I'm not worthy of 2nd guessing.....

[CarMike]

.....coach Gibbs. But I think he should go ahead and name a starter at QB instead of waiting till the final pre-season game.

I think it does more harm than good. Since Brunell is left handed and Ramsey is right handed, they have different side "blind sides". It could do wonders for the OL to know early which side will need to be up to par better. I know it sholdn't matter. Both sides should play as well as possible. But in the end the RT or LT better be on there games.

It also matters to WRs as well. Different rotations, different arm strengths, and making those adjustments with who ever the starter will be are very important.

Rather its Ramsey or Brunell. We shouldn't wait till the final week of preseason to name the starter.

Damn. I just thought of something. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if coach Gibbs has already named a starter. Just keeping it out of the media and away from our opponents. There are reasons on why practice is closed. Gibbs is a very paranoid coach....with good reasons.

I bet you guys have never seen that. The thread starter debating his own thread.....:D

[RedskinRyan]

all part of why nobody understands you....
im sure its going to brunell. the big money guy gets the first chance. fans will really question the front office if brunell sits on the bench. its the same situation in cincy. sure your fine with either person at qb, but why have the money man sit on the bench?

[Redblood]

Which was your first guess, and which was your second?

:lol1:

[redwolf1218]

seems like it would also make a difference who gets the most reps in practice with the starters, which would be important for developing timing and a "rapport"(?) with each other's tendencies etc. if they split the snaps with the starting unit, each will only be getting half the reps. but as you said, in the closed practices, maybe one is getting most of the starting unit reps.

[Carmelo]

Damn. I just thought of something. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if coach Gibbs has already named a starter. Just keeping it out of the media and away from our opponents. There are reasons on why practice is closed. Gibbs is a very paranoid coach....with good reasons.

I bet you guys have never seen that. The thread starter debating his own thread.....:D

That could be a possibility. I like the competition. May the best qb win. I think that the competition is the best thing because if he just named brunell as the starter, how would pat feel? At least give them the appearance of competition even if you've already chosen just so that you can keep your players happy. No matter what's going on, your players gotta be happy. How would the rest of the team feel if they saw Pat get killed last year for the team and then didn't even get the chance to try and start this year? Would they feel that was fair from Gibbs?

[openallnight]

Gotta disagree with you here. I think Gibbs is very dissatisfied w/ the qb play thus far. He's waiting for someone to really demonstrate that they are the man. Unfortunately, no one has stepped up.
Although, I totally agree w/ the Righty vs. Lefty thing. Which is why I never understood the Brunell signing to begin with. Historically, Gibbs has liked similar "type" qbs so, if one goes down he could just plug in the other without having to revamp the offense. The receivers wouldn't have to make major adjustments to the throws. The lineman wouldn't have to make major adjustments to their blocking technique. Now, it seems as if everything needs reversed. I just don't get it at all???

[PyroGenic]

maybe thats why ramsey is doing poorly... he already knows he's the backup

[CarMike]

That could be a possibility. I like the competition. May the best qb win. I think that the competition is the best thing because if he just named brunell as the starter, how would pat feel? At least give them the appearance of competition even if you've already chosen just so that you can keep your players happy. No matter what's going on, your players gotta be happy. How would the rest of the team feel if they saw Pat get killed last year for the team and then didn't even get the chance to try and start this year? Would they feel that was fair from Gibbs?

Good points Carmelo. As for how the other plays feel about Patrick getting killed without getting a chance....I'd hope that the players wouldn't take that into count. I'd want to win. Period. That was last year...

Gotta disagree with you here. I think Gibbs is very dissatisfied w/ the qb play thus far. He's waiting for someone to really demonstrate that they are the man. Unfortunately, no one has stepped up.

Again, good point. But thats why I think he should go ahead and choose one for the starter. I agree that competition is good for everyone. It may remove some of the pressure off of the named starter and let him just consentrate on the plays now much he impresses the coaches.

