or we sign a new player. That and I was just joking around.

[redwolf1218]

thus the waiting for june 1st. who gets released and who gets signed. oops. totally off topic.

[Death_Venom]

Honestly when I 1st read this-I was like OH CRAP!!!! Not the POSTONS!!!

But after thinking about it-my next thought is WHO CARES??? As Sean Taylor plays HARD, HITS HARD, and plays like EVERYONE is expecting him to.....Then I could CARE LESS!!!!

I knew as soon I read that there would be this POSTING FRENZY with everyone screaming "DEAR GOD PLEASE TAYLOR FROM THE EVIL POSTONS!!!!!!!"

[Emmanouel8]

Didn't someone say that they hope that he chooses Parker? That's interesting, especially since he was the one that fleeced the Redskins with Deion Sanders' contract, then fleeced them again when he held firm in his clients stance that he didn't want to return any of that signing bonus money back.

I'm entertained as well.

When I hear Eugene Parkers name I think scumbag, when I hear Drew Rosenhaus name I think scumbag, when I hear Poston name I think scumbag. So what am I worried about? They all have a high turnover of vaseline in their medicine cabinet, don't think there isn't a stack of empty jars laying outside Snyder's office w/ all their greasy fingerprints on them.

[IowaSkinsFan]

Man, the blood is filling my mouth at an alarming rate as I bite my tongue with this development.

Call a doctor!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

{Headline is Washington Post}

Taylor firing agent has ripple effect on Redskin fans.

[IowaSkinsFan]

this is not gonna change any real fans views on Taylor.. we know this is business. he'll get top 5 money regardless who his agent is. we just like to get on the Postons case cuz they like to get on teams cases.. and nerves. go to extremeskins and read the responses there.. many more members w/ many more opinions but not many telling those fans to not care about the subject. if we can't discuss about these things then we don't need to be here do we? no one cares to hold this dude's jock strap.. its just fun football talk. ;)

It won't.....if he is in camp on time. But if he goes with the Postons and he is a holdout of camp and it drags on into the preseason and he falls behind, then you will see some angry people come the start of the season.

[IowaSkinsFan]

Didn't someone say that they hope that he chooses Parker? That's interesting, especially since he was the one that fleeced the Redskins with Deion Sanders' contract, then fleeced them again when he held firm in his clients stance that he didn't want to return any of that signing bonus money back.

That was me. IMO, Snyder threw that money at Deion to get under Jerry Jones skin. I don't really believe that Parker had to try very hard to get that contract. And once Deion had the money, it is the agents job to help him keep it. I don't blame the Deion contract on Deion or his agent as much as I do Snyder and Cerrato. What was that comment Vinny made after the deal was announced?

"It fit nicely into the cap?"

Deion's reputation and Snyder's first shot as GM got that contract, not Eugene Parker. Heck, you or I could have been the agent on that one and Deion still would have got his money.

This is the first time I have ever heard Parker's name brought up in connection as the blame for that outlandish contract.

[AGibbsGirl]

Iffy isnt a FS, he's a Strong Safety

Do I look like I'm stupid...?

I know he's not, but I think (or haven't you read my 90 posts about Bowen) that Bowen is the natural Strong Safety, so Iffy would need to work on being the new FS if Taylor holds out....

Also, the crack about Brunnell was a joke (didn't you see the smiley) because I've said since the get go that we paid too much for him!

[Avg Joe]

Or how about, if every player decided the Postons were the way to go, would we ever draft again? :bangdesk:[/QUOTE]


Now THIS...is hilarious.

[hail2skins]

Well, there are some here who feel that we should stay away from anyone who signs with them. I understand their ill feeling towards the Postons, but that wouldn't benefit the team which we all support.

[hockeygoalie29]

Well, there are some here who feel that we should stay away from anyone who signs with them. I understand their ill feeling towards the Postons, but that wouldn't benefit the team which we all support.

Ummm, he was reffering to a joke I made about having nothing to talk about.

[The Skinsinator]

Anyone got a clue when Taylor will name his new agent?? We all need to understand that this is a very important issue and just not concede that everything will be fine.... I hope it will be fine.... But, I don't want to deal w/ the Postons whatsoever.... It's total BS if he chooses them w/ Arrington's encouragement.... These players must prove themselevs in the NFL before they get huge contracts... I don't care what they did in the college...... Sorry, I had to vent....

[IowaSkinsFan]

It bothers you so much you had to post it twice?

As a side note, I would like to know what Rosenhaus did to upset the good humor man and get fired.

[smoot]

As a side note, I would like to know what Rosenhaus did to upset the good humor man and get fired.

was wondering about that myself

[vegeta2364]

hopefully he will sign parker.. redskins like parker and the guy he fired. and the like us.

