mark my words our d-line will get it done

[vegeta2364]

Call it what you want but im here telling you now that our defensive line will be just fine. don't know or care who starts but just remember I said it first that our redskins d-line is a sleeper. We will get it done. We will come out on top. Call it redskins intution if you must but OUR DEFENSIVE LINE WILL BE FINE!

[LATrueRedskin]

Right on my brother!

[ihatedallas]

Call it what you want but im here telling you now that our defensive line will be just fine. don't know or care who starts but just remember I said it first that our redskins d-line is a sleeper. We will get it done. We will come out on top. Call it redskins intution if you must but OUR DEFENSIVE LINE WILL BE FINE!

i agree upshaw and griffin will play kinda like warren sapp and simeon rice(the same type of combo,please dont think im comparing talent wise) and with all the blitzing and different packages williams intends to use, they will be alot better then people think.Also i think with a good rotation of salvea noble wynn daniels and haley the other dt spot will be fine.My line of thinking is you put a fresh guy in every set of downs they will wear down the opposite oline

[akhhorus]

they wont be great by any stretch of the imagination, but they will be effective.

[PennSkinsFan]

they wont be great by any stretch of the imagination, but they will be effective.

Agreed, I hope

[bball7980]

I'm sorry but i have to jump in here and just say one thing and then you guys can tear me apart. We have IMO the worst d-line in the NFL. Sorry AK couldn't help it. They might suprise me because we have good coaches now but I just can't get my hopes up. :)

[NCskinsfanatic]

Vegeta I tend to agree with you. I think it depends on a couple of things though. First we need Upshaw to provide a pass rush, which I believe he is capable of. This will allow Daniels and Wynn to play the run and Upshaw to provide extra pass rush, forming a nice 3 man rotation. Next I believe Noble staying healthy,absorbing double teams and freeing up Griffin would help out a lot in the middle of our line. We also have a decent rotation at DT with Haley and Salavea coming off the bench.

[akhhorus]

Agreed, I hope

they dont need to be Carolina's dline, what they need to do is just to tie up the tackles and guards so Lavar, Barrow, Washington and Taylor can make the plays. If any four of them got 20 sacks between them, I will be happy.

[ihatedallas]

I'm sorry but i have to jump in here and just say one thing and then you guys can tear me apart. We have IMO the worst d-line in the NFL. Sorry AK couldn't help it. They might suprise me because we have good coaches now but I just can't get my hopes up. :)

man this doesnt help the whole "troll" bit with akh you know

[badpigs442]

I'm one that believes our DL will get it done too. They won't be spectacular though.

[akhhorus]

I'm sorry but i have to jump in here and just say one thing and then you guys can tear me apart. We have IMO the worst d-line in the NFL. Sorry AK couldn't help it. They might suprise me because we have good coaches now but I just can't get my hopes up. :)

Have you seen San Diego's dline? Or Atlanta? Or Pittsburgh's? Cleveland's? Cincy's? They aint inspiring either.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

i really do hope you are right vegeta.....

[PennSkinsFan]

man this doesnt help the whole "troll" bit with akh you know

bball is jut being blantantly honest. I actually lean toward his viewpoint when it comes to the DLine. We really did nothing to improve it except add a mediocre DE in daniels and an underachieve rin Griffin.

[bball7980]

Have you seen San Diego's dline? Or Atlanta? Or Pittsburgh's? Cleveland's? Cincy's? They aint inspiring either.

Did any of those teams make the playoffs last year. Just a question AK. Don't freak out please. just making conversation.

[ihatedallas]

bball is jut being blantantly honest. I actually lean toward his viewpoint when it comes to the DLine. We really did nothing to improve it except add a mediocre DE in daniels and an underachieve rin Griffin.

no i know there not above average or anything but akh said a "troll" is somebody who says something for a reaction,and it seems like he said that just to get akh to react

[ihatedallas]

Have you seen San Diego's dline? Or Atlanta? Or Pittsburgh's? Cleveland's? Cincy's? They aint inspiring either.

i dont think clevelands that bad....but as for everybody else good point

[akhhorus]

Did any of those teams make the playoffs last year. Just a question AK. Don't freak out please. just making conversation.

why would I freak out? Cincy should have. Cleveland, Pitts, Atlanta all had bigger problems last year..San Diego...well, has marty.