[Carmelo]

maybe thats why ramsey is doing poorly... he already knows he's the backup

Or because he's afraid of being the backup and the added pressure is getting to him.

[Patrick]

I'm thinking, Gibbs will name his starter after the St.Louis game.

[redwolf1218]

Or because he's afraid of being the backup and the added pressure is getting to him.
thats what i thought. maybe he's like "i better make a play here, i cant just throw it away out of bounds." so he stands back there holding the ball, or he forces something. or "Mark has better foot work, i have to drop back and set up faster." so he fumbles 3 snaps. i dont know, food for thought.

[ihatedallas]

maybe thats why ramsey is doing poorly... he already knows he's the backup
yes hes the backup and hes been playin in ,for the most part,brunells lefty offense

[Ramsey2Moss]

by the way Carmike your sig rocks.

[JoeDaSchmoe]

thats what i thought. maybe he's like "i better make a play here, i cant just throw it away out of bounds." so he stands back there holding the ball, or he forces something. or "Mark has better foot work, i have to drop back and set up faster." so he fumbles 3 snaps. i dont know, food for thought.

I think you just hit the nail on the head perfectly.

[IMALILTEAPOT]

Pat does seem to make more mistakes than Mark, and fumbles snaps a lot more(though the one at the goalline was the centers fault. He snapped it early.) Brunell is definetly the starter, and until Pat can make passes consistently, Brunell will start the whole season. I think Gibs will make the desicion after the ATL game

[dj_stouty]

Unless Ramsey starts kicking it up a notch...things will go as planned as far as the "QB Starting Rotation" is concerned.

The way Gibbs has it planned now.....

Brunell will start the Dolphins game...
Ramsey will start the Rams game...
Brunell will start the Falcons game.

If Ramsey doesn't seriously impress in that Rams game, I would venture to say that Gibbs announces Brunell the regular season starter the week before the Falcons game to make it official.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

i think if gibbs were to name his starter already, he would have broken his promise to ramsey. he told him that he would have an equal oppurtunity to win the job, but thus far, neither QB has proven worthy to be the starter. therefore, i believe the competition should continue.

i just realized that we still have THREE pre-season games left....:banghead:

[redwolf1218]

the second QB should do well, as did Brunell last week. both have struggled as starters against opposing starters, but brunell looked better against reserves than did ramsey. assuming coles and gardner start, our reserves at receiver are dmac, thrash, jacobs...those guys should be able to torch most teams reserves.

[BIGSEF3]

maybe ramsey is sucking so bad right now because he knows burnell is the starter?

[whistleandthumb]

maybe ramsey is sucking so bad right now because he knows burnell is the starter?
Okay, but if Brunell doesn't complete that 60 yard pass to McCants against the Panthers, his stats are the same as Patrick's. And it wasn't even that impressive of a completion... looked almost lucky.

Brunell stinks so far, and Ramsey stinks so far. So how does Gibbs choose? If he were to go ahead and name Brunell the starter, it would only be because Brunell's contract is bigger. That's it. His play is not any more impressive and he doesn't look any better than Ram does.

Right now, the best QB we have is Tim Hasselbeck... and that's just sad. So let's hope one of the two potential starters will pick it up this weekend and show us who deserves to have the job.

[NCskinsfanatic]

.....coach Gibbs. But I think he should go ahead and name a starter at QB instead of waiting till the final pre-season game.

I think it does more harm than good. Since Brunell is left handed and Ramsey is right handed, they have different side "blind sides". It could do wonders for the OL to know early which side will need to be up to par better. I know it sholdn't matter. Both sides should play as well as possible. But in the end the RT or LT better be on there games.

It also matters to WRs as well. Different rotations, different arm strengths, and making those adjustments with who ever the starter will be are very important.

Rather its Ramsey or Brunell. We shouldn't wait till the final week of preseason to name the starter.

