Cartwrights role next year

[ihatedallas]

How will he do in 2004, he came in big last year with some good rushing when betts and candidate were out, will he still have decent playing time

[cwh25]

I think he'll get around 5 carries a game with some receptions here and there.

[SkinsCT]

As of right now he's probably at best the 3rd guy to get carries behind CP and Betts, and maybe the 4th if Morton gets some carries. His best hope is to get a few touches a game.

[HanburgerBum]

Rock will have a tough time just making the team this year. Since Gibbs uses a one-back (not counting the H-back) offense, he will carry at most 4 RB's. Portis, Betts and Morton are clearly ahead of him. If we carry only 3 (don't be shocked if that happens), Rock will be released and probably hook on with another team. If we carry 4, he will have to fight off McCullough and maybe a surprising rookie. His best chance of making the squad is if he shows up well on special teams. Assuming Rock makes the team, he will get virtually no carries barring injuries to RB's ahead of him.

[dj_stouty]

I think he will hardly play at all. There is so much competition at the FB/HB/TE spots, that there arent enough playing minutes to go around.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

i voted with my heart and went with 5-10 carries a game. i really hope rock makes the team and makes an impact. i think coach will see how much heart he has, especially for such a little guy.

[RedskinsVision]

although his offensive snaps will be far and few between until we get some injuries, his productivity on Special Teams will be good enough for him to make the team and eventually be given a chance to carry the ball some during the middle of the season to keep guys fresh.. then he'll succeed in the small role and be given few more carries as the season unfolds.

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

I think we cannot measure his contribution to the team with carries next season. He will contribute with ST play, tackles, some carries, some receptions, some blocking....

[suppitty]

He'll be our "inches" back. He was 100% on 2nd, 3rd, and 4th & inches last year. He's helped by how short he is so it is probably hard for the opposing linebackers to pick him up. I voted for less than 5 plays, although he could possibly be released, or put on the ps.

[redwolf1218]

i guess his best chance to make the team is as the 4th tailback behind portis, betts and mortin, same as he was last year behind canidate, betts, morton. i wonder if he gets any touches at hback, backing up cooley and sellers. probably not if kozlowski makes the team in the hback rotation, and i think kozlowski was great on special teams. with rasby and baxter as blocking TE's, it'll be tough to keep all those tailbacks, HB's and TE's. i dont think he makes the team based on special teams alone, he needs to be in a rotation as a backup somewhere in addition to special teams.

[LuvSkins17]

Im worried about Rock.... I hope he makes the team. I like him but it's gonna be hard to get him in the game. He has to compete with faster back at RB and bigger, Stronger, Better Blockers at the FB and HBack position. He may not make the roster... I love his heart and his running style but Im afraid he may be out by the end of camp.

If it's close,............ His heart alone, ....breaks all ties!!!

[Skinzsnut]

I think that he showed last year that he is clearly better than Betts and that he will be the No.2 running back behind Portis. I don't know why everyone likes Betts so much. He hasn't done a dam thing since he has got here. :sfight:

[badpigs442]

Maybe he can be like a lesser version of what Tyrone Wheatly was to Charlie Garner last year.

[Emmanouel8]

I don't think Rock fits Gibbs.' He will be released IMO, unfortunetely we will be another year w/ Betts :( . I think the line-up will be Portis, Betts, Morton, Mclough.

[ConradCountry]

If the Rock gets released that would be complete crap. That guy has more heart then any big money player we have on the team. He came to camp with no contract and played in 02. He should be the short yardage back and back up running back. Betts sucks and has shown nothing Rock showed heart and talent last year and deserves a spot on this team

I do agree that his money will be made on special teams.

[badpigs442]

I don't know why everyone likes Betts so much. He hasn't done a dam thing since he has got here. :sfight:

We did manage to waste a 2nd rounder on him.

[Emmanouel8]

If the Rock gets released that would be complete crap. That guy has more heart then any big money player we have on the team. He came to camp with no contract and played in 02. He should be the short yardage back and back up running back. Betts sucks and has shown nothing Rock showed heart and talent last year and deserves a spot on this team

Easy CC I agree, but for some reason Betts is more elusive off the field than he is on. Rock would be a better keep, but the underground rumblings from Redskin park say he's likely gone and Betts stays. What do i know?! JMHO.

[skinswin]

Depends on how Betts plays into things because Betts is a Snyder favorite because Snyder drafted him.

They don't want to cut Betts or it will make Snyder look again like a complete idiot for drafting the guy in the second round.

This team could put Rock in Betts place and not miss a beat. Plus Rock has heart and plays hard. Rock will end up showing Gibbs that he is a "Gibbs type" player.

[davaj]

I think he gets 4 tds as our goal-line back.

[PyroGenic]

i think theyll use him in obvious short yardage situations... he's just a hard runner and it shows that size isn't everything

[IowaSkinsFan]

I don't think he will play a down because I don't think he will be on the team. Too short, too small to be an effective H back. Too much depth at RB. I had him on my 53 man roster earlier, but now I don't think he will make it.

