Who gets credit.......

[padraic]

Know that dockery is a lock for a starting Guard postion, and Taylor looks to be improving who gets the credit for the two picks? Vinny and Dan or Ball coach? I know SS was big on taylor but dockery looks to have more impact this year.

[badpigs442]

The two players should. It's a wonder they didn't give up on football after last year. Good work fellas.

[RedskinsVision]

Vinny and Snyder made the choices not SS. when Jacobs was there w/ the 2nd pick the FO was split on taking him or Doss so the final decision went to Snyder and he went w/ Jacobs. just like SS had nothing to do w/ their decision to release K. Watson and D. Wuerfull who were Spurrier's favorites.

[RedskinRyan]

credit to vinny, snyder, gibbs, and spurrier. thank spurrier for the bad year, allowing us to get taylor. thank vinny/snyder for getting dockery. thank gibbs for molding them into superstars.

[Shabba]

Gibbs hasen't done it yet. But yes Vinny and Danny should get the credit.

[BandWagon]

Bugel will make the biggest impact with Dock. Sometimes you get these guys who surprise people in their rookie year, simply because expectations are so low, and then they fall off so precipitiously in the following seasons everyone is calling them a bum. It will be very interesting to see if Buges makes this guy into a pro-bowl player. I for one think he's got a real shot and that may answer the question most people aren't asking...has the game passed Buges by....

[wewantdallas]

When you say "Taylor," you're referring to Taylor Jacobs, right?

I have to admit, I know little about the guy except for the very little I saw of him last year. Hopefully he'll add even more speed to the wideout position.

As for Dockery, he is a find. He's a mammoth, for one thing, and he plays tough and hard "old school" style. If the Hogs are going to be reborn, he should fit right in.

Gotta give Vinny some credit for that one. I credit Spurrier for nothing except for his resignation. He actuallly made Norv look good, and I never thought that would be possible.

[Shabba]

It's amazing how many have simply turned on Spurrier in such a nasty way. He was loved when he first came here, but now...

Absolutly amazing...the sports fan, that is...including me.

[28thegreat]

It's amazing how many have simply turned on Spurrier in such a nasty way. He was loved when he first came here, but now...

Absolutly amazing...the sports fan, that is...including me.

I don't think anyone wanted SS to fail. But fail he did...and with what many considered one of the most talented teams in the NFL. I don't believe I have technically turned against him. I wanted him to do well. But he didn't...and thus failed miserably. I'll just be glad when we can usher in this new Gibbs regime and finally close the door on the "old Ball Coach."

[RedskinsVision]

i know i certainly didn't turn on Spurrier cuz i was never confident he'd get the job done.. this division has always been a run-first, smash-mouth division and his philosophies went against that grain. i was very skeptical the moment he came here knowing he'd ruin our reputation of pounding the ball w/ a big OL into some "best show on turf turned grass" college style game that wouldn't mesh w/ our division's style. i dunno who was all excited to get him.. but i guess many fans were dying for success for anyone w/ his credentials albeit a college one was good enough reasons to hope. i figured he'd be the Rick Pitino of football and go back to where he belongs.. college.

[rskinsfan10]

It's amazing how many have simply turned on Spurrier in such a nasty way. He was loved when he first came here, but now...

Absolutly amazing...the sports fan, that is...including me.

His lacksidasical attitude towards adjusting to the NFL is the reason why I myself turned on him. I count myself as one of his biggest cheerleaders when he was first hired, but never could I imagine that he would seemingly act as if he didn't have a clue alot of the time.

[Agrawog]

What are you guys going to do if Gibbs fails? I mean you have appointed him the Messiah, God, Buddha, and every other deity rolled into one. I hope he has great success but man, the level of vitriol will be something to see. (A teeny, tiny part of me would like to see that but the fan in me just shudders at the thought). :sleeping:

[Agrawog]

Sorry about that. did not see the entire other string related to this very concept. Strange how we came up with the same concept at the same time.

[bosshog001]

I'm still not sold on Dockery. He came on towards the end of last year, but he was pretty bad in his first few starts. I will never forget watching him cause a fumble by knocking the ball out of Ramsey's hands. Bugel will be a strong impact.

