Taylor close to hiring Agent

[truant]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A26472-2004Jul3.html


A collective sigh of relief...

obviously they gotta get him signed, but crawl before you walk.

[RedskinsVision]

glad the dreaded name "Poston" didn't appear in this article but still no one knows for certain. but good thing an agent will be picked soon so they can begin negotiations which hopefully won't lead to a holdout.

[sdredskinsfan]

[QUOTE=truant

A collective sigh of relief...

obviously they gotta get him signed, but crawl before you walk.[/QUOTE]

Which is why I won't breathe a sigh of relief until he is in training camp.

[PyroGenic]

i want him to choose rosenhaus

[truant]

i want him to choose rosenhaus


ditto!

I've heard tons about players wanting to be paid like the first pick (Fitzgerald, Winslow) but I hope that these high first rounders start signing so we can just slot his contract and be done with it.

I'm the eternal optimist. I wasn't worried that Taylor didn't have an agent, but it set the date as July 10th that I'd officially be nervous. I think he'll just make it.

I predict a repeat performance right before training camp opens.

[gibbsisgod]

once he signs an agent will be happier i hope.

[IowaSkinsFan]

It's only half the battle. It is July 4th, no agent, officially, and therefore not a whisper of contract talks.

I maintain my stance that Taylor will not be in camp on July 30th.

[sdredskinsfan]

It's only half the battle. It is July 4th, no agent, officially, and therefore not a whisper of contract talks.

I maintain my stance that Taylor will not be in camp on July 30th.

My hunch says the same thing. It's kinda weird he hasn't talked openly why he fired his agent and hasn't yet hired a new one. Perhaps there is a legitimate, honorable reason(s); but I kinda doubt it. My pessimistic side tells me he wants as much money as possible and to hold out as long as possible (e.g., to avoid physical hardship that comes with training camp). As I've said before I'm not a fan of Univ. of Miami players........they seem to have difficulty understanding the concept of team. But I'm hoping Taylor proves otherwise.

[PyroGenic]

negotiations wont be done in time... he's the only guy without an agent and he's way behind

[hail2skins]

Are you saying he's way behind in getting an agent pyro? Most teams don't begin discussions of contracts for rookies until mid-July. You have some who sign early but hardly any of big-named players who came out of the draft sign early.

[PyroGenic]

Are you saying he's way behind in getting an agent pyro? Most teams don't begin discussions of contracts for rookies until mid-July. You have some who sign early but hardly any of big-named players who came out of the draft sign early.

well usually agents are gonna have a gameplan of sorts to get prepared for the long negotiations ahead, it's not like they sit there for those couple of months and don't create some sort of strategy to get the kind of money their 1st round pick client wants. That's all I'm saying.

And teams actually do talk to agents during this time period to get a feel for how much the player wants... how else would we find out that Winslow II would want the kind of money he's asking for?

[hail2skins]

well usually agents are gonna have a gameplan of sorts to get prepared for the long negotiations ahead, it's not like they sit there for those couple of months and don't create some sort of strategy to get the kind of money their 1st round pick client wants. That's all I'm saying.

And teams actually do talk to agents during this time period to get a feel for how much the player wants... how else would we find out that Winslow II would want the kind of money he's asking for?

Yeah, that's the Postons mostly though. They just generalize by saying he should be paid like the #1 person while they didn't mention an amount. I believe Taylor will be payed according to his slot.

[ConradCountry]

My hunch says the same thing. It's kinda weird he hasn't talked openly why he fired his agent and hasn't yet hired a new one. Perhaps there is a legitimate, honorable reason(s); but I kinda doubt it. My pessimistic side tells me he wants as much money as possible and to hold out as long as possible (e.g., to avoid physical hardship that comes with training camp). As I've said before I'm not a fan of Univ. of Miami players........they seem to have difficulty understanding the concept of team. But I'm hoping Taylor proves otherwise.

If he didn't want to go through extra physical stress then why did he participate in the mini camps. Miami players are not team players? Ray Lewis, Ed Reed bleed the black and purple. I think that more then anything Miami players want to win because none are use to loosing.

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

Hopefully Sean Taylor is signed before KWII. Winslow will surely be overpayed, and if he is signed before Taylor, then Taylor's agent will be asking for more money than that payed to KWII.

[ConradCountry]

I think that Taylor will sign quit quickly once an agent is chosen he has shown no reluctance to participate in on field and off field activities and he has shown himself to bve a team player so far. I have no reason to doubt that he is planning a hold out.

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

I think that Taylor will sign quit quickly once an agent is chosen he has shown no reluctance to participate in on field and off field activities and he has shown himself to bve a team player so far. I have no reason to doubt that he is planning a hold out.
You have no reason to DOUBT that he is planning a hold out??

or

You have no reason to THINK that he is planning a hold out??

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

i just want to know why he would fire rosenhaus and then potentialy hire him back?

also,i think the fact that we dont have very many draft picks will help him get a contract sooner.

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

i just want to know why he would fire rosenhaus and then potentialy hire him back?

also,i think the fact that we dont have very many draft picks will help him get a contract sooner.
Yes, the same thing puzzles me.... and why is he a front-runner?

