What about Calvin Pace

[jimminie82]

former Number 1 pick might be let go from the Cards, is he a bust or just a victom of the system they ran? :banghead:

[smoak]

they only way i would want him is if we can get him signed and in uniform BEFORE friday... seems liek a long shot.

[ihatedallas]

is he aviable?Or would you like to trade for him?If we traded anything it would be a back....I dont think he would really improve what we have now.

[redwolf1218]

6'-4, 262, former 18th overall pick in 2003 out of wake forest. 32 tackles and 1 sack last year in 14 games. might be a victim of Denny Green's power ego.

[Spence]

The dude sucks. Just another idiotic draft choice by a franchise that has an even worse record with draft picks than the Skins do.

[smoak]

The dude sucks. Just another idiotic draft choice by a franchise that has an even worse record with draft picks than the Skins do.

we haven't been that bad lately?

[REDMAN]

we haven't been that bad lately?

That is true of our recent first round picks, but some of the seconds and thirds on down have been terrible over the years.

[Spence]

we haven't been that bad lately?1992: Desmond Howard [4th overall]

1993: Tom Carter [17th overall]

1994: Heath Shuler [3rd overall]

1995: Michael Westbrook [4th overall]

1996: Dan Wilkinson [traded 12th overall pick and a 3rd round pick to acquire]
1996: Andre Johnson [30th overall, traded 2nd and 3rd round picks to acquire]

1997: Kenard Lang [17th overall]

1998: None

1999: Champ Bailey [7th overall]

2000: Lavar Arrington [2nd overall]
2000: Chris Samuels [3rd overall]

2001: Rod Gardner [15th overall]

2002: Patrick Ramsey [32nd overall]

2003: Taylor Jacobs [44th overall]

The draft history of the Washington Redskins from 1992-1998 is as bad as any team in NFL history over a seven-year period. 1999 and 2000 produced much better drafts at the top, but virtually nothing after the second round. Rod Gardner is a solid NFL player, but was clearly taken too high at #15 overall. Patrick Ramsey is still a mostly unknown quantity and the less said about Taylor Jacobs' career so far, the better. Suffice to say that Jacobs is struggling to beat out a guy named Gari Scott.

If you want a more in-depth look at how the Redskins have drafted recently check out this article (http://www.hailredskins.com/darfthistoryarticle.htm) I wrote back in 2002.

[smoak]

true... i wouldn't use the redskins as a benchmark for a successful draft, but i wouldn't use us as the bechmark for a poor draft either... i'd say we're average.

[ihatedallas]

since '99 we haven't been that bad...and trading away our 1st for coles was worth it

[smoak]

that is why i said lately... the 90's were AWFUL.

champ was great. that draft was a steal (rick williams)

in 2000, i would have probably kept the three picks rather than trade for 2 top picks. but the players we drafted are all pro caliber.

rod gardner is a solid #2 WR. he was the guy i wanted in that draft at that position. no complaints.

patrick ramsey is a very talented young QB plus we kept trading abck to get him. very smart.

the jury is still out on jacobs, but i really like what i see and so do the coaches. i have not heard that gari scott is beating him for a spot on the team?

anyone can look back after 4 years and say a team had a great or horrible draft, but the reality is that it is VERY difficult to predict at the time. some teams (me included i'll admit) thought leaf would make a great pro QB. i dodn't know about his mental state, but there are guys all the time who just don't pan out for one reason or another.

in the past 5 years or so, i have been ok with our drafts. i'd like to see more late round picks contribute, but maybe that is "chicken or the egg" theory. do draft picks emerge and make the coaches look good... or do good coaches make the best of low round picks?

[redwolf1218]

The draft history of the Washington Redskins from 1992-1998 is as bad as any team in NFL history over a seven-year period.
i always wondered what everyone seemed to think was so great about charley casserly. it remains to be seen what he's doing with the Texans.

[LATrueRedskin]

Spence has the list right there. From '92-'98 we have had the worst draft pick decisions I have ever seen. Looking at those names is really laughable. We've been getting better lately, especially with drafting a few of the best athletes in all of the NFL in Champ, LA, and Sean Taylor.

[redwolf1218]

1996: Andre Johnson [30th overall, traded 2nd and 3rd round picks to acquire]

the ultimate irony here was this deal was made with dallas to move up something like 8 spots into the end of the first round, to get a guy who never even played.

[CarMike]

The dude sucks. Just another idiotic draft choice by a franchise that has an even worse record with draft picks than the Skins do.

I agree with Spence partially. Pace was expected to go in the 3rd round. 3RD ROUND!!!!! Not the first like the Cardinals selected him.

He was a beast in college. I haven't followed him as much since he joined the NFL. But to say he sucks....when he played for a sucky team....may be going overboard.

Who knows how he'd do if he went to the right kind of team. GW may be a good fit for Pace....that is IF he is let go of....

[ConradCountry]

A couple of things the first being that the Redskins in the last 6 years have been money in the first round.

99 Champ Bailey
00 LaVar/Sameuls
02 Pat Ramsey
03 Lavernius Coles
04 Sean Taylor

It is our 2nd rd picks that stink the joint out only Jon Jansen and Fred Smoot were good picks.
In 02 we had a 2nd {Betts}, 3rd {Russel}, 3rd {Bauman}, they all suck and these are the picks that you build a team with.

Moving on I doubt Pace gets cut after 1 year but if he does I say we grab him 32 tackles and 1 sack isn't a terrible rookie season and yes he was a 1st rd reach but we have nothing he would add youth and speed. Who knows maybe it was playing in Arizona he did face LTs like Pace, Jones, Deese twice a year.

