Trotter, Canidate, and Fiore released

[PennSkinsFan]

Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A7909-2004Jun1.html)

[Death_Venom]

Aweome!!! Thanks for the update..........Now on to bigger & better things.........!!!

[bosshog001]

Too bad, I really think they should have let Candidate compete in camp. $900K isn't much of a savings.

[hail2skins]

As expected. We save around $4.? million.

[44FAN]

They need the money to sign the rookie pool. Too bad that Trotter didn't work out here, I thought he was a good fit for the team but I'm happy with the LB's we currently have.

[akhhorus]

Too bad, I really think they should have let Candidate compete in camp. $900K isn't much of a savings.

possibly, but he's not much of a change up type back to Portis. Save the 900k now. along with Trotter and Fiore, this must save 6 million. Thats a good dlinemen. and cap room for the future.

[rskinsfan10]

If Morton wasn't already on the roster, I think Trung stays put.

[ConradCountry]

All were expected moves and no shockers I am still waiting for the first big surprise releasing. We save 4 million without loosing anything imprtant to the team. That money can be better spent in other areas like the d-line.

I think that Fiore will retire it is to bad that injuries cliamed another career.

[IowaSkinsFan]

All were expected moves and no shockers I am still waiting for the first big surprise releasing. We save 4 million without loosing anything imprtant to the team. That money can be better spent in other areas like the d-line.

I think that Fiore will retire it is to bad that injuries cliamed another career.

No real surprises on the cuts.

Fiore, if you listen to Bugel, has a future in coaching.

[frenchskinsfan]

We save 4 million without loosing anything imprtant to the team.

3 out of these 4 millions will have to be kept for 2005 drafties, so the money save seems a bit low.

[Patrick]

And who didn't know this was coming! ........ Dead money next year is what hurts.

[RedskinRyan]

dead money hurts us every year. we got $5 million now, but $3.1 of it goes to the rookie pool. for just under 2 million(and then less after signing baxter), we can get somebody.

[LATrueRedskin]

see ya fellas!

[RoanokeSkin]

Get the hell out, thanks for your time (exception of Fiore).

Is it just me or does it seem like Trotter made about $200,000 per tackle? What a waste.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

its unfortunate that none of these guys worked out, but its time to move on. any guess where they will land? im guessing fiore will retire, trotter will be in minnesota and trung will land in a pile of dog stuff...

[Shabba]

They were talking heavy about Trottier on a Cincy sports station. The Bengals may have some intrest.

[skins111111]

RedskinRyan has the right #ers I was reading it earlier.....Just over 5,000,000 off the cap and 3.100,000 to sign rookies.............so we have about 2,000,000 for a DE

[IndianBaller27]

trotter didnt work out because he played a completely different style of defense in philly and i thought fiore was pretty good... i've never seen him play in a skins uniform tho... he was injured like the whole season

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

For your reading pleasures, here is another post from our friend psychostang over at yahoo! groups. here is his opinion on cutting Canidate:


http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/nfceastwarroom/message/3789

From: psychostang
Date: Wed Jun 2, 2004 8:44 pm
Subject: Another perfect example


of why I think the Deadskins just don't get it. Even with their
old/new Head Coach. They still just don't get it.
They cut Trung Candidate. The same Trung Candidate that they gave away
a draft pick for last year. I think this one is gonna end up biting
them in the butt. Here's why I think so.

First off, he's only played 4 years in the NFL and he's only 27 years
old. Over the 4 years that he's played, he's averaged 4.6 yards per rush.
He's played in 46 games,BUT he's only started in 13 of them. He's seen
very limited action which means he hasn't been beaten up alot.

Secondly, this guys' stats are unbelievable. Check this out!
He's carried the ball 240 times.He's got 47 first downs,7 TD's,9
rushes for over 20 yards and an unbelievable record of only 5 fumbles.
Mind you, he recovered one of those, so it's actually 4 fumbles in 240
carries. WOW!

Just as impressive are his receiving stats. He's had 32 receptions for
260 yards. That's 8.1 yards per catch!!! He's caught 4 passes for over
20 yards, 1 TD and 13 First Downs.