Whatever, it would be good that Rosenhaus ends representing him IMO.

[redwolf1218]

why would he re-hire rosenhaus? why did he fire rosenhaus hours after the draft? vinnie said we'd know by the end of this weekend, which is now. LaVar is a GhostDancer.

[PyroGenic]

again i blame his low test score on the intelligence portion of the combine :Peace:

[IowaSkinsFan]

Are you saying he's way behind in getting an agent pyro? Most teams don't begin discussions of contracts for rookies until mid-July. You have some who sign early but hardly any of big-named players who came out of the draft sign early.

If I may....

My contention is that even though talks between most first round picks, agents and the teams usually haven't started by now, what surely has is strategy and goals between the player and agent themselves. Agents and players review together the contracts that the player chosen in the same spot the previous year got, and therefore use those as a framework of where to start their discussions. How can Taylor possibly have expressed any of this to anyone when he doesn't have an agent yet.

The groundwork down between agent and player prior to discussions with the team are what will put this whole show behind schedule and keep Taylor out of camp on July 30th, IMHO.

[IowaSkinsFan]

Hopefully Sean Taylor is signed before KWII. Winslow will surely be overpayed, and if he is signed before Taylor, then Taylor's agent will be asking for more money than that payed to KWII.

This is the reason I am confident that Taylor will not go with the Postons. If I were Taylor, I would surely want to be paid more money on my first deal than K2, and the Postons would have a hard time selling me that they were going to do that, having already said that they think K2 should be paid like the number 1 pick, because he was number one on somebody's board.

[PyroGenic]

This is the reason I am confident that Taylor will not go with the Postons. If I were Taylor, I would surely want to be paid more money on my first deal than K2, and the Postons would have a hard time selling me that they were going to do that, having already said that they think K2 should be paid like the number 1 pick, because he was number one on somebody's board.

thats funny...

[CarMike]

thats funny...

But very accurate....good post IFS

[redwolf1218]

i like how the postons said kwII should be paid like lebron james. with the NBA rookie cap, that was a funny statement by the postons.

[rskinsfan10]

This is the reason I am confident that Taylor will not go with the Postons. If I were Taylor, I would surely want to be paid more money on my first deal than K2, and the Postons would have a hard time selling me that they were going to do that, having already said that they think K2 should be paid like the number 1 pick, because he was number one on somebody's board.
You guys are really dragging that statement in the ground. It's called a negotiating ploy. The Postons know that he will not be paid as the highest drafted player, but as EVERY agent does, they start their negotiations high before they and the team meet at some middle ground.

I'm hearing that Tom Condon, who is responsible for Peyton Manning's contract, is asking for $20-30mil of bonus money for Chad Pennington, which IMO is absurd. Problem is, he's not a Poston, so that isn't highly reported as everything that they do or say. :rolleyes:

[redwolf1218]

good point about negotiations starting low and high and meeting in the middle. i think the browns should start with an offer equal to lebron james deal.

[badpigs442]

I'm not worried. This guy is a performer who demands attention. This is probably nothing more than him getting high on himself and how he can do what he wants for now. Maybe Sean is a little smarter than most gave him credit for. If Winslow gets a big deal then Sean will be able to market himself for a high price, remember he was selected ahead of Kellen. Taylor may not choose the Postons, be he may let them work for him after all.

[Emmanouel8]

I'm not worried. This guy is a performer who demands attention. This is probably nothing more than him getting high on himself and how he can do what he wants for now. Maybe Sean is a little smarter than most gave him credit for. If Winslow gets a big deal then Sean will be able to market himself for a high price, remember he was selected ahead of Kellen. Taylor may not choose the Postons, be he may let them work for him after all.


Ok but what does that have to do w/ getting an agent? If he's so smart and knows how to negotiate deals so well, why doesn't he just do everything? Sean got selected ahead of Kellen b/c our defensive coordinator got on some table and started to 'boot-scoot' in favor of drafting him.:rolleyes: Some of you found it amusing personally I found it disturbing.

Anyways I'm standing by my earlier comments there is a 90% chance he will not be in camp on time. It's no big deal to me I don't think we'd miss a beat w/ Ohalate and Bowen, I guess whenever he's ready :Peace: .

[ConradCountry]

I am kind of happy that Taylor is atking his time he could be like most players and sign with the gaent that yells show me the money the loudest because we all know who that is {Potsons}. Taylor will get an agent and a contract and he will be the starter in game 1. We will miss a beat a couple of bih hits a pick and a return for a TD if Bowen and Ohlatte are starting.

[redwolf1218]

Ok but what does that have to do w/ getting an agent? If he's so smart and knows how to negotiate deals so well, why doesn't he just do everything? Sean got selected ahead of Kellen b/c our defensive coordinator got on some table and started to 'boot-scoot' in favor of drafting him.:rolleyes: Some of you found it amusing personally I found it disturbing.

Anyways I'm standing by my earlier comments there is a 90% chance he will not be in camp on time. It's no big deal to me I don't think we'd miss a beat w/ Ohalate and Bowen, I guess whenever he's ready :Peace: .
i have to agree with this, and to take it another step further, we dont need any headaches...if his holdout goes too long, i would welcome trading him, much like the discussion about ramsey when his holdout got a little too lengthy. its going to be hard to slot the 5th pick with a qb at 4 and kwII/postons at 6.

