Official Redskins-Browns Game Discussion Thread

[Santheb]

Just a bit off topic...Iron Man is down. you know who i'm talking about.

[rskinsfan10]

Pass to suggs for about 5

2nd and 5

[Texas Skin]

Just FYI: Giants took the lead 13-7 over GB

[rskinsfan10]

Suggs for no gain

3rd and 5 at the 25

[ShaggySkins]

Our defense needs to get a turnover here. As well as they have played they still haven't shown that they can get takeaways.

[SonnyandSam]

Redskins MVP.........Hall?????????????????????

My vote would go to Gregg Williams. Our strength was supposed to be our offense and the defense was going to be bad....remember....no run defense....no pass rush....no shut down corner.

The D is the only reason we have been in every game this year.....no thanks to the offense.

[ShaggySkins]

Another solid series by our defense

[rskinsfan10]

Incomplete pass

Flag on the play.

Illegal motion, declined 4th down

[rskinsfan10]

Ball downed by Browns at the 30

Flag on the play.

Inelligible man downfield for Browns

Re-kick

[Santheb]

PLEASE OFFENSE. WE NEED YOU TO SCORE!!

[ShaggySkins]

Time for Portis to run the ball now and eat up clock

[rskinsfan10]

Punt returned by Thrash to the 33

[Redskin006]

hopefully portis can get a few good and long runs, maybe even a touchdown.

[RedskinsJunkie]

My vote would go to Gregg Williams. Our strength was supposed to be our offense and the defense was going to be bad....remember....no run defense....no pass rush....no shut down corner.

The D is the only reason we have been in every game this year.....no thanks to the offense.


This is also against the TB, NYG, Dal and Cle offensive units. The jury has to still be out on just how good the defense is. Although we would be getting pummeled each game without their efforts.

[rskinsfan10]

Time for Portis to run the ball now and eat up clock
Yep. Time to earn that big contract.

[JakeIron]

time for clinton to shine, come on!!!! We need to eat up time with a solid drive here

[Santheb]

Comparatively, someone who said Tiki Barber was at the "bottom of the barrel" in terms of runningbacks in another thread, well, he's having a better day than our stud.

15 rushes for 141 yards and a TD.

I hope this is just our line and Portis jelling together and by week 8 we can start rolling, but until then...

COME ON GUYS

[Texas Skin]

......You want to get paid like the best runningback in the league?

[rskinsfan10]

Portis for 5

Looks like a facemask was missed.

2nd and 5

[Santheb]

Loss of three by none other than Clinton Portis.

[rskinsfan10]

Portis loss of 3

3rd and 8

[rskinsfan10]

Incomplete pass.

4th down

[Gump84]

I've also had more than enough of Brunell. I'm sick of passing for no more than 4 yards and all of his throwing the ball away. It's 3rd and 8 and it is a major drive, at the very least, try to run the ball.

[rhummer37]

Comparatively, someone who said Tiki Barber was at the "bottom of the barrel" in terms of runningbacks in another thread, well, he's having a better day than our stud.

15 rushes for 141 yards and a TD.

I hope this is just our line and Portis jelling together and by week 8 we can start rolling, but until then...

COME ON GUYS

I thought the person in question said Barber wasn't in the bottom of the barrel?

[Santheb]

I wonder if Tupas leg is tired yet because he's been kicking all day, but I must say, that guy can punt.

[rskinsfan10]

Northcutt to the 20 on the punt return

11:30 in the 4th qt.

[Texas Skin]

I wonder if Tupas leg is tired yet because he's been kicking all day, but I must say, that guy can punt.

That was 56 yards but the returned it 10 more......pretty nice

[SonnyandSam]

Portis.....less than 3 yards per carry.

But I don't blame him. Bugel and the O line are not blocking well. No holes are getting opened up. I can understand the right side being weaker because Jansen is out but what the heck is wrong with Samuels and Dockery?

[suppitty]

Sean Taylor is going to make a play here. That is my random, off-base prediction of the game.

[PGiddy18]

Lets force some turnovers boys!!!

[JakeIron]

looks like we can't lock up the W until our D scores a TD

[rskinsfan10]

Pass for about 6

2nd and 4

[ShaggySkins]

Sean Taylor needs to make a play, for all the hype and preseason plays he has made he's been very quiet during the season.

[Santheb]

Nope, they said bottom of the barrel.


Garner, Barber and George - DECENT?

Bottom of the barrel is more like it - Suggs when healthy is better than all three of those combined.

[rskinsfan10]

Suggs for about 15

1st down

[suppitty]

They just had to show that running d stat didnt they?

[ShaggySkins]

Renaldo Wynn continues to play a very good game

[rskinsfan10]

Pressure on Garcia. Throws it away

2nd and 10

[suppitty]

wow i have more than 50 posts in this game thread.

[rskinsfan10]

Suggs for about 1

3rd and 9

[NCskinsfanatic]

Ok guys just got home from work....game not televised ....how we doing?

[JakeIron]

I can't believe L.Suggs is nearly outrunning Portis, not good

[rskinsfan10]

Pass complete to Morgan

1st down

[Santheb]

First down, damnit.

[suppitty]

Uh-oh.

[ShaggySkins]

Field Goal Range. I'm really starting to miss some of those timeouts

[rhummer37]

Portis.....less than 3 yards per carry.

But I don't blame him. Bugel and the O line are not blocking well. No holes are getting opened up. I can understand the right side being weaker because Jansen is out but what the heck is wrong with Samuels and Dockery?


