Dumb fans...

[Ramsey2Moss]

I was just watching SportsCenter and they had the Offseason Power Rankings. Skins were number 9, and some dumb Dolphins fan sent in an email saying: How can you put the Falcons, Skins, and Rams (all who did no improving) above the Dolphins, a 10-6 team that added David Boston?

Another idiot emails:
What's up with the Redskins in the top 10? They didn't add anyone key this year and always spend the bank, but all of the players wind up busts.

We will show them this year. I hope the dolphins go 5-11 behind that crap qb AJ Feely.

[ihatedallas]

o i think theyll have something to say when we are in the playoffs and there watching it on tv

[chrisbcbu]

Dolphins really doesnt have that good of a quarterback, not even Feely will do good. Yet the additions of Brunell and Portis go beyond the grasp of a dolphin fan.

[SkinsCT]

I can see it now... the Dolphins will start 5-2, end up 9-7, and watch the playoffs at home. Seems to happen every year, no reason to think that the addition of A.J. Feely will put what puts them over the hump.

[HanburgerBum]

I can see it now... the Dolphins will start 5-2, end up 9-7, and watch the playoffs at home. Seems to happen every year, no reason to think that the addition of A.J. Feely will put what puts them over the hump.

What gets me is that, as I understand the Feely trade, Philly gets a conditional 2nd rounder that can actually become a 1st rounder if Feely takes more than a certain number of snaps. Why would anyone give a possible 1st round pick for Feely based on a 5-6 game NFL career? If Miami is going around playing Santa Claus to our Eastern division rivals, how about throw some gifts our way (like Ogunleye)?

[CarMike]

What gets me is that, as I understand the Feely trade, Philly gets a conditional 2nd rounder that can actually become a 1st rounder if Feely takes more than a certain number of snaps. Why would anyone give a possible 1st round pick for Feely based on a 5-6 game NFL career? If Miami is going around playing Santa Claus to our Eastern division rivals, how about throw some gifts our way (like Ogunleye)?

And given that at the time of the trade to dolphins, Feeley was still rated as the #3 QB in Philly. Behind Detmer....[I think]

Another idiot emails:
What's up with the Redskins in the top 10? They didn't add anyone key this year and always spend the bank, but all of the players wind up busts.

Isn't this a little contradictory? We didn't add anyone but we spend the bank.

We shall see I suppose.

[JoeDaSchmoe]

I don't really know how these guys are dumb. I agree with them. The Dolphins have at least been above .500 for years, and are a legitimate Super Bowl contender. On the other hand, we haven't been above .500 since 1999, and I can't see us getting to the big game this year.

[CarMike]

How are they contenders for the SB?

So you agree we didn't add anyone to help make us a better team? Heck, just the addition of our coaches is a improvement.

I don't think the debate was intended to be rather or not we get to the super bowl. Just being rated higher in a power ranking than the dolphins...

[redwolf1218]

i agree with the addition of the coaching staff being the biggest improvement. our big free agent additions have appeared to be busts to observers around the league because the coaching staffs were the busts. when we had good coaches, we had good players. marvin lewis took us to a number 5 ranking on defense. ray rhodes took us to number 4. even kurt schottenheimer had us ranked 10. our staff this year will get a lot out of these guys on both sides of the ball. special teams should be greatly improved this year too.

[JoeDaSchmoe]

I meant I agree with them about the power rankings.

They're contenders for the SB because they were 10-6 last year, have a great defense, great running back, good receiving corps, and an improved O-line. Now, if Feeley is this year's Jake Delhomme, they're set. They'll have to fight with the Pats, Titans, and Colts, but I said they were contenders, not shoe-ins.

Let's put it this way: I think the Dolphins are better than we are. Therefore, they should be higher in the power rankings.

[CarMike]

Joe, I do agree that if Feeley can become Delhomme, the Dolphins can be SB contenders.

