Clemens Ejected...From Youth Baseball Game!

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I find this very funny. (http://msn.foxsports.com/story/2631146)

[badpigs442]

The Rocket is one fiery competitive man. He has a bad temper too when things don't go his way. I love to root for him, but would not like to ever upset him. If someone can name a person who is a more sucessful model of consistency, I'm all ears....The Rocket balsts off again. :spin:

[padraic]

The Rocket is one fiery competitive man. He has a bad temper too when things don't go his way. I love to root for him, but would not like to ever upset him. If someone can name a person who is a more sucessful model of consistency, I'm all ears....The Rocket balsts off again. :spin:



uh dude have you not heard of tiger woods :lol1:

[split3clemente]

this is funny and sad at the same time

[badpigs442]

uh dude have you not heard of tiger woods :lol1:

Woods :sleeping: . When was the last time he won anything? The guy is not even in the same league as Roger. Have you read the Sports Illustrated where they laid out Clemens' work out? Tiger has people create his club for him, as well as design new balls that fly further. Clemens has been striking out the side since he was in little league, and he was probably setting umps straight back then too.

[straightupbeast]

this is being blown out of proportion

[badpigs442]

this is being blown out of proportion

It's funny to people who have followed Clemens through out his career, and like him for who he is. Those of us who know him would expect nothing less than for him to react passionately to something he is involved in. Where it gets blown out of proportion is buy people who expect him to fall in line with an unspoken code of society that celebrities should not spit sunflower seeds at an umpire, even if he missed a call buy five feet........ :rolleyes: :dalassuk:

[rskinsfan10]

Woods :sleeping: . When was the last time he won anything? The guy is not even in the same league as Roger. Have you read the Sports Illustrated where they laid out Clemens' work out? Tiger has people create his club for him, as well as design new balls that fly further. Clemens has been striking out the side since he was in little league, and he was probably setting umps straight back then too.
What? First of all, you are comparing an individual sport athlete with a team oriented one. And as far as people creating golf equipment for Tiger, what professional golfer doesn't have his personal equipment "created for him"?

Question is, when was the last time Clemens "won" anything?

[Axegrinder]

Good role model and believes in sportsmanship. :devil2: I'm glad that he got rocked at the All-Star Game.If you couldn't tell,I dislike Clemens.[I'm a Piazza fan]

[CarMike]

Before I read the article I was very pissed with Clemens. From what I had heard from the radio I was ready to go off on him. Reminded me way to much of my dad at my little league games. Parents don't understand how embarrassing it is for the kids...

BUT, after reading that article, it sounds to me like this 20 year old punk had a overdose of power. And he let it get to his head. This was a chance for him to tell his frat brothers that he just ejected the great Roger Clemens from a LL game.

Even the other teams coach didn't know he was ejected from the game...

[smoak]

i opened this b/c i thought it was in reference to one of the clemons brothers on the skins roster... see what happens when you miss sportscenter in the morning!

[CarMike]

i opened this b/c i thought it was in reference to one of the clemons brothers on the skins roster... see what happens when you miss sportscenter in the morning!

:D

[badpigs442]

What? First of all, you are comparing an individual sport athlete with a team oriented one. And as far as people creating golf equipment for Tiger, what professional golfer doesn't have his personal equipment "created for him"?

Question is, when was the last time Clemens "won" anything?

The 2000 World Series. 2001 Cy Young award. He won his 300th game last season. Seems to me he wins big time regularly. I never said that most golfers don't have their equiptment made for them, but rarely do they have anything to do with the grunt work, if ever. Clemens has many tools he must keep in shape, basicly his entire body. Woods does nothing compared to The Rocket. So he plays golf? People play golf till their 80 easy. Show me somebody who can throw 95 m.p.h for 20+ years, and pitch at the level Clemens does? He has won Cy Youngs in the last three decades. That's what is amazing about him, nobody even has a tenure that matches him right now, and if they did, they still wouldn't be close. Tiger will have to win like he did when he first started playing for the next 15 years before he can even approach Clemens. Bar none he is the greatest pitcher of the last 50 years, and should be in the top 5 atheletes of the last century. Why? Becuase he has been dependable on an elite level for so long. And why has he been on that elite level for so long? Because he has been consistent in his work out.
He has also won this debate for me. :Peace:

[badpigs442]

Before I read the article I was very pissed with Clemens. From what I had heard from the radio I was ready to go off on him. Reminded me way to much of my dad at my little league games. Parents don't understand how embarrassing it is for the kids...