This is the second time a 60+ year old coach has been blamed for not completing his assignment on the field.



THIS TEAM IS GOING TO PIECES!

:lol1:

[rskinsfan10]

Suggs for 10

1st down on the Skins 30

[suppitty]

Who can make a play?

[rskinsfan10]

TO called by Browns

8:09 left in the game

[Texas Skin]

This is stressing me out, if they score 7 here I swear!!

[PGiddy18]

Ok guys just got home from work....game not televised ....how we doing?

I'm listening to the radio, so i can't be of too much help but its 13-10 us and it ain't looking (sounding) pretty

[Gump84]

It might not be because of Bugel, but this team IS going to pieces.

[NCskinsfanatic]

Geesh man are we so bad that we cant even beat the browns? Sounds like theyre marching down the field on us.

[SonnyandSam]

I can't believe L.Suggs is nearly outrunning Portis, not good

He IS outrunning Portis. He has more yards and is averaging over 4 per carry while Clinton is under 3 per carry. :cry:

[rskinsfan10]

Pass for no gain

2nd and 10

[ShaggySkins]

Good play by Marshall

[Santheb]

WTF

[Gump84]

The Redskins suck. Plain and simple, they suck.

[ShaggySkins]

We have to hold them to 3 here

[NCskinsfanatic]

What?

[SkinsKY]

I'm not watching the game, but my thoughts (from what I've seen so far this year), is that we run too many plays in bunch formation that don't allow Portis room. A long run of ten is terrible.

[suppitty]

THE SEASON IS OVER IF WE DO NOT WIN THIS GAME.

[rskinsfan10]

Pass for 23 yds

Roughing the passer on Pierce.

1st and goal

[RedskinsJunkie]

I've also had more than enough of Brunell. I'm sick of passing for no more than 4 yards and all of his throwing the ball away. It's 3rd and 8 and it is a major drive, at the very least, try to run the ball.



Brunell's signing was one of the biggest blunders in sports. Wasn't Gibbs the one pushing to get him so bad? His deal will cripple us, and for a long time.

Another example of the long layoff by Gibbs hurting us.

[rskinsfan10]

TD Browns

[suppitty]

Ballgame. Season.

[JakeIron]

Again season on the line. This is horrible

[Santheb]

Touchdown Browns...

[Gump84]

And what do you know. Now, we only have 1 timeout left with an offense that practically doesn't work.

[SkinsKY]

THE SEASON IS OVER IF WE DO NOT WIN THIS GAME.

Wow, way to be positive.

[PGiddy18]

ARE YOU F@#KING KIDDING ME!!!!!! What is going on!~!

[rskinsfan10]

17-13 Bad Guys

[ShaggySkins]

Nothing has changed. Our defense chokes every game away. Just like last season stupid mental lapses and dumb penalties.

[Gump84]

What is there to be optimistic about? How about only scoring 13 points on this AWESOME defense we're playing. Maybe giving up 17?

[Redskin006]

this f!!!!!! up. how are we losing to one of the sh%#@t teams in the league.

[NCskinsfanatic]

If we cant beat the Browns who were handled easily by our division foes then we arent going to make much progress on last years 5-11 record. A 1-3 start may put 8-8 in jeopardy.I predicted we would still struggle but win 17-13, i dont know why anyone thought we would win in a blowout. Shoot we may not even win.

[rskinsfan10]

Sean Taylor blew his coverage on that long pass play.

[Santheb]

Wow, way to be positive.

With the way this game is going, there isn't much to be positive about.

[PGiddy18]

THE SEASON IS OVER IF WE DO NOT WIN THIS GAME.

The Redskins suck. Plain and simple, they suck.


Alright boys, there is no need to go THAT far. There are still 7 minutes left to play. Easy on the "OMG WE ARE THE WORST TEAM TO EVER PLAY" bulls**t

[Gump84]

See, that's because we are one of the worst team in the league. We look at the Browns and teams like that as teams we should easily beat when the fact is they look at us the same exact way.

[Santheb]

Good return by Betts. Stick him back there more.

[rskinsfan10]

Betts returns to the 32

[NCskinsfanatic]

Taylors talent doesnt make up for his mental lapses and missed assignments.

[rhummer37]

What are you guys crying about? We have SOO much time, it's crazy.


DEAP BREATHS

[ShaggySkins]

Where is the Taylor Bandwagon at now?????

This is the 2nd game where he has played badly

[funnyperson1]

Good return by Betts

[Gump84]

Maybe you're being overly optimistic. I'm not basing what I said off just this game. I'm basing it off the entire season so far.

[Texas Skin]

We can't lose to the Browns and expect to do anything against the Ravens. Suppitty has a good point this should be a must win and your right Gump why can't we move the ball and score more than freakin' 13?

[RedskinsJunkie]

With the way this game is going, there isn't much to be positive about.


The entire season has been pathetic. I shiver at the thought of Galloway catching that ball in the end zone in week one. He should have caught it too.

[rskinsfan10]

Brunell runs for about 6

2nd and 4

[rskinsfan10]

Incomplete pass

3rd and 4

[ShaggySkins]

Heads up play by Brunell but I don't like how we are not running the ball right now.

[rhummer37]

Where is the Taylor Bandwagon at now?????

This is the 2nd game where he has played badly


Taylor Bandwagon here and accounted for. He is a rookie, playing just below decent in the #3 defense in the league.

What's to be worried about?

[Gump84]

Put Ramsey in. I'd take an interception on the other side of the field over Brunell throwing it away every play.

