Jackson done, Kobe opts out, and Shaq wants a trade [Archive]

akhhorus

06-18-2004, 08:43 PM

We knew this was comming,now where's he going?

Id put money on Shaq going to Indiana for Jermaine O'Neal & Al Harrington. The Lakers will keep Kobe.

Still a good team for next year, not the same, but still good.

C: Cook? Someone else?
PF: O'Neal
SF: Harrington/Walton
SG: Kobe
PG: Fisher

LATrueRedskin

06-18-2004, 09:23 PM

Wizards NEED to make some sort of move here. Shaq in DC for Stackhouse, Kwame Brown, Larry Hughes, and the No. 5.

straightupbeast

06-18-2004, 09:44 PM

all will be with the ZARDS next year...you heard it here first

LATrueRedskin

06-18-2004, 09:51 PM

all will be with the ZARDS next year...you heard it here first

I seriously hope so, because if they don't show ANY type of improvement next year or go after a big ticket guy, I'm through with the damn Wizards.

Skins Guy

06-18-2004, 10:15 PM

I seriously hope so, because if they don't show ANY type of improvement next year or go after a big ticket guy, I'm through with the damn Wizards.

man, dont give up on the wiz, we'll pull through sooner or later..I think we'll somehow pull in a superstar to play for us in DC :Pickle:

straightupbeast

06-18-2004, 10:22 PM

man, dont give up on the wiz, we'll pull through sooner or later..I think we'll somehow pull in a superstar to play for us in DC :Pickle:

hey, we already got one: Jared Jeffries

Axegrinder

06-18-2004, 10:26 PM

What about Phil Jackson comming to D.C.?

suppitty

06-18-2004, 11:21 PM

How awkward is that> The owner's daughter is the 60 year old coach's girlfriend. Come on Bobcats! take Stack and Laettner's contacts off our hand so we can get kobe!

Skins Guy

06-19-2004, 01:44 AM

How awkward is that> The owner's daughter is the 60 year old coach's girlfriend. Come on Bobcats! take Stack and Laettner's contacts off our hand so we can get kobe!

Yea, I think thats what we need. Neither of the two have been very productive with us, but I hope they don't take Dixon, he has a bright future in Washington. If we get those contracts off our hands, like you say we can get a supertar like Kobe, and now T-Mac is saying he won't be playing for Orlando, plus these rumors about a Wiz-Celtics trade? I think we'll have a big superstar player, getting help from Gilbert Arenas and Larry Hughes. This way I belive we make the play-offs for the first time in a while.

I didn't think we had much hope for next season, but all of a sudden I'm seeing things turn around fast. If we have a good draft and aquire one of these Superstars, then I know we can do something next season. Wow, next season in the NBA is gonna be something really different. Alot of big stars will be wearing new uniforms, hopfully the biggest star (Kobe Bryant), will be rockin' a Wizards jersey :D

CarMike

06-19-2004, 06:58 AM

Jackson's agent, Todd Musburger, told ESPN's David Aldridge in a telephone conversation Friday evening that while he expects to field offers for Jackson to coach in the NBA next season, he does not expect Jackson to accept any.

No kiddin! There's no clear cut favorite to win the Championship next year with the break up of the Lakers....

BigCountry

06-19-2004, 07:13 AM

It's just going to be a differant team. Kobe will probably resign now that it'll be his team, and whoever thinks then Lakers will trade Shaq for cheap is a bigger fool then I probably thought. They're not goibng to win 70 games but they'll be in the hunt, just like they are every season, cause they're the Lakers and they're just good. Nobody can do anything about that.

rskinsfan10

06-19-2004, 08:18 AM

What about Phil Jackson comming to D.C.?

That will never happen. He isn't into rebuilding, having to get his hands dirty. He likes his teams to pretty much be ready to make a serious championship run.

CarMike

06-19-2004, 08:28 AM

That will never happen. He isn't into rebuilding, having to get his hands dirty. He likes his teams to pretty much be ready to make a serious championship run.

EXACTLY! And thats why I'll never say that hes a "great" coach. If he'd take a team like the Pistons, who doesn't have a Shaq/Kobe type player, and win a championship then he'll be a great coach. Until then I'll look at him as a opportunist type of coach...