[PennSkinsFan]

Anyone got a clue when Taylor will name his new agent?? We all need to understand that this is a very important issue and just not concede that everything will be fine.... I hope it will be fine.... But, I don't want to deal w/ the Postons whatsoever.... It's total BS if he chooses them w/ Arrington's encouragement.... These players must prove themselevs in the NFL before they get huge contracts... I don't care what they did in the college...... Sorry, I had to vent....


I think were all overplaying the significance and importance. If Taylor chooses to hold out, it won tbe because of this agent or this agent, it will be because he feels he is not getting piad what he thinks he should. Always remember as well, if Taylor chooses to hold out, HE MADE THAT CHOICE!

[GolfFreak]

Yeah, I'd love to know what Rosenhaus did to get fired. This is an odd occurance and I hope it doesn't turn ugly.

[hail2skins]

I'm merging this with the Taylor Fires Agent thread.

[hail2skins]

Ummm, he was reffering to a joke I made about having nothing to talk about.

Ummm, and I knew that. I just decided to respond anyway. We need something to talk about around here.

[hail2skins]

Some info on this agent stuff from ESPN. This from our good ol fat friend.

It's just two weeks after the draft and already two high-profile players, both first-round selections, have decided to switch agents. Former Oklahoma defensive tackle Tommie Harris, the first-round choice of the Chicago Bears, has left Kennard McGuire and signed with Eugene Parker. The addition of Harris further enhances a very strong draft class for Parker and his partner, Roosevelt Barnes, of Maximum Sports Management. But getting Harris, which gives Parker and Barnes a combined four first-rounders (the most of any agents this year), might not be the end of the bounty. Miami safety Sean Taylor, the first-round choice of the Washington Redskins, has surprisingly left agent Drew Rosenhaus, and there is a chance the fifth overall pick in the draft could sign on with Parker as well. Washington officials, who have a tremendous relationship with both Rosenhaus and Parker, are quaking that Taylor might retain Carl and Kevin Poston. The brothers are notorious for their difficult negotiating style and, more pertinent to the Redskins, have a grievance against the franchise, alleging that Washington short-changed linebacker LaVar Arrington of $6.5 million in the contract extension he signed five months ago. Also rumored to be in the hunt for Taylor is the tag team of Eugene Mato and Jeff Moorad. In addition to the pair of first-rounders, disgruntled veteran Green Bay cornerback Mike McKenzie and agent Brian Parker have parted. The timing is unusual, given that McKenzie is attempting to force a trade.

Here's the link (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=1796964). Scroll down to the Around the League section

[redwolf1218]

the only quote i remember reading from rosenhaus was something like "i dont know how contract negotiations will go...i dont have a crystal ball." i searched for the article to post the quote but i cant find it. anyway, i thought it was a little bit of a strange comment. any chance this agent switch is a good thing, or is it all gloom and doom? maybe taylor didnt like that comment, or maybe rosenhaus was cooking up a tough negotiation? i kept thinking, why wouldnt he just say that he expects negotiations to go well? he could have said it will go smoothly, picks are slotted, last years number 5 was a defensive back too, the rookie pool is set, there's a max of a 6 year deal set by the league, there's been a 2% increase over last year...the perameters are set and the deal should get done quickly.

[hail2skins]

I don't think an agent can say they can see negotiations for a specific player being good. They'll comment that they have had good/bad dealing with teams. I don't see the quote as something that should cause concern. How is he to know how negotiations would go. Each side will have an idea of what they will live with and it's up to them to give/get to reach that point.

[redwolf1218]

there's a really good article about agents in the wash times. here's the link:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/sports/20040504-123645-7654r.htm
check out this quote from an agent:
Like Bakari and others, even veteran agents, Maxwell lost some clients he thought he had.
"They got another agent," he said. "I think he gave them some money."
so maybe some agents pay these guys up front to hire them?

[redwolf1218]

in the article it was also interesting to note how many agents are lawyers, and one agent/lawyer who teaches law said a lot of students want to become agents, but he discourages them from it because there's too much competition:

Based in the Baltimore area, Agnone has been an agent for 26 years. He has several clients, including New York Giants defensive end Michael Strahan, who set the NFL single-season sack record in 2001. Agnone also teaches a class in sports law at the University of Baltimore.
Many of his students tell Agnone they want to become agents.
"Much to my chagrin," he said. "I try to explain to them it's not the best thing in the world. It's a very competitive business. I try to convince them there are other things to do besides being an agent."
"It's a situation that's very competitive, very time consuming. It's got to be done very meticulously, and there is some involvement of luck. If the planets are all aligned, it works."
According to figures provided by the NFL Players Association, the planets are seriously spinning out of control. Of the approximately 1,300 NFLPA-certified agents, almost 70 percent do not represent even one active player. Ten percent of the agents represent 75 percent of the players.