[bball7980]

why would I freak out? Cincy should have. Cleveland, Pitts, Atlanta all had bigger problems last year..San Diego...well, has marty.

Good point! Most likely had nothing to do with there d-line. I got to run it was fun AK.

[akhhorus]

Good point! Most likely had nothing to do with there d-line. I got to run it was fun AK.

Dont go yet, im still having fun.

[bball7980]

no i know there not above average or anything but akh said a "troll" is somebody who says something for a reaction,and it seems like he said that just to get akh to react
I am not trying to start anything with anybody. If you look at the post we have writing you can see he has been attacking me all night. Oh well see you guys around.

[badpigs442]

i dont think clevelands that bad....but as for everybody else good point

Pittsburgh has a top tier DL. DE Aaron Smith would be a probowl DT if he weren't a 3-4 DE. Casey Hampton stops a running game as well as anyone this side of Ted Washington, and Kimo Voholhoffen had eight sacks last season. Throw in back up Travis Kiersh and they are formidable. Pittsburgh will rank in top 5 teams against the run this year. :jetsuk:

[akhhorus]

i dont think clevelands that bad....but as for everybody else good point

Courtney Brown, Gerrard Warren and a ton of castoffs and misfits? Ill take our dline over them.

[ihatedallas]

I am not trying to start anything with anybody. If you look at the post we have writing you can see he has been attacking me all night. Oh well see you guys around.

i know you guys have bin goin at it and im not taking sides i just thought that seemed like what he was sayin

[akhhorus]

I am not trying to start anything with anybody. If you look at the post we have writing you can see he has been attacking me all night. Oh well see you guys around.

I havent attacked you at all. Ive been describing your posts, sorry if I mussed up your hair...

[ihatedallas]

Courtney Brown, Gerrard Warren and a ton of castoffs and misfits? Ill take our dline over them.

i would too but i think lang and roye are ok and warren isnt all THAT bad,he hasnt bin what he should have but hes average

[akhhorus]

Pittsburgh has a top tier DL. DE Aaron Smith would be a probowl DT if he weren't a 3-4 DE. Casey Hampton stops a running game as well as anyone this side of Ted Washington, and Kimo Voholhoffen had eight sacks last season. Throw in back up Travis Kiersh and they are formidable. Pittsburgh will rank in top 5 teams against the run this year. :jetsuk:

Hampton is a second tier player(sometimes borderline pro bowl), but I wasnt impressed by Smith or Voholhoffen when I saw the Steelers play. Kendrell Bell makes alot of plays for them.

[akhhorus]

i would too but i think lang and roye are ok and warren isnt all THAT bad,he hasnt bin what he should have but hes average

they have a TON of players that have talent, but have not shown anything in the NFL. Lang is probably their best player, but he's so inconsistant. He only had a decent year when his contract was up with us.
Warren
Roye
Jamal Reynolds
Mike Myers
Courtney Brown
Ebenezer Ekuban
Mark Word
another loser convention

[ihatedallas]

they have a TON of players that have talent, but have not shown anything in the NFL. Lang is probably their best player, but he's so inconsistant. He only had a decent year when his contract was up with us.
Warren
Roye
Jamal Reynolds
Mike Myers
Courtney Brown
Ebenezer Ekuban
Mark Word
another loser convention

yea they should have got rid of butch davis,...and got lovie smith he would get them to play. I meen warren and brown are 1st and 3rd overall picks! they should be one of the best but play like one of the worse

[badpigs442]

Hampton is a second tier player(sometimes borderline pro bowl), but I wasnt impressed by Smith or Voholhoffen when I saw the Steelers play. Kendrell Bell makes alot of plays for them.

Hampton is one of the most unsung heros of the team, you must have caught him on a bad day....Smith is a ferocious player, if you don't believe me watch him this year, he holds the line as good as anyone. Ken Bell played so-so last year. James Farrior was their best defender last year. Jason Gildon is the biggest fraud in the NFL. He has been a liability for atleast the last 4 seasons. They are way better off with out him.

[badpigs442]

they have a TON of players that have talent, but have not shown anything in the NFL. Lang is probably their best player, but he's so inconsistant. He only had a decent year when his contract was up with us.
Warren
Roye
Jamal Reynolds
Mike Myers
Courtney Brown
Ebenezer Ekuban
Mark Word
another loser convention

I don't think any of these guys have played a full season. No wonder they are considered underachieving and a disapointment if they are not on the field ever.