IndianBaller27

06-19-2004, 08:31 AM

IndianBaller27

06-19-2004, 08:36 AM

EXACTLY! And thats why I'll never say that hes a "great" coach. If he'd take a team like the Pistons, who doesn't have a Shaq/Kobe type player, and win a championship then he'll be a great coach. Until then I'll look at him as a opportunist type of coach...
EXACTLY! (again lol) IMO if he didnt have great players, he would be one of the crappiest coaches in the league. He had arguably the greatest player of all time to win him 6 (i think). And now he has Kobe, arguably the best player in the league right now. And if he isn't the best in the league, he still has Shaq. He is unstopable, as in NO ONE, literaly NO ONE can stop him by themself.

BigCountry

06-19-2004, 08:56 AM

how will it be kobe's team if shaq is still there? kobe only wants to leave to be the star. as in... NO SHAQ

Try reading my post again.

Stinkfist0

06-19-2004, 09:26 AM

I think a great trade would be

Shaq to the Grizzlies for Gasol, Lo Wright, Bo Outlaw, and Bonzi Wells

LadyNRedskinsfan

06-19-2004, 11:23 AM

i think we the wizards need to trade their whole starting 5 and their next 2 first round picks to LA and orlando respectively for TMac and Shaq. seriously, the only players the wiz need to keep are. arenas, hughes, brown, blake, dixon and thomas. trade the rest...blow the team up....

hopefully grunfeld will make some kind of move in order to get some real talent on the team.

LATrueRedskin

06-19-2004, 11:31 AM

hey, we already got one: Jared Jeffries

:lol1: Thats classic. But seriously, Washington Post is reporting Tracy McGrady wants a trade. The WIZ need to make some kind of deal.

rskinsfan10

06-19-2004, 11:51 AM

smoot

06-19-2004, 12:03 PM

i think he will end up with the kings, rick adelman is through because of his inability to advance the kings past the second round

as a sidenote, anybody see shaq coming to sacremento for webber, divac, and the first round pick?

akhhorus

06-19-2004, 12:05 PM

I think a great trade would be

Shaq to the Grizzlies for Gasol, Lo Wright, Bo Outlaw, and Bonzi Wells

I dont see this trade, the Lakers are only getting Gasol, the rest are throw aways. Gasol and Mike Miller with Future considerations thrown in would be more to the lakers' liking.

CarMike

06-19-2004, 12:09 PM

I dont see this trade, the Lakers are only getting Gasol, the rest are throw aways. Gasol and Mike Miller with Future considerations thrown in would be more to the lakers' liking.

Agreed.

Also, Memphis isn't exactly the most marketable franchise for Shaq. Thats why I wouldn't be surprised if he lands back in Orlando or maybe even New York...

akhhorus

06-19-2004, 12:55 PM

Agreed.

Also, Memphis isn't exactly the most marketable franchise for Shaq. Thats why I wouldn't be surprised if he lands back in Orlando or maybe even New York...

Dallas or Indiana. They have the firepower to make this trade. The Knicks dont, and all the Magic can offer is T-Mac. The Lakers look like they'll keep Kobe(they got rid of Phil for him), so T-mac doesnt make much sense. How about these two deals:
Shaq to Dallas for Nowitzki, Finley and two 1st rounders.
Shaq to Hornets for Baron Davis, David West and 2-3 first rounders.
If the Wiz want in on this deal they would probably have to offer: Kwame, Hughes, Hayes, #5 pick and a future first rounder.

LATrueRedskin

06-19-2004, 01:40 PM

Wow Shaq in NY would be interesting.

CarMike

06-19-2004, 01:48 PM

Akhhorus, I don't think the Hornets will ever have a player such as Shaq. Thats part of the reason why the Hornets left Charlotte. They could have kept Alonzo in Charlotte but didn't want to pay that big price tag.

Plus, the Hornets are having trouble selling tickets. I'm sure Shaq could help that out for a while. But they aren't willing to spend the money for another player to go a long with Shaq. Unless Shinn changes his ways, I feel very, very sorry for New Orleans...

RedskinsDave

06-19-2004, 01:48 PM

Multiple first rounders for Shaq by anyone not on the edge of contending would be moronic. Wes would do something this stupid. I'm sure Ernie never would.

IowaSkinsFan

06-19-2004, 02:05 PM

ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1824658)

I wonder if the Vegas odds will change just a bit after all of this.

When did Jerry Krause start working in LA?

akhhorus

06-19-2004, 02:09 PM

Wow Shaq in NY would be interesting.

what could the knicks offer them? Marbury and who else? Allan Houston?

CarMike

06-19-2004, 03:23 PM

what could the knicks offer them? Marbury and who else? Allan Houston?

