PFT: Ogunleye to Cincy? and another rumor involving Skins'

[RedskinsVision]

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

the rumor w/ us involved in a 3 way deal sounds more intriguing than the Cincy one...

OGUNLEYE TO CINCY?

At a time when we're getting flooded with rumors regarding possible trade scenarios involving Miami defensive end Adewale Ogunleye (including a three-way trade that would send Ogunleye to D.C., Edgerrin James to Miami, and picks and Travis Minor to Indy), we're hearing rumblings regarding a possible deal between the Bengals and the Dolphins centering on running back Rudi Johnson.

Johnson, a restricted free agent operating under a one-year tender, probably won't be retained by the Bengals in 2005, given the presence of 2004 first-rounder Chris Perry. But it would be very risky for the up-and-coming Bengals to dump 2003 workhorse Johnson.

Nothing likely will come of this rumor either, especially in the short term. But it's yet another possibility that should get thrown into the "what in the hell is going on?" hopper as we all wait and see whether the Fins will use a disgruntled defensive end as bait for filling the hole left by a departed running back.

[rskinsfan10]

3way trades are very uncommon in the NFL, aren't they?

[Skinzaholic]

This sounds like what it is to me... just a rumor. Last minute scrambling for something to write about before TC starts.

[Ramsey2Moss]

thatd be sweet, but won't happen.

[NCskinsfanatic]

Ummm...what do you guys reckon we are giving up to Miami to help them complete the trade with Indy....Picks? How many do we even have left after this past offseason, I think it was next years 2nd we gave up for Cooley right? What are we giving 1st and 3rd to Miami or Samuels..... I wonder? Well, guess we will all just have to wait and see.

[redwolf1218]

i dont get it. how does the 3 way trade work? after losing ricky williams, miami trades away travis minor for edgerrin james? how does ogunleye end up in DC in that exchange? we give picks to indy so they get picks from us, and minor from the fins in exchange for james, and somehow we end up with ogunleye? miami would be giving up minor and ogunleye for james...indy gives up james for minor and picks...we give up the picks for ogun...what in the world kind of rumor is that? that gives me a migraine just trying to figure it out. sounds like indy trying to dump another salary after paying manning too much.

[redwolf1218]

sounds like one of those trades in the NBA i can never figure out.

[RedskinsVision]

LoL calm down and breathe Wolf.. it's just a rumor.. but i get ya.. 3 way trades can be confusing.. but this is how it would go..

Redskins trade picks to the Colts
Colts trades E. James to Miami
Miami trades A. Ogunleye to the Skins' &..
Miami trades Minor to the Colts

EDIT: the deal seems to favor the Colts and disfavor the Phins'.. maybe we'd be sending the picks to both teams.. or better yet.. Samuels to Phins' and draft picks to Colts.. ah this rumor is blah!

[Ramsey2Moss]

hmmmmmmmmmm

[GoDannyBoy]

As much as I think that Ogun could be a Gibbs Guy, I think that we should just go with what we have. I don't think that giving up Sameul will help our running game. Giving up our backup RB sounds like trouble. I am not inclined to give up more draft picks.

I think that our offense will fire on all cylinders this year and really rock. I would love to see 30 points a game. Why risk that to pick up a dline that we might be able to live without?

And losing 35 - 36 is better than we did last year! At least it will be fun.

[GoDannyBoy]

Although these rumors should give us something to debate until camp starts. Man I can't wait for camp and some news about how all the battles are turning out.

[Ramsey2Moss]

I think I just want us to try a season now without him and pick him up as a FA next year.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

it seems to me like the.......

Redskins send pick(s) to Miami for Ogunleye

Dolphins send those pick(s) and Travis Minor to the Colts and get Edge

Colts send Edge to Miami for pick(s) and Travis Minor

...is that right???? lol....

i really dont think this is going to happen...ever....

[Emmanouel8]

3way trades are very uncommon in the NFL, aren't they?

I wouldn't put it past Snyder to make it work. If the staff wants Ogen Snyder will pioneer a 3 way trade to get him.

[GoDannyBoy]

Taylor dabbled with representing himself ....... before ultimately choosing Moorad's group after having a long talk with former University of Miami star Edgerrin James, another client of Moorad's.

Do you think that Danny and Vinny might have talked to Moorad about how Edgerrin might fit at Miami?

Hush Hush We would not want Paul Tagilibue to hear about this?

HaHa, but you never know Moorad visit Washington this rumor starts the next day?

[badpigs442]

3way trades are very uncommon in the NFL, aren't they?

Oh yeah. This is just blah blah blah we need to get paid and make news. It would be neat if it were more, but doing something like that would be similar to what some critics are saying is the raw deal about Ricky's retirement. Players who have commited to play for a team for a season all the sudden are going elsewhere. That really effect the rest of the organization, which is the reason this sort of deal is rare.

[redwolf1218]

sounds like miami trades ogun for edge. indy cant afford edge or ogun because they gave all their money to manning. so they give us ogun for picks.

