QB Starter poll

[frenchskinsfan]

going along with Pennskinsfan thread "QB update", and surfing on the sportswriters "garbage time" wave, here's a poll about who will start at QB by week 1.

Tell how you rate the chances for Brunell (I could've chosen Ramsey either) to start after TC battle for the spot.

from and above 80 % means : Brunell is already the designated starter in Gibbs' mind, no matter what happens during TC and PS games (except an injury), he will certainly start.

Btw 51 % and 79 % means : Brunell has a clear edge on Ramsey, but if Ramsey plays greatfully during Tc and PS games, he could win the job

50 % : It's all square, anybody's game, let the best win it. Gibbs really has no idea right now and relies on TC and PS games to help him make his decision

Btw 21 % and 49 % : Ramsey has a clear edge on Brunell, but if Brunell plays greatfully during Tc and PS games, he could win the job

less than to 20 % : Ramsey is already the designated starter, no matter what happens during TC and PS games.

I think it's somewhere around 65 % to 70 % right now.

[IowaSkinsFan]

Brunell, from and above 80%. You don't put $8 million on the bench.

If Ramsey somehow winds up being the starter during week 1, you will see his agent, who is it, Jimmy Sexton?, make the Postons look like amatuers in asking for a large signing bonus.

[GolfFreak]

I went with 50% since I think Gibbs will pick the best QB. And I think Gibbs will put $8 mill on the bench if it's right for the team.

[PA Skins Girl]

I think Brunnell chances are 55-60% that he will start.

As a side note, Ramsey's contract is incentive based. I wonder what the assumption is for him in terms of starting, for purposes of figuring his cap value this year? If high assumptions are made and he doesn't reach them, we get a cap credit next year.

[PennSkinsFan]

Brunnell was paid to start and will start.

[cwh25]

I agree with ISF, I don't the they are paying Brunell all that money not to be the starter at the beginning of the season.

[REDMAN]

80%

[Patrick]

You'd think it would be fair competition because that's what the media reported that Gibbs told Ramsey. ...... BUT it won't be. Ramsey starts only if MB falls flat during TC/PS. If both are playing well or even if Patrick is playing better BUT both are doing a good job - MB starts. ..... But IMO - that will not be how the season will end.

[PA Skins Girl]

While I think Brunell has a better than average chance of EARNING the starting spot, I dont think money has as much to do with it as people think.

The cap hit for Brunell this year is about $2.2 million vs. about $1.8 million for Ramsey.

[hockeygoalie29]

I'm pretty sure Brunell starts in week 1, but by week 3 or 4 Ramsey overtakes him, and not due to injury. Oh, and Brunel's contract only gets heavy in the last few years, I believe they are pretty even this year, so money will have nothing to do with it.

[tommahawk]

Patrick is still very young so I think Gibbs will want him to start the season on the sideline. If Brunell should faulter Joe won't waist too much time putting Patrick in though.

[ihatedallas]

i voted 51-79 its higher then half n half but not much

[redwolf1218]

i'd like to be patient with ramsey. it was painful to watch him getting killed last year. i hope spurrier's only lasting legacy will NOT be the loss of stephen davis and the fact that he eventually sent ramsey to the operating table. this kid needs his foot to heal, fully and completely, with all mobility returning, and no loss of technique due to overcompensating for a sore foot. he also needs time to watch and learn from gibbs and brunell. this could be the greatest thing that ever happened to him.

[IndianBaller27]

IMO 74%

[IndianBaller27]

But I think almost every Redskins fan wants Patrick Ramsey to start, but Joe Gibbs likes veterans as we all know. So Brunnel will get the starting job.

[Spence]

Absent an injury or the sort of awful performance Brunell has never offered in the NFL, he will be the starter on opening day.

[GeneralDisorder]

Agreed. Brunell to start, but based on the first three or four games of last season, he'll have to play well to keep Ramsey out...

[BandWagon]

I love Ram...I think he's going to be a fantastic QB for us. I think he's got the physical skills to compete for the job, but I've got to believe Brunell's mental game and decision making is probably significantly better at this point and he should get the nod. I think he probably does give us the best chance to win at this point.

[Wild Bore]

But I think almost every Redskins fan wants Patrick Ramsey to start, but Joe Gibbs likes veterans as we all know. So Brunnel will get the starting job.

I think it could go either way as evidenced by Gibb's first tour. He definitely wants a vetern QB, but does not necessarily start him. In 1985, Jay Schroeder was learning behind Thiesman. In 1986, Shroeder became the starter, but Gibbs went out and got a vetern backup, Doug Williams. In 1988, Williams tutored a young Mark Rypien. When Rypien finally earned the starting job and Williams retired, Gibbs went out and got a vetern Jeff Rutledge to back him up.

Brunnell and Ramsey sure fit the pattern. Which way it will go is still unclear.