[hail2skins]

I believe it's a competitive occupation to get into but so are alot of others. You have to know how to sell and how to negotiate. Having the law background helps but IMO it's not a requirement. If agents are getting out of control it's because their clients are allowing them to do it. They can fire them just like they hire them. Because it's so competitive, you have a choice of agents. Now, what are the factors that make a player choose an agent.

[rskinsfan10]

That was me. IMO, Snyder threw that money at Deion to get under Jerry Jones skin. I don't really believe that Parker had to try very hard to get that contract. And once Deion had the money, it is the agents job to help him keep it. I don't blame the Deion contract on Deion or his agent as much as I do Snyder and Cerrato. What was that comment Vinny made after the deal was announced?

"It fit nicely into the cap?"

Deion's reputation and Snyder's first shot as GM got that contract, not Eugene Parker. Heck, you or I could have been the agent on that one and Deion still would have got his money.

This is the first time I have ever heard Parker's name brought up in connection as the blame for that outlandish contract.

Why would Snyder have to sign Deion to get under Jerry Jones' skin? It wasn't as if they were bidding against each other for Sanders. Jones released him for cap purposes, and Sanders was a free man to sign with whomever he wanted.

Why shouldn't Parker get blamed for that deal? He was the one that sat down at the table with Snyder and negotiated it. Sanders didn't pull a Mark McGwire and negotiated it himself.

[Dexter72]

I believe it's a competitive occupation to get into but so are alot of others. You have to know how to sell and how to negotiate. Having the law background helps but IMO it's not a requirement. If agents are getting out of control it's because their clients are allowing them to do it. They can fire them just like they hire them. Because it's so competitive, you have a choice of agents. Now, what are the factors that make a player choose an agent.

I'd say it's REAL competitive. It's big business. These top guys get 10 or 12 new guys every year (and that's just talking about in the NFL) getting 3% off of player contracts and endorsements. They're representing 100+ guys; making 3% on hundreds of millions of dollars (maybe even closing in on a billion) of contracts and endorsements annually. I'd say the top agents bring in 20-30 mill a year to their agency. Most of these big agencies have teams of guys: lawyers, former players, financial advisors, marketing departments. How do you compete with a guy like Tom Condon, who used to represent the NFLPA and currently represents the Referree's Union? Not easily. Even Rosenhaus, who runs what is supposedly the most like a 'mom and pop' agency of the heavy hitters, has himself, his brother (lawyer and CPA), and Robert Bailey (former NFL Player).

[TEXskins]

why do we care who his agent is, Synder is not going to mess around with Taylor.....we'll get him signed no problems...

[hail2skins]

I'd say it's REAL competitive. It's big business. These top guys get 10 or 12 new guys every year (and that's just talking about in the NFL) getting 3% off of player contracts and endorsements. They're representing 100+ guys; making 3% on hundreds of millions of dollars (maybe even closing in on a billion) of contracts and endorsements annually. I'd say the top agents bring in 20-30 mill a year to their agency. Most of these big agencies have teams of guys: lawyers, former players, financial advisors, marketing departments. How do you compete with a guy like Tom Condon, who used to represent the NFLPA and currently represents the Referree's Union? Not easily. Even Rosenhaus, who runs what is supposedly the most like a 'mom and pop' agency of the heavy hitters, has himself, his brother (lawyer and CPA), and Robert Bailey (former NFL Player).

I agree with everything you said. Because of the competition, the players have choices. They can decide to go with the big agency or the 'mom and pop' operation.

[hail2skins]

Not when I should be working on writing up a 10,000+ line program for my 400 level computer science class or studying for finals...Oh it's all good I just got hired for an internship over the summer that pays $19 an hour, time to relax a little and celebrate (ok procrastinate), and what better way then talking about my beloved Skins! :stout: :beer:

Is it in 'C'? LOL

Sorry for the offtopic, you're at Maryland. Excellent program over there. I actually recruit Computer Science students there for my agency. I've personally hired one young lady from there that I'm very, very happy with. I also have a good friend at work that came from that program.

[colkurtz]

I've been away a week. I read this ENTIRE thread, just now. To summarize:

1) Sean Taylor fired his agent.

2) He has many other good agents to choose from; yes, including the Poston's.

3) The planet continues to turn and orbit the sun........

Personally, I'll only start to worry if and when an official announcement of a Poston hiring is made. NOT before....

I was not a Taylor fan before, but from what I have seen here since the draft, Sean looks like a quiet and serious guy who could possibly be a real cornerstone of this team in the future. At this point I'm looking forward to seeing him play.

