Why not explore other deals?

[ConradCountry]

Why don't we explore other deals for Sameuls and not only focus on Ogun. Other teams are in desperate need of LT and have d-linemen and picks to give.

Cleveland for DT Gerrad Warren and 1{05} or 2{05}

New Orleans for DE Charles Grant and 2{05}

I know Warren hasn't lived up to expectations but he had 40 tackles and 5.5 sacks last year.

Charles Grant is young and had 10 sacks last year, but with Will Smith and Darren Howard in the mix who knows what the Saints are thinking.

Any other ideas on possible Sameuls trade scenarios.

[davaj]

Yeah. The Giants are in need up front. Or do we want to face Samuels twice a year? And the only thing we want from them probably are draft choices.

[redwolf1218]

he knows too much to send somewhere within the division. i hope ware cant take any info with him somewhere. someone in the division might want to pick his brain.

[badpigs442]

Not that a deal won't get done that we like, but I don't see us coming out on top of any sort of trade at this point. Not to burst anyone's bubble, but to think that their is a team out their who wants to help the Washington Redskins is silly. Our team has done a 180 from where it was last year and people are scared, already. I don't see anyone finding it in their favor to help us out. :Peace: Don't let me spoil the hope of the "ever optimists" though.

[SkinsKY]

I wouldn't trade Samuels for anything less than a top tier DE or a lot of high draft picks. But, he's not worth it! I know, but that's what it will take for me to trade him. He may not be worth it now, but when he, Portis, and whichever QB of ours is eating Pineapple in February, Mr. Samuels will have played a large role. Mark my words.

[badpigs442]

I wouldn't trade Samuels for anything less than a top tier DE or a lot of high draft picks. But, he's not worth it! I know, but that's what it will take for me to trade him. He may not be worth it now, but when he, Portis, and whichever QB of ours is eating Pineapple in February, Mr. Samuels will have played a large role. Mark my words.

I'll see your Idea of Samuels in Hawaii, and raise you to the notion that he will be our best OL by next year.

[truant]

Pro Bowl LTs don't grow on trees, so i don't think that a team would be doing us that big of a favor in taking Samuels.

Player for player trades are extremely rare, that's why i don't see anything going on other than Wale from Miami.

Those aren't bad options Conrad, but I think it's Wale or bust. I don't see the FO bending over backwards to get rid of Samuels or to add another player. But if Wale wants out of Miami badly enough, you can bet that Snyder will make another pitch.

[hockeygoalie29]

Yeah. The Giants are in need up front. Or do we want to face Samuels twice a year? And the only thing we want from them probably are draft choices.

Draft choices from the Giants?!?! Are you kidding?!?! For what draft, 2020?
:lol1:

Maybe a pick and Strahan. He's not that happy with the rebuilding going on up there.

[LATrueRedskin]

It's worth a look to shop him around, but we might as well keep him this year. Screw it.

[hail2skins]

I see no need to trade him right now. I just do not see it.

[GoDannyBoy]

Does he have any value next year? I think that everyone knows that we are shopping him and would have already given us there best offers. My guess is the offers were not that good or he would have been out of here during the draft.

Kind of sad to see that there is no interest in Trotter. I think that goes to show that teams tend to like what they have instead of an unknown player. If were don't do anything before camp I would say stay with the guys we have and play out the year. I don't think that we will do that bad with what we got.

[IowaSkinsFan]

Why don't we explore other deals for Sameuls and not only focus on Ogun. Other teams are in desperate need of LT and have d-linemen and picks to give.

Cleveland for DT Gerrad Warren and 1{05} or 2{05}

New Orleans for DE Charles Grant and 2{05}

I know Warren hasn't lived up to expectations but he had 40 tackles and 5.5 sacks last year.

Charles Grant is young and had 10 sacks last year, but with Will Smith and Darren Howard in the mix who knows what the Saints are thinking.