[ConradCountry]

i have to agree with this, and to take it another step further, we dont need any headaches...if his holdout goes too long, i would welcome trading him, much like the discussion about ramsey when his holdout got a little too lengthy. its going to be hard to slot the 5th pick with a qb at 4 and kwII/postons at 6.

Their is no chance he is getting traded, The Dan will pay him the money he wants. If we trade Taylor that would be the dumbass move of the century even worse then hiring SS.

[redwolf1218]

Their is no chance he is getting traded, The Dan will pay him the money he wants. If we trade Taylor that would be the dumbass move of the century even worse then hiring SS.
ease up dude, you are very opinionated and that's cool, but you dont have to call mine or anyone else's opinions "dumbass".

[badpigs442]

Ok but what does that have to do w/ getting an agent .

Everything. With an agent he could obviously be signing a contract. With out one he lets Kellen Winslows Postons set the bar for what a super star out of Miami will recieve. Sean has no idea how much of a rediculously large check that could be cut to KWII. If he starts saying I want this much and Winslow gets double then he has less leverage to work with. Conversly if he plays it as he's doing (which may or may not be the case) when KWII gets his check, Sean will have a better opportunity to break the bank. That is the exact way I would play it. He uses those despised Postons with out ever signing with them.....Wonderlich that all the haters.
I love the Idea of Taylor as a Redskin, and am sure that he feels the same way. A hold out is possible, but I doubt it to be all of camp.

[redwolf1218]

its a shame we had to take him at the 5 slot with all that happened with the QB's and kwII going 6, it was just foreshadowing trouble at that slot, regardless of which player was taken. all this agent firing and non-rehiring just adds to it and seems to make it even more difficult.

[Emmanouel8]

ease up dude, you are very opinionated and that's cool, but you dont have to call mine or anyone else's opinions "dumbass".

I agree, 'dumbass opinions' don't exist around here.

[Emmanouel8]

Everything. With an agent he could obviously be signing a contract. With out one he lets Kellen Winslows Postons set the bar for what a super star out of Miami will recieve. Sean has no idea how much of a rediculously large check that could be cut to KWII. If he starts saying I want this much and Winslow gets double then he has less leverage to work with. Conversly if he plays it as he's doing (which may or may not be the case) when KWII gets his check, Sean will have a better opportunity to break the bank. That is the exact way I would play it. He uses those despised Postons with out ever signing with them.....Wonderlich that all the haters.
I love the Idea of Taylor as a Redskin, and am sure that he feels the same way. A hold out is possible, but I doubt it to be all of camp.

Yeah but he could do all that w/ an agent. Plus I don't think that strategy will work for KWII, he will get payed as a 6 slot period, Poston's can jabber all they want about him being the best player but he was selected 6th, and the Browns have a cap and at #6 he will be taking up a lot of cap already. JMHO.

[badpigs442]

Yeah but he could do all that w/ an agent. Plus I don't think that strategy will work for KWII, he will get payed as a 6 slot period, Poston's can jabber all they want about him being the best player but he was selected 6th, and the Browns have a cap and at #6 he will be taking up a lot of cap already. JMHO.

I too believe that KWII will not be paid like he wants to, but I also anticipate he will be paid as if he were a top 5. As competitive as those U of M guys are I wouldn't be surprised if Taylor is wanting to make sure KWII isn't paid more than him. It is probably not what skins fans want to hear, but I wouldn't put it past him.
This whole topic/idea seems stupid, but their has to be a reason behind it. I can only surmise my thoughts upon why I would be doing something like this.

[PennSkinsFan]

If Taylor does hold out, it will be a Lavar type holdout and my bet is, it won't exceeed ten days. Gibbs has shot warnings over the bow, and I woudl not be surprised to see taylor rehire Rosenhaus and get a deal done.

[hockeygoalie29]

I would not fault Taylor whatsoever for wanting more than Winslow. After all, we chose him over KW2. It would be a slap in the face to then pay him less.

To be honest, from what I've seen of Taylor, and what has been said by the coaching staff, ex-Miami teammates, and current Redskins, I don't think it is his intention to hold out just to hold out. He seems like he is very team oriented, and if being in camp on time helps the team win games, than he will do everything he can to be there on time.

[PyroGenic]

they're not gonna trade him... thats crazy talk :flower1:

[IowaSkinsFan]

You guys are really dragging that statement in the ground. It's called a negotiating ploy. The Postons know that he will not be paid as the highest drafted player, but as EVERY agent does, they start their negotiations high before they and the team meet at some middle ground.

I'm hearing that Tom Condon, who is responsible for Peyton Manning's contract, is asking for $20-30mil of bonus money for Chad Pennington, which IMO is absurd. Problem is, he's not a Poston, so that isn't highly reported as everything that they do or say. :rolleyes:

Agents are still paid on a percentage of the total contract value, correct? I'm sure it's not in the Poston's best interest to try and get number 1 money for K2. Thats crazy talk.