[ArRiNgToN_56]

Glad you summerized i didnt want to read thru this whole thing.

[akhhorus]

From Pastabelli on this whole situation:

It's just two weeks after the draft and already two high-profile players, both first-round selections, have decided to switch agents. Former Oklahoma defensive tackle Tommie Harris, the first-round choice of the Chicago Bears, has left Kennard McGuire and signed with Eugene Parker. The addition of Harris further enhances a very strong draft class for Parker and his partner, Roosevelt Barnes, of Maximum Sports Management. But getting Harris, which gives Parker and Barnes a combined four first-rounders (the most of any agents this year), might not be the end of the bounty. Miami safety Sean Taylor, the first-round choice of the Washington Redskins, has surprisingly left agent Drew Rosenhaus, and there is a chance the fifth overall pick in the draft could sign on with Parker as well.


hmmm

[colkurtz]

From Pastabelli on this whole situation:

It's just two weeks after the draft and already two high-profile players, both first-round selections, have decided to switch agents. Former Oklahoma defensive tackle Tommie Harris, the first-round choice of the Chicago Bears, has left Kennard McGuire and signed with Eugene Parker. The addition of Harris further enhances a very strong draft class for Parker and his partner, Roosevelt Barnes, of Maximum Sports Management. But getting Harris, which gives Parker and Barnes a combined four first-rounders (the most of any agents this year), might not be the end of the bounty. Miami safety Sean Taylor, the first-round choice of the Washington Redskins, has surprisingly left agent Drew Rosenhaus, and there is a chance the fifth overall pick in the draft could sign on with Parker as well.


hmmm

I can live with that. Signing the Poston's OTOH would be worrisome and really opens up a lot of questions in my mind.......

[dj_stouty]

I could see why someone would want to sign with the Postens if they were dealing with a cheap owner or franchise...but this is DANNY we are talking about! He always overpays...not matter who the agent is.

Sean~ Go with anybody but the Postens. Don't start your career on a bad note.

[¤Smooooot¤]

Ok this is enough....this tread needs to be cut off. There is way to manu posts for something that doesnt even matter. AGENTS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PLAYERS WHEN THEY ARE ON THE FIELD!! Im not gettin mad......i just think this whole debate or whatever is crazy.

[akhhorus]

Ok this is enough....this tread needs to be cut off. There is way to manu posts for something that doesnt even matter. AGENTS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PLAYERS WHEN THEY ARE ON THE FIELD!! Im not gettin mad......i just think this whole debate or whatever is crazy.

no, but they do have a lot to do with when they get on the field. Gibbs hates hold outs.

[ShaggySkins]

Ok this is enough....this tread needs to be cut off. There is way to manu posts for something that doesnt even matter. AGENTS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PLAYERS WHEN THEY ARE ON THE FIELD!! Im not gettin mad......i just think this whole debate or whatever is crazy.


The agents mattered when it was an argument for picking Winslow over Taylor. But now that Taylor is the one possibly choosing the Postons the agents don't matter at all.

[padraic]

Ok this is enough....this tread needs to be cut off. There is way to manu posts for something that doesnt even matter. AGENTS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PLAYERS WHEN THEY ARE ON THE FIELD!! Im not gettin mad......i just think this whole debate or whatever is crazy.



Im with you something new :banghead:

[¤Smooooot¤]

I understand that it seems like he kinda used rosenhaus as bait for the skins but who cares......Postons suck and everyone knows it......get over it.

[dj_stouty]

I understand that it seems like he kinda used rosenhaus as bait for the skins but who cares......Postons suck and everyone knows it......get over it.
Weren't you the one who just said this thread nees to be cut off? If so, then why keep posting on it?

I agree with akhhorus...Agents DO matter when it comes to actually getting the player on the field. The last thing this club needs is a hold out. We are playing for TODAY...not for 3-5 years down the road.

If the Postens are your first rounder's agent, then the odds are in favor of that player holding out.

[akhhorus]

I agree with akhhorus..

someone gets my name right.....thank you Jesus, Allah and L. Ron Hubbard!

[dj_stouty]

someone gets my name right.....thank you Jesus, Allah and L. Ron Hubbard!

You can thank "copy/paste" for the correct spelling! :D

[akhhorus]

You can thank "copy/paste" for the correct spelling! :D

I dont know why some people constantly mispell my handle, IT'S RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU. I know that the handle is unpronouncable in English, but thats no excuse to failure to retype it.

[Smiley]

Akhhorus - just wanted to give yo that one.

Unfortunately due to the Poston's acts we need to consider who the player decides for an agent. It does concern me that Taylor might pick the Postons which would put us in to a pickle. I wonder why he fired his first agent? As long as we Taylor and get him in to camp on time all will be forgotten on who he picks.