Any other ideas on possible Sameuls trade scenarios.

You would be asking teams to solve one problem by creating another. Good DE are worth their weight in gold.

[REDMAN]

You would be asking teams to solve one problem by creating another. Good DE are worth their weight in gold.

very true.

[Patrick]

I see no need to trade him right now. I just do not see it.

EXACTLY...... let's work on Team Development!!!!

[redwolf1218]

Does anyone which came first...us asking about ogunleye, or miami asking about samuels?

[ihatedallas]

Why don't we explore other deals for Sameuls and not only focus on Ogun. Other teams are in desperate need of LT and have d-linemen and picks to give.

Cleveland for DT Gerrad Warren and 1{05} or 2{05}

New Orleans for DE Charles Grant and 2{05}

I know Warren hasn't lived up to expectations but he had 40 tackles and 5.5 sacks last year.

Charles Grant is young and had 10 sacks last year, but with Will Smith and Darren Howard in the mix who knows what the Saints are thinking.

Any other ideas on possible Sameuls trade scenarios.

Its no that were just concentrated on ogun, they need to get rid of him and we have somebody to do it with, its not like were shopping around samuels

[ConradCountry]

You would be asking teams to solve one problem by creating another. Good DE are worth their weight in gold.

How is giving up Charles Grant creating a problem for the saints. They will then line up Darren Howard and Will Smith. If that was a problem then give me that problem any day of the week.

[redwolf1218]

i dont know if anyone already posted this, but i was reading mort's latest chat from espn, and a question about the samuels/ogunleye deal came up...

skinsfan (MS): Hey Mort, Please take a question from me! I'm wondering about the rumors of Washington trying to acquire DE Ogunleye from the Dolphins. Is there anytruth to this and if so, do you think the Skins will get him? Thanks!

Chris Mortensen: If anybody is going to get Ogunyele, the Redskins are the favorite. Dan Snyder is always willing to pay the price. There have been some discussions, but I can't lay odds for you right now.

[GolfFreak]

Why don't we explore other deals for Sameuls and not only focus on Ogun. Other teams are in desperate need of LT and have d-linemen and picks to give.

Cleveland for DT Gerrad Warren and 1{05} or 2{05}

New Orleans for DE Charles Grant and 2{05}

I know Warren hasn't lived up to expectations but he had 40 tackles and 5.5 sacks last year.

Charles Grant is young and had 10 sacks last year, but with Will Smith and Darren Howard in the mix who knows what the Saints are thinking.

Any other ideas on possible Sameuls trade scenarios.

You bring up a good point. I hope our FO has already thought of this and would shop him around before accepting the first deal.

[skinswin]

I think we should approach teams that have a surplus of good D-lineman. the Saints in my opinion have the best surplus in football. A Samuels/Grant trade would be great for both teams.

I'm not sure of the state of the O-line of the Saints but I'd be willing to bet they could use an upgrade like Samuels.

[smoot]

i would like to trade samuels for mike rucker and al wallace from the panthers, that would be a great trade for us

[smoak]

I wouldn't trade Samuels for anything less than a top tier DE or a lot of high draft picks. But, he's not worth it! I know, but that's what it will take for me to trade him. He may not be worth it now, but when he, Portis, and whichever QB of ours is eating Pineapple in February, Mr. Samuels will have played a large role. Mark my words.

i agree... not sure on who will be eating pineapple, but i think he is too important to just trade away...

plus, it takes two to tango and trades in the NFL are very rare... especially for star players.

i say stand pat and prepare for battle with the men we've got!

[skinswin]

i would like to trade samuels for mike rucker and al wallace from the panthers, that would be a great trade for us


It won't happen because it's not good for the Panthers. A deal like this has to look good for both teams. That's the only way both teams would come to the table.

