Did we overpay Taylor?

[Ramsey2Moss]

Poll.

[akhhorus]

oh..here we go.

[SkinsCT]

No way. His base is incredibly reasonable, and if he does reach his incentives to get near the 40 million mark then he is worth it. I was actually surprised when I saw it was only 7 years, 18 miliion.

[RedskinRyan]

No way. His base is incredibly reasonable, and if he does reach his incentives to get near the 40 million mark then he is worth it. I was actually surprised when I saw it was only 7 years, 18 miliion.

yeah, i like incentive deals. it makes players actually work for their money, and they get paid what they are worth. and 7yrs 18mil is amazingly low.

[Skin Tight]

I thought the deal was reasonable. Good job FO.

[redwolf1218]

everyone has voted "no...i like the deal." the incentives and future bonuses are a great idea. i think it is masterful to get such a great deal done in such a short amount of time. it says a lot about the agents and the redskins front office.

[Ramsey2Moss]

oh..here we go.
seperating the winslow lovers from the taylor lovers. :sfight:

[smoak]

i haven't read all the contract details, but so far i love it!

[hockeygoalie29]

Did we overpay Taylor?

Are you kidding....I now have a newfound love for Taylor and his agents, I wish they were all this easy!

[GoDannyBoy]

If the deal is structured the way I think, then I think our Front Office is on to a new trend. Pay players what they are worth.

The recent rookies have sign relatively low paying contracts, esp for 2nd and 3rd rounds. Then if the guy turns out to be real good he gets mad because he is the lowest paid "star" at his position (Portis with Broncos) and demands a new contract. The team either gives him a new contract (big dollars because he is a star), the guy is traded as a disgruntaled player or he sit out a season(maybe Ogun?).

In our case if Taylor is a "star" we will pay him star money and he will be a happy Redskin. We could still trade him and he would be under contract so another team would not have to negoiate a new contract. If he does not turn into a star he is making regular rookie money and we have not lost anything!

The big thing this contract avoids is giving the guy all the money up front. It seems in the past when a lot of guys hit the lottery they are not that excited about football anymore. I hope we see a lot more of these contracts.

[garedskin]

Performance structured.Cant go wrong with that. :Peace:

[redwolf1218]

Performance structured.Cant go wrong with that. :Peace:
i hope he meets all his incentives and makes his play on the field count for more money. i agree, you cant go wrong with that.

[hockeygoalie29]

If the deal is structured the way I think, then I think our Front Office is on to a new trend. Pay players what they are worth.

The recent rookies have sign relatively low paying contracts, esp for 2nd and 3rd rounds. Then if the guy turns out to be real good he gets mad because he is the lowest paid "star" at his position (Portis with Broncos) and demands a new contract. The team either gives him a new contract (big dollars because he is a star), the guy is traded as a disgruntaled player or he sit out a season(maybe Ogun?).

In our case if Taylor is a "star" we will pay him star money and he will be a happy Redskin. We could still trade him and he would be under contract so another team would not have to negoiate a new contract. If he does not turn into a star he is making regular rookie money and we have not lost anything!

The big thing this contract avoids is giving the guy all the money up front. It seems in the past when a lot of guys hit the lottery they are not that excited about football anymore. I hope we see a lot more of these contracts.


Wasn't Cooley's deal structured the same way?

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

no way. its an excellent contract. make him work for his money.

[PennSkinsFan]

Why do we always do an overpay poll everytime we sign someone. Would you rather not overpay, lose players, then sit here and discuss what a horrible front office wehave, like Cardinal fans. i REFUSE to vote in this one. Bottom line is, Taylor is in town, in town to stay for years, and camp is HERE! Gibbs is back!

[Redskinfan28]

No problem with Taylor's contract. Its good that he signed before Manning. That contract will be trouble.

[28thegreat]

Although it probably is wishful thinking, I would very much like to see this kind of contract as a trend in pro football. We all admit and could get into a rich discussion on the merits of people in this business making this kind of money compared to the money say their high school teachers made. I think that an athlete's pay ought to be determined by his performance primarily. How some of these guys can take the money when they have poor performance years is one of the hardest things about pro sports for me to figure out.