Now check out his Kick Return average.He's returned 43 kicks for 945
yards.That's a 22 yard per return average. He's also broke two kick
returns for over 40 yards. One of which was for 53 yards.

Someone tell me what sense there is in cutting this guy. You've
already given up a draft pick for him. You've already got him on your
team. Why not use him? Why not keep him as a backup to Portis? Why not
let him return kicks if nothing else? If you just don't want him on
the team, why wouldn't you try to trade him? At least pick up a
3rd,4th,5th or 6th round pick for him? SOMETHING!

To me this is probably as bad of a decision as it was to get rid of
Bailey and a draft pick to sign Portis.

Well, that's my opinion but I have to say that I can't believe what
I'm seeing. If Portis gets hurt the Skins will regret this one. They
may regret it even if Portis stays healthy.

Finally, it doesn't hurt my feelings to see these kinds of moves by
the Deadskins. You can bet on that!!!

[PyroGenic]

i totally agree with this guy on this one... they shouldve given trung a chance, but i just dont like the term "deadskins"... he needs to die...(im joking but i still don't like it)

[akhhorus]

for a "home run hitting" type of back, 4.2 yards a carry last year wasnt good. This guy is an idiot.

[PyroGenic]

its still better than what betts did... and they both got injured so you don't know if either one of them are reliable backs or not. I would've stuck with trung because of the price we paid to get him and because he's the fastest back I've ever seen

[hockeygoalie29]

I'd have to agree with most of what pychostang said, except I don't think that it is quite as bad as he makes it out to be. For $900,000 it would have been nice to keep him at least through training camp to see how he did when he was healthy and playing for a decent coach. We aren't throwing away our season by any means, but Canidate could have made a contribution.

[straightupbeast]

this guy does have a point...

[akhhorus]

its still better than what betts did... and they both got injured so you don't know if either one of them are reliable backs or not. I would've stuck with trung because of the price we paid to get him and because he's the fastest back I've ever seen

Betts was injured most of the year. Canidate came in to last year as the presumptive starter and showed nothing. No-one was scared of him. He had one hundred yard game and four over 60 yards. Why keep him when he isnt a change of pace back to Portis, the Skins have Morton as a 3rd down back and Betts and Rock as more than adequate backups. And Portis is faster than Canidate, and quicker. Please give me one legitimate reason why the Skins should have kept Trung, and dont say: he deserves a chance as Portis' backup. What did he show last year to justify to Gibbs to keep him around?

[akhhorus]

this guy does have a point...

I would like to know how this is a mistake for the Skins? Canidate wouldnt have played much behind Portis. Morton is the 3rd down back and Rock is the short yardage back.

[LATrueRedskin]

Canidate can't stay healthy, thats why he's started so few games. His numbers will fool you, because he's played so few games. How many touchdowns did he have last year? How many games did we win? Was he a factor in any of them? Not that i can remember. This guys wasn't gonna play anyways, thats why we cut him loose.

[HurricaneSkins]

i am thinking that maybe trung wasn't a gibbs player maybe he didn't like the portis signing and maybe gibbs thought he wouldn't be a team player in a lesser role than what he was signed for. a lot of maybes but just a thought

[akhhorus]

Canidate can't stay healthy, thats why he's started so few games. His numbers will fool you, because he's played so few games. How many touchdowns did he have last year? How many games did we win? Was he a factor in any of them? Not that i can remember. This guys wasn't gonna play anyways, thats why we cut him loose.

2 Touchdowns, one running and one recieving. And in only two games did he have decent games and the skins won.

[LATrueRedskin]

2 Touchdowns, one running and one recieving. And in only two games did he have decent games and the skins won.

Thank you. That said it all. He had two touchdowns all year. And he helped us win only two of our TOTAL five games.

[Dexter72]

I agree with akhhorus and LA...the rest of you who are agreeing with Cowboy fan need to get back on your meds! Just pull out a tape and WATCH Trung take a handoff...He takes longer to hit the hole than Heath Shuler took to set up in the pocket...If we need a dancing RB, Skip Hicks is playing over in Europe, and I actually saw him use his breakaway speed more than once.

[PyroGenic]

What did he show last year to justify to Gibbs to keep him around?