Just like if Portis and Brunell/Ramsey play well, along with out back 7 on defense, we are SB contenders as well. These days I think every team can be considered SB contenders.

Well, with the exception of the Cardinals...:D

[GolfFreak]

That's pretty funny, I thought we added like 16 players ... Portis, Brunell, M. Washington, ... oh and GIBBS!!! They have no clue!

[truant]

We nearly beat the Dolphins last year in Miami with Tim coming in for Ramsey.

Swap Gibbs for Spurrier, Portis for Trung, ect.

I don't think it's unfathomable to rank the Skins higher than the Dolphins. The NFL changes vastly from year to year.

[ihatedallas]

What gets me is that, as I understand the Feely trade, Philly gets a conditional 2nd rounder that can actually become a 1st rounder if Feely takes more than a certain number of snaps. Why would anyone give a possible 1st round pick for Feely based on a 5-6 game NFL career? If Miami is going around playing Santa Claus to our Eastern division rivals, how about throw some gifts our way (like Ogunleye)?

yea i agree if thewy didn rush they could have had collins or warner or agrcia but they stuck with this kid who is third in the rotation //yea lets hope the present trips tops with us...

[SkinsKY]

have to agree with JDS on this one. The Dolphins don't need another Marino. They need someone to pick up short yards. They can win 12 games if Fiedler/Feeley/Griese (is he on that team still?) can do that.

[PyroGenic]

have to agree with JDS on this one. The Dolphins don't need another Marino. They need someone to pick up short yards. They can win 12 games if Fiedler/Feeley/Griese (is he on that team still?) can do that.

Griese is with the bucs

[SkinsKY]

Griese is with the bucs

Ahh, I figured he fell of the face of the Earth and never really cared enough to go looking.

[JoeDaSchmoe]

Joe, I do agree that if Feeley can become Delhomme, the Dolphins can be SB contenders.

Just like if Portis and Brunell/Ramsey play well, along with out back 7 on defense, we are SB contenders as well. These days I think every team can be considered SB contenders.

Well, with the exception of the Cardinals...:D

Alright, well let me rephrase that: They're Super Bowl contenders, right now, with Jay Fielder. And they can beat us, right now, with Jay Fielder. I think Feeley will be a marginal upgrade over Fiedler, so that helps them even more.

[CarMike]

Yeah, on any given Sunday any team beat another team. Just like we can beat the Dolphins with either Fiedler or Feeley.

And just like truant said earlier in this thread. We had the Dolphins on the ropes last year using our 2nd/3rd stringer in TH....If you replace Spurrier with coach Gibbs, we win it. No way do the dolphins come back in the 4th quarter.

have to agree with JDS on this one. The Dolphins don't need another Marino. They need someone to pick up short yards. They can win 12 games if Fiedler/Feeley/Griese (is he on that team still?) can do that.

Fiedler and numerious other QBs haven't been able to get it done for them. Their one weekness has been QB since Marino retired. They had a good RB, WRs, a great DL, pretty good LBers, and a pretty good defensive backfield last year. And they still couldn't get it done. They tend to come out strong only to faulter down the stretch.

Needless to say that I find it pretty funny that Dolphin fans want to diss on the Redskins when their FO gave up a 2nd, possibly a 1st rounder, for a 3rd string QB....

Thats the problem I have....

[IowaSkinsFan]

I think the #9 ranking is a reflectin of 2 things.

1. We do have considerable talent here. Bill Parcells said last season that we had the best talent in the division.

2. Joe Gibbs.

[hail2skins]

I think the #9 ranking is a reflectin of 2 things.

1. We do have considerable talent here. Bill Parcells said last season that we had the best talent in the division.

2. Joe Gibbs.

That about sums it up right there.

