Why didn't Taylor start and play alot? [Archive]

ShaggySkins

09-12-2004, 09:55 PM

I watched Taylor when he played for Bowen in the 2nd quarter and he just looked lost. It has me a little bit worried because his biggest knock on him coming out of college was his ability to learn and study the playbook. He's had all offseason to learn the plays. By now he needs to be on the field and not just playing ST. He almost got beat for a TD by Galloway but he dropped the ball.

colkurtz

09-12-2004, 09:59 PM

I think that lessons are being taught in that regard.

They kind of talked around it on the tv. Did they not play him because he missed some practices (due to illness)? Or because he just wasn't 100% well?

I saw Portis consoling Taylor at the beginning of the game [presumably because he wasn't starting]

Bowen had a great game and Lott looked good also. Either way, our FS and SS players have improved considerably from last year.

rskinsfan10

09-12-2004, 10:05 PM

I have heard rumblings that he is not picking up the scheme as well as Gibbs/Williams would have hoped.

JoeJacksonTaylor28

09-12-2004, 10:09 PM

I have heard rumblings that he is not picking up the scheme as well as Gibbs/Williams would have hoped.
where?

colkurtz

09-12-2004, 10:21 PM

I have heard rumblings that he is not picking up the scheme as well as Gibbs/Williams would have hoped.

Sean Taylor got beat by Galloway and it was just a dropped pass that saved a TD on him. He's going to have to learn the system and not just rely on his substantial athleticism. Not starting him was a tough lesson; I hope he gets it.

akhhorus

09-12-2004, 10:24 PM

I have heard rumblings that he is not picking up the scheme as well as Gibbs/Williams would have hoped.

yeah Kenny, since you're one of the people who criticizes when people don't provide a source, please attribute this or say it's just gossip.

akhhorus

09-12-2004, 10:25 PM

Cause he missed some practices, plus I don't think he's mentally ready yet. Superman looked kinda lossed on some of the plays he was out there for.

he was sick all week and only played about half the game, lay off of him.

hail2skins

09-12-2004, 10:36 PM

Well, it's not big secret that Williams thinks Taylor doesn't respect the speed of WR's in the league and he actually said that he wanted Taylor to get beat a couple of times in the preseason game against the Rams. Mind you, Theismann mentioned in this in one of the last preseason games he worked, so I have no link from it. I did hear on one of the TV's in the stadium that a player was being held out for precautionary measures but I don't if the were talking about the Bucs or the Skins.

Remember, it wasn't announced that I can remember that Taylor would be starting. It was announced that Cooley would be starting and since Taylor was a higher round picks for us, I'd assume that if he was getting the start, it would have been announced like Cooley's.

dabro

09-12-2004, 10:51 PM

Sean Taylor got beat by Galloway and it was just a dropped pass that saved a TD on him. He's going to have to learn the system and not just rely on his substantial athleticism. Not starting him was a tough lesson; I hope he gets it.

I also wonder if Williams wisely didn't start him because it's ST's first game, and he has to get used to the speed, which is reputed to be faster than preseason games. Once he settles down and the "game slows down" for him, and he proves he's learned enough, he'll start. This could take all season. Who knows? But once he "gets it", he's going to be one hell of a great safety!

colkurtz

09-12-2004, 11:15 PM

So I'm trying not to be dense here, but was Taylor beat by Galloway:

because he was still getting over the effects of the illness?

Or

he just got beat, by a very good player?

ShaggySkins

09-12-2004, 11:19 PM

All that matters is that he got beat

hockeygoalie29

09-13-2004, 12:18 AM

Here's a Post article on him not starting:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A16989-2004Sep12.html

hockeygoalie29

09-13-2004, 12:22 AM

Toward the end of the preseason, however, Gregg Williams, Washington's assistant head coach-defense, said he hoped that Taylor would experience NFL lessons typical for rookies. Washington's defensive coaches weren't displeased that the Redskins' secondary struggled during a 28-3 loss against the speedy St. Louis Rams in the penultimate exhibition game Aug. 27.