[funnyperson1]

good footwork from brunell, we need to get Coles or Gardner open

[Santheb]

pass deflected..

[rskinsfan10]

Pass batted down

4th down

[RedskinsJunkie]

Alright boys, there is no need to go THAT far. There are still 7 minutes left to play. Easy on the "OMG WE ARE THE WORST TEAM TO EVER PLAY" bulls**t


Well, it's almost at that point though. He just look horrible.

[Santheb]

PLEASE GET A TURNOVER

[JakeIron]

Yep, now we need to be perfect rest of the way. Still in the game but....

[rhummer37]

Put Ramsey in. I'd take an interception on the other side of the field over Brunell throwing it away every play.

If you saw an open reciever, I'm sure Gibbs would be happy to put you in.

[rskinsfan10]

Suggs for about 7

2nd and 3

[NCskinsfanatic]

Taylor Bandwagon here and accounted for. He is a rookie, playing just below decent in the #3 defense in the league.

What's to be worried about?Put lott back in till taylors ready, i know against the boys he missed a couple of easy tackles....nothing to do with being a rookie. he3's been tackling for a long time, you cant just throw an arm or shoulder out in the NFL to stop your guy.

[ShaggySkins]

Suggs is doing what Portis was suppose to do

[Gump84]

That's funny, usually the good QBs can make something out of nothing. Brunell throws it away 6 or 7 times a game.

[Santheb]

Without the fat contract.

[rskinsfan10]

Suggs for no gain

3rd and 3

[PGiddy18]

Our D needs to stick their guys. A turnover would be awesome at this point. something anything PLEASE!!!

(Matt Bowen's name is one name that I keep hearing over and over again. Is he playing EVERYWHERE?)

[ShaggySkins]

That's funny, usually the good QBs can make something out of nothing. Brunell throws it away 6 or 7 times a game.

Cuz Ramsey is a good qb???

Give me a break!

[rskinsfan10]

TO called by Browns

4:12 remaining

[RedskinsJunkie]

Portis is under 3 yards per carry now. Add that costly turnover, and he's been a liability.

He's now been a major liability in 2 of the 4 games with us.

Can the Redsking organization do anything right? This is becoming embarrassing.

[rhummer37]

Put lott back in till taylors ready, i know against the boys he missed a couple of easy tackles....nothing to do with being a rookie. he3's been tackling for a long time, you cant just throw an arm or shoulder out in the NFL to stop your guy.

Thought you weren't watching the game.

It's more him reading Offenses and knowing how to react than football mechanics.

[NCskinsfanatic]

If we cant stop Suggs then this will be a long season.....Lewis is up next, followed by Thomas annd at this rate we will be 1-5 at our bye week.

[rskinsfan10]

That's funny, usually the good QBs can make something out of nothing. Brunell throws it away 6 or 7 times a game.

Did you not hear the announcer say that Brunell told him that Gibbs specifically told him to not force any passes?

[SonnyandSam]

Lott is injured and wasn't suppose to play....stuck with Taylor

[RedskinsJunkie]

TO called by Browns

4:12 remaining


Why exactly are they helping us by calling timeouts?

[ShaggySkins]

Thought you weren't watching the game.

It's more him reading Offenses and knowing how to react than football mechanics.

He missed about 5 tackles last game trying to deliver the big hit. Its not about Mechanics and he just got beat AGAIN!!!!!

[rskinsfan10]

33yrd pass

1st down

[Gump84]

Ramsey can move the offense. And besides, what is with everyone acting like Ramsey is so horrible? I'm so sick of people acting like he is so awesome when he is doing great but he has a bad game and he is just the worst QB in the history of the Redskins. He's only played in TWENTY-ONE games - and one of them was like 4 minutes against the Dolphins last year. Anyone but Brunell. He's shown nothing all year.

[rhummer37]

W. Harris is one guy I refuse to defend, unacceptable.

[ShaggySkins]

The guy isn't Ronnie Lott, he isn't Roy Williams, and he isn't Ed Reed. He's the result of A LOT of hype who has done NOTHING yet this season and should not be starting over Andre Lott.

[JakeIron]

season coming to an end here

[NCskinsfanatic]

Thought you weren't watching the game.

It's more him reading Offenses and knowing how to react than football mechanics.
Not watching, did see the boys game though, and im not a Taylor hater either. I just feel like if hes costing us on D, then put the guy back in that wasnt. 13-13 would be better than down 4 with no O.

[rskinsfan10]

Suggs for about 3

2nd and 7

[sdredskinsfan]

Redskins are starting a clear pattern. Sucky offense. Stupid penalties. Good defense for the most part, but lapses at critical points.

[rhummer37]

He missed about 5 tackles last game trying to deliver the big hit. Its not about Mechanics and he just got beat AGAIN!!!!!

Correction, W. Harris got beat, thanks for playing.

[RedskinsJunkie]

Ramsey can move the offense. And besides, what is with everyone acting like Ramsey is so horrible? I'm so sick of people acting like he is so awesome when he is doing great but he has a bad game and he is just the worst QB in the history of the Redskins. He's only played in TWENTY-ONE games - and one of them was like 4 minutes against the Dolphins last year. Anyone but Brunell. He's shown nothing all year.


Couldn't agree more.

[Santheb]

Wow. Where is our PASS defense? Do we have none? Or specifically, why the hell can't we cover Andre Davis?

[ShaggySkins]

Everyone is up for calling out Brunell, Portis, Gardner and Coles for not playing. But everyone is silent about calling out Taylor. He has been beaten about 3 or 4 times DEEP for big plays.