[akhhorus]

yea they should have got rid of butch davis,...and got lovie smith he would get them to play. I meen warren and brown are 1st and 3rd overall picks! they should be one of the best but play like one of the worse

I disagree. Butch Davis, I beleive, is a good coach who is paying for the Browns leadership drafting poorly. Gerrard Warren(instead of Richard Seymour or Marcus Stroud), Courtney Brown(instead of Lavar), Tim Couch(instead of McNabb or Culpepper). William Green(instead of taking Davis' player Portis), Jeff Faine, Helen Winslow II?

[BigCountry]

Only shot we have is if the two new starters at tackle perform and that's still a question mark so no, we're not in good shape up front on D.

[Skinzsnut]

People say a lot of stuff but its possible. Listen they said it wasn't possible when a grocery store bagger (Kurt Warner) was a Qb to win a super bowl. A second year sixth round pick (Tom Brady) couldn't replace a former all pro and lead them to the super bowl. Remember when the Bucs were labled as paper champions. It also wasn't possible to have an offense that could only score one TD a game to win a superbowln (Ravens). Carolina wasn't even suppose to win their division much less make the playoffs last year. They also said Taylor was going to hold out. Bengals were hopeless. A truck driver couldn't make the New Orleans saints roster. Dam right our D-line has a chance to make some noise this year and make O-lines crap in there pants. The one thing we don't know is there heart and when you have it great things can be achieved.

[ihatedallas]

I disagree. Butch Davis, I beleive, is a good coach who is paying for the Browns leadership drafting poorly. Gerrard Warren(instead of Richard Seymour or Marcus Stroud), Courtney Brown(instead of Lavar), Tim Couch(instead of McNabb or Culpepper). William Green(instead of taking Davis' player Portis), Jeff Faine, Helen Winslow II?
they had a chance at duante? and at lavar? woa buddy.iagine if they that how they woulda done at the playoffs a couple years ago

[badpigs442]

I disagree. Butch Davis, I beleive, is a good coach who is paying for the Browns leadership drafting poorly. Gerrard Warren(instead of Richard Seymour or Marcus Stroud), Courtney Brown(instead of Lavar), Tim Couch(instead of McNabb or Culpepper). William Green(instead of taking Davis' player Portis), Jeff Faine, Helen Winslow II?

Not to mention that they gave up the farm to move up that one spot for Hellen.

[vegeta2364]

bball is jut being blantantly honest. I actually lean toward his viewpoint when it comes to the DLine. We really did nothing to improve it except add a mediocre DE in daniels and an underachieve rin Griffin.

come on man . with gibbs and company we wil lbe fine.

[vegeta2364]

People say a lot of stuff but its possible. Listen they said it wasn't possible when a grocery store bagger (Kurt Warner) was a Qb to win a super bowl. A second year sixth round pick (Tom Brady) couldn't replace a former all pro and lead them to the super bowl. Remember when the Bucs were labled as paper champions. It also wasn't possible to have an offense that could only score one TD a game to win a superbowln (Ravens). Carolina wasn't even suppose to win their division much less make the playoffs last year. They also said Taylor was going to hold out. Bengals were hopeless. A truck driver couldn't make the New Orleans saints roster. Dam right our D-line has a chance to make some noise this year and make O-lines crap in there pants. The one thing we don't know is there heart and when you have it great things can be achieved.


I AGREE!! RIGHT ON!! GREAT MINDS THINK ALIKE!

[bigcmr]

The D-line is better than last year. Who were the DTs last year? I like Griffin watch he is ganna be a good player up frount. The big problem with the D-line is deapth. I know we dont have a dominit frount four. But all they have too do is play solid. The coaching staff is much better than last years. They know how to skeem with the stranth of our D. Trust me on this one our Defence will be way better this year.

[vegeta2364]

don't worry people. its ok. Geez im up at 2:24 in the morning thinking about the game waiting for some breaking news again lool

[flave1969]

As of this moment, I still say our DLine is not one that will take us far. There is simply nothing in the play of either Griffin or Daniels in the past couple of years that tells me we have upgraded too the point where we can be hugely optimistic. Griffin by consensus is an underachiever, he needs to improve his tackle count by a third for us to know we have got ourselves a good tackle. Brandon Noble, who now has a broken arm has never recorded more than 42 tackles in a season. Our DT backups are Haley Salavea, and some undrafted rookies. Maybe there is a rough diamond in there, I hope it is Cedric Killings because that is a fantastic name.