[BackToTheFuture]

What are you guys going to do if Gibbs fails? I mean you have appointed him the Messiah, God, Buddha, and every other deity rolled into one. I hope he has great success but man, the level of vitriol will be something to see. (A teeny, tiny part of me would like to see that but the fan in me just shudders at the thought). :sleeping:

There's a big difference between Spurrier and Gibbs obviously. The reason I turned sour on Spurrier was not because he had a bad record but his lack of discipline. He didn't know players names, came to games with a game plan that looked like he had spent no time on. And to cap it off the way he left I thought was gutless.

Already with Gibbs you can see he's putting all his effort into it. It's a lot harder to get angry at a guy who puts in tons of effort. Even if Gibbs fails which I don't believe he will, I'd be more sad than angry. I think Gibbs would have to turn into some totally other person for people not to admire him.

[redwolf1218]

i'm not ready to give anyone any credit for dockery. i know, rookie, bad system, bad schemes, but he was toast last year lots of times. randy thomas was solid in the same scheme. i'm not ready to send dockery to the probowl. last i heard from bugel he was not even able to participate in drills yet. i'm going to add to this...as great as everyone seems to think our line is, samuels had the bad knee last year and the off season shoulder surgery...i dont know what dockery's ailment is. as good as bugel is, he cant coach health and durability. i just hope these guys are ready for the start of the season. i dont underestimate today's signing of yet another veteran blocking tight end.

[PyroGenic]

i think dockery did pretty good for a guy that was chosen so late in the draft, he's no gallery but he's decent... and with time and good coaching (which he will undoubtedly have)he could be great. It sucked that jacobs was injured for most of the season with that weird ab injury, but that seems to keep on happening to the rookie WR (samething happened to that clif guy)

[LATrueRedskin]

the FO gets credit for dockery and Taylor Jacobs because they drafted them. I have no hatred towards Spurrier, he obviously wasn't ready for the NFL. He thought he could count on the players being professional and show up on time and play hard, not to play daddy like he did in college, which is a big mistake. I'd say only a handful of players were committed to him, and that wasnt enough

[GoDannyBoy]

Who needed to play? A lot of those guys got their money up front. Why play hard and maybe get injuried? I hope that Gibbs can motivate these guys! I also hope they stop giving such large signing bonuses.

[petman88]

steve spurrier gets all the credit the redskins would not be where they are now if it wasent for him

[PyroGenic]

i guess you're right... we wouldn't have sean taylor

[LATrueRedskin]

Who needed to play? A lot of those guys got their money up front. Why play hard and maybe get injuried? I hope that Gibbs can motivate these guys! I also hope they stop giving such large signing bonuses.

Your right. It's a shame that pretty much every player thinks they NEED millions of dollars a year in order to survive. In college, they didn't get paid, so its pure football. Spurrier overlooked that i think, how players are mercenaries and most show no loyalty, and they don't play when things get bad.

[IowaSkinsFan]

It's amazing how many have simply turned on Spurrier in such a nasty way. He was loved when he first came here, but now...

Absolutly amazing...the sports fan, that is...including me.

I was with SS right up until the 2nd Dallas game this year, that followed the bye week. He had 2 weeks to prepare and we got steamrolled. He simply wasn't interested in putting in the time necessary to win in the NFL. If wasn't going to do everything possible to turn OUR Redskins into winners, why shouldn't we turn on him. He was only here to show that his system could work and in the process, turned OUR beloved Skins in the laughing stock of the league. Hell yeah I turned on him, just like he turned on us!

[Patrick]

Vinny gets the credit for the "DOCK" ..... that Vinny's speciality, 3rd round and below - always has been. He's hasn't been so good with selecting the top talent but always seems to get good finds in the lower rounds.

As far as "DOCK" goes, he did a solid job last year as a rookie. He has all the tool and now that he's under one of the best line coaches ever, he should excel. Sky is the limit with this kid - what he does with it is really up to him.

[REDMAN]

Steve was in over his head and he knew it about mid-way thru the season. I'll give him credit for stepping aside and let a real coach have a go! And with Gibbs, we will see a better brand of football you just watch.
I for one know he is not GOD! but he is an extremely great coach.