[rskinsfan10]

Suggs for little gain

3rd and 7

[sdredskinsfan]

Gibbs has to revamp this offense. At least TRY to throw down field. Of course, he'll have to do that now.

[ShaggySkins]

Correction, W. Harris got beat, thanks for playing.

Taylor was playing over the top. Watch the play again.

[Gump84]

He better not hit 19 in a row.

[rskinsfan10]

Suggs for little gain

4th down

[Santheb]

timeout called.

[Gump84]

Always good to wait 20 seconds and THEN call your last timeout.

[sdredskinsfan]

Not much time. Hope they miss field goal to give good field position. Redskins lousy offense needs all the help they can get.

[rskinsfan10]

Taylor was playing over the top. Watch the play again.

Yes he was

[PGiddy18]

Why would you use a timeout now?!

[ShaggySkins]

Even if he hits were only a score away from tying this up. We need a TD either way.

[SonnyandSam]

Everyone is up for calling out Brunell, Portis, Gardner and Coles for not playing. But everyone is silent about calling out Taylor. He has been beaten about 3 or 4 times DEEP for big plays.

But we are losing games because the offense sucks. The defense is one of the best in the league. Brunell, Portis, Gardner and Coles are NOT PRODUCING. THEY are costing us game after game. THAT is why some of us are so ticked at them....and they are not rookies. I can excuse some rookie mistakes. The other four are supposed to be seasoned professional STARS!

[Santheb]

Trick play? 1st down Browns..

[rskinsfan10]

Fake FG.

Stopped short

[Gump84]

Man was that lucky.

[NCskinsfanatic]

I know this may sound horrible, and believe me I will always pull for our team, but after suffering as a skins fan for the last 12 years why cant we get any better? It doesnt seem to matter who is coaching or what players we add, we shoot ourselves in the foot on O and blow the game late on D. It is unacceptable when almost everyone in our own division says we have the most talent.

[ShaggySkins]

Way to go defense. Now we just need to drive the ball.

[rhummer37]

They got cocky and now they are gonna get burned.


See, our ST aint that bad

[sdredskinsfan]

Not a bad call by Browns. At least they reduced field position for 'skins.

[ShaggySkins]

2 minute drive with only 1 TO

Gardner and Coles have to make plays downfield now.

[rskinsfan10]

Incomplete pass to Gardner

2nd and 10

[Santheb]

Nevermind, thought it was a 1st down for the browns.

[rhummer37]

Bad throw, we better not be throwing deep this early, especially with those results.

[Gump84]

Now they are calling idiotic plays. Why go deep? If you don't get a first down, you lose.

[sdredskinsfan]

OK. Not sure what the heck that was.

[ShaggySkins]

I would have pooch kicked it and really pinned us back if I were Cleveland

[SonnyandSam]

Glad Butch Davis makes a stupid mistake....

[Santheb]

COLES FUMBLED IT

[ShaggySkins]

And that is the game

[rskinsfan10]

Coles catches the ball, then fumbles.

1st down Browns

[Gump84]

Game over. The Redskins officially suck.

[josh90286]

cant challenge cas no TOs

[JakeIron]

Season over,sorry folks but that's how it goes.

[NCskinsfanatic]

Are we worse than last year?

[RedskinsJunkie]

I have to say that this is already turning out to be the most frustrating season in Redskins history, and we still have a long ways to go.

So much expectationa, then this????

Given our schedule, it was thought we could be 4-0 at this point. Truth is that we're lucky we aren't going to be 0-4.

What a miserable season so far.

Sorry fols, but at this point, I give Gibbs a C- grade. He just hasn't impressed me much at all this time around.

If it were another coach in charge right now, and we played like this, the fans would want the coache's head on a platter.

[rskinsfan10]

Coles didn't have possesion, but we can't challenge.

[Redskin006]

how the f@@@ can a team make so many god d### mistakes. what the hell.

[sdredskinsfan]

They suck. And yes I'm still a fan (to all of you "diehard" fans who think if you criticize a sucky team that you are automatically a bandwagoner).

[Santheb]

Thanks Daniel Snyder, Joe Gibbs and all you Redskins. You got me all fired up for a great season and here we are, 1-2 and losing to the Browns. I'm gonna go cry.

[sdredskinsfan]

OK Conrad(prince of tides)Country.........now you can go even more crazy with your fantasy trade/draft scenarios to keep our minds off the pathetic play.

[Redskin006]

we might be able to challenge because its less than 2 minutes left. they were debating if a booth review could happen.

[rskinsfan10]

Browns kneeling down

[SonnyandSam]

Gibbs does need to be held accountable. This team should have been at least 3-1 at this point in the season. Williams defense has delivered in every single game. The offense has fumbled, made critical penalities, failed to produce a running game or a passing game. This IS unacceptable with the offensive talent this team has.

Hell, even Spurrier would have produced more wins at this stage.

Sad....very sad....

[ShaggySkins]

So much for learning from our mistakes of last game

[guinness4health]

this sucks 1-3.... damn

[suppitty]

And the legend who comes back to resurect a franchise loses 2 games for us single-handedly. This is a nightmare. Portis can't run, brunell can't throw, and we cant win.

[rhummer37]

What I am not happy about is why on earth was G. Williams allowed to call a time out with 2:45 left?

Doesn't make any sense.

[funnyperson1]

Mark Brunell sucks.