[smoot]

one thing that ramsey will learn this year that he was absolutely horrible at last year was calling audibles, he will really develop this year as it will be the year that all rookie qb's need to be tutored before being tossed into the fire, it just so happens that ramseys training year come 2 years late

[Wild Bore]

one thing that ramsey will learn this year that he was absolutely horrible at last year was calling audibles

Yeah, but under Spurrier's "chuck and duck" system, I think everyone had trouble with the audibles. I guess it's tough when the audible is something like "You go long!"

[NCskinsfanatic]

Bruenell's the guy and barring injury I think all the skins fans that said we overpaid or that Mark is washed up will be proven wrong.

[whistleandthumb]

Brunell's gonna start. I wish it was my boy Ramsey, but it won't be. But with the core of Redskin fans loving Ramsey, I wouldn't be suprised to hear the boo-birds come quickly if Brunell stumbles the littlest bit.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

i voted 51% and 79%. i agree that brunell was brought here to start but you still have to give Ram a chance. if he runs the offense perfectly coach cant not start him.

[davaj]

I think if the OL performs well Ramsey might show that he is on another level.
Marinoish. If so, you gotta give him a shot. If he outperforms Brunell by far, he will not be a happy camper on the bench, or "IN THE LOCKERROOM". :banghead:

[AGibbsGirl]

I don't think a coach flies all the way to Florida to whoo a guy he doesn't plan to start.

I like the way PA Skins Girl laid out the money issue though, gets you thinking...

But I know Gibbs likes his vets in the pocket...so I say from above 80% Brunell starts...now, whether he holds on to that position is another matter all together...

[IowaSkinsFan]

While I think Brunell has a better than average chance of EARNING the starting spot, I dont think money has as much to do with it as people think.

The cap hit for Brunell this year is about $2.2 million vs. about $1.8 million for Ramsey.

Cap hits aside, that's not the number that is important. It's the check wrote and cashed for $8 million that really matters.

[RedskinsVision]

Brunell will play his heart out for Gibbs and his last hoorah at a championship.. every game i've seen him in he's always playing at a higher level and is very dangerous.. he's a smart and elusive qb and will be used in the same ways Joey T. was used but Brunell's more talented and will show the NFL how 21st century Gibbs style offense shall be run.

[IowaSkinsFan]

I don't question his effort while playing. He is, however, 34 years old with a recent elbow injury. I wonder if he can still bring it, like Ramsey can. His legs aren't what they used to be either.

[RedskinsVision]

he is coming back from injuries but w/ almost a full year off he's back healthier than ever.. Gibbs and the team wouldn't have given him that $8M SB w/ out a thorough physical examination so they know he should be back to normal.. and don't forget B. Johnson was 34 and R. Gannon was 38 when they faced off in SB XXXVII, Elway was 38 when he won back to back and S. Young was 34 when he won. age doesn't matter that much anymore w/ modern day medicine and the overall conditioning of the athletes.. even Navritilova still is swinging it at 47 although she's getting her racket handed to her. i believe Brunell will give us a good 3 years w/ out showing "old age."

[IowaSkinsFan]

he is coming back from injuries but w/ almost a full year off he's back healthier than ever.. Gibbs and the team wouldn't have given him that $8M SB w/ out a thorough physical examination so they know he should be back to normal.. and don't forget B. Johnson was 34 and R. Gannon was 38 when they faced off in SB XXXVII, Elway was 38 when he won back to back and S. Young was 34 when he won. age doesn't matter that much anymore w/ modern day medicine and the overall conditioning of the athletes.. even Navritilova still is swinging it at 47 although she's getting her racket handed to her. i believe Brunell will give us a good 3 years w/ out showing "old age."

It will be interesting to see how it plays out. If he does give us 3 good years, it will really throw a wrench into the Patrick Ramsey scenario, since he has 3 years left on his contract. Plus, if Brunell is the starter all of this year, barring injury, you are going to see Ramsey's agent, if not Ramsey himself, playing the trade card all over again. No way Ramsey's agent will let him sit on the bench for 3 years when all of Ramsey's escalators are based on playing time and being the starter.

That greedy agent! He's as bad as the Postons.

[RedskinsVision]

LoL .. good rebuttal to your colorful argument w/ mr. rskinsfan10 on "Taylor close to hiring Agent" thread.

[IowaSkinsFan]

LoL .. good rebuttal to your colorful argument w/ mr. rskinsfan10 on "Taylor close to hiring Agent" thread.

Why thank you. I'm glad someone picked up on that self deprecating humor.

[bantu]

To be honest, this is a win-win situation for us, sans Brunell's cap number. We have two qualified starters...which is just plain smart to have. We don't have one guy that is the "man" and some pretty good filler behind him; we have two guys that could change the game by themselves. True backups don't change games, they manage them. They simpilify the plays, try to not throw any picks and try to not do too much. I love the fact that we have two guys that can put this team on their shoulders. It makes me feel confident about our offense this year.