Damn. I just thought of something. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if coach Gibbs has already named a starter. Just keeping it out of the media and away from our opponents. There are reasons on why practice is closed. Gibbs is a very paranoid coach....with good reasons.

I bet you guys have never seen that. The thread starter debating his own thread.....:D
Don't all tarheel fans debate with themselves Mike?

[redwolf1218]

Okay, but if Brunell doesn't complete that 60 yard pass to McCants
but he did complete it, in stride. ramsey had coles open and threw it late and short for an interception. i see what you mean, but ramsey should have hit his wide open passes to even the competition, rather than having brunell miss his to even it.

[whistleandthumb]

but he did complete it, in stride. ramsey had coles open and threw it late and short for an interception. i see what you mean, but ramsey should have hit his wide open passes to even the competition, rather than having brunell miss his to even it.
Redwolf, let's both be honest with ourselves: it wasn't the best completion Brunell has ever made... it wasn't even the best completion of the game... maybe not even of the quarter. It looked like a Hail Mary, and McCants was just better at jumping and catching than the DB was at jumping and tipping. So I'm not going to put my entire season on Brunell because of THAT pass.

[BIGSEF3]

if gibbs had just waited around a bit, he could have gotten jeff garcia at half the price of burnell, and warner for DIRT cheap. hell, he could have gotten 20 warners for the price we paid for burnell. instead, we end up with a washed out pos thats as expensive as hell.

[redwolf1218]

Redwolf, let's both be honest with ourselves: it wasn't the best completion Brunell has ever made... it wasn't even the best completion of the game... maybe not even of the quarter. It looked like a Hail Mary, and McCants was just better at jumping and catching than the DB was at jumping and tipping. So I'm not going to put my entire season on Brunell because of THAT pass.
ummmm, me neither. but its all part of the game. part of being a good QB is being able to recognize a mismatch and put the ball where the guy can make a play on it.

[redwolf1218]

if gibbs had just waited around a bit, he could have gotten jeff garcia at half the price of burnell, and warner for DIRT cheap. hell, he could have gotten 20 warners for the price we paid for burnell. instead, we end up with a washed out pos thats as expensive as hell.
you'd rather have warner and garcia? i respect your opinion, but garcia is older than brunell, warner is same age, and they both get hurt a lot too, so i dont who is the most "washed up" there.

[Keino]

Redwolf, let's both be honest with ourselves: it wasn't the best completion Brunell has ever made... it wasn't even the best completion of the game... maybe not even of the quarter. It looked like a Hail Mary, and McCants was just better at jumping and catching than the DB was at jumping and tipping. So I'm not going to put my entire season on Brunell because of THAT pass.

I agree that we shouldn't put too much stock into a pass thrown against 2nd teamers in pre-season.........That being said: Were you watching the same play as me? That pass hit McCants in Stride perfectly. He only had astep on the Defender. The ball could not have been placed better. Those were the types of passes that made the Brunell-Jimmy Smith Connection a lethal one.

The DB didn't tought the ball and McCants didn't have to jump. Can't throw a bomb any better than that........

[skinsalot]

Who cares how Pat feels? He is a big boy and is getting paid a lot of money to be a profesional. There will be no outburst in the media or in the locker room from selfish players or from players who don't agree with decisions on a Joe Gibbs team. Besides neither one has played well enough to claim the starting job.

[dj_stouty]

I agree that we shouldn't put too much stock into a pass thrown against 2nd teamers in pre-season.........That being said: Were you watching the same play as me? That pass hit McCants in Stride perfectly. He only had astep on the Defender. The ball could not have been placed better. Those were the types of passes that made the Brunell-Jimmy Smith Connection a lethal one.

The DB didn't tought the ball and McCants didn't have to jump. Can't throw a bomb any better than that........

I agree Keino...

I have watched that play a dozen or more times (thanks, Tivo!) and it was a perfectly thrown ball, in which DMC caught it instride. It wasn't a "toss up" like you see Culpepper and Moss do often. It was a perfect go-route toss to a WR many Redskins fans didn't know had the type of speed to make a catch like that.