[redwolf1218]

No problem with Taylor's contract. Its good that he signed before Manning. That contract will be trouble.
i think you are right, and number 1 and 6 will be trouble too. switching 1 and 4 throws a wrench into everything. it's amazing we got taylor's deal done so fast.

[Patrick]

LMAO ……most pro athletes are over paid!!!!
President of the US makes $200,000/year (it might be up to 300 but regardless) + benifits that wouldn't even be minimum wage in the NFL.

[badpigs442]

i haven't read all the contract details, but so far i love it!

Looks good to me.

[redwolf1218]

i heard an arguement once about pro athletes being paid too much and the comparison was the olsen twins. mary kate and ashley made over 40 million each before they were 18. i guess that means their parents made it. i need to teach my kid acting instead of football.

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

Why do we always do an overpay poll everytime we sign someone. Would you rather not overpay, lose players, then sit here and discuss what a horrible front office wehave, like Cardinal fans. i REFUSE to vote in this one. Bottom line is, Taylor is in town, in town to stay for years, and camp is HERE! Gibbs is back!
Thanks!!

No more arguments to those who call Sean Taylor a punk. People, I know some of you don't like him, but he's a Redskin now... give him some support. Kellen Winslow is a BROWN. End of story.

1. Draft Winslow!
2. Taylor would have been better
3. Taylor doesn't have an agent
4. Taylor will never be signed by training camp
5. Did we overpay Taylor???

Come on! What's next??
6. Don't worry, he'll retire just like Ricky Williams one day before TC

[redwolf1218]

so far the voting is 25 to 1. who voted for the "stupid snyder doesn it again" choice?

[PyroGenic]

I don't know why anybody would think that we overpaid him, its fair for both sides and might even be a steal for us. Is this less than what Newman got last year? I guess it might be because Safeties get paid less the CBs but still..

[Aurej]

Who don't we overpay?
He's a rookie and being not only a first rounder but fifth overall he should be making 5 times rookie minimum with a signing bonus of 2 million not 12. What he's getting is rather ridiculous.

The only top 5 picks I have real respect for so far are Larry Fitzgerald and Robert Gallery.

[hockeygoalie29]

Who don't we overpay?
He's a rookie and being not only a first rounder but fifth overall he should be making 5 times rookie minimum with a signing bonus of 2 million not 12. What he's getting is rather ridiculous.

The only top 5 picks I have real respect for so far are Larry Fitzgerald and Robert Gallery.

You have got to be kidding...wow, I'm speachless...I can't even go into the many reasons this is a great deal.....someone help.... :twak:

[PyroGenic]

Who don't we overpay?
He's a rookie and being not only a first rounder but fifth overall he should be making 5 times rookie minimum with a signing bonus of 2 million not 12. What he's getting is rather ridiculous.

The only top 5 picks I have real respect for so far are Larry Fitzgerald and Robert Gallery.

you should wait and see what the other top 5 picks are gonna do, if you think this contract is ridiculous wait till you see manning's

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

Who don't we overpay?
He's a rookie and being not only a first rounder but fifth overall he should be making 5 times rookie minimum with a signing bonus of 2 million not 12. What he's getting is rather ridiculous.

The only top 5 picks I have real respect for so far are Larry Fitzgerald and Robert Gallery.
Are you a Redskins fan? Or just a Taylor hater?

Yeah, Pyro is right, wait until you see the rest of the contracts for the Top 6. Yes, 6.

[hockeygoalie29]

Kellen Winslow is a BROWN. End of story.


You know I would find it very funny if the Browns used Taylors contract as a cap on what they will give Winslow... :rolleyes:

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

You know I would find it very funny if the Browns used Taylors contract as a cap on what they will give Winslow... :rolleyes:
Well, they should. Taylor #5, Winslow #6, but they wont. The will want Eli money.

[GoDannyBoy]

You know I would find it very funny if the Browns used Taylors contract as a cap on what they will give Winslow... :rolleyes:

That would be way funny!!!