If that statement was a negotiating ploy, why, as an agent, would you want to start off your bargaining process acrimoniously? Do you really think starting off a relationship with a team like that is going to endear him to the fans of the Browns? That won't help sell K2 jerseys. It just makes K2 look foolish and the Poston's look greedy. But they didn't need any help with that previously.

As far as Pennington goes, nyjunc would disagree with you.

[ConradCountry]

ease up dude, you are very opinionated and that's cool, but you dont have to call mine or anyone else's opinions "dumbass".

I wasn't referring to your opinion more the ridiculousness of the situation. I would hate to see anything like that happen and I would hope that the front office wouldn't let things go that far. I apologize for coming off like I was attacking you but it is a scary thought after most of us fought so hard for Taylor to have the idea of him being traded floated out their plays to thos fears.

[redwolf1218]

I wasn't referring to your opinion more the ridiculousness of the situation. I would hate to see anything like that happen and I would hope that the front office wouldn't let things go that far. I apologize for coming off like I was attacking you but it is a scary thought after most of us fought so hard for Taylor to have the idea of him being traded floated out their plays to thos fears.
thanks for clarifying, i understand. the reason i mentioned it is because of the 3 times i remember long holdouts were desmond howard, heath shuler, and patrick ramsey. anyone would have selected howard or shuler at that spot at the time...they seemed like the real deal, but in hindsite, i wish they had been traded during the holdout (side note...didnt they both come out a year early as juniors?). ramsey, on the other hand, of course i'm very glad he stayed. so, for me, and my limited memory, its 1 out of 3 (so far) on long holdouts ending up being worth the distraction.

[ConradCountry]

thanks for clarifying, i understand. the reason i mentioned it is because of the 3 times i remember long holdouts were desmond howard, heath shuler, and patrick ramsey. anyone would have selected howard or shuler at that spot at the time...they seemed like the real deal, but in hindsite, i wish they had been traded during the holdout (side note...didnt they both come out a year early as juniors?). ramsey, on the other hand, of course i'm very glad he stayed. so, for me, and my limited memory, its 1 out of 3 (so far) on long holdouts ending up being worth the distraction.

I am praying their is not a long hold out because Taylor is a cornerstone player, Look at what Ray and Ed do for Baltimore if Taylor and LaVar can do that for us then wow I will be in seventh heaven for the next 10 years.

I think Taylor more then money wants to win and is not use to loosing that is why he won't hold out. To win you must play and Vinny made a good point for him to pick an agent. I think Taylor should take the same deal as Terence Newman a DB picked in the 5th slot and be happy.

[rskinsfan10]

Agents are still paid on a percentage of the total contract value, correct? I'm sure it's not in the Poston's best interest to try and get number 1 money for K2. Thats crazy talk.

If that statement was a negotiating ploy, why, as an agent, would you want to start off your bargaining process acrimoniously? Do you really think starting off a relationship with a team like that is going to endear him to the fans of the Browns? That won't help sell K2 jerseys. It just makes K2 look foolish and the Poston's look greedy. But they didn't need any help with that previously.

As far as Pennington goes, nyjunc would disagree with you.

As I've said before, only because anything that the Postons say is printed and repeated as if it is in regards to national security is this even an issue. Surely, you don't think that they are the first agents to make outlandish contract demands, do you? The last time I checked, that's what agents do. Have you known an agent to start off negotiations asking for low-market value for their clients? What, were they supposed to say that we think that Winslow should be paid like the 31st player taken in the draft? This isn't the NBA. The salaries aren't structered by the league.

What exactly is Winslow doing to un-endear himself to the fans of Cleveland? This isn't the 3rd week of training camp and he's sitting at home. He is doing the same thing to the fans of Cleveland that Taylor is doing to us, which is absolutely nothing. Even if both of them held out for a bit, once the season started, no one here or in Cleveland would care, as long as they both competed on the field as both team's fans expect them to do. I don't see anyone here with any lingering disdain towards Ramsey's holdout. I recall hearing and reading alot of venomous statements during his holdout, but where are those statements now? Many of you took his side with posts like "I don't blame him for wanting to be traded" after Brunell was signed. Which brings up another point that I've made previously about the Postons and other agents. I've been force fed more anti Poston rhetoric, alot of it in regards to players that aren't even on this team, yet in comparison, the anti Sexton talk has been very, very minute. Although he has personally been responsible for two of our key players causing rifts (Ramsey trade talks and Samuels refusals to renegotiate) this past Spring, because he isn't a Poston, I guess there's really no need to keep harping on those points/issues.

[IowaSkinsFan]

As I've said before, only because anything that the Postons say is printed and repeated as if it is in regards to national security is this even an issue. Surely, you don't think that they are the first agents to make outlandish contract demands, do you? The last time I checked, that's what agents do. Have you known an agent to start off negotiations asking for low-market value for their clients? What, were they supposed to say that we think that Winslow should be paid like the 31st player taken in the draft? This isn't the NBA. The salaries aren't structered by the league.