BUT, after reading that article, it sounds to me like this 20 year old punk had a overdose of power. And he let it get to his head. This was a chance for him to tell his frat brothers that he just ejected the great Roger Clemens from a LL game.

Even the other teams coach didn't know he was ejected from the game...

His agent was acvocating that Clemens was not out of line, in fact he was signing autographs when it happened.
In 13+ years of Idolizing Clemens I have learned some things. Clemens knows he has a temper, so he stays away from confrontation. When he is away from aggressors then he is very mild mannered and pleasant, but when you put a chip on his shoulder or pressure him to fight it is a bad mistake. Nobody has ever gotten the best of him, not the Red Sox who said he was done (8ip 2 hits 14K's first start against them as Blue Jay) not Piazza (Heads up Mike) and not time. It's no wonder people hate him, he has been inviting people to fight him for 21 years and he hasn't lost yet. The public loves faliure. Those who dislike him are jealous of his success, and the way the come uppins he gets just don't feel just. :)

[rskinsfan10]

The 2000 World Series. 2001 Cy Young award. He won his 300th game last season. Seems to me he wins big time regularly. I never said that most golfers don't have their equiptment made for them, but rarely do they have anything to do with the grunt work, if ever. Clemens has many tools he must keep in shape, basicly his entire body. Woods does nothing compared to The Rocket. So he plays golf? People play golf till their 80 easy. Show me somebody who can throw 95 m.p.h for 20+ years, and pitch at the level Clemens does? He has won Cy Youngs in the last three decades. That's what is amazing about him, nobody even has a tenure that matches him right now, and if they did, they still wouldn't be close. Tiger will have to win like he did when he first started playing for the next 15 years before he can even approach Clemens. Bar none he is the greatest pitcher of the last 50 years, and should be in the top 5 atheletes of the last century. Why? Becuase he has been dependable on an elite level for so long. And why has he been on that elite level for so long? Because he has been consistent in his work out.
He has also won this debate for me. :Peace:

All of what you just typed only proves that you are ignorant to what it takes for a golfer to be successful. If you think that it doesn't take a serious regiment of eating right and taking care of your body to be successful on the PGA tour, along with constant hours of working on your game outside of the public, then you have alot to learn about the sport. And the comment that Tiger needs to play at this current level for 15 years is crazy also. Tiger could retire tomorrow, and he would go down as one of the greatest golfers ever. Ask Mickelson how hard it was to win one major. How many does Tiger have in his relatively short time on tour?

BTW, Clemens is hardly the greatest pitcher over the last 50 years. The only thing that he has won for you is me asking you do you really know your baseball?

[badpigs442]

All of what you just typed only proves that you are ignorant to what it takes for a golfer to be successful. If you think that it doesn't take a serious regiment of eating right and taking care of your body to be successful on the PGA tour, along with constant hours of working on your game outside of the public, then you have alot to learn about the sport. And the comment that Tiger needs to play at this current level for 15 years is crazy also. Tiger could retire tomorrow, and he would go down as one of the greatest golfers ever. Ask Mickelson how hard it was to win one major. How many does Tiger have in his relatively short time on tour?

BTW, Clemens is hardly the greatest pitcher over the last 50 years. The only thing that he has won for you is me asking you do you really know your baseball?

If you were going to make an arguement against Roger(and consistency for success at a high level) than you should have selected Jerry Rice. He's the only one who has tenure to foot the argument. I will not argue that Tiger is a historic golfer, and figure for that matter. He revolutionized the sport, but he has not continued that pattern long enough to rival Roger.

Since I'm so baseball illiterate, who can you educate me with for as to who is a better pitcher than Roger in the last 50 years?

[rskinsfan10]

If you were going to make an arguement against Roger(and consistency for success at a high level) than you should have selected Jerry Rice. He's the only one who has tenure to foot the argument. I will not argue that Tiger is a historic golfer, and figure for that matter. He revolutionized the sport, but he has not continued that pattern long enough to rival Roger.

