surprising cuts?!

[BIGSEF3]

has anyone else gotten that e-mail from washingtonpost.com about cuts on august 31st? it talked about the competition, how there are ALOT of good receivers on our team, we can only keep a few, and gibbs loves gari scott.

it went on to talk about how jacobs, mcants, gardner, and coles keep having all these injuries. the article concluded saying,

"The first NFL cutdown date is Aug. 31, and Gibbs has hinted that he is looking for durability from his players and a willingness to play through minor injuries. Unless the health of some receivers improves there could be a few surprising releases at that spot by the end of the month."

i dont know about you guys, but that makes me things jacobs, mccants, and maybe even gardner are out of here. i would HATE to lose either of them b/c they are both so good. aside from that, it would have been much better to have gotten rid of them a while ago, when we could have gotten something in exchange.

[IMALILTEAPOT]

Hes not gonna cut McCants. He's one of the few redskins that trully is a skins fan and loves this team. Taylor is gone. I dont think he should cut Gardner

[fever1972]

I am thinking that they might trade Gardner to Miami to get the DE.

[BIGSEF3]

i strongly agree with getting rid of gardner. mccants has been inconsistant lately, but look at the offense he's been in the past two years. and why the heck is gardner even still here? in my opinion, he's one of the worst receivers on our team. i would LOVE our receiving corps to look like this:

#1 Coles
#2 McCants
#3 Thrash
#4 Scott

[BIGSEF3]

I am thinking that they might trade Gardner to Miami to get the DE.

agreed. I'm sure we could sweeten the deal by sending betts and maybe even hassleback along with him.

[garedskin]

If anything it should put alot of fire into ALL the WRs hearts on the roster.Basically telling everyone of them that they have to compete at practice in order to make this team regardless of what they accomplished in years past.I love it. :Peace:

[IMALILTEAPOT]

i strongly agree with getting rid of gardner. mccants has been inconsistant lately, but look at the offense he's been in the past two years. and why the heck is gardner even still here? in my opinion, he's one of the worst receivers on our team. i would LOVE our receiving corps to look like this:

#1 Coles
#2 McCants
#3 Thrash
#4 Scott
That list isnt too scary to me. I think u cut Jacobs but leave everyone. We need a sturdy #2 with Gardner. McCants has been the most consistent so far this preseason along with Scott

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

has anyone else gotten that e-mail from washingtonpost.com about cuts on august 31st? it talked about the competition, how there are ALOT of good receivers on our team, we can only keep a few, and gibbs loves gari scott.

it went on to talk about how jacobs, mcants, gardner, and coles keep having all these injuries. the article concluded saying,

"The first NFL cutdown date is Aug. 31, and Gibbs has hinted that he is looking for durability from his players and a willingness to play through minor injuries. Unless the health of some receivers improves there could be a few surprising releases at that spot by the end of the month."

i dont know about you guys, but that makes me things jacobs, mccants, and maybe even gardner are out of here. i would HATE to lose either of them b/c they are both so good. aside from that, it would have been much better to have gotten rid of them a while ago, when we could have gotten something in exchange.

that doesnt sound good for jacobs. that would be a surprise cut because he was getting rave reviews in mini-camps, but he truly hasnt proven a thing.

[BIGSEF3]

hes been injured the whole time. the whole article was about gibbs wanting healthy players who play through injuries. jacobs hasnt done that. and the article said it would be surprising. i think jacobs being cut is a done deal.

[whistleandthumb]

I don't see Jacobs making this team. McCants isn't going anywhere, and I'd look for Gari Scott to be a big playmaker this year. It's hard to imagine them cutting Gardner, because I do think he can be a big receiver for us, but if we can trade him for Ogun or another DL, then that would be okay with me. My major concern would be if Coles has to miss games this season, I sure would feel better with Gardner out there.

[NCskinsfanatic]

To me that sounds like Betts(who is always hurt) and Jacobs (who has yet to be healthy) would be likely canidates to be cut. However, I think we should trade them along with a pick in next years draft for Ogun...... helping Miami in areas that they had key losses and us in an area we have yet to properly address. I would worry about our depth at RB and WR but if Betts and Jacobs cant stay healthy then what depth do we really have anyway?

[BledBrgndy&Gld]

everyone hates on Gardner but i think he is better than yall give him credit for. his hands are a little shakey from time to time but he is big and is very useful in red zone plays.

1. coles
2. gardner
3. mccants
4. scott
5. jacobs

what has trash done in the preseason, nothing yet. but he is a vet, so i dunno we will see.