What exactly is Winslow doing to un-endear himself to the fans of Cleveland? This isn't the 3rd week of training camp and he's sitting at home. He is doing the same thing to the fans of Cleveland that Taylor is doing to us, which is absolutely nothing. Even if both of them held out for a bit, once the season started, no one here or in Cleveland would care, as long as they both competed on the field as both team's fans expect them to do. I don't see anyone here with any lingering disdain towards Ramsey's holdout. I recall hearing and reading alot of venomous statements during his holdout, but where are those statements now? Many of you took his side with posts like "I don't blame him for wanting to be traded" after Brunell was signed. Which brings up another point that I've made previously about the Postons and other agents. I've been force fed more anti Poston rhetoric, alot of it in regards to players that aren't even on this team, yet in comparison, the anti Sexton talk has been very, very minute. Although he has personally been responsible for two of our key players causing rifts (Ramsey trade talks and Samuels refusals to renegotiate) this past Spring, because he isn't a Poston, I guess there's really no need to keep harping on those points/issues.

I have never, ever heard, in all my years of watching the draft, any agent say that a player chosen in the sixth position in the draft should be paid like the number one pick. There are already 2 players with that claim this year, the Poston's throwing K2 in that group just makes them look more greedy and atypical. That is what separates the Postons from other agents on this board. It's one thing to start off with outlandish demands, it is another thing entirely to do what they did with that statement.

Kenny, Force fed? Come on, how are you being force fed? Is someone holding a gun to your head making you agree with the posts regarding the Postons as you read them? No one here is force fed anything. They are just opinions.

If you want to gang up on Sexton in lieu of the Postons, let me know. I've got plenty of things to say to him too. I am an equal opportunity complainer.

Or as my uncle says "You know what p1sses me off? (as he pushes his glasses back up on his nose with his index finger) Just about everything!"

More later.

[IowaSkinsFan]

Here's an article from a Cleveland newspaper. They are looking forward to the negotiations with the Postons.

Cleveland.com (http://http://www.cleveland.com/sports/plaindealer/bud_shaw/index.ssf?/base/sports/108305827154714.xml)

"A lot of teams had Kellen Winslow rated No. 1 on their boards," Poston said. "He's that talented. To come up with a value for a player like this is not that easy."

When Poston says something is "not that easy," add two weeks.

There are six unsigned players who carry their team's franchise tag. The Postons represent three - the Rams' Orlando Pace, Oakland's Charles Woodson and San Francisco's Julian Peterson.

Pace once said he would be happy with a signing bonus between $15 million and $17 million. I know, you wonder who could live on that? But, brave soul, he swore he could. The Postons are asking for $27 million.

Add another week to Winslow's holdout.

Kenny, it is not the group of naysayers at hR that give the Poston's the bad name. They do a good enough job of that themselves.

[IowaSkinsFan]

What exactly is Winslow doing to un-endear himself to the fans of Cleveland?

Well, here is what h2s thinks:

Brown's fans and FO can't be happy with this kid right now. When is he going to say he's happy being in Cleveland? He's probably a marked man by the players on team, I wonder what initiation he'll have to go through. He needs to be paid as the top pick because most teams had him at the top of their board. Yeah, right. As Stout said, who was at the top of the Brown's board?????

Post #13 (http://hailredskins.com/vbforum/showthread.php?t=11628&highlight=Kellen+Winslow)

[IowaSkinsFan]

Don't take our word for it about the Postons:

SFGate.com (http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/archive/2004/06/12/SPGJB7527M1.DTL)

Peterson's real problem is his agents

"Apparently, his agents (Kevin and Carl Poston) want Julian to be the highest-paid defensive player period," Donahue said. "That isn't going to happen. There's not much wiggle room here. Would I go up $300,000 to make the deal? Possibly. But I'm sure not going to go up $2.5 million."

Reportedly, the Poston brothers want a $30 million signing bonus for Peterson, which is absurd. It seems they're trying to establish a reputation as the agents who get the most money for their clients, but they may only be establishing a reputation with NFL clubs for being so much trouble that it's not worthwhile to draft their clients high.

[IowaSkinsFan]

Pete Prisco of Sportsline.com (http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/7409353) says:

The 49ers put the franchise tag on Peterson, and have made a substantial contract offer to him, but Peterson is being "Postonized." That's a new NFL verb, which means: Foolish agents doing damage to their players.

The Poston brothers, the agents for Peterson, are known for holding out clients, sometimes getting nothing in return for doing so. Peterson is the latest in a long line.

[PA Skins Girl]

Okay, it's July 7. Can I start to worry now?

[hockeygoalie29]

Wow Iowa, 5 posts in a row, that has to be a record! I think that rooster needs a break!

[rskinsfan10]

First of all, I never said that you Robert or any other poster here force fed anti Postons rhetoric on me. As I said before, many times as a matter of fact, it is the media that prints everything that the Postons say as if it is groundbreaking, and that is what I was refering to.