[Dexter72]

This may have been mentioned, but Edge has talked about wanting to go to Miami on a couple of different occasions (like when Ricky was traded there) and he usually spends all of his offseason in Miami (remember the back and forth he got into with Manning about not being in Indy 2 or 3 years ago?) I think there is a high probability he'll end up there next season, but why would Indy deal him for draft picks when they are right on the doorstep and have one of the top 2 or 3 teams in the league? They need to win now, not build for next year.

[badpigs442]

This may have been mentioned, but Edge has talked about wanting to go to Miami on a couple of different occasions (like when Ricky was traded there) and he usually spends all of his offseason in Miami (remember the back and forth he got into with Manning about not being in Indy 2 or 3 years ago?) I think there is a high probability he'll end up there next season, but why would Indy deal him for draft picks when they are right on the doorstep and have one of the top 2 or 3 teams in the league? They need to win now, not build for next year.

Maybe they are attempting to throw Miami fans a life preserver. This trade has 0.1% chance of happening, or less. It at least gives Miami fans some hope for their team though. I don't believe it, but they might.

[redwolf1218]

that makes sense. edge wants to go to miami. indy has a one-man team now with half the cap space going to manning. now i'll never get to sleep. what if i go to sleep and RedskinsVision finds another article about a 6-way trade rumor? i'd be missing out?!!? no way!

[RedskinsVision]

:lol3:

hey what can i say.. i love news hopping to get any story on our team.. but i doubt i'll find anymore tonite.. so maybe tomorrow! :D

[SonnyandSam]

3way trades are very uncommon in the NFL, aren't they?

That's what they said about trading two pro-bowl caliber players....never done....Oh wait....We traded Champ for Portis....Damn.....Danny never plays by the accepted rules.....

[SonnyandSam]

This may have been mentioned, but Edge has talked about wanting to go to Miami on a couple of different occasions (like when Ricky was traded there) and he usually spends all of his offseason in Miami (remember the back and forth he got into with Manning about not being in Indy 2 or 3 years ago?) I think there is a high probability he'll end up there next season, but why would Indy deal him for draft picks when they are right on the doorstep and have one of the top 2 or 3 teams in the league? They need to win now, not build for next year.


Because both James and Harrison are free agents next year and the thinking is Indy can't afford to sign both with so much money wrapped up in Manning. What I have read so far this year is that Harrison is the preferred sign because James is wearing out and it is easier to find a top running back than a top receiver. This way, they get something of value...our #1 and other picks for someone they would have lost anyway next year. Question is does Indy want to give up their shot at the Super Bowl this year for draft picks and bit players?

I know this scenario sounds far fetched but it does make a lot of sense for all the parties involved. Skins get their pass rushing DE, the Dolphins get a running back that wants to go back to Miami and who will be a free agent that Indy cannot afford next year. Indy gets value in picks and players for someone they would have lost anyway.

But I don't think it happens until Miami is convinced Williams will not play. And that delay may kill the deal for all involved.

Interesting scenario, though.....

[IowaSkinsFan]

3way trades are very uncommon in the NFL, aren't they?

I can't remember the last one that happened.

[skins111111]

Da Bears are switching to an "O" based on the Rams. They think Rex is the man and are going with Thomas Jones over the A-Train as Jones has softer hands.......their top WRs are Marty Booker (injuries) and David Terrell (butter fingers) since we are so deep at WR why not get a 3 way going. Ogun to the Skins, Gardner to Da Bears, and the A-Train to the Fish. (Rod may not have the speed they are looking for but he is a great posesssion reciever) this trade would involve draft picks where applicable.

[CarMike]

I think the Dolphins will try to make a move for McGahee. The only hold up from that could be that the Bills are in the division with the Dolphins.

Or how about Foster from the Panthers?

I do agree with rskinsfan10 however. 3 way trades are very seldon heard of...

[GolfFreak]

Found this on PFW ... fits the thread title and goes with your thoughts, but doens't involve the Skins.

OGUNLEYE TO CINCY?


At a time when we're getting flooded with rumors regarding possible trade scenarios involving Miami defensive end Adewale Ogunleye (including a three-way trade that would send Ogunleye to D.C., Edgerrin James to Miami, and picks and Travis Minor to Indy), we're hearing rumblings regarding a possible deal between the Bengals and the Dolphins centering on running back Rudi Johnson.



Johnson, a restricted free agent operating under a one-year tender, probably won't be retained by the Bengals in 2005, given the presence of 2004 first-rounder Chris Perry. But it would be very risky for the up-and-coming Bengals to dump 2003 workhorse Johnson.



Nothing likely will come of this rumor either, especially in the short term. But it's yet another possibility that should get thrown into the "what in the hell is going on?" hopper as we all wait and see whether the Fins will use a disgruntled defensive end as bait for filling the hole left by a departed running back.

[SkinsKY]

I think the Dolphins will try to make a move for McGahee. The only hold up from that could be that the Bills are in the division with the Dolphins.