[smoot]

but the panthers lost 4/5ths of their o-line during the offseason and are now weak on the line and wallace is a backup for them so i dont see why it isnt a good deal for them

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

i would like to trade samuels for mike rucker and al wallace from the panthers, that would be a great trade for us
if that happened, dan snyder and co. would get arrested for robbery.

[davaj]

Draft choices from the Giants?!?! Are you kidding?!?! For what draft, 2020?
:lol1:

Maybe a pick and Strahan. He's not that happy with the rebuilding going on up there.
Oh yeah!! I guess Manning was a little costly huh.

[redwolf1218]

if that happened, dan snyder and co. would get arrested for robbery.
i think they are already on probation for tampering. hahaha

[smoot]

if that happened, dan snyder and co. would get arrested for robbery.

lol, that would be great because that might mean snyder would have to sell the francise and we could be rid of him forever :)

[ConradCountry]

I don't want to deal Sameuls just for the sake of dealing Sameuls. I would be happy with a trade only if it netted us draft picks but we could get a guy like Kiwanuka or Spears or Pollack next year to add pass rush it seems it is a bit late to be making deals.

[IowaSkinsFan]

How is giving up Charles Grant creating a problem for the saints. They will then line up Darren Howard and Will Smith. If that was a problem then give me that problem any day of the week.

Will Smith, like all rookies, is unproven. They know what they have in Grant. Trading him automatically reduces their depth and creates a question mark at one end, hence solving one problem and creating another.

[IowaSkinsFan]

Does anyone which came first...us asking about ogunleye, or miami asking about samuels?

We inquired first, they supposedley shot back with the Samuels trade scenario, but that has never been confirmed by Miami that I know of.

[redwolf1218]

We inquired first, they supposedley shot back with the Samuels trade scenario, but that has never been confirmed by Miami that I know of.
ahhh. the plot thickens. i imagine we offered a first round pick and they countered with samuels. then a lot of head scratching ensued, and a verbal argument between buges and williams. hahaha. gibbs already let williams have shawn taylor in the draft. i doubt he'll be willing to back down from QB protection to get an end. the questions now will be, how has the physical therapy progressed on samuels' surgically repaired shoulder, and can the backups become starters and provide quality run blocking and pass protection under Bugel, enough so to satisfy him and Gibbs. add to that the necessary business end of the bargain, the cap implications, present and future, this being the part of the NFL that is new to Gibbs, but which Bugel and Williams are accustomed to, and the great minds in the staff should be able to arrive at the best over-all decision for the team.

[IowaSkinsFan]

ahhh. the plot thickens. i imagine we offered a first round pick and they countered with samuels. then a lot of head scratching ensued, and a verbal argument between buges and williams. hahaha. gibbs already let williams have shawn taylor in the draft. i doubt he'll be willing to back down from QB protection to get an end. the questions now will be, how has the physical therapy progressed on samuels' surgically repaired shoulder, and can the backups become starters and provide quality run blocking and pass protection under Bugel, enough so to satisfy him and Gibbs. add to that the necessary business end of the bargain, the cap implications, present and future, this being the part of the NFL that is new to Gibbs, but which Bugel and Williams are accustomed to, and the great minds in the staff should be able to arrive at the best over-all decision for the team.

I personally don't think anything is going to happen with this situation. Miami, worse case scenario, will get Ogunleye for half the season. If he sits out the whole thing, he won't get credit for an accrued season and therefore miss out on unrestricted Free Agency. I think he is headed for a Franchise tag next season.

[redwolf1218]

I personally don't think anything is going to happen with this situation. Miami, worse case scenario, will get Ogunleye for half the season. If he sits out the whole thing, he won't get credit for an accrued season and therefore miss out on unrestricted Free Agency. I think he is headed for a Franchise tag next season.
this is a very good point. they get him for half the season for what? $450 K? what a deal! he will still have to perform because in his mind he'll be heading into free agency or as you mentioned, the franchise tag. so miami gets the premiere sack artist of the AFC in a contract year for the minimum salary.