You make a good argument about what the knicks have to offer. And truthfully, I don't have a clue. But it would make a lot of sence for him to end up there. Kinda like the A-Rod of basketball....except he has the championships that A-Rod doesn't.

The Knicks are very hungrey for a NBA championship....

Perhaps a ton draft picks?

akhhorus

06-19-2004, 04:06 PM

You make a good argument about what the knicks have to offer. And truthfully, I don't have a clue. But it would make a lot of sence for him to end up there. Kinda like the A-Rod of basketball....except he has the championships that A-Rod doesn't.

The Knicks are very hungrey for a NBA championship....

Perhaps a ton draft picks?

If you want Shaq, you better have a young star under 27, another young emerging talent and more young talent or a bunch of draft picks.

LATrueRedskin

06-19-2004, 04:07 PM

The Knicks don't have much to offer, except Marbury and a bunch of draft picks.

CarMike

06-19-2004, 04:32 PM

I'm not even sure if the Knicks can afford Shaq. Can a team send money plus draft picks for a player like other sports do? Just wondering if...

rskinsfan10

06-19-2004, 09:39 PM

The Knicks don't have much to offer, except Marbury and a bunch of draft picks.

That wouldn't do it. It would have to be players with contracts that total Shaq's $28mil for next year I believe.

akhhorus

06-19-2004, 11:02 PM

That wouldn't do it. It would have to be players with contracts that total Shaq's $28mil for next year I believe.

thats why I think any Shaq trade will involve players like Nowitzki, Michael FInley, Baron Davis, Jermaine O'Neal etc etc

suppitty

06-20-2004, 12:25 AM

Not sure if anyone has posted this but:
If the wizards got kobe, then with their luck he would be convicted and spend the rest of his life in jail.

LATrueRedskin

06-20-2004, 12:47 AM

Not sure if anyone has posted this but:
If the wizards got kobe, then with their luck he would be convicted and spend the rest of his life in jail.

:lol1: Yeah probably, or the world will find out that Kobe was only a good player with Shaq, and sucks by himself.

rskinsfan10

06-20-2004, 11:13 AM

thats why I think any Shaq trade will involve players like Nowitzki, Michael FInley, Baron Davis, Jermaine O'Neal etc etc

I think that Nowitzki is off limits as far as the Mavs are concerned, and I personally wouldn't give up the younger O'Neal for the elder.

akhhorus

06-20-2004, 11:41 AM

I think that Nowitzki is off limits as far as the Mavs are concerned, and I personally wouldn't give up the younger O'Neal for the elder.

Cuban and Shaq are supposed to be buddies, Shaq's from Texas, and they could replace him and Finley on their roster with guys like Fortson or Walker(or Jamison) and Marquise Daniels.

Skins57

06-21-2004, 12:09 PM

I would like to see Philly offer Iverson in a package for Shaq

straightupbeast

06-21-2004, 12:14 PM

just what the lakers want...iverson to go with kobe

Skins57

06-21-2004, 12:16 PM

Kobe will not likely be a laker next season

BigCountry

06-21-2004, 12:24 PM

Kobe will be a Laker next year. Buss is doing all this so he'll be happy.

Spence

06-21-2004, 01:10 PM

Skin Tight

06-21-2004, 01:12 PM

I simply think this is all GLORIOUS!

akhhorus

06-21-2004, 01:16 PM

check out David Aldridge's article on this subject:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=aldridge_david&id=1825532

he goes over the contenders and what they would have to offer to line up talent/salary wise. Personally, I agree with DA: the Nets or the Grizzles make sense for both teams.
In case dont want to bother to click, Ill run down the Nets and Grizz deals:
Nets send Kenyon Martin(sign and trade), Rodney Rodgers, Kerry Kittles and Alonzo Mourning for Shaq and Kareem Rush.

Grizz send Gasol, Lo Wright, James Posey, Jason Williams and Bo Outlaw(but I think the lakers would want Miller to replace Outlaw) for Shaq.

padraic

06-21-2004, 01:40 PM

You keep kobe get ride of shaq, The guy does not work out in the off season and the best years are behind him.

dj_stouty

06-21-2004, 01:56 PM

I could care less where they go. I'm just happy to see a dynasty get blown up!

JoeJacksonTaylor28

06-21-2004, 02:54 PM

Cuban and Shaq are supposed to be buddies, Shaq's from Texas, and they could replace him and Finley on their roster with guys like Fortson or Walker(or Jamison) and Marquise Daniels.
The Lakers won't send Shaq to a Western Conference team.... The Mavs are even less likely.