Pace would be a good pick up because he is better then what we have and could develop into a player.

[headhogg]

A couple of things the first being that the Redskins in the last 6 years have been money in the first round.

99 Champ Bailey
00 LaVar/Sameuls
02 Pat Ramsey
03 Lavernius Coles
04 Sean Taylor

It is our 2nd rd picks that stink the joint out only Jon Jansen and Fred Smoot were good picks.
In 02 we had a 2nd {Betts}, 3rd {Russel}, 3rd {Bauman}, they all suck and these are the picks that you build a team with.

Moving on I doubt Pace gets cut after 1 year but if he does I say we grab him 32 tackles and 1 sack isn't a terrible rookie season and yes he was a 1st rd reach but we have nothing he would add youth and speed. Who knows maybe it was playing in Arizona he did face LTs like Pace, Jones, Deese twice a year.

Pace would be a good pick up because he is better then what we have and could develop into a player.
I doubt Pace will leave now that Dennis Green is there, I think the cardinal have let far too many talented players go, Jake Plummer ,Aenius Williams and David Boston to name a few. If he was cut though I would probably sign him if he doesn't ask for to much.

[SkinsCT]

I would sign Pace in a heartbeat; regardless of the Cardinals taking him way too high he is still talented enough to have been a first day pick in that draft. If we can get him in here and have him be a situational guy until he gets his feet wet I say absolutely go for it.

[ConradCountry]

I would sign Pace in a heartbeat; regardless of the Cardinals taking him way too high he is still talented enough to have been a first day pick in that draft. If we can get him in here and have him be a situational guy until he gets his feet wet I say absolutely go for it.

Completly agree!

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

i havent seen pace at all but he is younger than brackens, holmes, douglass, etc. so there is at potential that he could be productive. i would chance a one year deal.....

[RedskinRyan]

i think greg williams could make something of him. i wouldnt pencil him in as a starter though. but i dont think pace is getting cut. it's ludacris enough to think that jacobs could be cut, a 2nd round pick with only 1 year on him, but 1 year on a 1st round pick? the arizona fan(s) would really have to question the front office on their decision making.

[C-7]

If you want a more in-depth look at how the Redskins have drafted recently check out this article (http://www.hailredskins.com/darfthistoryarticle.htm) I wrote back in 2002.



Great article, Spence. First time I ever read it and I really enjoyed it. Very accurate.

[Arrington4Life]

I think Calvin Pace just needs a steer in the right direction. Young, fast, strong athlete. He was a casualty of a crappy defense and a coach who is trying to get the best? team possible. I think we give him a shot, he could be a real pickup.

[truant]

he'd be an excellent pickup... but i wonder if he'd make it through waivers... it'd be odd of the Cards to not try to trade him. He was taken a little too high, but he was a pretty legit player coming out of college.

Denny Green is getting a bunch of his guys in, but still i'd be really surprised if he just cut loose Pace already.

[ihatedallas]

So there's a rumor that he'll be released?I'd pick hjim up if aviable but hes still a cardinal...

[BurgundyNGold]

1992: Desmond Howard [4th overall]

1993: Tom Carter [17th overall]

1994: Heath Shuler [3rd overall]

1995: Michael Westbrook [4th overall]

1996: Dan Wilkinson [traded 12th overall pick and a 3rd round pick to acquire]
1996: Andre Johnson [30th overall, traded 2nd and 3rd round picks to acquire]

1997: Kenard Lang [17th overall]

1998: None

1999: Champ Bailey [7th overall]

2000: Lavar Arrington [2nd overall]
2000: Chris Samuels [3rd overall]

2001: Rod Gardner [15th overall]

2002: Patrick Ramsey [32nd overall]

2003: Taylor Jacobs [44th overall]

The draft history of the Washington Redskins from 1992-1998 is as bad as any team in NFL history over a seven-year period. 1999 and 2000 produced much better drafts at the top, but virtually nothing after the second round. Rod Gardner is a solid NFL player, but was clearly taken too high at #15 overall. Patrick Ramsey is still a mostly unknown quantity and the less said about Taylor Jacobs' career so far, the better. Suffice to say that Jacobs is struggling to beat out a guy named Gari Scott.

If you want a more in-depth look at how the Redskins have drafted recently check out this article (http://www.hailredskins.com/darfthistoryarticle.htm) I wrote back in 2002.
Great article Spence. I had never read it before. But I do have to call out something pretty funny in your article: "Steve Spurrier's Ferrari offense". :lol1:

[colkurtz]

Spense - good recap of the dismal 90's and our miserable draft choices. With our present coaching staff, I think we will have better draft picks over the next few years.

[redwolf1218]

he'd be an excellent pickup... but i wonder if he'd make it through waivers... it'd be odd of the Cards to not try to trade him. He was taken a little too high, but he was a pretty legit player coming out of college.

Denny Green is getting a bunch of his guys in, but still i'd be really surprised if he just cut loose Pace already.
i think we are pretty high up on the waiver wire. i dont what his current contract is though.

[truant]

2 sacks, 2 forced fumbles tonight...

not likely to get waived

[ihatedallas]

2 sacks, 2 forced fumbles tonight...

not likely to get waived

:banghead: :cussing:

[bigcmr]

i always wondered what everyone seemed to think was so great about charley casserly. it remains to be seen what he's doing with the Texans.

I agree 100% Casserly is way over rated. Look at all of the picks he made from 92-98.
The problem is the FO for some reason has a hard time drafting in the late rounds. And likes tradeing away draft picks.

And I don't see the cards letting Pace go this year.