[Keino]

I didn't vote. I think Rock gets cut.

[Patrick]

I agree with Keino. Rock's not even a major special teams player. I think he'll be here until the last cut but that will be it.

[GolfFreak]

As of right now he's probably at best the 3rd guy to get carries behind CP and Betts, and maybe the 4th if Morton gets some carries. His best hope is to get a few touches a game.

That sounds about right to me ... I think he'll play more if the unthinkable happens.

[PennSkinsFan]

Good poll. I chose five carries or less, simply because if any RB gets ten or more besides Portis, I think that will clearly be Betts.

[frenchskinsfan]

He could be a third down or goal line back, sharing time with Betts. But I think they're gonna fight for that spot all season long, if one of them isn't cut during TC. My vote goes for 5 carries agame though, b/c I like this guy as much as Betts.

[NamVet4]

Tho I'd like to see Rock stay, reality check says he doesn't make it. There is enough talent in the backfield. ST might be a place for him, but I'm not sure he would settle for that and play at 100%. Hard words - but it's a fact - he might just ask to be cut so he could make another team with a greater need.

[IndianBaller27]

He will be off and on. He will have some good 40 yard games then some no carry games. But he will have a decent season

[Jon Creveling]

I voted the hardly at all option, btw, very good poll suject! I'd fully expect that if Gibbs goes with a true fullback position, that Sellers will earn that spot, that's not a bad rap so much on Rock as Sellers is a roughneck nasty blocker, bigger and stronger than Rock. My thinking is that if Sellers come to camp as a good citizen that he will in fact bump Rock out of f.b.! Some of you guys seem to think he can beat out Betts as second in rb? Very interesting because just maybe he can! I like Ladell but he just seems more confident covering kickoffs with Chad than running the ball. Two years is a long time to wait for a r.b. to realy show something, let alone three! Rocks attitude to adapt in camp to whatever position is offered to him may or not break him. I'd think he will get a legit shot at either position, but if one door looks like it's closing on him he must bust the door down at the other! My odds to make f.b. Sellers 65% to Rocks 35%. As 2nd rb Rock and Ladell 50-50! I would not expect Rocks 'heart' or Ladells draft status to decide this.

[REDMAN]

Rock will make this team.

[Keino]

Rock will make this team.

Over who?

[PennSkinsFan]

Tho I'd like to see Rock stay, reality check says he doesn't make it. There is enough talent in the backfield. ST might be a place for him, but I'm not sure he would settle for that and play at 100%. Hard words - but it's a fact - he might just ask to be cut so he could make another team with a greater need.

I agree Andrew. Rock was boosted by Spurrier, Spurrier liked him. All bets are off now with Gibbs here, and shoudl we look at the RB situation, I see Betts, Morton, and McCullough making the roster. I am hoping Rock makes it, but i just can not see how he will fit here.

[Skinzsnut]

I completely agree that Betts sucks. Rock will back up and be a short yardage back. He should have started last year, but Spurrier was so enamored with speed he never looked at the all around back. He has better hands and blocking than Betts and Mclough, and he is a better in between tackles runner. He won't be cut. :Peace:

[Aurej]

He should be the number 2 back I have more faith in him than Morton or Betts, also rather funny how we call him a little guy yea he is 5'7'' but he also weighs 223 pounds. He's our biggest back.

[GibbsFan]

Went with less than 5 carries. I think he will make the team because of his heart and his versatility at TB, FB, and ST. He might not be our #1 option at FB or TB, but he could fill either role, and I believe Gibbs likes these kind of guys.

[hockeygoalie29]

I seem to remember Rock running the ball better than anyone else last year, he should definately earn the backup job.The only bad play he had was the one fumble on the goal line, and Spurrier overreacted and benched him pretty much for the remainder of the season. Stupid move, since the entire running game got benched with him.

[HollywoodKolt]

Rock was very effective last year running the ball and catching passes out of the backfield. A lot of people say that his size is a dissadvantage however I think that it can be an advantage, Rock's short stature gives him great leverage, allowing him to break tackles. Being only 5'7 ensures that defensive playes cant' get as many shots on his body as they can with taller running backs. If you look at the best running backs in this league, the Clinton Portises, the Marshall Faulks, the Preist Holmeses, the vast majority of them are 5'11 and under. Priest Holmes is only 5'9. Now I'm not saying that Rock is the next Priest Holmes but I am saying that you can't argue with production, and Rock produced 2nd most yards of any running back on the team last year. Talk all you want about Bett's and his potential but the fact of the matter is that he doesn't have great vision, somethign I thing Rock has.

I can't see Rock getting released, he's a dynamic player and I think that Gibb's and co. will find a way to use him that will make the most out of his talents.