Of all of the athletes getting ridiculous sums of cash these days, surely you aren't naive as to believe that the Postons are the only ones that make absurd demands to start out negotiations, do you? The fact that you pulled some quotes from them is highly unimpressive to say the least. Now, if you want to impress me, show me the same amount od quotes from the other well known agents and everything that they have had to say in regards to getting top dollar for their athletes. Where is the articles about Tom Condon? I pointed out a statement that he reportedly made in regards to Pennington, but where is your same passion for that ridiculous contract demand? What do you think Condon started out asking for as bonus money for Manning? Do you think that the Colts themselves started out the process telling Manning that they would give him $30mil+ of bonus money? Of course they didn't. Condon probably asked for about $40mil and they met somewhere in between. I'm not going to hold my breath waiting on you to find a series of articles written trashing him or other agents and the crazy amounts of money that they ask for, because they simply aren't printed. You pulling two articles that are simply some newspapers columnist own opinions further cements my point.

Why should I have to ask you to diss Sexton? Again, that further cements my point. Why aren't some you, including yourself, using the same amount of energy to diss this guy, who had two players causing rifts this past spring ON THIS TEAM? Don't do it for me. An equal opportunity complainer you call yourself? I can't tell. Weren't you one of the guys that took Ramsey's side when he cried, through his agent, earlier this year?

BTW, my name is Kenny, not Mike. Pointing out what his opinion is on the subject hardly makes it correct, and it surely doesn't change mine. He and I are the best of friends, but we most certainly don't agree on everything. Nice try though. :rolleyes:

[War Hogg]

Dont hate the agents, hate the game!

[PA Skins Girl]

The Postons are kind of like Snyder. Once you get a bad reputation, everything you do is scrutinized. It takes ten "at-a-boys" to negate one "Oh, crap".

[rskinsfan10]

I was going to use Snyder as an example PA. It is a great example. Other owners do things, but you don't hear a peep. Ant and everything that Snyder does or says is analyzed, then over-analyzed until it is all the same stuff being repeated whenever someone has a deadline to meet. That's exactly what I mean about the anti Poston rhetoric. It's all the same stuff being repeated, over and over again, while others do or say things that is newsworthy but hardly gets a peep.

[rskinsfan10]

Well, here is what h2s thinks:



Post #13 (http://hailredskins.com/vbforum/showthread.php?t=11628&highlight=Kellen+Winslow)

I guess you and h2s didn't really look too hard, or it simply wasn't repeated or highly reported so it seemingly didn't exist. However, his initial press conference seems to start off with him actually stating that he was happy to be a Brown. :eek:


http://clevelandbrowns.com/news_room/news/

[hail2skins]

wow, how did I get thrown into this. :doh:

[IowaSkinsFan]

First of all, I never said that you Robert or any other poster here force fed anti Postons rhetoric on me.

?

I've been force fed more anti Poston rhetoric,

Ok.

[rskinsfan10]

wow, how did I get thrown into this. :doh:

Ask your boy.

[rskinsfan10]

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Ok.

As I said before, many times as a matter of fact, it is the media that prints everything that the Postons say as if it is groundbreaking, and that is what I was refering to.

Just in case you missed that part of the post. You conveniently left that part off when you "quoted" what I said.

[Emmanouel8]

Sorry to interrupt but the post just reported Taylor has yet to pick an agent and is actually cleaning out his apartment in miami before he cleans out 1st Redskin bank. I mean I'm only making this a big deal b/c all of the Taylor supporters here were slamming KWII's credibility and this and that, well neither has a contract but one has an agent.

Anyways, Taylor can hold out as long as he wants, I still think we could suit up Bowen and Iffy and we'd have essentially the same defense. What I'm wondering is if we can work out a deal w/ the Browns to get KWII off there hands, maybe a future pick? I don't know just throwing it out.

[IowaSkinsFan]

Just in case you missed that part of the post. You conveniently left that part off when you "quoted" what I said.

Well, here is the entire part of the post that I left off.

I've been force fed more anti Poston rhetoric, alot of it in regards to players that aren't even on this team, yet in comparison, the anti Sexton talk has been very, very minute. Although he has personally been responsible for two of our key players causing rifts (Ramsey trade talks and Samuels refusals to renegotiate) this past Spring, because he isn't a Poston, I guess there's really no need to keep harping on those points/issues.

Convenience wasn't the reason it was left off. I didn't put it in there because I didn't need it to show your flip flop on the issue where you said you have been force fed anti-Poston rhetoric and then you said you "never said you were force fed anti poston rhetoric". What was it about the last part of that post that proves you never said you were force fed anti Poston rhetoric?

[sdredskinsfan]

Sorry to interrupt but the post just reported Taylor has yet to pick an agent and is actually cleaning out his apartment in miami before he cleans out 1st Redskin bank. I mean I'm only making this a big deal b/c all of the Taylor supporters here were slamming KWII's credibility and this and that, well neither has a contract but one has an agent.

Anyways, Taylor can hold out as long as he wants, I still think we could suit up Bowen and Iffy and we'd have essentially the same defense. What I'm wondering is if we can work out a deal w/ the Browns to get KWII off there hands, maybe a future pick? I don't know just throwing it out.

I agree. His character is sinking further and further. As I wrote in another thread: I sure hope he proves otherwise, but it seems like he is either not at all passionate about football or a mega prima donna.

[rskinsfan10]

Well, here is the entire part of the post that I left off.



