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RoanokeSkin
10-08-2004, 10:10 PM
I consider myself an independent voter, and rarely do I vote strickly with one political party. After watching tonights debate I finally had a chance to sit down and look at Kerry's voting record. Basically, he doesnt have one. The guy has hardly shown up for the last 10 years. Now suddenly I am supposed to expect this guy to do something. I was just interested in getting some opinion from those Kerry supporters out there who might actually defend his lack of voting/attendance for the position in which he was elected.

Spence
10-08-2004, 10:23 PM
I don't know where you're getting this last ten years stuff. Senator Kerry has missed a lot of votes in the last year. Every member of Congress running for a higher office does that. There's no way to be around for all those votes and still campaign and virtually all of those votes are not close, when a single vote would not have changed the outcome.

During the 2000 GOP primaries, Mr Bush spent five times as much time on the road campaigning as he did on the job as governor in Texas. Let me guess: You were outraged about that, too, and concluded no such person was fit for the highest office in the land. Right?

Right?

RoanokeSkin
10-08-2004, 10:27 PM
That is an interesting take, which is why I asked for some opinions on the subject. To be honest, I am not sold on either of these guys. I think they both contradict themselves regularly. On one hand you have Kerry who says we need to get armor and supplies to troops and then proceeds to vote against the bill supporting such actions. On the other you have Bush, who will defend invading Iraq to his grave due to WOMD, even though numerous reports have confirmed there were none.

Spence
10-08-2004, 10:32 PM
On one hand you have Kerry who says we need to get armor and supplies to troops and then proceeds to vote against the bill supporting such actions. On the other you have Bush, who will defend invading Iraq to his grave due to WOMD, even though numerous reports have confirmed there were none.There were two $87 billion bills in Congress. Both provided the same equipment and the same amounts to the troops in Iraq. One was supported by the Democrats, including Senator Kerry. One was supported by the White House and most Republicans. There was one difference between the two bills. The Democratic version would pay for that $87 billion by rolling back Mr Bush's tax cuts for those earning $200K and above. Mr Bush's version paid for that $87 billion by borrowing the money and increasing the budget deficit. Both bills did the same thing, but paid for it a different way. Senator Kerry did not vote against sending $87 billion to our troops in Iraq, he voted against increasing the budget deficit to do it.

If you favor borrowing the money and increasing the budget deficit, then you like Mr Bush's version. If you prefer not to increase the budget deficit, but instead pay for it by rolling back tax cuts for those earning $200K and above, you like Senator Kerry's version.

BRAVEONAWARPATH
10-08-2004, 10:35 PM
That is an interesting take, which is why I asked for some opinions on the subject. To be honest, I am not sold on either of these guys. I think they both contradict themselves regularly. On one hand you have Kerry who says we need to get armor and supplies to troops and then proceeds to vote against the bill supporting such actions. On the other you have Bush, who will defend invading Iraq to his grave due to WOMD, even though numerous reports have confirmed there were none.
In response to your comment about Kerry not voting on that particular bill.
It is not uncommon for senators to vote against a bill on principle alone.
Kerry not voting for the bill was an act of protest against the war itself..not
the troops. He was protesting how Bush went about getting us in this situation. He knew the the bill would pass...it was just a protest.
It's done all the time by many politicians.

RoanokeSkin
10-08-2004, 10:37 PM
Man Spence .. you should work for the Kerry campaign. Your responses are more clear and accurate than anything I have heard from anyone associated with the democratic party. Interesting facts and opinions.

Skinzaholic
10-08-2004, 10:39 PM
Man Spence .. you should work for the Kerry campaign.

Many here think he is secretly on the payroll.

RoanokeSkin
10-08-2004, 10:40 PM
I dont know how secret it would be. He is pretty up front about his opinions.

Spence
10-08-2004, 10:41 PM
On the payroll? I wish! It's the other way around. I give them money.

Skinzaholic
10-08-2004, 10:41 PM
On the payroll? I wish! It's the other way around. I give them money.

Now that doesnt seem fair at all... I will put a call in for you.

Minnesota Mike
10-09-2004, 09:00 AM
One of the guys who is supposed to represent me in the US Senate is Norm Coleman, whom I have taken shots at in the past. And this question gives me an opportunity to take another shot at him.

When he was running for Senate, during the one debate that was held he said "for the past 2 years I have been traveling this state, running for Senate full time, listening to people..." The problem with that was he was supposed to my Mayor for most of that time. So if he was campaigning full time, when exactly was carrying out the job of Mayor.

This is just one example. It happens all the time. And both Edwards and Kerry, (and Dick) will show up for votes that look like they will be close. But most votes aren't close, so it doesn't really make much of a difference.

Chief Seeway
10-09-2004, 02:25 PM
Good thread RoanokeSkin, do any of you guys know where I can find a source showing senate voting records? I googled it, but only came up with some junk.

RoanokeSkin
10-09-2004, 07:38 PM
Good thread RoanokeSkin, do any of you guys know where I can find a source showing senate voting records? I googled it, but only came up with some junk.


I looked up Kerrys on the following site. It appears to be non partisan, as you can search for any representative.

http://www.vote-smart.org/

Jimreaper007
10-09-2004, 09:29 PM
Criticizing Kerry's voting record is no excuse for GW having the House, Senate and Supreme Court and doing nothing over the last four years.


What is the Bush excuse for the lack of Jobs, crappy economy and goat f*ck in Iraq.

Try as he might, can't blame that on Kerry

Spence
10-09-2004, 11:11 PM
If something bad happened and it can't be blamed on Kerry then it must be blamed on Clinton's penis. You'd know that, JimReaper, if you weren't so busy hating America.

Why do you hate America?!?

Jimreaper007
10-10-2004, 05:59 AM
You're right Spence.....

It's that Damn PENIS of Bill Clinton again........

I am trying really hard (no pun intended) not to hate America....but I just can't help myself!!!