He showed more than betts... that's for sure... If we need a guy to run between the tackle and guard then we got rock there for the job, he did it a lot better than Betts, and he didn't get hurt. Trung wouldn't necessarily be a change of pace, but he showed in St. Louis that he can be a situational performer and that's what he'd be asked to do here since we have portis. Canidate may not be the prototypical back for gibbs, since his specialty is speed, but he still deserves more than to get thrown out and get nothing in return.

[akhhorus]

He showed more than betts... that's for sure... If we need a guy to run between the tackle and guard then we got rock there for the job, he did it a lot better than Betts, and he didn't get hurt. Trung wouldn't necessarily be a change of pace, but he showed in St. Louis that he can be a situational performer and that's what he'd be asked to do here since we have portis. Canidate may not be the prototypical back for gibbs, since his specialty is speed, but he still deserves more than to get thrown out and get nothing in return.

Riddle me this Batman. Honestly, you're the GM of a team with out a solid running game, would you give up anything for Canidate? With Eddie George out there. Let me finish this post with a Frank Gorshen-like Riddler laugh: HuhHEHEHEHEHE

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

psychostang made it seem like its the end of the world because we cut trung canidate! thats the most ridiculous thing ive ever heard. we have portis now and his stats for 2 years are way, way, way better than canidate's in 4 seasons. he is very fast but what good is that when you have no vision. he isnt shifty, he isnt physical. betts doesnt have his speed but he is more elusive and more physical. the only thing good about trung was that he was relatively cheap. i wouldve been good to see him stick around and play for a real coach to see what he can do, but he became expendable they day we traded for portis. but now that money will be going to an area of the team that needs more attention (hopefully!), the defensive line.

[Dexter72]

psychostang made it seem like its the end of the world because we cut trung canidate! thats the most ridiculous thing ive ever heard. we have portis now and his stats for 2 years are way, way, way better than canidate's in 4 seasons. he is very fast but what good is that when you have no vision. he isnt shifty, he isnt physical. betts doesnt have his speed but he is more elusive and more physical. the only thing good about trung was that he was relatively cheap. i wouldve been good to see him stick around and play for a real coach to see what he can do, but he became expendable they day we traded for portis. but now that money will be going to an area of the team that needs more attention (hopefully!), the defensive line.

Yes, being fast isn't enough, especially at RB. Trung isn't physical, goes down easily, is injury prone and doesn't hit the hole with any speed or force. Chad Morton can do everything Trung could as a 3rd down back/a backup to Portis, and does it muchh better.

[PyroGenic]

Riddle me this Batman. Honestly, you're the GM of a team with out a solid running game, would you give up anything for Canidate? With Eddie George out there. Let me finish this post with a Frank Gorshen-like Riddler laugh: HuhHEHEHEHEHE

first of all that laugh is just strange

second of all i succumb to your argument, i just wish we couldve gotten something out of a potentially okay player (like a draft pick... which we never seem to have)

third: eddie george hasn't been released yet
;)

[akhhorus]

first of all that laugh is just strange

second of all i succumb to your argument, i just wish we couldve gotten something out of a potentially okay player (like a draft pick... which we never seem to have)

third: eddie george hasn't been released yet
;)

Eddie George will be released. The Titans cannot afford him. And why give a pick for Canidate when you could give that pick for Anthony Thomas or (possibly Travis Henry) or Antowain Smith? Guys who have shown something.

[PyroGenic]

i dunno, wishful thinking... can't see george anywhere other than tennessee... too bad he's leaving. I agree with you on Anthony Thomas, I think he's one of the most underrated backs in the league. But a draft pick would still be nice for canidate... i mean... we did it :rolleyes:

[akhhorus]

i dunno, wishful thinking... can't see george anywhere other than tennessee... too bad he's leaving. I agree with you on Anthony Thomas, I think he's one of the most underrated backs in the league. But a draft pick would still be nice for canidate... i mean... we did it :rolleyes:

George is leaving. They have 13 draft picks and no cap room, cutting george gives them the room to sign them.

[petman88]

well that was a waste all that money and for wat we lost draft picks

[PyroGenic]

George is leaving.

i know, i said that here:
too bad he's leaving.

[hockeygoalie29]

Betts was injured most of the year.

So was Canidate, so what's your point? All of our backs were injured.

