Official Redskins-Browns Game Discussion Thread

[RedskinsJunkie]

Preseason and all of last season when he started


And what exactly was so bad about him last year???

Remember that he was playing well despite a carppy OL>

[Gump84]

Ok, ok, you're right. Brunell moved the ball the very first drive of the game. Oh yeah, and I'm still talking about the Giants game because that is the only game Ramsey played in this year, and we're talking about Ramsey right now. Isn't that strange?

[ShaggySkins]

And what exactly was so bad about him last year???

Remember that he was playing well despite a carppy OL>

5-11 was what was bad about last season. He had one of the lower completion percentages in the league. And the OL isn't looking much better this season.

[inevitable]

Our d-line had some sacks, that was a plus.

[sdredskinsfan]

Preseason and all of last season when he started

And don't forget when he started the last few games of two seasons ago. Again, he needs work on his touch passes and important decisions (like when to throw the ball away): a couple of mildly important QB traits.

[WRSK1NS]

we may be the worst team in the league. we are pathetic I think we get worse each week instead of better.

I think it's time for Ramsey to take over we are 1-3 with Brunell and our west coast offense let's get Ramsey ready for next season.

I also am ready to sit Portis if he can't hold on to the ball. Coles as well all the sh** people talk about Rod Coles sucks worse
I dont think they suck but I do agree they need to be Benched. Portis wanted the money and he got it. Now is his time to start earning it. Coles is supposed to be the go to guy yet in the last two games he has let us down. I really think they should sit those two next week.

[sdredskinsfan]

Ok, ok, you're right. Brunell moved the ball the very first drive of the game. Oh yeah, and I'm still talking about the Giants game because that is the only game Ramsey played in this year, and we're talking about Ramsey right now. Isn't that strange?

Who on this thread brought up Ramsey? I know I sure didn't.

[sdredskinsfan]

Our d-line had some sacks, that was a plus.

Yeah, I will settle for continued d-play for this season and future seasons and winning games by narrow margins. Beats suckin it up.

[rskinsfan10]

Ok, ok, you're right. Brunell moved the ball the very first drive of the game. Oh yeah, and I'm still talking about the Giants game because that is the only game Ramsey played in this year, and we're talking about Ramsey right now. Isn't that strange?

Did you miss the drive when Hall missed the FG? I guess so.

Did you miss the drive when he got hurt, where the team started on it's own 18? I guess so?

It is strange that some of you are championing a guy who when given the chance, squandered away each of those chances. Point blank.

I've never seen a person get credit and accolades for throwing 3 INTs in his last performance, but that is exactly what is happening here.

[IndianBaller27]

I can't wait until next season when Jansen comes back. No don't get me wrong! I'm not giving up on this season just cuz of a couple games. I'm not like that. But Jansen was/is a leader on the team. And I can't wait till LaVar comes back. He is the heart of the defense.

[sdredskinsfan]

I dont think they suck but I do agree they need to be Benched. Portis wanted the money and he got it. Now is his time to start earning it. Coles is supposed to be the go to guy yet in the last two games he has let us down. I really think they should sit those two next week.

I sure hope Coles is doing poorly because of his toe. In fact, he has been worth a lot less than his contract since he injured his toe LAST year. If it becomes clear over the next 5 or so games that the 'skins will fail to make the playoffs yet again then Coles needs to be put on IR and this time he had better opt for surgery. Plus, having him on IR will allow Jacobs and McCants to demonstrate whether we should keep em around beyond this year.

[jporterweb]

Who on this thread brought up Ramsey? I know I sure didn't.

Someone said we need a shakeup.....That was one of the shakeups.

[ShaggySkins]

Matt Leinart here we come!!!!!!

[sdredskinsfan]

Did you miss the drive when Hall missed the FG? I guess so.

Did you miss the drive when he got hurt, where the team started on it's own 18? I guess so?

It is strange that some of you are championing a guy who when given the chance, squandered away each of those chances. Point blank.

