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IowaSkinsFan

10-13-2004, 10:03 AM

Edwards: Kerry Will Enable The Crippled To 'Get Up Out Of That Wheelchair And Walk Again'

NEWTON, IA (Talon News) -- Speaking at a campaign rally in Iowa on Tuesday, Democratic vice presidential nominee John Edwards declared if his running mate Sen. John F. Kerry (D-MA) is elected president, then they "will stop juvenile diabetes, Parkinson's, Alzheimer's and other debilitating diseases" and will enable the crippled to "get up out of that wheelchair and walk again."

If only John Kerry had been elected 4 years ago, Christopher Reeves would be alive today. Why didn't Gore step aside and let Kerry run then?

"America just lost a great champion for this cause in Christopher Reeve," Edwards recalled. "People like Chris Reeve will get out of their wheelchairs and walk again with stem cell research."

Trust me, this speech did not go over well in Iowa.

Source (http://www.gopusa.com/news/2004/october/1013_edwards_kerry_walk_again.shtml)

RedskinsDave

10-13-2004, 10:09 AM

He's too used to using that hyperbolic crap on idiotic juries that he forgets he's not in a courtroom trying to swindle anyone these days. Why won't they cure AIDS and cancer while they're at it?

lakewinola

10-13-2004, 10:15 AM

Any idea what stem-cell research is all about?

Spence

10-13-2004, 10:27 AM

Any idea what stem-cell research is all about?If you ask Dave and Robert, they'll probably tell you it is all about abortion. Ask righties about anything to do with science and they'll tell you it is all about abortion. The National Institutes of Health has some pretty good information about stem cell research and what it promises the medical world. Have a look (http://stemcells.nih.gov/index.asp).

Jimreaper007

10-13-2004, 10:37 AM

I am not sure what all the sensationalism is all about

IMO

It is a crying shame when we stop progress and human medical evolution because certain people want to stick their religion into everything.

I am sure Nancy Reagan rode the party line as well until they saw her husband lying their not having a clue as to who she was. That changed her mind on the subject.

People only tend to move on issues like stem cells when it effects them. Unfortunately the baby-boomers are moving into those years where they will be effected by these diseases an issues.

It will be very interesting to see all of these "religous" folks pull 180's when it is someone they know that is effected.

Maybe God will swoop down and save them 20-40 years down the line when they are dying of something we could have prevented with this research.

God gave us big brains for a reason..it was not to attribute everything we cannot understand to God, but to think, research and find out for ourselves...

Ahhhhhhhh.......religon (it will doom mankind)

Sad

RedskinsDave

10-13-2004, 10:45 AM

Sorry Lake, I was using Edward's same hyperbole in response. And yes I know what stem cell research is and does, thanks.

MrWiggles

10-13-2004, 10:51 AM

Edwards: Kerry Will Enable The Crippled To 'Get Up Out Of That Wheelchair And Walk Again'

If only John Kerry had been elected 4 years ago, Christopher Reeves would be alive today. Why didn't Gore step aside and let Kerry run then?

Trust me, this speech did not go over well in Iowa.

Source (http://www.gopusa.com/news/2004/october/1013_edwards_kerry_walk_again.shtml)

Did Edwards really use the word crippled?

lakewinola

10-13-2004, 10:55 AM

Did Edwards really use the word crippled?

No, he did not, this is another lame attempt by the GOP to twist the facts.

Spence

10-13-2004, 11:02 AM

However Senator Edwards' speech went over in Iowa, the latest Gallup poll shows that the public favors John Kerry's position on stem cell research over Mr Bush's position by a big margin: 53-33 percent. Stopping stem cell research is a big issue for the religious right wing, but even many conservative Republicans side with John Kerry and the scientists. For example, Senator Orrin Hatch, Republican from Utah, is one of the most conservative members in the history of the U.S. Senate. He opposes Mr Bush's ban on federal funding for stem cell research and favors John Kerry's position. As Senator Hatch has said: "Being pro-life means helping the living."

Helping the living, however, is not as important to some people as abiding by a peculiar interpretation of Scripture or the desire of Mr Bush to satisfy his fundamentalist base no matter what the cost.

IowaSkinsFan

10-13-2004, 11:21 AM

I don't care what Barbara Walters says, the remarks that Edwards made prove he is off his rocker and not even close to Bill Clinton. I can't remember Clinton ever making a campaign promise that was that pompous and arrogant. You have to have a very high opinion of yourself to make a statement like that.

IowaSkinsFan

10-13-2004, 11:22 AM

No, he did not, this is another lame attempt by the GOP to twist the facts.