Convenience wasn't the reason it was left off. I didn't put it in there because I didn't need it to show your flip flop on the issue where you said you have been force fed anti-Poston rhetoric and then you said you "never said you were force fed anti poston rhetoric". What was it about the last part of that post that proves you never said you were force fed anti Poston rhetoric?

Wrong again Robert. That was in response to this:

Kenny, Force fed? Come on, how are you being force fed? Is someone holding a gun to your head making you agree with the posts regarding the Postons as you read them? No one here is force fed anything. They are just opinions.

Where did I say that I was being forced by any poster or their posts to agree with them? Were you not the one that bought other posters into the conversation? Didn't I ask you for articles constantly slamming other agents within the media that either don't exist or aren't repeated with the same vigor? Didn't I use Condon as an example and invited you to find articles dissing him, articles that you either cannot find, don't wish to find, or simply an aspect that you choose not to debate upon. If you look back at my posts defending the Postons, I have said countless times that they, IMO, are no worse then other agent(s) out there, it's just that everything that they do is under a microscope because they are suddenly the new "it" topic as far as the media and agents go. Is that not what I said Robert?

If you want to talk about flip flops, would you like to discuss your flip flop of supporting Ramsey's me first attitude when Brunell was signed, but dissing Arrington when he didn't exactly jump off a bridge when Gibbs was hired? Now, that's what I call a flip flop.

[Emmanouel8]

Sorry to interrupt again :D, just wondering if anybody knows how Taylor's apartment is coming along?! I hope his keg-a-rator and ramen noodles are in safekeeping now and not on the side of the street or something. :rolleyes:

FYI another day and no agent.

[IowaSkinsFan]

If you want to talk about flip flops, would you like to discuss your flip flop of supporting Ramsey's me first attitude when Brunell was signed, but dissing Arrington when he didn't exactly jump off a bridge when Gibbs was hired? Now, that's what I call a flip flop.

Kenny, a flip flop is when you change your opinion or position on the same issue. Me supporting Ramsey and dissing Lavar is is not a flip flop, it's a different opinion of 2 different issues. You may or may not view them as inconsistent positions, but it could hardly be construed as a flip flop, present company excluded of course.

[redwolf1218]

talk about flip flopping, these players...one wants a 6.5 mil bonus on the same day as his existing 6.5 mil bonus, then he's upset about coaching changes, then he loves the new staff, then he's back in arbitration. then there's taylor, with the agent, then the non agent, then maybe rehiring same agent, then he remembered he a left a ho ho on the counter at his apartment in the middle of a mandatory nfl meeting halfway across the country so he leaves...they are flip flopping like a one legged wine maker at a grape stomping contest and i'm sweatin like a whore in sunday school wondering whats going to happen.

[rskinsfan10]

Kenny, a flip flop is when you change your opinion or position on the same issue. Me supporting Ramsey and dissing Lavar is is not a flip flop, it's a different opinion of 2 different issues. You may or may not view them as inconsistent positions, but it could hardly be construed as a flip flop, present company excluded of course.
Let's see. When it was thought that Arrington took a "Gibbs must show ME something attitude", you ripped him. When Ramsey took a "trade ME because ME not happy with the signing of Brunell" attitude, you supported him. Both issues were discussed thoroughly, with both being labeled as selfish. They may have been about two different people, but the basic context of issues are indeed the same.

Even within your definition of a flip flop, please explain to me when I did so Robert. Did I change my position or opinion of what I thought about the Postons? No. You seem to take issue with the force fed wording that I used, to which you brought up other posters making me agree with what they say about them, which is hardly the truth, and even further from what I meant. What I did say of other posters in this forum is why isn't/wasn't the same amount of discussion and negative posts leveled against and agent that caused more disruption within THIS TEAM then the sexy agents of the now have done. After explaining what I meant, you made the accusation, or should I say you asserted the label, as to say that is not what I meant. Maybe you are under the impression that I only read what is printed here on this board, and not other forums and news sites in regards to other teams and the happenings of players throughout the entire NFL. The Poston articles and comments that you and others post are all throughout the message board galaxy. It's all the same, just like all of the Let's Rip Dan Snyder a New One articles that are plastered everywhere.

[redwolf1218]

you guys should be lawyers. or debate team instructors. every day i wake up and look on the computer hoping to see headlines to the effect that taylor has signed on with an agent. the suspence is killing me.

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

Sorry to interrupt again :D, just wondering if anybody knows how Taylor's apartment is coming along?! I hope his keg-a-rator and ramen noodles are in safekeeping now and not on the side of the street or something. :rolleyes:

FYI another day and no agent.
Yeah, you're right.... another gray, rainy, snowy, cold day with a lot of half-empty glasses around....

[davaj]

Everything. With an agent he could obviously be signing a contract. With out one he lets Kellen Winslows Postons set the bar for what a super star out of Miami will recieve. Sean has no idea how much of a rediculously large check that could be cut to KWII. If he starts saying I want this much and Winslow gets double then he has less leverage to work with. Conversly if he plays it as he's doing (which may or may not be the case) when KWII gets his check, Sean will have a better opportunity to break the bank. That is the exact way I would play it. He uses those despised Postons with out ever signing with them.....Wonderlich that all the haters.
I love the Idea of Taylor as a Redskin, and am sure that he feels the same way. A hold out is possible, but I doubt it to be all of camp.