Since I'm so baseball illiterate, who can you educate me with for as to who is a better pitcher than Roger in the last 50 years?


First of all, you need to go back and re-read this thread. I never brought up Tiger in this argument/discussion. I only defended him when you seemingly dissed his talent/sport/accomplishments.

Tenure has nothing to do with who may be the best ever in their sport. Are you going to tell me that Gale Sayers and Jim Brown can't hold a candle to Emmitt because they had relatively short careers in comparison? Both of them would run circles around Emmitt.

Take a look in the MLB HoF. There are plenty of pitchers there that will give Clemens a run for his money as far as your BAR NONE claim. Names like Spahn, Jenkins, Koufax, Ryan to name a few come to mind. Depending on who you ask, some would throw Greg Maddux into the discussion. Just because he isn't a power pitcher doesn't mean he hasn't been great. That best in the last 50 argument of your is very weak to say the least.

[badpigs442]

First of all, you need to go back and re-read this thread. I never brought up Tiger in this argument/discussion. I only defended him when you seemingly dissed his talent/sport/accomplishments.

Tenure has nothing to do with who may be the best ever in their sport. Are you going to tell me that Gale Sayers and Jim Brown can't hold a candle to Emmitt because they had relatively short careers in comparison? Both of them would run circles around Emmitt.

Take a look in the MLB HoF. There are plenty of pitchers there that will give Clemens a run for his money as far as your BAR NONE claim. Names like Spahn, Jenkins, Koufax, Ryan to name a few come to mind. Depending on who you ask, some would throw Greg Maddux into the discussion. Just because he isn't a power pitcher doesn't mean he hasn't been great. That best in the last 50 argument of your is very weak to say the least.

Good, take Woods out of this. Tiger Woods did not belong in this discussion, and I never did nor would dis Tiger's amazing feats. Arguing Tiger's feats and Clemens's feats would be a totally different topic. One that Tiger would probably win in qualaty, but lose in quantity.

To say some one is the best ever can be mis leading. The best player may not always have the best career. I'll take Smith's career #'s over any other running back ever. That does not mean that the other running backs are not his equal or ever more talented. Saying Jim Brown is the best purely talented runner in history may be true, but the best runningback arguement ,to me, requires more than just talent and ability to win the arguement. Fact like tenure, team worth and reliability must be included IMO.

Of all those players you named none have the winning percentage of The Rocket. That is the best stat I have for you. Sandy Koufax was on his way to eclipsing Clemens possibly before he retired. Of the other three I'm pretty sure Jenkins only played half his career past 1950, but don't take my word for it. Spahn has the tenure but not the stats to compare, but I didn't see him pitch. Nolan Ryan make a great case, becuase he was more overpowering than Roger, yes. However his winning pct doesn't equal Roger. They both had 3.19 career E.R.A's before this season started, you can look it up. Roger's will be closer to 3.17 at this point. Clemens was Clemens before Maddux was even on the scene. When Greg hit his prime I will admit that he was better than Roger, but once again I'm biased to those who have tenure. Maddux's prime lasted say 8 seasons and now over the last few he has begun to decline. Clemens is once again a better pitcher than Greg.
What makes Clemens take the cake for me is how he has mananged to perform as a power pitcher for so many years and still manange to stay the same. While he is not as overpowering as he once was, he has gotten more savvy in his old age. He is more of a thinker on the mound than he used to be. That is a remarkable feet for someone who can throw 95. Throwing 95 used to blow the league away. Only 20% of the leagues pitchers could throw anywhere close to that 15 years ago. Now it is routinely posted on a radar gun at every stadium. Of the ones who could throw that hard only he has remained in the league. He didn't fall in line when people rated his 95mph fastball over the hill, and average 8 years ago when the Red Sox said he was done. He got smarter, and instead of trying to blow people away to show the critics which would have probably got him run out of the league, he outsmarted them. Plus, on top of all that, he added a pitch to his repituar(sp) in the middle of his career. The split-figered fastball added 10 years to his career. That makes him the greatest to me.

[badpigs442]

Clemens recieved a personal appology from the Colorado tournament director for the ordeal. The umpire who made the ejection mistakenly identified Roger as the ejectee. He was in the parking lot signing autographs.