[PennSkinsFan]

Gibbs does need to be held accountable. This team should have been at least 3-1 at this point in the season. Williams defense has delivered in every single game. The offense has fumbled, made critical penalities, failed to produce a running game or a passing game. This IS unacceptable with the offensive talent this team has.

Hell, even Spurrier would have produced more wins at this stage.

Sad....very sad....

Wow, this was just horrible, I don't think I have seen so many critical errors week to weeik. It is so funny, we all vcalled on Gibbs when Turner was here, When Schotty was here, when Spurrier was here, yet the mistake prone football still exists and Joe Gibbs is here. Go figure. I am truly disgusted right now, just plain disgusted.

Gibbs needs to light a fire by making a major, major, major shakeup.

[RedskinsJunkie]

Gibbs does need to be held accountable. This team should have been at least 3-1 at this point in the season. Williams defense has delivered in every single game. The offense has fumbled, made critical penalities, failed to produce a running game or a passing game. This IS unacceptable with the offensive talent this team has.

Hell, even Spurrier would have produced more wins at this stage.

Sad....very sad....


I couldn't agree more. Gibbs MUST be held accountable. This team has just been pathetic. NO EXCUSES.

Right about now, I could care less how many rings Gibbs has, he's failing us now.

Then I go back and think about the Brunell contract we are stuck with....WTF!!!!!!!! :cry:

[wewantdallas]

Paging Dr. Redskins....once again we are the team that everyone gets healthy on. The names change, the players change, the coaches change, the results never seem to change. We stink.

I love this team so much, and I can't remember ever being more dejected at the state of the Redskins. They absolutely stink. It's one thing if they were just being beaten senseless by these teams. They're losing games they have no business losing. This Browns team is abysmal.

Then again, I've said this the last three weeks when I thought we were losing to inferior teams. Maybe we are just utterly inferior to just about everyone.

Sorry for all the negativity. I'm just so frustrated right now. It's been year after year of this garbage.

[SonnyandSam]

The Giants beat Green Bay and we lose to the Brownies.

Should we start debating who we get to pick with the first pick in this year's draft?

Sigh......

[rhummer37]

And the legend who comes back to resurect a franchise loses 2 games for us single-handedly. This is a nightmare. Portis can't run, brunell can't throw, and we cant win.

That is so much bull shit and I'm tired of hearing it.

Did Gibbs fumble the balls, throw the short passes on 3rd, overthrow every other time?

Is he missing his blocks?

Maybe I'm missing something

[sdredskinsfan]

Gibbs does need to be held accountable. This team should have been at least 3-1 at this point in the season. Williams defense has delivered in every single game. The offense has fumbled, made critical penalities, failed to produce a running game or a passing game. This IS unacceptable with the offensive talent this team has.
Hell, even Spurrier would have produced more wins at this stage.

Sad....very sad....

I think we need to face the fact that they are not an overly talented bunch. Gardner is Ok. Coles is overrated. Brunell is decent, but not great. Offensive line is decent. If they actually practice the same system...that is not a spurrier system for a couple of years they might become a smidgeon above mediocre. I think we just need to load up on defense even more come draft/free agency and shoot for winning by 7 or fewer points.

[kardiac]

Please don't talk to me anymore about how the "defense" keeps us in the game or how many weapons the offense has. This team still needs to work on the basics. ARRGH, this game should of been a win!

[JakeIron]

I don't know what to say... 1-3.... very sad, luckily it's just football.

[Monk81]

we may be the worst team in the league. we are pathetic I think we get worse each week instead of better.

I think it's time for Ramsey to take over we are 1-3 with Brunell and our west coast offense let's get Ramsey ready for next season.

I also am ready to sit Portis if he can't hold on to the ball. Coles as well all the sh** people talk about Rod Coles sucks worse

[NCskinsfanatic]

Something needs to happen, it just doesnt matter who our coach is if we dont kill ourselves then the refs do it for us. This season will continue like this and what concerns me even more is that Joe may not be so sure about honoring his 5 year contract if /when we finish as cellar dwellers behind less talented teams. The O line doesnt block that well, Portis is a good(not great) back that is obviously not the best option for this O and our Wrs cant hold onto/catch the damn ball. How exactly is this suppose to get better? I love Coles but his toughness is probably costing us more than helping us this year.

[Sonoma]

Hopefully Gibbs will take a look at Ramsey this week. Brunell just can not throw the ball downfield, which causes the D to play close to the line of scrimmage so Portis does not get much room.

Ramsey will at least throw the ball downfield and open up the offense.

[Redskin006]

gibbs calls some sh33y plays. i mean this offensive system does not work in todays nfl. i am gonna have to take so much sh!t all week and for the rest of the year from all of my friends. d@mn. :cry:

[suppitty]

Another sunday afternoon ruined.

[SonnyandSam]

Wow, this was just horrible, I don't think I have seen so many critical errors week to weeik. It is so funny, we all vcalled on Gibbs when Turner was here, When Schotty was here, when Spurrier was here, yet the mistake prone football still exists and Joe Gibbs is here. Go figure. I am truly disgusted right now, just plain disgusted.

Gibbs needs to light a fire by making a major, major, major shakeup.

YES....and Ramsey should start. Jacobs and McCants need to be given more playing time. I think I would still stay with Portis because it is the offensive line that sucks right now.

[sdredskinsfan]

this sucks 1-3.... damn

Just think. It could get a lot worse.

[Redskin006]

one fact i want to point out is that favre and the packers are also 1-3.

[Gump84]

He's responsible for horrible clock management and he isn't calling the right plays. And if the team is playing poorly, he's responsible for the personel in the game as well. It IS Gibbs fault.