[lsuredskin]

It's a fair contract and we are entering this year on a good note. All picks signed and no hold outs.

[hockeygoalie29]

It's a fair contract and we are entering this year on a good note. All picks signed and no hold outs.

Not to mention Lavar seems to have put his greivance behind him and Ramsey is ready to compete...

[redwolf1218]

Not to mention Lavar seems to have put his greivance behind him and Ramsey is ready to compete...
all good signs. the best start i can remember in many years. i still think the olsen twins are overpaid.

[badpigs442]

Not to mention Lavar seems to have put his greivance behind him and Ramsey is ready to compete...

Startin' to come together!

[skins111111]

sorry i couldn't vote on that one...not enough information......gotta believe in the FO

[Spence]

We overpaid if he doesn't turn into an all-star by his second season.

[dj_stouty]

Who don't we overpay?
He's a rookie and being not only a first rounder but fifth overall he should be making 5 times rookie minimum with a signing bonus of 2 million not 12. What he's getting is rather ridiculous.

Only 2 million? LOL. It doesn't look like you are very familiar with the "going rate" for a top 5 draft pick. This isn't about the "Redskins" overpaying...its about the "League" overpaying. As a fan, we should just get used to this...

The only top 5 picks I have real respect for so far are Larry Fitzgerald and Robert Gallery.

Both of which have yet to sign for their teams, as of the time I post this...

[redwolf1218]

i take back what i said about the olsen twins. they are pretty. it is hard work, making all those movies. however, they will probably never need a knee operation or suffer a concussion. taylor was paid the going rate. actually, i thought the deal was very favorable for the skins, considering they made the deal without any consideration of the other deals in the top 5. instead they apparently just went off of what the pick got in the same position last year, which is the way it should be done. we are lucky to have him signed in time like this.

[LATrueRedskin]

I like the deal. Doesn't sound outrageous to me at all. It surprises me that nobody else in the top 10 has signed a contract yet. Kinda odd.

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

I like the deal. Doesn't sound outrageous to me at all. It surprises me that nobody else in the top 10 has signed a contract yet. Kinda odd.
The funny thing is that everybody thought Sean would be one of the last signing.

[LATrueRedskin]

The funny thing is that everybody thought Sean would be one of the last signing.

Yeah I didn't think he'd sign a contract so quickly after hiring his agents. I guess everybody is waiting for the no.1 to sign.

[redwolf1218]

I like the deal. Doesn't sound outrageous to me at all. It surprises me that nobody else in the top 10 has signed a contract yet. Kinda odd.
i agree. i thought fitzgerald and dennis green were all buddy buddy, i figured he'd sign right away.

[HanburgerBum]

Who don't we overpay?
He's a rookie and being not only a first rounder but fifth overall he should be making 5 times rookie minimum with a signing bonus of 2 million not 12. What he's getting is rather ridiculous.

The only top 5 picks I have real respect for so far are Larry Fitzgerald and Robert Gallery.

Where have you been these last few years, Aurej, marooned on an island or in a space station? Two million dollar bonus? For a No. 25 pick maybe, but not for a No. 5 pick. You are aware that in NFL contracts only the bonus is guaranteed? Taylor could tear up a knee on his first play and never make another dime.

This is an incredibly good deal for the Redskins. According to ESPN, the total amount is 18 million, with a 13 million bonus (only 7.2 million paid now). The contract is laden with incentives that can get him a lot more money. This tells me that Taylor is very confident of his ability to reach these incentives.

This is the type of contract all teams and players should strive for. Players who perform should get paid, over-rated players (Stubblefield, Trotter, Wilkinson, Shuler, to name a few) shouldn't be able to just cost and get fat paychecks.

Taylor's willingness to be paid based upon his performance is a sign of maturity. Let me be the first to apologize. I have had some doubts about his recent behavior, but this is great first step on his part.

[redwolf1218]

well said Hanburger. i actually believe it was a great deal for the skins to get him signed with part of the bonus delayed and lots of performance incentives. not to mention the time frame...getting it done so quickly was a huge bonus.