Grow up. Crippled is not a deragatory term. There was no twisting of any facts regarding what Edwards said. Check the link. It's all there.

Spence

10-13-2004, 11:42 AM

I don't think John Edwards was promising to perform any medical miracles. I think he was saying the policy favored by John Kerry, himself, virtually the entire medical and scientific community, and a huge chunk of Republicans would enable doctors to treat conditions which are now a sentence of death or endless pain for millions of Americans.

Jimreaper007

10-13-2004, 12:59 PM

The only people off their rockers will be the folks (especially baby boomers) headed for all the same diseases and ailments this research could help cure.

It will be tragic to see them all do 180's when they spent their lives arguing against it.

Maybe God will swoop down and save them????

Or

Maybe God gave them the intelligence to save themselves but they chose to be religous nut-jobs and not do the research.

MrWiggles

10-13-2004, 01:20 PM

Grow up. Crippled is not a deragatory term. There was no twisting of any facts regarding what Edwards said. Check the link. It's all there.

I asked the question to point out that Edwards did not actually say crippled, the article you quoted did. It took several phrases that Edwards said, added a few of their own words in between, and made the guy look like a faith healer.

Could someone please explain to me how pointing out that stem cell reasearch that could lead to cures is somehow demoralizing the people that suffer from the diseases?

Spence

10-13-2004, 01:22 PM

Well, you don't quote from the GOP website if accuracy is your top concern. I think they're still talking about Saddam's vast arsenal of mustard gas. In any case, I think Bush has a stranglehold on the faith healer vote.

Jimreaper007

10-13-2004, 01:27 PM

Could someone please explain to me how pointing out that stem cell reasearch that could lead to cures is somehow demoralizing the people that suffer from the diseases?

Just like the enviroment, the righties live in only what they can see in front of their faces. They do not care about stem cell research because it has not effected them YET.

I am sure they will be the first ones whining and blaming democrats when they are all dying of something that could have been prevented.

Only a righty can come up with "Please do not cure me because It will demoralize me"

RedskinsDave

10-13-2004, 02:13 PM

IowaSkinsFan

10-13-2004, 02:42 PM

You lefties have totally dodged the issue here. It has nothing to with the validity of stem cell research, but rather the audacity and hollier than thou statements made by Edwards.

if Sen. John F. Kerry (D-MA) is elected president, then they "will stop juvenile diabetes, Parkinson's, Alzheimer's and other debilitating diseases" and will enable the crippled to "get up out of that wheelchair and walk again."

Are you freaking kidding me? So what's that mean if he doesn't win the election, he is going to keep the secrets to himself? Doctor's will only provide the cure if Kerry is elected?

How pompous can you be? I almost wish that Kerry wins the election now, so in 4 years when none of those afflictions are eradicated, we can ask him to leave office for not doing what he said he was going to do.

IowaSkinsFan

10-13-2004, 02:42 PM

Well, you don't quote from the GOP website if accuracy is your top concern.

But liberal websites are?

Spence

10-13-2004, 03:07 PM

Hey how does mustard gas taste on top of yellow cake?Mmmmm, that's good eatin'! A bit like eating a bowl of my semi-famous chili. Tastes good goin' down, but you'll pay for it later.

Spence

10-13-2004, 03:08 PM

But liberal websites are?Depends on the website.

Spence

10-13-2004, 03:14 PM

You lefties have totally dodged the issue here. It has nothing to with the validity of stem cell research, but rather the audacity and hollier than thou statements made by Edwards.

Are you freaking kidding me? So what's that mean if he doesn't win the election, he is going to keep the secrets to himself? Doctor's will only provide the cure if Kerry is elected?

How pompous can you be? I almost wish that Kerry wins the election now, so in 4 years when none of those afflictions are eradicated, we can ask him to leave office for not doing what he said he was going to do.Edwards does not claim to have any secrets about how to cure those conditions. As he and John Kerry [and lots of other Democrats, Republicans, virtually all doctors and medical scientists in the world] have said repeatedly, stem cell research is an extremely promising avenue for curing those aforementioned diseases.

If we kicked out politicians for not doing what they said they'd do, there wouldn't even be an election this year. When did George W. Bush promise to give America the biggest budget deficits in the history of the world? When did George W. Bush promise to be the first president to preside over net job losses since Herbert Hoover and the Great Depression.

I find it odd, Robert, that you've never squeaked a pip about Mr Bush's outrageous assertions regarding Iraqi WMD, but you think the Kerry-Edwards campaign ought not to be telling people embryonic stem cell research can hold the key to wiping out hideous diseases.