[RedskinsJunkie]

The Giants beat Green Bay and we lose to the Brownies.

Should we start debating who we get to pick with the first pick in this year's draft?

Sigh......


Have we traded that pick away already? Would fit in perfectly with how I feel right now.

[sdredskinsfan]

YES....and Ramsey should start. Jacobs and McCants need to be given more playing time. I think I would still stay with Portis because it is the offensive line that sucks right now.


Thanks for giving me something to laugh about.

[Monk81]

ooh and I forgot Sean Taylor sucks to think we could have Roy Williams or Udeze to mention a few

[sammy]

one fact i want to point out is that favre and the packers are also 1-3.
And the Giants are 3-1

[RedskinsJunkie]

The most frustrating part is that we have the talent.

We are being mismanaged to death!!!!!

[guinness4health]

man the offense is taking a long time to click... you see glemnses but nothing consistant...
i still think this team could be good... i am just not sure when this offense is going to set-in and everyone is going to show up on the same page... i need to see some more out of this offensive line... when need some power running and i am just not seeing it happen on a sustained basis... until that happens we are going to struggle to win games

[SonnyandSam]

That is so much bull shit and I'm tired of hearing it.

Did Gibbs fumble the balls, throw the short passes on 3rd, overthrow every other time?

Is he missing his blocks?

Maybe I'm missing something

You are. Gibbs is doing the play calling. It is HIS offensive system. Gibbs is choosing who is on the field and playing. So yeah, he is very very responsible for how poorly this offense is performing. He chose those players and he tells them what play to use.

[sdredskinsfan]

He's responsible for horrible clock management and he isn't calling the right plays. And if the team is playing poorly, he's responsible for the personel in the game as well. It IS Gibbs fault.

Yep, he shoulders a lot of the blame. But I think the same mistake lots of us fans repeatedly make is assuming we all this talent on the offensive side of the ball. I just don't think we're that talented. Even if Gibbs has them playing error-free football we will be lucky to go 9-7 (not this year of course, but in near future years).

[jporterweb]

That is so much bull shit and I'm tired of hearing it.

Did Gibbs fumble the balls, throw the short passes on 3rd, overthrow every other time?

Is he missing his blocks?

Maybe I'm missing something


No but what Gibbs did do is once again wasted or allowed all the timeouts in this game to be wasted. I said it last week and I said it again. In the third quarter of a close game, take the 5 yard penalty. It's alot less of an obstacle then no timeouts left so no ability to challenge. Now as for the short passes on 3rd. Yes, that's what Gibbs has told Brunell to do. Second, that's what every QB in the league does if there is nothing over. Don't get me wrong, I love Joe Gibbs, but I don't believe he is anywhere close to the top of his game. Nor do I believe he will reach that point by the end of the season. Our major offensive problem is the lack of accurate QB who can throw it deep. Brunell throws it deep but he throws it about a mile in the air. That doesn't help. I think Gibbs needs to shake it up a little. Put Ramsey in. See what he can do in the game. What the hell is it going to hurt?

[sdredskinsfan]

You are. Gibbs is doing the play calling. It is HIS offensive system. Gibbs is choosing who is on the field and playing. So yeah, he is very very responsible for how poorly this offense is performing. He chose those players and he tells them what play to use.

I really think that the personnel dept. as a whole has sucked for the last 10+ years.

[KingButz]

We just lost to a team quarterbacked by someone that -- by all accounts -- doesn't even know his own offense.

Our offense is pathetic. I didn't like how Brunell played last week and I didn't like how he played this week. I'm sure Ramsey could produce multiple 0-3 drives. The point with Brunell was he was consistent and not mistake-prone.

The drives we did have were dink-and-dunk. We shouldn't be driving like that anyway. Portis came to us with an air of invincibility and now I bet there's not a team out there that fears playing against him.

[RedskinsJunkie]

You are. Gibbs is doing the play calling. It is HIS offensive system. Gibbs is choosing who is on the field and playing. So yeah, he is very very responsible for how poorly this offense is performing. He chose those players and he tells them what play to use.


And Gibbs is also responsible for Mark Brunell and his HORRENDOUS contract... :cry:

[JakeIron]

The only positive thing right now is that it looks will receive another high draft pick. We need a franchise QB

[SonnyandSam]

Ramsey cannot do much worse than Brunell has done. We're 1-3 with absolutely no passing threat to stretch the defense.

[sdredskinsfan]

No but what Gibbs did do is once again wasted or allowed all the timeouts in this game to be wasted. I said it last week and I said it again. In the third quarter of a close game, take the 5 yard penalty. It's alot less of an obstacle then no timeouts left so no ability to challenge. Now as for the short passes on 3rd. Yes, that's what Gibbs has told Brunell to do. Second, that's what every QB in the league does if there is nothing over. Don't get me wrong, I love Joe Gibbs, but I don't believe he is anywhere close to the top of his game. Nor do I believe he will reach that point by the end of the season. Our major offensive problem is the lack of accurate QB who can throw it deep. Brunell throws it deep but he throws it about a mile in the air. That doesn't help. I think Gibbs needs to shake it up a little. Put Ramsey in. See what he can do in the game. What the hell is it going to hurt?


Keep me laughing. This is good. Ramsey is the answer. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

[sdredskinsfan]

Ramsey cannot do much worse than Brunell has done. We're 1-3 with absolutely no passing threat to stretch the defense.

Now we can see more interceptions and sacks. At least it'll make it more exciting.