I've never seen a person get credit and accolades for throwing 3 INTs in his last performance, but that is exactly what is happening here.

I'm with ya. I think the Ramsey contingent is so enamored with his arm strength and feeling so desperate that they have selective amnesia.

[SkinsDominate]

Last place and a losing record! Somethings just doesnt change. Someone please tell me why or whos fault it is that we are not throwing the ball past 10 yards. It seems every pass play is 6 or 7 yard play. Only time we throw it down field is when we are behind.

[sdredskinsfan]

Someone said we need a shakeup.....That was one of the shakeups.

You mean to respond to the post I responded to. Otherwise, this doesn't make sense. But I don't care. :Peace:

[wewantdallas]

I can't wait until next season when Jansen comes back. No don't get me wrong! I'm not giving up on this season just cuz of a couple games. I'm not like that. But Jansen was/is a leader on the team. And I can't wait till LaVar comes back. He is the heart of the defense.

Jansen's been here a long time, and we've still sucked. Lavar's rarely missed a game, and we've still sucked. Whatever it is that's wrong with this team goes beyond who's out on the field. Like I said, it doesn't seem to matter who's wearing the jersey. We've stunk up the division for almost every year for the last 12. I have no idea what the answer is, and I have no idea what the problem is.

All these guys do every year is say the same old things with the same old results. "We need to learn from this," "We have to come together as a team," "We need to put together four consistent quarters." I just can't take it anymore. All talk, zero action.

[Gump84]

Did you miss the drive when Hall missed the FG? I guess so.

Did you miss the drive when he got hurt, where the team started on it's own 18? I guess so?

It is strange that some of you are championing a guy who when given the chance, squandered away each of those chances. Point blank.

I've never seen a person get credit and accolades for throwing 3 INTs in his last performance, but that is exactly what is happening here.


Giants game:

Brunell in the game:

1st possession: Redskins go 53 yards - touchdown
2nd possession: Redskins go 4 yards - punt
3rd possession: Redskins go 7 yards - Brunell fumbles which directly leads to a Giants TD.
4th possession: Redskins go 8 yards - punt
5th possession: Redskins go 9 yards - Portis fumbles
6th possession: Redskins go 21 yards - Interception thrown by Brunell
7th possession: Redskins go 1 yard - punt
8th possession: Redskins go 22 yards - Hall misses a field goal
9th possession: Redskins go 60 yards - Portis ends up fumbling and Brunell was hurt on this drive

Ramsey:

10th possession - Redskins go 19 yards - punt
11th possession - Redskins go 56 yards - interception by Ramsey
12th possession - Redskins go 51 yards - touchdown
13th possession - Redskins go 30 yards - interception by Ramsey
14th possession - Redskins go 23 yards - interception by Ramsey
Last possession - Redskins go 6 yards


Case in point: Ramsey moved the ball better than Brunell, who barely moved it at all.

[sdredskinsfan]

Last place and a losing record! Somethings just doesnt change. Someone please tell me why or whos fault it is that we are not throwing the ball past 10 yards. It seems every pass play is 6 or 7 yard play. Only time we throw it down field is when we are behind.

It is very weird. One possible reason is that Gibbs is keeping everyone back to pass protect and with only a couple of receivers down the field our options are limited. Also, I suspect Coles is just average with his hurt toe. And Gardner........well........he's just a tad inconsistent. Just a tad.

[rskinsfan10]

Giants game:

Brunell in the game:

1st possession: Redskins go 53 yards - touchdown
2nd possession: Redskins go 4 yards - punt
3rd possession: Redskins go 7 yards - Brunell fumbles which directly leads to a Giants TD.
4th possession: Redskins go 8 yards - punt
5th possession: Redskins go 9 yards - Portis fumbles
6th possession: Redskins go 21 yards - Interception thrown by Brunell
7th possession: Redskins go 1 yard - punt
8th possession: Redskins go 22 yards - Hall misses a field goal
9th possession: Redskins go 60 yards - Portis ends up fumbling and Brunell was hurt on this drive

Ramsey:

10th possession - Redskins go 19 yards - punt
11th possession - Redskins go 56 yards - interception by Ramsey
12th possession - Redskins go 51 yards - touchdown
13th possession - Redskins go 30 yards - interception by Ramsey
14th possession - Redskins go 23 yards - interception by Ramsey
Last possession - Redskins go 6 yards


Case in point: Ramsey moved the ball better than Brunell, who barely moved it at all.
What in that says that Ramsey moved the ball better? He depended on Gardner to make a circus catch on one play. What else did he do?