Canidate came in to last year as the presumptive starter and showed nothing. No-one was scared of him. He had one hundred yard game and four over 60 yards.

He played hurt most of the season, but the first couple games he played well as a tandom with Betts. The two were an effective pair. Also, look at the way he was played, Spurrier did not know how to use him whatsoever. Of course, now that you mention it, did ANYONE have a good season last year???

What did he show last year to justify to Gibbs to keep him around?

What did anyone else do? All I'm saying is that it would be worth while to take a look at him. Gibbs has yet to see him play due to injury. Unless he doesn't show any signs of recovering anytime soon I think we would have benefited from keeping him around.

[LATrueRedskin]

They played Canidate as a tandem because he can't handle the work load of a feature back. If he could, he would have played every down. The man's even hurt now so no one can evaluate him. Lets not kid ourselves here, we have Clinton Portis now. Trung Canidate is a "poor man's" Portis. Why keep the same type of back around when we have an upgraded version that is much much better? Ladell Betts might've not shown much more than Canidate did, but he's a different type of back, and he's younger.

[akhhorus]

So was Canidate, so what's your point? All of our backs were injured.

Trung played in 11 games, thats two-thirds of the season. Betts only really played in 7(he appeared in 9, but barely played). Trung had his try out, he failed. Betts also had as many TDs as Trung in half as many carries! Betts is still an unknown quantity. We know how crappy Trung was.


He played hurt most of the season, but the first couple games he played well as a tandom with Betts. The two were an effective pair. Also, look at the way he was played, Spurrier did not know how to use him whatsoever. Of course, now that you mention it, did ANYONE have a good season last year???

They had 110 yards between them in each of the first two games, and nothing in the next two games(or the rest of the season), they had about 860 yards rushing combined. They were effective for a couple games, so what. Rock had a decent year.

What did anyone else do? All I'm saying is that it would be worth while to take a look at him. Gibbs has yet to see him play due to injury. Unless he doesn't show any signs of recovering anytime soon I think we would have benefited from keeping him around.

What clinches it for me is Morton. Without him Trung could be an effective 3rd down back, but Morton is faster and quicker. Trung has no lateral quickness, which means he cant get into the open field to use his speed. I wuld rather have Betts, he's younger and bigger. Youre paying him a half million to backup Portis, why pay Trung 900k(which you get all back because we owed him no bonus) to get 3-7 carries a game. The Trung experiment is over and good riddance. He was a perfect type back for Martz's system, and he traded him. What does that tell you?

Here (http://secure1.esportspartners.com/store-redskins/main_detail.cfm?nProductID=60659&nObjGroupID=108) , why dont you order one and cry as you clutch it? lol

[JoeDaSchmoe]

I'd rather have Morton than Trung. Trung may be faster, but Morton's quicker. Plus we're already using a roster spot on him as a kick returner anyway.

[dj_stouty]

well that was a waste all that money and for wat we lost draft picks

Canidate was DIRT Cheap last year. His total salary in '03 was $797,500. Ironically, that is the amount of money we are currently paying our Long Snapper, Ethan Albright, this year!

We gave him a shot...and he didn't work out. At least we didn't give up a lot for him.

[AGibbsGirl]

I'd rather have Morton than Trung. Trung may be faster, but Morton's quicker. Plus we're already using a roster spot on him as a kick returner anyway.

Read this whole thread and this is what I thought as well.

Also, we will be paying for the mistakes made in past seasons for awhile yet. But for now, we need to have players that will work in Gibbs's system. We have Portis and Rock, Trung was good, but we need great!

[Emmanouel8]

Canidate came in to last year as the presumptive starter and showed nothing.

More than Betts.

No-one was scared of him.

Who was scared of Betts? Who was scared of any of our RBs or the Redskins as a whole?

He had one hundred yard game and four over 60 yards. Why keep him when he isnt a change of pace back to Portis,

How many 100 yd games did anybody else on the roster have?

Why are you so intent on a 'change of pace back?' Going slower w/ the other backs isn't 'change of pace.' We don't need a change of pace of back w/ a speed guy on the roster.


Betts was injured most of the year.

he sure was.


the Skins have Morton as a 3rd down back and Betts and Rock as more than adequate backups.