[smoak]

It's amazing how many have simply turned on Spurrier in such a nasty way. He was loved when he first came here, but now...

Absolutly amazing...the sports fan, that is...including me.

i still like SS, but i will admit he did an awful job with us. i think he is a bright football mind, but not a leader... i would love to see him coach again in the NFL. it would probably be as an offensive coordinator though.

[Avg Joe]

It's amazing how many have simply turned on Spurrier in such a nasty way. He was loved when he first came here, but now...

Absolutly amazing...the sports fan, that is...including me.


It's a wild thing isn't it? I wonder about the fans in this area sometimes. If you listen to the postgame show on 980 jokas say some of the dumbest things I've ever heard.

Steve is my guy, but I have to say he seemed too unwilling to adjust. Easily the team could have won 4 to 5 more games. I wanted him to comeback but I guess he had had enough. As for Dockery, again I give all the linemen a pass because of the scheme. You could tell they didn't believe in it. Dockery will prolly be fine.

[Agrawog]

Reading this thread, I am struck by two things. First: Fans' ability to divine what people actually do day-to-day with no visibility into their lives. I mean so many people here have said that SS did not put in the time required to succeed. How do you know that? Are you basing it off his comments when he joined the Skins about Jim Haslett putting in time and it not showing in the Win column? That would be pretty dumb since SS was talking before he saw the requirements of the job. Are you basing it on the fact that he did not seem prepared or adjust well? that may have had nothing to do with time and more to do with stubbornness and an unprepared coaching staff. People can work hard without working smart. To make assumptions about his work ethic because of his press conference style is just dumb.

The other amazing thing is how fans have let the players off the hook for last year. People say SS lost the team and that he did not provide enough discipline. Well you understand, don't you, why he had to provide more discipline? Because his players are immature losers who can't do their jobs the way they are paid to. The more I heard Arrignton and Jansen, and Smoot talk then and talk now I get even angrier. Not one player has said "You know the discipline thing was us. We were at fault. We did not give 100% and we will try to do better next year". Not one. All they say is that "well we (note the communal term) didn't have enough discipline last year and Coach Gibbs is really stressing that this year". I want to grab them (my fantasy so they don't pummel me) and scream at them that they are professionals and no one should have to motivate them. Forget about the money, just think about your own job and what is expected of you for you to succeed. If we acted lilke these guys we would be fired. The signing bonus has clearly destroyed the motivations of many players.

Thanks for letting me vent. :banghead: :banghead:

[bosshog001]

i think dockery did pretty good for a guy that was chosen so late in the draft, he's no gallery but he's decent... and with time and good coaching (which he will undoubtedly have)he could be great. It sucked that jacobs was injured for most of the season with that weird ab injury, but that seems to keep on happening to the rookie WR (samething happened to that clif guy)

I'm pretty sure he was a third rounder. That's not so late.

[bosshog001]

i'm not ready to give anyone any credit for dockery. i know, rookie, bad system, bad schemes, but he was toast last year lots of times. randy thomas was solid in the same scheme. i'm not ready to send dockery to the probowl. last i heard from bugel he was not even able to participate in drills yet. i'm going to add to this...as great as everyone seems to think our line is, samuels had the bad knee last year and the off season shoulder surgery...i dont know what dockery's ailment is. as good as bugel is, he cant coach health and durability. i just hope these guys are ready for the start of the season. i dont underestimate today's signing of yet another veteran blocking tight end.

Well said, no need to ring the HOMER bell on you

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

There's a big difference between Spurrier and Gibbs obviously. The reason I turned sour on Spurrier was not because he had a bad record but his lack of discipline. He didn't know players names, came to games with a game plan that looked like he had spent no time on. And to cap it off the way he left I thought was gutless.

Already with Gibbs you can see he's putting all his effort into it. It's a lot harder to get angry at a guy who puts in tons of effort. Even if Gibbs fails which I don't believe he will, I'd be more sad than angry. I think Gibbs would have to turn into some totally other person for people not to admire him.
My thoughts exactly. Well said.