Look out for (if he is trades, something that I still doubt) Indiana or New Jersey.

rskinsfan10

06-21-2004, 09:58 PM

Cuban and Shaq are supposed to be buddies, Shaq's from Texas, and they could replace him and Finley on their roster with guys like Fortson or Walker(or Jamison) and Marquise Daniels.

Well, Chad Ford from ESPN Insider seems to agree with you. I personally wouldn't give up Dirk for Shaq, but of course I'm simply a FedEx courier who plays drums in the Skins band, so what do I know?

Insider snippet (http://proxy.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&id=1825472)

JoeDaSchmoe

06-21-2004, 10:22 PM

I'm with Green on this one, I'm banking on Shaq going to the East somewhere. Maybe Indiana, maybe New Jersey.... the Iverson thing would be incredibly interesting, as would something for T-Mac. Not likely, of course, but interesting.

IowaSkinsFan

06-22-2004, 12:58 AM

I could care less where they go. I'm just happy to see a dynasty get blown up!

I fall in this category.

IowaSkinsFan

06-22-2004, 01:00 AM

I would like to see Philly offer Iverson in a package for Shaq

It's too late to save Philly. Our coach is in Detroit with a nice, shiny trophy.

fent

06-22-2004, 10:54 AM

Well, Chad Ford from ESPN Insider seems to agree with you. I personally wouldn't give up Dirk for Shaq, but of course I'm simply a FedEx courier who plays drums in the Skins band, so what do I know?

Insider snippet (http://proxy.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&id=1825472)

yeah...i could actually see this happening...cuban LOVES shaq and but he loves Dirk too...i could see him tendering walker, finley and next year's number one for him...Cuban wants that championship trophy so much that he'd do anything to get him close to it though.

GolfFreak

06-22-2004, 11:06 AM

I heard this on ESPN radio this morning - Shak to Dallas. They would give up Dirk and someone else. They'd be the team to beat even w/o Dirk. I also hear that's where Shak wants to go!

fent

06-22-2004, 11:18 AM

I heard this on ESPN radio this morning - Shak to Dallas. They would give up Dirk and someone else. They'd be the team to beat even w/o Dirk. I also hear that's where Shak wants to go!

it wouldn't be a bad deal for him...a point guard that loves to pass first, an owner that will hook up his players and a state with no income tax...what's not to love?

GolfFreak

06-22-2004, 11:25 AM

On second thought, maybe the Wizards should go after both Kobe & Shak!

rskinsfan10

06-22-2004, 07:35 PM

yeah...i could actually see this happening...cuban LOVES shaq and but he loves Dirk too...i could see him tendering walker, finley and next year's number one for him...Cuban wants that championship trophy so much that he'd do anything to get him close to it though.

I thought I read somewhere that they put Walker on the unprotected list for the Bobcats.

Dexter72

06-22-2004, 10:23 PM

I'd rather have Shaq than Kobe and I think this is basically an economic decision. Shaq is more expensive than Kobe. The Lakers have done a marvelous job assembling this team, but I think they are pulling it apart the wrong way. I have no problem with rebuilding--this Lakers team has probably achieved all the greatness it can achieve--but I would keep Shaq and rebuild around him. I understand the concern about his health and age, but I think there are bigger question marks about Kobe.

Specifically, I'll be interested to see if Kobe without Shaq is anything more than Vince Carter or Dominique Wilkins.

I agree; Shaq is aging, but Kobe has never been the centerpiece of a team, and I don't know that he has the personality to lead a team and make the guy's around him better...He's also known as a guy who doesn't really socialize with his teammates much, a la Barry Bonds, and in a team game like basketball, I think that's trouble if he's your primary player. If you surround Shaq with 4 good jump shooters who can play at least some defense, you're a guaranteed contender.

Dexter72

06-22-2004, 10:25 PM

I thought I read somewhere that they put Walker on the unprotected list for the Bobcats.

I'm surprised the Bobcats didn't touch at least one big money guy, like maybe Cuttino since he's pretty young.

CarMike

06-23-2004, 06:24 AM

What if kobe in convicted of the rape charges against him?

We shouldn't forget that it could happen...even though I doubt it since it IS kobe that is the accused....

fent

06-23-2004, 11:27 AM

I thought I read somewhere that they put Walker on the unprotected list for the Bobcats.

he did because he costs so much and he didn't fit in with this team...he had some GREAT antoine moments where he would just take over and single-handedly win the game, but then there were times that he just flat-out stunk! this is the last year of his contract and then he moves on.