At DE we have Daniels, Wynn, Upshaw. I like Daniels tackle numbers, they are pretty good for an end. Overall his best season 2001, he had 51 Tackles, 9 Sacks and 9 Pass Defences. That would suggest he is capable of getting around the QB. If he can step up then I think we will be in good shape. But again the depth is not there. Upshaw is the perennial underachiever, he had just 19 tackles for us last year, that almost matches Big Daddy Wilkinsons 16 of two seasons ago. As for Renaldo Wynn well average is a word that comes to mind.

If Daniels and Griffin stay healthy we will have an improved line, but this wave of optimism is not borne out by the facts. We have little depth on the line, we can ill afford to lose any of our starters. The main job must be too stop the run, it killed us last year. Those four guys starting have got to occupy the five lineman opposite for Lavar and Marcus to get free and pressure the QB. I look to the play of the LB's and secondary, plus the skills of Gregg Williams as co-ordinator too get it done. I am not going to hold my breath waiting for our line to step up.

[Patrick]

Well, I guess it my turn to chime in on this.

The players that make up our first and second units are average players.... bottomline. We have NO superstars, ProBowlers, or even great prospects.... Most of these guys could probably make any team in the NFL BUT would likely be as backups (at least on more teams than not)......... NOW what we do have is a very smart Defensive Coordinator with a proven system. IF these guys buy into it, give a 110% (and maybe one or two of them have a career years), we will be far ahead of last year. BUT it will all depend of them playing like a unit!......Although I believe this is the weakest area of our team, I'm have faith in Coach William and that he'll turn them into a solid group - utilize their strengths and hide their weaknesses........ To me, we can't ask for much more than that.

[flave1969]

Coach Williams is the key. Him plus solid years from the lineman and we will have improved. Lets face it, improvement will not be hard over last years shambles.

[NamVet4]

Coaching . . . Motivation . . . Effort . . . These are the 3 keys to any players performance. Do we have superstars? NO! Do we have Pro Bowl caliber Players NO! What we have is p o t e n t i a l ! So, I will be expecting an upgrade in performance over last year, I will be expecting the D-Line to come together as a unit. And if we get decent performance with a minimum of mistakes, they will grow into a cohesive unit . . .and then who knows? Anyone of them can step up and really surprise us.
I will guarantee one thing . . .We will see better football than we have endured in the past ! :D

[openallnight]

I went to practice last Thurs. and either we have the best OLine in football or our DLine is the worse. Our DLine was totally dominated. They got absolutely no penetration on passing plays and were easily moved aside on running plays as Cartwright strolled seemlessly through 5 yard running lanes. As a matter of fact our entire D looked pretty awful. With the exception of the rook. Man that guy is fast. He came up and played good run support. If he can learn the system and how to read offenses he's gonna something to reckon with.
Another big disappointment was Arrington's play. He was getting dominated by Leonard Stephens (I think we're gonna see alot of him this year) in the line drills and getting out of position in the scrimmage. To give him the benefit of doubt, I think he might have been hurt. I keep waiting for him to have a break out mvp caliber year and he keeps getting tied up with blockers or simply runs himself out of position. I'm starting to wonder if his athleticism hasn't actually hurt him. He hasn't demonstrated the technique to shed blockers. Rather he relies solely on speed/strength which doesn't always work so well at the nfl level.
On the bright side our offense looked pretty damn good.

[redwolf1218]

I like Daniels tackle numbers, they are pretty good for an end. Overall his best season 2001, he had 51 Tackles, 9 Sacks and 9 Pass Defences. That would suggest he is capable of getting around the QB.
9 passes defensed? did i read that correctly? that's either a lot of batted down passes, or dropping back into coverage in a zone blitz scheme. or both.

[NCPanther]

Saturday will be a better way for you guys to judge your DL. You will see them in the same game with the premier DL in the league. Should make for some good comparisons. Who knows , no that you have better coaching they may surprise you!

[redwolf1218]

i expect Denver to run up the middle or to upshaw's side. we'll be ready for it. kevin mitchell is a good run stopping middle linebacker. he'll help out the line play against the run.