None of those RBs really help me sleep any better if Portis goes down.

And Portis is faster than Canidate, and quicker.

Ahman Green is faster than Trung maybe, portis is not. Canidate runs a 4.2 40 clocked at a combine, officia

Please give me one legitimate reason why the Skins should have kept Trung, and dont say: he deserves a chance as Portis' backup. What did he show last year to justify to Gibbs to keep him aroundace

What did Betts do to deserve to stay? Get hurt, not gain a 100 yds a game one time, lose out in competition to Trung and Watson, get grandstanded by every other back we have on the roster.

[akhhorus]

More than Betts. Who was scared of Betts? Who was scared of any of our RBs or the Redskins as a whole?

No-one was scared of Betts, but no-one was scared of Canidate.

How many 100 yd games did anybody else on the roster have?
Rock had a 94 yard game, but no one else did. Too bad Trung had 1/6 of his yards last year in ONE GAME

Why are you so intent on a 'change of pace back?' Going slower w/ the other backs isn't 'change of pace.' We don't need a change of pace of back w/ a speed guy on the roster.

So when your main RB is a speed guy, keep another Speed RB(who is a stiff) when you have Morton. A big bruiser back is what they need to do short yardage.


None of those RBs really help me sleep any better if Portis goes down.

Trung gave me insomnia. He was terrible.



Ahman Green is faster than Trung maybe, portis is not. Canidate runs a 4.2 40 clocked at a combine, officia

Portis ran a 4.21 at the U. He runs a 4.3 now. The best Canidate has run was a 4.27 at Arizona. Canidate also has no lateral quickness, so he's a sprinter. Portis is a quick back. Those 3 hundreths of a second make such a huge difference.


What did Betts do to deserve to stay? Get hurt, not gain a 100 yds a game one time, lose out in competition to Trung and Watson, get grandstanded by every other back we have on the roster.

What did Trung do to deserve to stay? He was the starter and didnt do anything. He had NO impact on the skins last year. If he had shown anything to deserve even a shot to start here, then why was Portis brought in? Betts might be a stiff, but he's three years younger, and bigger than Trung.

[akhhorus]

Ahman Green is faster than Trung maybe, portis is not. Canidate runs a 4.2 40 clocked at a combine, officia .

I wish you would do your research: Trung didn't run a 4.2 at the combine. He ran a 4.44!
http://www.footballsfuture.com/2000/combine-rb.html
Portis ran a 4.42
http://www.football-gaming.com/data/02draft/389.shtml

[hockeygoalie29]

This discussion has turned into "well, Candidate didn't do anything" and countered with "well, neither did Betts" and vice versa. I've made my arguments about why Trung deserves a chance in other threads as well as this one so I'm not going to get into that here. The only point I am trying to make is that it would not have hurt us one bit to bring Trung to training camp to evaluate him against the other backs. Nobody performed even semi-decently last season, chalk that up to injury, bad coaching, whatever, but no one stood out from the crowd as the front runner to deserve a chance to back up Portis (or even stay on the roster). It wouldn't have hurt us one bit to keep him through camp, and then, if he wasn't the right guy, to release him then.

[akhhorus]

From Don Vito's Tip sheet:

"One element that went into the Washington Redskins' decision to release tailback Trung Canidate, only a year after acquiring him in a trade, is that the team fears he will need foot surgery to repair an injury that slowed him in 2003. The main reason Canidate was lopped, of course, is that he isn't the kind of power back coach Joe Gibbs favors. But some 'Skins officials are whispering to teams seemingly interested in adding Canidate as a backup that he may not be ready to play for a while."

[PyroGenic]

the arguing can stop now... canidate is injured and needs surgery on his foot, it wouldnt have mattered if he had stayed on the team or not because he wouldn't have even played :rolleyes:

[sdredskinsfan]

[What did anyone else do? All I'm saying is that it would be worth while to take a look at him. Gibbs has yet to see him play due to injury. Unless he doesn't show any signs of recovering anytime soon I think we would have benefited from keeping him around.[/QUOTE]

Last year wasn't his first year in the league to show something. After a fast start with the Rams he was relegated to THIRD-string. And...........he has shown some things........he is injury-prone.........and his ability to accelerate is non-existent.