When talking negatively about that last game, that TD pass should be the last thing mentioned...

[garedskin]

My take so far on the QB position is that it is a new scheme for all the QBs on the roster.There are going to be alot of mistakes made until they get comfortable with the new system/players.I believe whom ever seems more comfortable playing within the new scheme in early September will get the starting job.Neither has really impressed anyone yet and to tell you the trueth it should not be a surprise to anyone,they have only played 2 games.To count Ramsey out now is under estimating Gibbs word and Ramseys ability,he still has a chance to win the starting spot.If for some reason he allready thinks Brunnell has won and he is playing like crap on purpose then we dont need ANY player like that on the team.I mention this because that has been brought up in this thread,I find that reason for his play absurd at best.It is going to take time for either of these QBs to excell because it is new to everyone there.Thats is a hard fact. I have no doubts about one of the 2 over coming this challenge and leading his team to many victories THIS season.:Peace:

[SkinsGuru]

I like the waiting game . . .

I think that both QB's need equal reps right now becuase they are both learning a new system and playing with some new guys . . . if the "starter" were to be named now and take the majority of the snaps in practice and then get hurt in week 1 the backup would not be ready to go . . . we need BOTH of them ready to go!!!

[IowaSkinsFan]

I bet you guys have never seen that. The thread starter debating his own thread.....:D

That's a first for me!

[SkinsForLife]

I don't think he's named a starter already. Neither of them look good enough to be a starter yet. (That's not good is it?). Until one of them looks a lot better than the other, I don't think Gibbs will name a starter. If neither looks better than the other by September 12, then Brunell will start. The O line would hopefully play the same no matter whose behind them. When it comes to the recievers, it would be nice for one of them to create more of connection with them, but they have to be ready to play with the other if the starter goes down.

[Carmelo]

I agree that we shouldn't put too much stock into a pass thrown against 2nd teamers in pre-season.........That being said: Were you watching the same play as me? That pass hit McCants in Stride perfectly. He only had astep on the Defender. The ball could not have been placed better. Those were the types of passes that made the Brunell-Jimmy Smith Connection a lethal one.

The DB didn't tought the ball and McCants didn't have to jump. Can't throw a bomb any better than that........
agreed, that wasn't just a hail mary. That ball was on a rope and it landed in the right spot. DMAC slowed juuuuust a step to get it but it was barely noticeable. Not as easy a pass as whistle makes it out to be. And Redwolf is right; Ramsey should have made his chances with passes like that to make the competition even. We shouldn't have to say, 'if brunell didn't...'

[CarMike]

Don't all tarheel fans debate with themselves Mike?


yeah, because we can't intelligent woofpack fans to debate with.....;)

[whistleandthumb]

Were you watching the same play as me?

No, it was a different game, entirely.

[whistleandthumb]

Not as easy a pass as whistle makes it out to be.

I never said it was easy. In fact, I think it was a pretty awful pass, and if it wasn't for DMac's amazing skillz, it wouldn't have been caught. But since everyone is pooping all over me, I'll go back and watch the play... perhaps I'm remembering it wrong.

All that being said, even if it was the most beautiful pass ever thrown in professional sports, it's still only ONE great completion that Brunell has made. And while he looks more comfortable than Ramsey, they still both stink right now, and I don't feel REAL comfortable with either of them leading our team. However, I'm optimistic that everyone is still getting their heads wrapped around this offense, and things are going to look better in the coming weeks.

[LATrueRedskin]

I think a starter should be named soon as well, and pretty much for the reasons that CarMike posted. Recievers will get more comfortable catching to only one QB, and since we have a lefty and a righty, it takes some time. It would just help the whole team chemistry more if they, and we, know who is the starter.