[split3clemente]

GO ROCK, ROCK RULES BABAAAAAAAAAAAAY
if gibbs releases him im gonna be pissed
rock rules man, I like him as our #2, betts is overrated (2nd round pick), mortons just some pretty boy, rocks the MAN

rock for pres

[Emmanouel8]

I voted the hardly at all option, btw, very good poll suject! I'd fully expect that if Gibbs goes with a true fullback position, that Sellers will earn that spot, that's not a bad rap so much on Rock as Sellers is a roughneck nasty blocker, bigger and stronger than Rock. My thinking is that if Sellers come to camp as a good citizen that he will in fact bump Rock out of f.b.!


Gibbs will not go w/ a 'true FB.' He runs a single back TE and H-back offense. There's no FB in Gibbs' offense!!!!!!!!!!


There's no FB in Gibbs' offense!!!!!!!!!!
There's no FB in Gibbs' offense!!!!!!!!!!
There's no FB in Gibbs' offense!!!!!!!!!!
There's no FB in Gibbs' offense!!!!!!!!!!
There's no FB in Gibbs' offense!!!!!!!!!!
There's no FB in Gibbs' offense!!!!!!!!!!

H-Back H-back H-Back H-back,

H-back is not a FB, H-Back is not a TE,
H-back is not a FB, H-Back is not a TE,
H-back is not a FB, H-Back is not a TE.

I'm not trying to single anyone out or be rude, but there seems to be confusion about what this offense will consist of, and a FB will not be one of them. An H-back has to be able to line-up along the line of scrimmage and block. Unfortunetely I can't see Rock lining up right across Jevon Kearse. Rock will be trying out as a RB/TB/HB/etc...

[IowaSkinsFan]

An H-back has to be able to line-up along the line of scrimmage and block. Unfortunetely I can't see Rock lining up right across Jevon Kearse. Rock will be trying out as a RB/TB/HB/etc...

This pretty much sums it up.

[Brokenstriker]

likable player ... but I think he's a pre-season cut

too many other needs will have priority over keeping an undersized FB who's going to be probably 12th on the depth chart if you include H-Back and RB together ...

[garedskin]

Could not commit to anything.I have to wait and see what position he ends up trying for.I have read he could be anything from a RB,H-back,or even a power back.I will wait and see what position he ends up playing first. :Peace:

[redwolf1218]

I'm not trying to single anyone out or be rude, but there seems to be confusion about what this offense will consist of, and a FB will not be one of them. An H-back has to be able to line-up along the line of scrimmage and block. Unfortunetely I can't see Rock lining up right across Jevon Kearse. Rock will be trying out as a RB/TB/HB/etc...
i think spurrier tried to use him against that dude from tampa bay who got those 4 sacks and made defensive player of the week against us.

[Jon Creveling]

E8 no rudeness taken, notice however that I warned 'IF' Gibbs goes with a true fullback position! I was around for "Gibbs, round 1" and I know what you are saying. However I feel we shouldn't expect the Gibbs of 04 to be so stuck in his ways that the fullback position is outlawed in some way! Trying to be openminded. Sure it looks like half the roster right now is an H-back possiblity but until they get into camp and play the preseason games things may change. Some guys at H may outright suck at it? The kid Cooley may be overwhelmed by what Gibbs throws at him in camp? Depending on what these guys real show Gibbs he may decide we're better off with one or two decent fullbacks that he can count on, than H-backs that may not prove to be as good as everyone seems to think. He "May" have to adapt to the personnel. Just to clear up the original post if it was taken up wrong.

[hockeygoalie29]

E8 no rudeness taken, notice however that I warned 'IF' Gibbs goes with a true fullback position! I was around for "Gibbs, round 1" and I know what you are saying. However I feel we shouldn't expect the Gibbs of 04 to be so stuck in his ways that the fullback position is outlawed in some way! Trying to be openminded. Sure it looks like half the roster right now is an H-back possiblity but until they get into camp and play the preseason games things may change. Some guys at H may outright suck at it? The kid Cooley may be overwhelmed by what Gibbs throws at him in camp? Depending on what these guys real show Gibbs he may decide we're better off with one or two decent fullbacks that he can count on, than H-backs that may not prove to be as good as everyone seems to think. He "May" have to adapt to the personnel. Just to clear up the original post if it was taken up wrong.


Took the words right out of my mouth, don't count anything out with Gibbs. He has already stated that he is changing up some of his schemes, to keep the other teams guessing. And like Jon was alluding to above, Gibbs makes the most out of who he has and bases his offense around those players abilities. If he thinks that a fullback would be what this offense needs, then I have no doubt we will have a fullback in the backfield.

[redwolf1218]

a small part of being an hback is playing in the backfield like a fullback, and then there's a whole lot more to it than that. sellers and cooley are 270. rocks not gonna beat them out. rock is 227. he needs to be either an hback, which he is not, or a backup tailback, which he was last year after injuries to canidate, betts and morton. thats where he has to beat out simon and mccollough this year, who are natural tailbacks. he might. but it's long odds.