[redwolf1218]

tall guys: gari scott, 6'-2...gardner, 6'-2...mccants, 6'-3...
speed guys: coles, thrash
play jacobs, betts and all the other guys we are going to cut anyway this week, make them look good, then trade them all to miami for ogunleye. too bad we could not have thrown winey and iffy into the package deal as well.

[REDMAN]

I like all of the wr's, but somebody has to go.

[TexSkin]

The only guy I know for sure is gone is Russell. I dont believe I have ever heard of that guy being healthy.

[Odyn]

The only guy I know for sure is gone is Russell. I dont believe I have ever heard of that guy being healthy.

Maybe on draft day, and that's it.

There is no way Gardner goes anywhere without us getting anything out of it, and I just don't think we have the cap room to make the Ogunleye deal go down. I think Gardner is a very solid #2. The rest of them can duke it out. Remember though, it is alot harder to be a receiver in the Gibbs offense. At most, there will be 3 receivers going out, so unless there is playaction, every receiver will at least be double covered. That can make for some hard catches and breakaway speed is key. Gardner has the height advantage, it's the mid-range guys that are really going to have to battle. This is one of the reason's why Gibbs keeps more H-backs and TE's on the team than WR's.

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

I don't think we should cut neither Betts, nor Jacobs. We can get something for them. I STILL have a little faith in Taylor Jacobs. Probably his last chance is this saturday. Cliff Russell is just glass.

[lsuredskin]

For all you guys that think Jacobs is going to be cut, I wouldn't bet on it. Injury prone or not, in the NFL you don't give up on your first pick from the previous year that quickly.

[BIGSEF3]

i think the skins were reasoning that ogunle is too expensive.

[Redskinmayhem]

yeah I don't think Jacobs will be cut that easily. All I heard out of the mini camps was how much the caoches loved Jacobs. I think Russel may be cut. Gibbs will find a way to stash Scott on the PS. Sultan might be gone and I think Gardner/Morton/Betts in any combo might be traded. We've got depth at the WR and RB positions. Either way I trust in Gibbs.

[Keino]

There is that small little Salary Cap thingy we have to worry about with Ogunleye. We don't have the ammo for this trade, especially now that Miami is actively guaging interest. Who would trade for Betts? Would any of you be pro any trade discussed in this thread if you were the GM of teh Dolphins? I didn't think so. I think we should put the Ogunleye thoughts to bed....It ain't gonna happen.

As for Rod gardner....anyone notice the article where it said that Gardner and Coles are entrenched as starters? Gibbs must see something if Gardner hasn't come off the 1st team......

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

WR's:
#1 Coles
#2 Gardner
#3 McCants
#4 Thrash
#5 Jacobs
#6 Scott/Jaffar

PS: Jaffar/Scott

I don't see why we should cut Jacobs, honestly... who would take his place anyway?

[dj_stouty]

You guys really got to stop thinking any NFL franchise would be willing trade a top notch player for a bunch of Redskin throw-backs. Every team in the league has it's own Gardner, Russell and Hasselbeck. Why would they want ours?

Here is how I see it on the WR front...

* Coles will be the #1WR unless he is sidelined by that injury.
* Gardner isn't going anywhere as long as Coles' toe is still a questionmark.
* DMC is one of the few WRs Gibbs has personally commented on. Regardless if he sits out a practice or two for heat exhaustion or not, he will be wearing B&G when week 1 comes around. I highly doubt he was one of the WRs Gibbs was referring to about playing through minor injuries.
* That being said, Cliff Russell and Taylor Jacobs are always hurt...and as far as I'm concerned, they are stealing paychecks from the franchise. I could see one of them (if not both) being cut before the begining of the season.
* Thrash was brought in for leadership as well as for his special teams talents. (kick returns as well as coverage)
* Gibbs may "like" Gari Scott, but I don't see him making this team, unless he continues making BIG plays this offseason. Gari Scott is quickly becoming the 2004 version of Scott Cloman. Last year, Cloman made ONE nice catch, and every Skins fan this side of the equator annointed him the next great Skins WR. (NOT ME!) Gari Scott is practice squad fodder, at best, until further notice.
*Standeford, Jafar Williams, Brewer, Dillard, Cloman, Douglas and the rest of the WR peanut gallery won't even come close to making the practice squad unless they step it up. It will be a tough 3 weeks for most of these guys. I noticed that not one of them even has a special teams tackle yet...

This being said...I could see us starting the year with...

1. Coles
2. Gardner
3. McCants
4. Thrash
5. Jacobs (or possible FA signing)

I could also see Gardner and McCants swapping spots 1/2 way through the year.