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

Taylor was playing over the top. Watch the play again.
Walt Harris was beat. He didn't get a bump on the WR..which is why Taylor
couldn't get there in time.

[NCskinsfanatic]

man the offense is taking a long time to click... you see glemnses but nothing consistant...
i still think this team could be good... i am just not sure when this offense is going to set-in and everyone is going to show up on the same page... i need to see some more out of this offensive line... when need some power running and i am just not seeing it happen on a sustained basis... until that happens we are going to struggle to win games

We dont have a power runner so I doubt youll ever see this Power running game that Gibbs is fond of take off. I said we would finish 9-7 this season but Joe will struggle to match SS's 1st year record of 7-9 after this 1-3 start. Think about it, we would have to go 6-6 from here on out against teams better than the ones we lost to in some cases....who thinks thats even possible? Show of hands........ :rolleyes: ?

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

Now we can see more interceptions and sacks. At least it'll make it more exciting.
Perhaps..but we might see more points as well.

[RedskinsJunkie]

Keep me laughing. This is good. Ramsey is the answer. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

And Brunell is??????

You keep us laughing.

[sdredskinsfan]

The only positive thing right now is that it looks will receive another high draft pick. We need a franchise QB

First we need a personnel dept. I don't know about you but I have not trusted out personnel dept. for the last several years. The reason we plunge into free agency all the time is that the personnel dept. seems to know that it can not rely upon itself to evaluate college talent.

[RedskinsJunkie]

Now we can see more interceptions and sacks. At least it'll make it more exciting.


At least he can throw the ball with some accuracy over 5 yards long.

[IndianBaller27]

Hey I missed the whole fourth quarter and about half of the third. Can someone please fill me in? I know we lost 17-13 but I have no idea what happened.

[sdredskinsfan]

And Brunell is??????

You keep us laughing.

He's all we have right now. At least we'll stay close. But, as I said, put in Ramsey and it'll be more exciting. And..........I guess we'll get a higher draft pick. O.K. you've won me over.

[jporterweb]

Keep me laughing. This is good. Ramsey is the answer. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

I never said that. I just said it isn't going to hurt to see what the kid can do. Everyone seems to forget Brady over Bledsoe, Holcomb over Couch, Bulger over Warner. All second guys that stood up when called upon and played really well for their respective teams. Two of which are now starters for those same teams. I'm sick of everybody being so harsh of Ramsey. I haven't seen him start a game for Joe Gibbs. I know he doesn't practice much if at all with the first team. So I can't expect him to come out against the Giants and be right on the mark.

[Gump84]

Ramsey has thrown more TDs than interceptions in his short career. He has barely played over a full season's worth of games. Why exactly is he a laughing matter again?

[sdredskinsfan]

Hey I missed the whole fourth quarter and about half of the third. Can someone please fill me in? I know we lost 17-13 but I have no idea what happened.

Now that's the anti-depressant I'm talking about.

[RedskinsJunkie]

He's all we have right now. At least we'll stay close. But, as I said, put in Ramsey and it'll be more exciting. And..........I guess we'll get a higher draft pick. O.K. you've won me over.


Ramsey was not all that bad last year. He was actually pretty darn good considering he was getting beat up.

He was far superior last year than Brunell is this year.

[IndianBaller27]

We were capable of winning all of those games. That stupid b**ch in the booth upstairs telling what Gibbs should challenged should defenately be fired!!

[jporterweb]

We were capable of winning all of those games. That stupid b**ch in the booth upstairs telling what Gibbs should challenged should defenately be fired!!


Gibbs said that that guy told him last week that it was close and probably this week as well. And that Gibbs at that point challenged with his heart. It's Gibbs fault and he admitted it.

[sdredskinsfan]

Ramsey has thrown more TDs than interceptions in his short career. He has barely played over a full season's worth of games. Why exactly is he a laughing matter again?

Are we talking about Patrick Ramsey? The poor decision-maker, sack luvin, errors at critical times guy?

By the way, I don't think either Brunell or Ramsey is "the answer". They have too many problems on offense to quibble over who is the lesser of the two evils.

[SonnyandSam]

Ramsey's QB rating last year was far better than Brunell has been so far this year.

[RedskinsJunkie]

We were capable of winning all of those games. That stupid b**ch in the booth upstairs telling what Gibbs should challenged should defenately be fired!!


This also points directly to Gibbs. Whether people want to admit it or not.

[ConradCountry]

You always hate to have a former player come back o huant you but this guy is a stud and it hurts that he is not wearing a Redskins uniform anymore because he was all over the field and in on every play.

[IndianBaller27]

I never said that. I just said it isn't going to hurt to see what the kid can do. Everyone seems to forget Brady over Bledsoe, Holcomb over Couch, Bulger over Warner. All second guys that stood up when called upon and played really well for their respective teams. Two of which are now starters for those same teams. I'm sick of everybody being so harsh of Ramsey. I haven't seen him start a game for Joe Gibbs. I know he doesn't practice much if at all with the first team. So I can't expect him to come out against the Giants and be right on the mark.
But that was when the starter got injured.... Mark hasn't gotten injured yet. Well only for one half of a game.

[jporterweb]

Are we talking about Patrick Ramsey? The poor decision-maker, sack luvin, errors at critical times guy?

By the way, I don't think either Brunell or Ramsey is "the answer". They have too many problems on offense to quibble over who is the lesser of the two evils.


Ramsey played where he was hit on the second step of his three step drop. This crap that he held onto the ball to long all the time, well damn he musta had to call hut and throw it on step number 1. We don't know what kinda player he can be in this offense behind this line. Give the kid a little bit of credit before you all just blast him as horrible.