"He's nowhere near reaching his potential," safeties coach Steve Jackson said. "He hasn't had to reach down to make things happen. But that time will come."

Taylor is far from grasping the nuances of playing safety in the NFL. Coaches say that as defensive quarterback and the last line of the defense, Taylor must learn to recognize plays more rapidly instead of mainly relying on his physical talents. His coaches have couched their words when talking about Taylor's study habits.

The safety is candid about not extensively watching film. "Honestly, I'm not a person that's going to study film for hours and hours," Taylor said. "I feel there's a time to study but you don't have to overwork your mind. What I do is I take what I know and use it, and I build off that."

This is from a few days ago in the Post, it took me a few minutes to find it again. I don't really like his comment on not watching a lot of film though. He'll learn the ways of the NFL.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A9963-2004Sep9.html

bantu

09-13-2004, 12:42 AM

He missed a meeting and was being punished for it. The coaching staff said it was a medical issue, since Taylor has been feeling ill all week. However, the real reason is the meeting being missed, and the the coaching staff sending a message that that kind of stuff won't be tolerated.
Thats why Gibbs & Co. are so great. They kept the problem in-house, and didn't use the media to punish or embarrass Sean Taylor.

SonnyandSam

09-13-2004, 01:03 AM

he was sick all week and only played about half the game, lay off of him.

Frank Herzog said that Taylor was being taught a lesson. Taylor was ill early in the week but he did not start and his playing time was cut back because he missed a defense meeting. Herzog says "Joe is making it clear to every player that you are part of the team. If you don't want to be part of the team, then you're not going to play"

Not an exact quote but pretty close. Taylor needs to grow up....he will....and he'll learn to respect the speed of every receiver when he keeps getting burned by the likes of Galloway.

These coaches are not going to tolerate the mistakes like the Spurrier regime did. Do it THEIR WAY....or you will be shown the door.

SonnyandSam

09-13-2004, 01:08 AM

So I'm trying not to be dense here, but was Taylor beat by Galloway:

because he was still getting over the effects of the illness?

Or

he just got beat, by a very good player?

He got beat....badly....by an average receiver.

bigcmr

09-13-2004, 02:43 AM

He looked good in pre-season. So I know we will see more of him in the up- coming weeks.

CowboyKilla

09-13-2004, 03:43 AM

paying dues earning stripes.

sdredskinsfan

09-13-2004, 04:39 AM

This is from a few days ago in the Post, it took me a few minutes to find it again. I don't really like his comment on not watching a lot of film though. He'll learn the ways of the NFL.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A9963-2004Sep9.html

I read that article and don't remember anywhere in that article that he was not starting the first reg. season game.

sdredskinsfan

09-13-2004, 04:40 AM

He got beat....badly....by an average receiver.

By an average receiver who pulls something or twists somethin just by coughing the wrong way.

sdredskinsfan

09-13-2004, 04:43 AM

Frank Herzog said that Taylor was being taught a lesson. Taylor was ill early in the week but he did not start and his playing time was cut back because he missed a defense meeting. Herzog says "Joe is making it clear to every player that you are part of the team. If you don't want to be part of the team, then you're not going to play"

Not an exact quote but pretty close. Taylor needs to grow up....he will....and he'll learn to respect the speed of every receiver when he keeps getting burned by the likes of Galloway.

These coaches are not going to tolerate the mistakes like the Spurrier regime did. Do it THEIR WAY....or you will be shown the door.

This explanation makes the most sense. Also, I wonder how much of his self-admittedly sub-standard film reviewing habits has played into this.

flave1969

09-13-2004, 05:11 AM

Spence

09-13-2004, 07:36 AM

All I know is that Bram Weinstein, Redskins beat reporter for WTEM radio in Washington, D.C. says Gibbs and Williams wanted to teach Sean Taylor a lesson for being late to a meeting or missing a meeting. From what Bram said, this is not related to any illness Taylor may have suffered, but due to his unexcused tardiness for a meeting.