[NCskinsfanatic]

IMHO we didnt overpay at all, if anything we helped guard against having to re-do his deal in a year b/c he has out performed his rookie contract. They were origionally saying a 14 million bonus and 20 million contract, If I'm reading it correctly it is a total of around 13 in bonus and a 18 mil contract. I mean he was the 5th pick right?

[redwolf1218]

IMHO we didnt overpay at all, if anything we helped guard against having to re-do his deal in a year b/c he has out performed his rookie contract. They were origionally saying a 14 million bonus and 20 million contract, If I'm reading it correctly it is a total of around 13 in bonus and a 18 mil contract. I mean he was the 5th pick right?
those numbers sound similar to the deal for last years 5th pick terrence newman. i'm sure many of the particulars are different, but the bonus, and the total, and the fact that the bonus is not paid up front all at once, sounds similar to newmans deal, if i recall it correctly. to answer the question once and for all i'm saying in my opinion hell no we didnt overpay. we lost champ bailey from our secondary, but we upgraded the safety position and thus filled a huge need that has been a problem for this team for years. david terrel, sam shade, heck i cant remember all the names that have played both the strong and free safety position for us over the last 5 or 10 years. taylor, bowen and iffy are a strong group of safeties.

[Aurej]

I've never said any of their contracts aren't ridiculous. Way I see it is football players live a dream, they play a game for a job. I never got paid for playing dodgeball in gym class. My point is no one should be making over say 5 million a year for playing football, even that is excessive.

[IowaSkinsFan]

The deal that he signed is amazingly low, IMO. Consider this, in 1994, as the third pick, Heath Shuler signed an 8 year, $19 million dollar contract.

I think this is a great deal.

[IndianBaller27]

No way man!! It was 18m right? Over 7 years. Laveranues Coles gets paid twice as much. It's a great deal

[redwolf1218]

I've never said any of their contracts aren't ridiculous. Way I see it is football players live a dream, they play a game for a job. I never got paid for playing dodgeball in gym class. My point is no one should be making over say 5 million a year for playing football, even that is excessive.
i see what you mean, you are saying sports as an entertainment in America carries too much importance and therefore athletes get paid too much money for playing a game, but that's not really the question here in this forum. it's all relative, and taylor's deal, relative to his status, position, pick slot in the draft, the perception of sports as entertainment in America and the advertizing and money that goes along with that, blah blah, etc...it was an awesome deal for the skins IMO. for everyone concerned really. taylor negotiated a lower percentage for the agent i believe...we got a guy who should strive to meet performance incentives to make more money, and taylor gets to let his actions prove his worth.

[smoak]

The deal that he signed is amazingly low, IMO. Consider this, in 1994, as the third pick, Heath Shuler signed an 8 year, $19 million dollar contract.

I think this is a great deal.

you know, some of us just ate lunch.

[SkinsKY]

I've never said any of their contracts aren't ridiculous. Way I see it is football players live a dream, they play a game for a job. I never got paid for playing dodgeball in gym class. My point is no one should be making over say 5 million a year for playing football, even that is excessive.

Then where would that money go? To the owners? It was the players who earned the revenue for the owners. The only way contracts would go down was if us fans stop supporting our teams. If we never buy another ticket and cause the franchises to become bankrupt the salaries will drop, but a it stands, it is our money along with advertising money (which gets paid because companies know we are their audience) that pays for the salary. I would love $5million, but I'm not in that high of a demand.

[smoak]

those numbers sound similar to the deal for last years 5th pick terrence newman. i'm sure many of the particulars are different, but the bonus, and the total, and the fact that the bonus is not paid up front all at once, sounds similar to newmans deal, if i recall it correctly. to answer the question once and for all i'm saying in my opinion hell no we didnt overpay. we lost champ bailey from our secondary, but we upgraded the safety position and thus filled a huge need that has been a problem for this team for years. david terrel, sam shade, heck i cant remember all the names that have played both the strong and free safety position for us over the last 5 or 10 years. taylor, bowen and iffy are a strong group of safeties.

stanley richard... urgh.