[Gump84]

Or if you'd like me to add it up for you, Brunell moved the ball as far in 9 drives as Ramsey did in 6 - exactly as far. Every QB has a bad game every once in a while. I guarantee you Ramsey has had more good games than bad games. Go look it up. Stop crucifying him for one bad game when he hasn't even been practicing. He at least deserves to be given a legitimate shot, because Brunell just isn't doing it for the team.

[rskinsfan10]

Or if you'd like me to add it up for you, Brunell moved the ball as far in 9 drives as Ramsey did in 6 - exactly as far. Every QB has a bad game every once in a while. I guarantee you Ramsey has had more good games than bad games. Go look it up. Stop crucifying him for one bad game when he hasn't even been practicing. He at least deserves to be given a legitimate shot, because Brunell just isn't doing it for the team.

One bad game?

No, you need to go look it up, not me. You saying that he had one bad game tells me all that I need to know about this debate.

[Gump84]

Right, because Gardner's catch wasn't considered part of Ramsey's drives. I forgot sorry. Also, let's take into consideration that Brunell couldn't have made that throw to save his life. I'm not saying Ramsey is any long term answer, but he sure as hell is better than Brunell. Go ahead and see how Brunell does against the Ravens next week. I'm not sure if he will survive the game.

[rskinsfan10]

Ramsey turned the ball over more in less drives then Brunell.

Did you catch that one too?

[sdredskinsfan]

Or if you'd like me to add it up for you, Brunell moved the ball as far in 9 drives as Ramsey did in 6 - exactly as far. Every QB has a bad game every once in a while. I guarantee you Ramsey has had more good games than bad games. Go look it up. Stop crucifying him for one bad game when he hasn't even been practicing. He at least deserves to be given a legitimate shot, because Brunell just isn't doing it for the team.

Are you Ramsey's agent or somethin? I'm not sure if you are supporting him this much because you feel so desperate after watching the 'skins suck yet again. Hasn't had a legitimate shot? Giants game? Pre-season? A season and a half before that? Please don't just blame Spurrier's schemes. He made tons of errors all by himself, just as he did in pre-season and against the Giants.

[Gump84]

You're not worth debating against. Obviously he's had more than one bad game. All quarterbacks have had numerous bad games. I said Ramsey has had more good games than bad games, which is most definitely true.

Bad games: 2002 - New Orleans - 1 TD to 4 interceptions (3 in 1st quarter). This was his first start ever.
2003 - None really
2004 - New York Giants - 1 TD to 3 interceptions.

Go look the stats up yourself.

[rskinsfan10]

You're not worth debating against. Obviously he's had more than one bad game. All quarterbacks have had numerous bad games. I said Ramsey has had more good games than bad games, which is most definitely true.

Bad games: 2002 - New Orleans - 1 TD to 4 interceptions (3 in 1st quarter). This was his first start ever.
2003 - None really
2004 - New York Giants - 1 TD to 3 interceptions.

Go look the stats up yourself.

No, you are the one that's not worth debating. If you don't want people to discuss a point that YOU rasied, then don't raise it.

Stop crucifying him for one bad game

You said that, no one else.

[NCskinsfanatic]

Funny how anyone could think with all the mistakes we are making, that a less mobile, strong armed QB with no idea where to throw the ball would actually help us win games.

[Gump84]

Ok, so if he had thrown 3 TDs and only 1 interception against the Giants, and they had won, would you be acting like he is the worst QB in the NFL? I'm really curious about that. Did you think before this season that he was a good QB and had value on the market in case we wanted to trade him? I guess not, right? He hasn't even been given a chance this year.