Patrick

09-13-2004, 08:15 AM

Well one thing for sure .... we did NOT miss him yesterday!

lsuredskin

09-13-2004, 08:16 AM

He needs to be on the field. He nearly caused a fumble on Garner, it was a fumble but Garners knee was down. He seems to cause at least one turnover per game and that can make a huge difference.

Redskinmayhem

09-13-2004, 08:22 AM

He needs to be on the field. He nearly caused a fumble on Garner, it was a fumble but Garners knee was down. He seems to cause at least one turnover per game and that can make a huge difference.

true but if Galloway cathches that pass, he's the goat of the game. I'll stick with Gibbs and co. on this call.

GolfFreak

09-13-2004, 08:27 AM

Yeah, I was wondering this too since I was looking for him when the games started, but saw Lott instead. WJFK starting asking "where's Taylor" and then I heard about the virus and missed practices. They also said he looked pissed off a the start of the game. I'm sure he'll get his chances ... I'm just glad we won!!!

hockeygoalie29

09-13-2004, 08:56 AM

I read that article and don't remember anywhere in that article that he was not starting the first reg. season game.

Right, the first article I posted talks about him missing the game. I figured this was relevant because it was reffering to Taylor's lack of detail and how the coaching staff was a little set back by it.

joethefan

09-13-2004, 09:01 AM

You guys have got to calm down on Sean. He made a lot of good plays in the pre-season, but he had a mixed week last week and did not start. It is not the end of the world or a disaster he did not start. We all saw the passion that Gregg Williams coaches with, Sean will get that passion I have no doubt about it. One good or bad game means little. Let the boy progress.

Thank you...Good grief it's only one game... Now if Sean didn't start and the safeties didn't play well them I would frown...but that wasn't the case. Just calm down. He did play...matter a fact while watching the TV he did cause that fumble..but it went TB's way....Sean will settle down....leave em alone. Every corner or safety gets beat at some point in the game....WOW! you guys act like he has to be Superman every play...Stop questioning everything all the time. If he didn't start because he was disciplined then that was the decision. Don't read more into it than what it is.... :banghead:

mexskins

09-13-2004, 09:39 AM

St is still a rookie and he is still learning.
He got beat by Galloway because he took a bad angle. He tried to make a play since it was a blitz that was picked up by the bucs.
Like I said yesterday on the game thread, he is still learning. He will be fine.

Hail from Mexico

RichardBradley

09-13-2004, 09:40 AM

Miami plays a very simple basic cover 2 defense. It looks to me that the skins new defense is very complicated give the kid a chance to learn and and feel comfortable and he will be the player we all expect. Personally I am glad we finally have a coach that disiplines his players when they goof

dj_stouty

09-13-2004, 09:42 AM

I notice the "sides" are forming again in defense of...or in dispute of Sean Taylor. LOL

Look, I love Sean Taylor just as much as the next guy...BUT he missed a meeting he was supposed to be at. Plain and simple. Kudos to Williams for punishing him. Hopefully we can see his wonderfull talents in the starting lineup once he gets his act together.

Galloway did beat him to the ball...but not by much. Regardless of your opinon on Galloway, he is fast as lightning (when he isn't hurt) and he is the Buc's #1 wide receiver. I'd prefer for Sean Taylor to be "humbled" by a #1WR than some scrub.

BUT...Galloway dropped the ball...and who isn't to say it was b/c he heard Sean Taylor's footsteps?

PennSkinsFan

09-13-2004, 09:46 AM

We got so damn lucky that BJ over thre Galloway on that play. Taylor was dumbfounded and lost.

Taylor did not play because GW is not comfortbale that he knows and understands the scheme. As aggressive as that Defense was yesterday, as disciplined as they played, well, I'll run with GW's call on this any day. Hopefully the Galloway play m,ade Taylor realize that if he does nto respect the speed of receivers in the NFL, he will get burned.