My question is this. If that is your strategy, what do you do when KWII holds out?

[Ramsey2Moss]

Taylor just needs to pick a freakin agent. I'm not scared of him holding out but I'm not liking how he keeps putting this off.

[badpigs442]

My question is this. If that is your strategy, what do you do when KWII holds out?

While I don't have the exact quotes to back up my statement, I have been on a Steeler board (Staying up to date with the AFC) and they put up links to how the Browns fans are willing to pay KWII like a #1! This is ludacris, but no doubt Taylor is not oblivious to this. Taylor is probably going to hold out to the last second he can hoping KWII strikes it rich, but my guess is that he will be a good boy and be at camp. Their is a strong chance Taylor is at his appt. W/KWII and they are sitting their stroking their beards talking about how rich they will be. I do believe that Taylor wants an agent, so he can get his money, but he does not want to get an agent just to make a deal. My guess is he is willing to wait another month for an extra million in cash if he thinks he might get it. I would, especially in the NFL where nothing is guaranteed.

[bantu]

talk about flip flopping, these players...one wants a 6.5 mil bonus on the same day as his existing 6.5 mil bonus, then he's upset about coaching changes, then he loves the new staff, then he's back in arbitration. then there's taylor, with the agent, then the non agent, then maybe rehiring same agent, then he remembered he a left a ho ho on the counter at his apartment in the middle of a mandatory nfl meeting halfway across the country so he leaves...they are flip flopping like a one legged wine maker at a grape stomping contest and i'm sweatin like a whore in sunday school wondering whats going to happen.

Dude, you are funny as hell

[IowaSkinsFan]

Let's see. When it was thought that Arrington took a "Gibbs must show ME something attitude", you ripped him. When Ramsey took a "trade ME because ME not happy with the signing of Brunell" attitude, you supported him. Both issues were discussed thoroughly, with both being labeled as selfish. They may have been about two different people, but the basic context of issues are indeed the same.

Even within your definition of a flip flop, please explain to me when I did so Robert. Did I change my position or opinion of what I thought about the Postons? No. You seem to take issue with the force fed wording that I used, to which you brought up other posters making me agree with what they say about them, which is hardly the truth, and even further from what I meant. What I did say of other posters in this forum is why isn't/wasn't the same amount of discussion and negative posts leveled against and agent that caused more disruption within THIS TEAM then the sexy agents of the now have done. After explaining what I meant, you made the accusation, or should I say you asserted the label, as to say that is not what I meant. Maybe you are under the impression that I only read what is printed here on this board, and not other forums and news sites in regards to other teams and the happenings of players throughout the entire NFL. The Poston articles and comments that you and others post are all throughout the message board galaxy. It's all the same, just like all of the Let's Rip Dan Snyder a New One articles that are plastered everywhere.

You visit other message boards????????????????????????


:imshock:

There are no other boards!

[redwolf1218]

i get the funny feeling that taylor wanted to play for butch davis in cleveland and KWII wanted to play for gibbs. why then did winslow pick the postons? that killed his chances. i believe he would have been our pick had he chosen rosenhaus, like it or not. in retrospect i wish we had traded down out of that 5 slot just because it was a bad position to be in, no matter who the player or agent is. we could have taken another safety later if we really needed one, and we could still have gotten cooley, plus had more picks...

[IndianBaller27]

I have that same feeling redwolf. But I really like Sean Taylor a lot! I am glad we chose him. I don't really care about Tight Ends so I wouldn't have picked KWII.

[rskinsfan10]

You visit other message boards????????????????????????


:imshock:

There are no other boards!
Okay, I'll concede that you got me on that one. :banghead:

[IowaSkinsFan]

Okay, I'll concede that you got me on that one. :banghead:

Now we are playing well together! :beer:

[Keino]

i get the funny feeling that taylor wanted to play for butch davis in cleveland and KWII wanted to play for gibbs. why then did winslow pick the postons? that killed his chances. i believe he would have been our pick had he chosen rosenhaus, like it or not. in retrospect i wish we had traded down out of that 5 slot just because it was a bad position to be in, no matter who the player or agent is. we could have taken another safety later if we really needed one, and we could still have gotten cooley, plus had more picks...


Which Red flag makes you draw this conclusion? How do you explain Clinton Portis' press conference when he says that Sean Taylor is hoping to be a Redskin?

I hope you will be man enough to retract some of these statements when Taylor proves you and the other Red Flag bearers wrong.

[redwolf1218]

Which Red flag makes you draw this conclusion? How do you explain Clinton Portis' press conference when he says that Sean Taylor is hoping to be a Redskin?

I hope you will be man enough to retract some of these statements when Taylor proves you and the other Red Flag bearers wrong.
i am man enough. i've loved the skins all my life. i reserve the right to yell at them and cheer for them with equal enthusiasm. dont get me wrong, i didnt want kwII and i'm glad we got taylor. to answer your question, it was just a gut feeling. i dont know what statement you want me to retract though.