[NamVet4]

The Dolphins will be contenders as long as they play in September, October and November. After that, their toast, history, done, kaput, fini, end of story.
They have to be chasing the greatest "tank" record in the regular season when it comes down to the 4th quarter of the season!
And of course, the "iggles" lead in the post season race to claim the title of choke artists!
Pre-seaon rankings are at best, dubious !
:D

[JoeDaSchmoe]

Yeah, on any given Sunday any team beat another team. Just like we can beat the Dolphins with either Fiedler or Feeley.

And just like truant said earlier in this thread. We had the Dolphins on the ropes last year using our 2nd/3rd stringer in TH....If you replace Spurrier with coach Gibbs, we win it. No way do the dolphins come back in the 4th quarter.

I'm not saying any given Sunday. I'm saying if you pit the Dolphins and the Redskins against each other ten times, the Dolphins would take at least seven.

And if the Dolphins had been using Jay Fiedler the whole time last year instead of the stone statue that is Brian Griese, they wouldn't have had to come back.

[CarMike]

Joe, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. I don't think the Dolphins are that much better the Redskins....

[Skinzsnut]

Dolphins and Ravens fans are *** they talk about how much they hate the Redskins. Why don't they man up and hate a team they play twice a year and not every three years. Not only thay they have no Qb, the Dolphins are pissing off there best defender in Ogulyne sorry if spelling is not right.
HAPPY 4TH EVERYONE :dalassuk:

[PyroGenic]

Dolphins have awesome talent but their coach sucks, he can never close a season to make it to the playoffs... it doesnt help that the pats are in their division but who cares, with 2 pro bowl caliber DEs, 2 probowl calilber CBs, probowl caliber WR and RB they should ATLEAST make the wildcard

[IowaSkinsFan]

Joe, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. I don't think the Dolphins are that much better the Redskins....

In this day of Free Agency, coaching is everything. And I'll take Joe Gibbs over Dave Wanstedt any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

We had the Dolphins on the ropes with a Steve Spurrier staff. You give Joe and Gregg Williams that lead and that team and you can put a W in the Win column, that's for sure.

I'm with CarMike on this one.

[rskinsfan10]

I'm not saying any given Sunday. I'm saying if you pit the Dolphins and the Redskins against each other ten times, the Dolphins would take at least seven.

I'd take that bet anytime Joe. I think you are giving the Dolphins, with Wandstedt in particular, too much credit.

[RedskinRyan]

yeah, cause david boston did SOOOO great in san diego......

[LATrueRedskin]

A.J. Feeley...........

[PyroGenic]

yeah, cause david boston did SOOOO great in san diego......

don't underestimate him... he's good... he's just a prima donna and has some ego issues to iron out, i still have faith in him, he's just too big and fast to ignore

Taylor should be able to lay him out though :)

[IowaSkinsFan]

I'd take that bet anytime Joe. I think you are giving the Dolphins, with Wandstedt in particular, too much credit.

Woah, what was that??

I think we just agreed on something.

[Patrick]

Wow - Now this is a good thread. ..... I'd like to expand alittle on what Joe may have been getting to (or maybe not IDK) ........ Over the pass 5 years ..IF the Dolphins and Skins had played each other 10 times, the Skins would have lost 7 or more games. Over the pass five years, the Dolphins have been a much better team than us. Base on that history, I can see why their fans might question these bullsh*t power ratings. ...... Now once again, this year, our Skins have won the "Offseason Superbowl". In fact, I believe there are a few local sports writer that say we have won it four years in a row. Regardless, going into this season we've still have to PROVE we can win (which we haven't done yet). AND that's what it's ALL about ... What have you done today???? ..... We HAVEN'T done (or won) anything except make some player/coaching moves AND like the pass four years, are going to have see IF they can produce wins for us. ... 68 days from now, some of these speculations will start to unfold.

[IowaSkinsFan]

I don't know about 4 years in a row. The first of the last 4 years would have been Marty Schottenheimer's year, and all he did was cut the dead wood.

[smoak]

I'll disagree (with the notion that says the Dolphins should be ranked higher than us).