Now, furthermore than just Taylor not starting, did anyone bnother to notice or mention how well Lott played?

redwolf1218

09-13-2004, 09:47 AM

they said he didnt start because he was sick early in the week and missed meetings and practice crucial to a complicated game plan.

REDMAN

09-13-2004, 09:50 AM

Taylor wil pick it up, we need the youngster to grasp the defense.

rskinsfan10

09-13-2004, 09:54 AM

yeah Kenny, since you're one of the people who criticizes when people don't provide a source, please attribute this or say it's just gossip.

Well, that Post article that hockeygoalie29 posted is one.

I cannot provide you a link to things that are said on the various radio shows in DC, but the fact is these things are being reported, and as a matter of fact, they were being repeated among the hR faithful during yesterday's Tailgate. I was not the only person that was aware of these reports.

I'm not into spreading rumors that just pop up from anywhere.

MDSkins

09-13-2004, 09:57 AM

well, it seems to me like that the pass to galloway was a mismatch created by the tampa...not sure a safety should ever be matched up one on one against a burner like galloway. Taylor will be just fine once he has a chance to adjust.

Remember, in the preseason he faced vanilla offenses, adjusted and did well. Now the teams are throwing their true packages at the defense and he'll have an adjustment period...and will dominate once he does.

Seebs

09-13-2004, 10:02 AM

Let him learn, he's young, he's good, he'll be a star. But now the D played so well!! GW took a good decision. I hope he'll take avery week the good decision.

ShaggySkins

09-13-2004, 10:04 AM

If this would have been Winslow you all would have hung him by now

Just thought I'd point that out

wewantdallas

09-13-2004, 10:16 AM

We got so damn lucky that BJ over thre Galloway on that play. Taylor was dumbfounded and lost.

It was actually a perfect pass from Brad, right in Joey's hands. He just short-armed it and dropped it. Huge break for us.

As for Taylor, i LOVE that Williams didn't start him. The guy has issues that he needs to grow out of - if he's going to miss meetings, he deserves to sit the bench, I don't care how good he is. You saw this defense yesterday. They were ravenous, and they proved they can do it WITHOUT him if necessary.

Taylor needs to learn that he can't lapse at all in this defense - he has to be at every meeting, every practice, period. He owes it to the TEAM. If they can knock that into his thick skull early, while he's a rookie, he could be one of the best ever. If not, he could end up squandering a lot of his potential through selfishness.

I salute Greg Williams for having the balls to sit him down. I think that will teach this kid a lot.

colkurtz

09-13-2004, 10:47 AM

Our defense is very tough now. Wait until Barrows and Taylor return to full form and join the crew.....

Spence

09-13-2004, 11:01 AM

Barrow may return as a backup if Pierce keeps playing the way he did yesterday.

hail2skins

09-13-2004, 12:09 PM

Barrow may return as a backup if Pierce keeps playing the way he did yesterday.

Yeah and Pierce is calling the plays in the huddle too. I also read that Bowen was responsible for making sure everyone was in the right place on defense.

ConradCountry

09-13-2004, 12:12 PM

You can't take Pierce's position away for any reason right now he has not made a mistake.

I want Taylor on the field I don't care if he is sick I want hims tarting but I trust the staff and their decision I hope he starts next week to pick off some Warner lame ducks.

VirginiaRedskin

09-13-2004, 12:24 PM

If this would have been Winslow you all would have hung him by now

Just thought I'd point that out

Great point Shaggy.

The best players in the league get beat. It should not happen often, but at the NFL level it takes less than a second to get two steps behind a WR. That is part of the learning process and it will be broken down in the film room and on the practice field this week.

However, and from what we know about our coach I am confident that he feels the same, watching film and getting to work early to prepare yourself is also a mandatory part of the learning process. I am more disappointed about Taylor not watching enough film and coming late than getting beat. He does not seem to be embracing the cerebral aspect of the game yet, but professionalism and maturity have to come first.