Or how about Foster from the Panthers?

I do agree with rskinsfan10 however. 3 way trades are very seldon heard of...

I doubt the Panthers will part with Foster. They know he's the future at RB. McGahee will be interesting, but it just depends on whether you want to help your enemy.

[Patrick]

Don't want to hear about any trade talks right before TC. This team needs to be brought together. ...... Besides, with Coles injury still a possible concern, there's no way I be trading our #2 WR.

[PainterBoy]

Da Bears are switching to an "O" based on the Rams. They think Rex is the man and are going with Thomas Jones over the A-Train as Jones has softer hands.......their top WRs are Marty Booker (injuries) and David Terrell (butter fingers) since we are so deep at WR why not get a 3 way going. Ogun to the Skins, Gardner to Da Bears, and the A-Train to the Fish. (Rod may not have the speed they are looking for but he is a great posesssion reciever) this trade would involve draft picks where applicable.

Garderer, IMO, isn't a west coast type receiver. Thus I don't see him flourishing in the Rams style offense.

[Patrick]

MAN ........#%#@%#!*$@!@$&@)!)$@&@%@ !!!!!!!!!
and that's all I've got to say about these fricken RUMORS!!!!

[redwolf1218]

i can see where indy would want to trade edge for ogun and minor. they cant pay anybody, so they get rid of the edge cap hit, they get minor, who was a backup with a 4.7 yard per carry average, to be their starter at much less money than edge, then they get rid of ogun for draft picks which cost them nothing until later. i'd expect them to be trading down the next few years, stockpiling cheap, late round picks, with the cap going to manning.

[smoak]

3way trades are very uncommon in the NFL, aren't they?

to be honest, trades for star players are VERY uncommon (compared to other sports). i can not remember a single three team trade in the NFL.

[smoak]

gibbs should publicly say there is no interest in ogun. these trades are a fantasy. if they are smart, the dolphins will use the cap room to get ogun signed and go with minor and a 1 year free agent. their fdefense is good enough to win 6-7 games by itself. i'm not sure people remember, but after that early season game where ricky had over 40 carries, he was mostly inneffective the whole season. the dolphins need to spread the ball a bit, and not look for another premier back to pound to death.

[PennSkinsFan]

Merged threads


I dont think Ogun is a possibility. I think Williams is set going into the season with what we have and making do by varying schemes and pass rush plays. Rumors and more rumors. :rolleyes:

[REDMAN]

I think we start the season with what we have, but if a trade is in the works for more firepower, then fine. Just do not give up to much.

[ConradCountry]

This rumor is B*ll Sh~t i have never heard one decent report from pro football news.

Legend
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[LATrueRedskin]

I think the Dolphins will try to make a move for McGahee. The only hold up from that could be that the Bills are in the division with the Dolphins.

Or how about Foster from the Panthers?

I do agree with rskinsfan10 however. 3 way trades are very seldon heard of...

Yeah we we're talking about this in the NFL forum. I'm guessing either Stephen Davis or Travis Henry. Foster is too good, I think, and McGahee is the "future of the Bills" so they say.

[smoak]

This rumor is B*ll Sh~t i have never heard one decent report from pro football news.

Legend
* = U
~ = I

for a second i got the legend backwards... "Bill Shut" didn't make sense?

[LATrueRedskin]

for a second i got the legend backwards... "Bill Shut" didn't make sense?

:lol1:

[colkurtz]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.... I've read all the posts. I go back to the original premise ----- which is some sort of three-way trade. Can you say "house of cards"? Theoretically possible, but highly unlikely.

In some ways the Ogun story seems to be complicated by the Ricky William's departure. Or it may be simpler - the Fins now have the money to sign him straight-up.

The most important thing for our team, THIS season, is to gell quickly as a cohesive unit. With all the new players and coaches - that will take time.

Having a well-coached and solid team, working together is going to win many more games than finding the 'perfect new player' to fill a perceived hole on the team.

I suspect the 'skins are done acquiring new players for this season. Coach-em up and start over in the post season.

[hockeygoalie29]

NOTE: While the Redskins have maintained interest in Miami defensive end Adewale Ogunleye, looking for a pass rusher, completing a trade remains difficult. The Dolphins have been unable to sign the restricted free agent and had been telling teams he was unavailable. Miami may end up dealing him for a running back given the surprise retirement of Ricky Williams, but Washington does not match up as a strong trade partner at that position.

Reports of a three-way trade involving Indianapolis running back Edgerrin James were denied by various parties yesterday, including team sources, and Colts General Manager Bill Polian has said he will not deal James.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A21566-2004Jul28.html

[colkurtz]

Like I said before : love to have Ogunleye's passing rushing abilities, but don't think it's going to happen this season.

Not enough money and too many other teams in a better trading position.................

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

No More BU__ SH__!!

[Axegrinder]

The Bengal boards must be slow.Since Gardner never arrived,Kitna's riding the pine,and Dillons in New England....their fans have to talk about something!