[redwolf1218]

stanley richard... urgh.
oh yea. the "sheriff", but he was more like barney fife.

[ConradCountry]

I have no problem with the deal I think that it is more then reasonable. He gets paid if he plays well.

So when he becomes a star he will get star oney because of the incentives and we don't have to pay him like one until he becomes a star.

Great Deal, happy it Got Done so fast, love Taylor, love the agents, love the Dan.

It is a great time to be a Redskin fan.

[hockeygoalie29]

I've never said any of their contracts aren't ridiculous. Way I see it is football players live a dream, they play a game for a job. I never got paid for playing dodgeball in gym class. My point is no one should be making over say 5 million a year for playing football, even that is excessive.

Ever have to undergo reconstructive knee surgery or have multiple concussions from dodgeball? Or how about lay in bed from Monday to Wednesday 'cause your to beat up to get out? Hell yeah they deserve it. Not to mention their salaries that they get for 10 or so years (if they're lucky) has to last the rest of their lives.

[colkurtz]

OMG - have you seen what Gallery (#2 pick - Oakland) is going to sign for?
Eli Manning will probably settle for the Empire State Building or just one of the bridges (and tolls).......... This contract is a :

Reasonable deal; done quickly; money is very comparable to last years #5 pick; and Sean Taylor still gets to [full] Training Camp on time.............

What's not to like?

I think this forum has expended more brain bytes talking about the pros and cons of Sean Taylor - than it would take to re-design the Space Shuttle. Am I the only one who just wants to see him hit somebody?

[Ok, I admit it - I am NOT a Rocket Scientist].

[redwolf1218]

OMG - have you seen what Gallery (#2 pick - Oakland) is going to sign for?
Eli Manning will probably settle for the Empire State Building or just one of the bridges (and tolls).......... This contract is a :

Reasonable deal; done quickly; money is very comparable to last years #5 pick; and Sean Taylor still gets to [full] Training Camp on time.............

What's not to like?

I think this forum has expended more brain bytes talking about the pros and cons of Sean Taylor - than it would take to re-design the Space Shuttle. Am I the only one who just wants to see him hit somebody?

[Ok, I admit it - I am NOT a Rocket Scientist].
the brain bytes expended on the entire sean taylor are probably a close second to coles's toe.

[smoak]

it really is to the point where i'd rather not have a top 5 pick... they money they get without ever playing a down is insane!

taylor's deal was great for both sides.

[smoak]

Ever have to undergo reconstructive knee surgery or have multiple concussions from dodgeball? Or how about lay in bed from Monday to Wednesday 'cause your to beat up to get out? Hell yeah they deserve it. Not to mention their salaries that they get for 10 or so years (if they're lucky) has to last the rest of their lives.

they don't get paid b/c of the wear and tear... they get pad b/c we (fans) pay so much money to see it. if people quit going, everything will adjust down.

[RoanokeSkin]

Are you kidding....I now have a newfound love for Taylor and his agents, I wish they were all this easy!


No kidding. Why cant Lavar use these guys?

[redwolf1218]

they don't get paid b/c of the wear and tear... they get pad b/c we (fans) pay so much money to see it. if people quit going, everything will adjust down.
exactly. it's all Tv and advertizing, like any entertainment. the money they get paid is worth it to them more so than other entertainers, or let me say more justified, because of the pain they suffer through for the rest of their lives.

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

No kidding. Why cant Lavar use these guys?
I think he is mad at the Postons, maybe he will. It would cause a shock around the league (Law, Pace, Winslow, etc).

[hockeygoalie29]

they don't get paid b/c of the wear and tear... they get pad b/c we (fans) pay so much money to see it. if people quit going, everything will adjust down.

I never said they were being paid because of wear and tear, and how the money they are paid with is gotten by the owner is irrelevant. All I'm saying is that I can justify them being paid as much as they are being paid because of the punishment they have to endure. Unlike an actor who gets paid millions for talking to a camera, pro athletes have to sacrafice their bodies and live with the reacurring pain of old injuries for the rest of their lives.