My brother is a Dolphins fan so I actually like the team as long as their success does not conflict with the Redskins. The truth of the matter is that the Dolphins are facing more uncertainty than any .500 or above team from last season. Several of the players have had legal problems and may face suspensions. The offense line which was not good last season got worse (LT Wade Smith has another "minor" knee injury). They went after an unproven QB in Feeley (who is having trouble picking up the offense) and a questionable character guy in Boston. Ogunleye is holding out, and they have created tension over the way they handled Sam Madison... Worst of all they not only kept Wanndestadt, but signed him to an extension.

Honestly, I would rank the Dolphins around 12-15 overall, but they have the potential to be either a playoff team or a complete bust (IMO).

[hockeygoalie29]

...but they have the potential to be either a playoff team or a complete bust (IMO).

Wow, really going out on a limb there! Just playing, I know what you meant!

[smoak]

I'm not saying any given Sunday. I'm saying if you pit the Dolphins and the Redskins against each other ten times, the Dolphins would take at least seven.

And if the Dolphins had been using Jay Fiedler the whole time last year instead of the stone statue that is Brian Griese, they wouldn't have had to come back.

if you are talking about the 2003 redskins under spurrier, i'd agree.

but based on the teams going into 2004, i think the skins would win 6-7 out of 10. football is won on the offensive and defensive lines, and i think even our line could dominate the dolphins at the point of attack. i watched a bunch of their games, and they were so bad that i felt sorry for my poor brother who had playoff hopes dashed yet again. honestly our o-line played better than the dolphins last season.

[Wild Bore]

I can see it now... the Dolphins will start 5-2, end up 9-7, and watch the playoffs at home. Seems to happen every year, no reason to think that the addition of A.J. Feely will put what puts them over the hump.

I lived in Miami for six years and every year it seemed they would start, like, 4-0. The news would always start talking about an undefeated season and be interviewing Csonka, Griese, and guys from the 1972 team.

They would then always end up 8-8. LOL!

[IndianBaller27]

I was just watching SportsCenter and they had the Offseason Power Rankings. Skins were number 9, and some dumb Dolphins fan sent in an email saying: How can you put the Falcons, Skins, and Rams (all who did no improving) above the Dolphins, a 10-6 team that added David Boston?

Another idiot emails:
What's up with the Redskins in the top 10? They didn't add anyone key this year and always spend the bank, but all of the players wind up busts.

We will show them this year. I hope the dolphins go 5-11 behind that crap qb AJ Feely.
They are friggin crackheads!! NO KEY PLAYERS?! NO KEY PLAYERS?! so He's is saying that Clinton Portis isn't a key player. A friend of mine who loves the Cowboys would even say that Portis is a key player. They are just really bias

[BandWagon]

football is won on the offensive and defensive lines, and i think even our line could dominate the dolphins at the point of attack.

Didn't we completely shutdown Ricky Williams in that game last season?

I've got a good buddy who's a lifelong Fins fan, so I get some pretty good info from the other side of the fence.

I think, taking into account what he's told me, you've got a team that is a competitive year after year, but for whatever reason has a penchant for late season collapses. I think you've got to look to the coaching for the answers there. Overall, I'm not surprised we're ahead of them in the power rankings...they are what they are. It all comes down to playing the games. In the meantime, it's nice to see some off-season prognostication has generated some lively debate here!

[whistleandthumb]

The 2004 Washington Redskins, having not played a single down yet, are lightyears better than the Dolphins. Jay Fiedler couldn't hit the side of a barn standing 10 feet away, and our O-line completely shut down their defense last year. Again, LAST YEAR. Without a scrambling QB (who's not the backup), without Buges, and without Gibbs, we almost beat them. The Dolphins have nothing on us, and Dolphin fans should thank their lucky stars that they are even mentioned in the same breath as us. If the Dolphins finish above .500, they should consider that in the same vein they do their undefeated season, because .500 for them this year will be beyond stellar.