Let me guess - you've always thought he was a bad QB after his first two seasons. Or are you skeptical because of ONE BAD GAME? That's what I thought.

[NCskinsfanatic]

Hey Kenny atleast our Braves havent bowed out early in the playoffs....oh thats right they havent started yet, darn!

[NCskinsfanatic]

Ok, so if he had thrown 3 TDs and only 1 interception against the Giants, and they had won, would you be acting like he is the worst QB in the NFL? I'm really curious about that. Did you think before this season that he was a good QB and had value on the market in case we wanted to trade him? I guess not, right? He hasn't even been given a chance this year.

Let me guess - you've always thought he was a bad QB after his first two seasons. Or are you skeptical because of ONE BAD GAME? That's what I thought.I like ramsey, it's the only jersey i own. But he did not show a true nderstanding of this O in pre-season oragainst the g-men. He needs to continue to learn the O this year and be ready should Mark go down. If he is the better QB then he'll win the job in the offseason. He will not save our team this year, too many problems with our lines run blocking, Wrs dropping balls and Portis not holding on to it.

[rskinsfan10]

Ok, so if he had thrown 3 TDs and only 1 interception against the Giants, and they had won, would you be acting like he is the worst QB in the NFL? I'm really curious about that. Did you think before this season that he was a good QB and had value on the market in case we wanted to trade him? I guess not, right? He hasn't even been given a chance this year.

Let me guess - you've always thought he was a bad QB after his first two seasons. Or are you skeptical because of ONE BAD GAME? That's what I thought.

Before you act as though you know me, you need to dig into the archives a bit. The things that I criticize him for now, I have always criticized him for. If you don't want to take my word for it, ask hail2skins.

I also am currently wearing a $260 authentic Ramsey jersey as I type this, so I can assure you that my criticisms of him aren't motivated by nothing but his play on the field, which has been inconsistent at best.

Were you away fro the entire preseason? How much more of a chance to win the job could Gibbs have given him?

[Gump84]

I'm not saying Ramsey will save the team this year. Nothing will. It's much better to give him some experience than to have him sit on the bench behind a QB who is undoubtly going to fail anyway.

[rskinsfan10]

Hey Kenny atleast our Braves havent bowed out early in the playoffs....oh thats right they havent started yet, darn!

We're winning it all this year baby!!!

[Gump84]

Are you really surprised that a QB who had only played in 20 games (some of them partial games) in his short NFL career had trouble mastering a complex offensive scheme immediately? Ramsey might end up being nothing, or perhaps he will end up being a great quarterback. I'm not disputing that. I'm just sick of people acting like they know for sure he is nothing after he plays a few bad games. Go look at Brett Farve's stats for his first 21 NFL games. I'm not saying Ramsey is going to be a Brett Farve anytime soon, but their stats over 21 games are remarkably similar.

[NCskinsfanatic]

We're winning it all this year baby!!!I hope so Kenny, i relly do, Lets see Im a skins fan a Braves fan and a Pack fan, thats a whole lotta heartbreak for one man to carry.

[NCskinsfanatic]

I'm not saying Ramsey will save the team this year. Nothing will. It's much better to give him some experience than to have him sit on the bench behind a QB who in undoubtly going to fail anyway.He can learn sitting on the bench, reading and watching, his shaky confidence will not get any better behind this line and the fact that Gibbs is still adjusting to returning to the NFL. Ramsey is suffering from the beating he took under SS and actually seems to have regressed somewhat. Why expose him to another year of TO's, sacks and a media backlash? Let him learn this yer and win the job next. Brunells contract is really a 2 or 3 year deal anyway.

[SkinsDominate]

This will say it all.....Brunell is playing like Trent Dilfer did with Baltimore. He wont win you a game. You just hope he doesnt lose it for you. With Ramsey, sure he will throw the interception but he also has the ability for the big play.