MrWiggles

10-13-2004, 03:26 PM

You lefties have totally dodged the issue here. It has nothing to with the validity of stem cell research, but rather the audacity and hollier than thou statements made by Edwards.

Are you freaking kidding me? So what's that mean if he doesn't win the election, he is going to keep the secrets to himself? Doctor's will only provide the cure if Kerry is elected?

How pompous can you be? I almost wish that Kerry wins the election now, so in 4 years when none of those afflictions are eradicated, we can ask him to leave office for not doing what he said he was going to do.

If Edwards had, in fact, said that I think it would be fairly silly. It wouldn't be as siily as Cheney suggesting that if Kerry were elected the US would be hit with another terrorist attack, but it would still be siily.

Fortunately the only Edwards' quotes in that sentence are ,"will stop juvenile diabetes, Parkinson's, Alzheimer's and other debilitating diseases", and, "get up out of that wheelchair and walk again." I don't know what was said before, between, or after those statements so I'll reserve judgement.

IowaSkinsFan

10-13-2004, 04:16 PM

If Edwards had, in fact, said that I think it would be fairly silly. It wouldn't be as siily as Cheney suggesting that if Kerry were elected the US would be hit with another terrorist attack, but it would still be siily.

Fortunately the only Edwards' quotes in that sentence are ,"will stop juvenile diabetes, Parkinson's, Alzheimer's and other debilitating diseases", and, "get up out of that wheelchair and walk again." I don't know what was said before, between, or after those statements so I'll reserve judgement.

For the record, I heard about the comments on the radio, on the way to work this morning, before I found them in my inbox. The radio hosts were aghast at Edwards comments.

There was no sugar coating, he said them.

Booser

10-13-2004, 05:22 PM

there is a valid point to be made here - we tend to gloss over this, but there is a difference between adult stem cell research and embryonic stem cell research. i recently read an article detailing the difference - adult stem cell research has been used to successful treat over 40 different ailments... right now, using embryonic stem cells for healing is purely theoretical. not one disease is being treated successfully with embryonic stem cells - they show a lot of promise, but the embryonic cells have a nasty habit of turning into cancer. mostly, politicians lump the two together.

ps - i am feverishly looking for the link again, i'll post it when i find it....

Skinzaholic

10-14-2004, 03:51 PM

Funny - had Dick Cheney made a statement regarding President Bush saving a million babies should he be re-elected the HR Democratic Forum would explode in outrage (all 12 of you)... The statement was stupid to say (like everything the Boy Scout says these days) - but in his defense I do think he was only making a symbolic point.

Spence

10-14-2004, 04:05 PM

How would George W. Bush save a million babies [or a thousand babies or a hundred babies] if he gets another four years?

Axegrinder

10-14-2004, 04:09 PM

How would George W. Bush save a million babies [or a thousand babies or a hundred babies] if he gets another four years?
Outlaw masturbation?

Spence

10-14-2004, 04:10 PM

Outlaw masterbation? :lol1: That one's gonna be tough to top!

Skinzaholic

10-14-2004, 04:34 PM

How would George W. Bush save a million babies [or a thousand babies or a hundred babies] if he gets another four years?

Isnt that the entire debate regarding Stem Cell Research? Tying it into Abortion - and so according to the Presidents view - saving millions of babies from being forced to give up their lives for the sake of science and progress?

(Forgive my ignorance in this area... more important things to invest my limited number of brain cells on).

Spence

10-14-2004, 04:48 PM

Well, no babies are aborted to provide stem cells. From what I gather, anti-abortion groups oppose stem cell research because if you argue that life begins at conception then you must accept that zygotes in a petri dish that will never be implanted into a woman's uterus are also human beings and thus have a right not to be used in research.

In all fairness, it should be noted that many pro-life people [like Senator Orrin Hatch, for example] do not accept that argument and support federal funding for stem cell research. Not all who oppose abortion rights oppose stem cell research.

MrWiggles

10-14-2004, 04:52 PM

Isnt that the entire debate regarding Stem Cell Research? Tying it into Abortion - and so according to the Presidents view - saving millions of babies from being forced to give up their lives for the sake of science and progress?

(Forgive my ignorance in this area... more important things to invest my limited number of brain cells on).

In most cases of embryonic stem cells the choice isn't between saving millions of babies or giving up their lives for science, it's giving up their lives for science or giving up their lives for nothing at all. These are not embryos that are ever going to become people.