[Redskinmayhem]

You're right about the no-go for Ogun. Betts I could see going for some pics next year. For some reason I don't see Morton as being a part of this team this season.

[SkinsForLife]

If we do trade Gardner, I really have no clue if we will, I think it will be for a draft pick. This late into TC it would be tough for a player to come in and get used to the system and gel with everyone else.

By the way, Tex Skins, your sig is dancing right with the music I'm listening too.

[CarMike]

What depresses me most about cutting Betts and Jacobs is the fact that thats two 2nd round picks down the drain...

[redwolf1218]

What depresses me most about cutting Betts and Jacobs is the fact that thats two 2nd round picks down the drain...
same here. thats a good spot to pick up a career starter at center or guard. as for surprising cuts...after following this thread most of the day, nothing would surprise me. knock on wood.

[smoot]

ugh, so many wasted draft picks....

[JoeDaSchmoe]

I can't see them tossing Jacobs yet. He was only drafted a year ago. Russell will go, Betts will go, Jimoh will go, probably a few others. And DJ's right about the Ogunleye trade.

[smoot]

i agree with joe, i dont see jacobs going just yet

[Portis=MVP]

I think you guys are going a bit overboard here. I know Taylor Jacobs didn't do jack squat last year, he was still a 2ND ROUND PICK and you can't just give up on 2nd rounders after 1 year. Cliff Russell on the other hand will probably be cut because he has done nothing in 2 or 3 years and is still not healthy and would probably not even warrant a waiver claim. The receivers should look like this.

#1 Coles
#2 Gardner (motivated hopefully)
#3 McCants
#4 Thrash
#5 Jacobs
#6 Gari Scott (special teams as well)

Anyone disagree with that????

[War Hogg]

I could see Jacobs,Russell, and possibly Gardner receiving a pink slip or being traded or something. It would be a blessing from the heavens to trade Gardner for Adwele (a true blue pass rusher).

[joethefan]

has anyone else gotten that e-mail from washingtonpost.com about cuts on august 31st? it talked about the competition, how there are ALOT of good receivers on our team, we can only keep a few, and gibbs loves gari scott.

it went on to talk about how jacobs, mcants, gardner, and coles keep having all these injuries. the article concluded saying,

"The first NFL cutdown date is Aug. 31, and Gibbs has hinted that he is looking for durability from his players and a willingness to play through minor injuries. Unless the health of some receivers improves there could be a few surprising releases at that spot by the end of the month."

i dont know about you guys, but that makes me things jacobs, mccants, and maybe even gardner are out of here. i would HATE to lose either of them b/c they are both so good. aside from that, it would have been much better to have gotten rid of them a while ago, when we could have gotten something in exchange.


THey won't do anything with DMAC...now taylor and Gardner could be on the bubble.

[redwolf1218]

I think you guys are going a bit overboard here. I know Taylor Jacobs didn't do jack squat last year, he was still a 2ND ROUND PICK and you can't just give up on 2nd rounders after 1 year. Cliff Russell on the other hand will probably be cut because he has done nothing in 2 or 3 years and is still not healthy and would probably not even warrant a waiver claim. The receivers should look like this.

#1 Coles
#2 Gardner (motivated hopefully)
#3 McCants
#4 Thrash
#5 Jacobs
#6 Gari Scott (special teams as well)

Anyone disagree with that????
i think at this point i'd agree except for #6. i'd switch G. Scott to 5 and Jacobs to 6, based on playing time (scott) and injuries (jacobs). also, i'm not sure if Gibbs will keep 6 on the active roster. if he keeps 5 he might stash the 6th best on the practice squad. i think he'll stash 2 receivers on the P.S. to allow for future departures.

[IowaSkinsFan]

If Betts doesn't play soon, he will be cut, and that, while maybe not surprising, will definately be disappointing.

[ConradCountry]

Kevin Mitchell is my vote for most surprising cut, he hasn't lookes good at all and the young LBs are looking really good esp Clif Smith and Khary Campbell. I say if Barrow is ready to go Mtchel will get his papers.

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

Kevin Mitchell is my vote for most surprising cut, he hasn't lookes good at all and the young LBs are looking really good esp Clif Smith and Khary Campbell. I say if Barrow is ready to go Mtchel will get his papers.
The thing here is that we don't know if Barrow is ready to go. We will need a veteran if he isn't.

[redwolf1218]

The thing here is that we don't know if Barrow is ready to go. We will need a veteran if he isn't.
i wonder who'd start at middle linebacker if mitchell gets released and barrow is still hurt?

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

i wonder who'd start at middle linebacker if mitchell gets released and barrow is still hurt?
That's why I think Mitchell wont be released