[Jimreaper007]

I have seen enough of Mark Brunell to recognize he has nothing on his passes. I would rather take my chances with Patrick Ramsey making mistakes trying to win the game, than Brunell throwing every other pass away because he no longer trusts his own arm.

[RedskinsJunkie]

Ramsey's QB rating last year was far better than Brunell has been so far this year.


What ruined Ramsey was the inexcusable Brunell signing. Gibbs should have came in, and said Ramsey is the guy for the future.


Instead we seriously overpay for a washed up Brunell, and ruin Ramsey's confidence in the process.

Typical Redkins if you ask me. We have been nothing but a joke for a decade now.

[JakeIron]

The fact is Brunell is 1-3 as a starter. We have to give ramsey a chance. Must do something to turn the season around. How many plays of 20 or more yards do we have, not many.

[ShaggySkins]

Bulger, Brady and Holcolmb were all unknowns at that point. Ramsey has started, teams know how to scout him and play him. He doesn't have that going for him like the others did. Also he hasn't proven that he would be any sort of upgrade whatsoever.

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

He's all we have right now. At least we'll stay close. But, as I said, put in Ramsey and it'll be more exciting. And..........I guess we'll get a higher draft pick. O.K. you've won me over.

And our draft pick won't be high with Brunell in the game?!!!

[jporterweb]

But that was when the starter got injured.... Mark hasn't gotten injured yet. Well only for one half of a game.

So what? There have been times when players have been benched in favor of the second guy in the past and they don't play anymore. Although I can't recall names at the moment.

[inevitable]

Yeah, especially the play where he let Brunell dodge him :rolleyes:

Lang isn't bad, but he was getting blocked by a tight end sometimes, and he got lucky on the tip.

He's no more of a stud then Ron Warner bull rushing that OT to sack Garcia on the first play of the game, let's be realistic, Lang is no Rucker or Peppers.

[Gump84]

What I do know about Ramsey is against the Giants, his turnovers led to ZERO points and he actually moved the offense down the field effectively. Brunell had turnovers that resulted in the Giants scoring and couldn't move the offense AT ALL.

[sdredskinsfan]

Brunell made a very nice throw to Coles for a 45 yd. gain. He has the arm strength to go along with his accuracy. Brunell is clearly a LOT more accurate than Ramsey. Check the career stats. Go ahead. The question is not whether we should put Ramsey in there (unless you want to guarantee a high draft pick); the question is whether Gibbs is going to actually attack downfield with the ball amongst a bunch of other questions.

[jporterweb]

Also he hasn't proven that he would be any sort of upgrade whatsoever.

When was he given the chance to prove that? One half when he hasn't practiced with the first team? Yea that's real nice.

[IndianBaller27]

ok... Time for me to say... Too late, can't do anything.... Get over it.

[RedskinsJunkie]

The fact is Brunell is 1-3 as a starter. We have to give ramsey a chance. Must do something to turn the season around. How many plays of 20 or more yards do we have, not many.


Even worse than the 1-3 record, is that we simply cannot move the ball with Brunell.

[RedskinsJunkie]

ok... Time for me to say... Too late, can't do anything.... Get over it.


That's been the theme for 11 years now.

[sdredskinsfan]

What I do know about Ramsey is against the Giants, his turnovers led to ZERO points and he actually moved the offense down the field effectively. Brunell had turnovers that resulted in the Giants scoring and couldn't move the offense AT ALL.

Ok. That's a ridiculous point. He threw away points. We were in chip-shot field goal territory and he threw one of his dumb interceptions. I'd still take Gibbs over this decision-making process of yours any day.

[ConradCountry]

Yeah, especially the play where he let Brunell dodge him :rolleyes:

Lang isn't bad, but he was getting blocked by a tight end sometimes, and he got lucky on the tip.

He's no more of a stud then Ron Warner bull rushing that OT to sack Garcia on the first play of the game, let's be realistic, Lang is no Rucker or Peppers.

He was involved in a number of run plays and applied very good pressure on Brunell despite the back chipping on him. Lang looks like a top 10 end this season.

[ShaggySkins]

When was he given the chance to prove that? One half when he hasn't practiced with the first team? Yea that's real nice.

Preseason and all of last season when he started

[sdredskinsfan]

Even worse than the 1-3 record, is that we simply cannot move the ball with Brunell.

I know. Pretty sad.

[RedskinsJunkie]

Brunell made a very nice throw to Coles for a 45 yd. gain. He has the arm strength to go along with his accuracy. Brunell is clearly a LOT more accurate than Ramsey. Check the career stats. Go ahead. The question is not whether we should put Ramsey in there (unless you want to guarantee a high draft pick); the question is whether Gibbs is going to actually attack downfield with the ball amongst a bunch of other questions.


Checking the career stats is useless. Brunell wasn't old and washed up in '97.

Ramsey was a good solid QB last year, who showed us alot of potential.

Redskins management has done their best to squash that promise.

[rskinsfan10]

What I do know about Ramsey is against the Giants, his turnovers led to ZERO points and he actually moved the offense down the field effectively. Brunell had turnovers that resulted in the Giants scoring and couldn't move the offense AT ALL.

Why are we still talking about the Giants game?

You are right, Ramsey's turnovers didn't lead to any points. Any points by us.

And for the umpteenth time, please stop saying that Brunell didn't move the ball against the Giants. It is so far from the truth, it's bordering on being ridiculous.