[Jimskin]

Whoever is in there, be it Brunell or Ramsey, Gibbs will make the right decision based on his offense. It'd be really cool to see all your heads spin around (exorsist wise) if it was Hasslebeck. I'm open for whatever Gibbs does. He's watching the films, he's there everyday knowing the players attitudes. We can only speculate. My gut...Brunell the first half of season then Ramsey to lead them into the playoffs.

[BandWagon]

Did anyone else get the impression that Brunell was starting to pull his game together last week? I don't know if I can necessarily pinpoint it, but after watching the game again I think he looked a bit sharper and seemed to be getting into a groove. I post this thought here, because if so, it might make sense to roll with Brunell and give him a lot of time with the starting units before the Tampa game.

[bantu]

O-linemen themselves have said it doesn't matter so much with blindsides and such. I think it was an interview with Jansen, where he was being asked about having to protect the blindside and why it is so much more important and he was like, "It isn't that much of a difference. You still have to block and hit. Just cuz you're not protecting the blindside doesn't mean you don't block as hard, or that they put weaker linemen on that side."

[CarMike]

O-linemen themselves have said it doesn't matter so much with blindsides and such. I think it was an interview with Jansen, where he was being asked about having to protect the blindside and why it is so much more important and he was like, "It isn't that much of a difference. You still have to block and hit. Just cuz you're not protecting the blindside doesn't mean you don't block as hard, or that they put weaker linemen on that side."

I agree with what Jansen said. There's not much difference...

BUT, its more important that you do your job when you are protecting a QBs blindside. One bad play by your RT/LT can leave your QB very vulnerable.

[CowboyKilla]

I don't think it hurts us at all. Mystery to the rest of the league is a good thing. There is nothing wrong with not naming one just yet, even I think its right around the corner. It's a formality. No Biggie at all. If the line can block it can block qb is irrelevant in that regard.

[IndianBaller27]

I don't think he has named a starter yet. Either that or he's playin it off really well... I think Brunell will start.

[sdredskinsfan]

Or because he's afraid of being the backup and the added pressure is getting to him.

Or.........because he has ALWAYS been inconsistent since he's been with the 'skins.

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

I don't think it hurts us at all. Mystery to the rest of the league is a good thing. There is nothing wrong with not naming one just yet, even I think its right around the corner. It's a formality. No Biggie at all. If the line can block it can block qb is irrelevant in that regard.
It's a tough decision (name or not to name a starting QB)... I remember Jerry Rice saying that it was tough to get used to catching passes from a left-handed QB (Young) when he was used to a right-handed one (Montana). I don't think Gibbs has a starter right now, but if he has one before the last preseason game, he won't tell it. He wants all of the other teams to have a tough time making a game plan against the skins, and that surely depends a lot on who the QB is.

[sdredskinsfan]

Gibbs has done fine in the past with changing starters midway thru the season (see Schroeder/Williams), so I don't see a problem with him not naming a starter yet. Additionally, neither Brunell nor Ramsey has done much and it would be counterproductive, I think, to reinforce sub-par QB play by elevating one of them to starter status. Also, I really don't think he has automatically chosen Brunell as the starter because of the paycheck. He has already said that he wants both #1 and #2 QBs to be more than capable starters; and that Brunell's presence can only improve Ramsey's value to the team (though Ramsey's play currently says otherwise). However, I do think Brunell will be the starter based on his play and NOT based on his paycheck. I am surprised at those on this site who think Gibbs will play someone based on their paycheck........unless, of course, you are one of those members who didn't actually root for the 'skins when Gibbs was coach.

[IMALILTEAPOT]

Or.........because he has ALWAYS been inconsistent since he's been with the 'skins.
i hate to admit it but ur right. he holds on to the ball too long and has no pocket presence. sure he can duck and chick but his passes are usually too high or to low. Being a backup to brunnell will be the best thing in the world for him. Ramsey learned from Shane Mathews, Sage Rosenfels, and danny Wuerfel! I know how to throw a football better than them! I still see him as the future but he needs to step up