The Official 3rd Presidential Debate Thread

[akhhorus]

Discuss...

[Spence]

77% of the country gets the Yanks/Red Sox. The other 23% gets the Cardinals/Astros. Baseball v. Public Affairs. It's not looking good for public affairs, especially with Pedro Martinez on the mound. Half of America will tune in just to see if he whips one at Joe Torre in the dugout.

[fent]

your mom

[PGiddy18]

So is it planned that both bush and Kerry dress exactly alike... are they trying to be twins>?

[akhhorus]

I just turned it on, but I'll quote noted Liberal Robert Novak, "Rerun of the first debate" so far

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

So is it planned that both bush and Kerry dress exactly alike... are they trying to be twins>?
it must be a girl thing, because i noticed that too......:p

[PGiddy18]

it must be a girl thing, because i noticed that too......:p

hee hee

As akh said this debate is very much like the first. Its kinda sad, I know a few people that are watching strictly to see if Bob is going to pull on his ear to give the signal he promised to John Stewart last time he was on the daily show.

(Did i miss something? when did this turn into a religous "press conference")

[Skins57]

I never noticed that. Geeshhh I must be a guy :D

[akhhorus]

hee hee

As akh said this debate is very much like the first. Its kinda sad, I know a few people that are watching strictly to see if Bob is going to pull on his ear to give the signal he promised to John Stewart last time he was on the daily show.

(Did i miss something? when did this turn into a religous "press conference")

Kerry doesnt look great, but Bush has looked uncomfortable throughout the election. Kerry is being clear, Bush isnt. Unless Kerry unzips his fly or Bush reveals a pic of Kerry and Osama having a Pina Colada together; Kerry looks like he won this debate.

[Spence]

Kerry has been very strong, but both of them look exhausted. It's not surprising, I suppose. We'll be lucky if both of them don't drop dead on election night.

[Spence]

Bush lied about not being concerned about Osama Bin Laden. He DID say he wasn't concerned about Bin Laden. Want proof? See for yourself. (http://mywebpages.comcast.net/atrios/notconcerned.wmv)

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

Bush lied about not being concerned about Osama Bin Laden. He DID say he wasn't concerned about Bin Laden. Want proof? See for yourself. (http://mywebpages.comcast.net/atrios/notconcerned.wmv)
lol. good find spence. i knew he was lying and i called him out because i remember being in disbelief when he said it.....

[suppitty]

That video will be all over tv tomorrow. I think kerry scored points on the minimum wage argument, and he was much more composed as usual. Not a big win, but bush looking uncomfortable on a few of the questions will hand kerry a small win in the debate.

[hail2skins]

Funny how they showed the in the fact section afterwards.

[fent]

i didn't watch this one because i've already decided who i'm voting for and i'm not such a big nerd as to bypass 2 good baseball games to watch a rerun...but was bush correct when mentioning that kerry put terrorism on par with prostitution like i'm hearing he said?

[Spence]

i didn't watch this one because i've already decided who i'm voting for and i'm not such a big nerd as to bypass 2 good baseball games to watch a rerun...but was bush correct when mentioning that kerry put terrorism on par with prostitution like i'm hearing he said?No. Kerry was referring to beating down terrorists until the point when terrorism was more of a nuisance than a paralyzing problem. It's so similar to what Brent Scowcroft, National Security Advisor to Bush 1.0, said in 2002 that I have to believe Kerry was cribbing off him.

[akhhorus]

i didn't watch this one because i've already decided who i'm voting for and i'm not such a big nerd as to bypass 2 good baseball games to watch a rerun...but was bush correct when mentioning that kerry put terrorism on par with prostitution like i'm hearing he said?

You just cant get Fentonator off of the Nader bandwagon!!

[Spence]

Fent told me he was going to write in Eugene Debs. He's Dead. He's Rested. He's Ready.

[fent]

Fent told me he was going to write in Eugene Debs. He's Dead. He's Rested. He's Ready.

i figure if LBJ can get dead people to vote for him, then why can't a live Texan vote for a dead guy?

[akhhorus]

i figure if LBJ can get dead people to vote for him, then why can't a live Texan vote for a dead guy?

Mel Carnahan won a Senate seat despite having the disadvantage of not breathing for awhile before the election.

[fent]

Mel Carnahan won a Senate seat despite having the disadvantage of not breathing for awhile before the election.

beat our suddenly silent AG if i remember correctly

[Spence]

Mel Carnahan won a Senate seat despite having the disadvantage of not breathing for awhile before the election.I'm told Ashcroft does not list that race first on his resume. Kind of humbling to be told by the voters that a corpse is making more sense than you are.

[fent]

I'm told Ashcroft does not list that race first on his resume. Kind of humbling to be told by the voters that a corpse is making more sense than you are.

to be fair i have to mention the governor announcing that he was going to appoint carnahan's wife to get the sympathy vote...ok...carry on making fun of stupid people voting and illegal voting tactics

[akhhorus]

to be fair i have to mention the governor announcing that he was going to appoint carnahan's wife to get the sympathy vote...ok...carry on making fun of stupid people voting and illegal voting tactics

you're right, but, he still got beat by a dead man on the ballot.

[fent]

you're right, but, he still got beat by a dead man on the ballot.

i know...it still goes down as one of the head scratchers 200 years from now

[Spence]

If I can't make fun of stupid people on a football website then the terrorists have already won.

[fent]

If I can't make fun of stupid people on a football website then the terrorists have already won.

i will concede that point...carry on

[akhhorus]

A scientific poll by Gallup had the poll rated at 52-39 for Kerry.

[Spence]

Early post-debate polls

CBS Kerry 39 Bush 25
ABC Kerry 42 Bush 41
CNN Kerry 52 Bush 39

The CBS poll is only among undecideds. The ABC polled 38% Republicans and only 30% Democrats, so that probably explains why it is the only poll that shows it close.

[akhhorus]

Early post-debate polls

CBS Kerry 39 Bush 25
ABC Kerry 42 Bush 41
CNN Kerry 52 Bush 39

The CBS poll is only among undecideds. The ABC polled 38% Republicans and only 30% Democrats, so that probably explains why it is the only poll that shows it close.

msnbc had it 73-26

[Spence]

msnbc had it 73-26Whoa! That looks like the score of a Miami U.-Boise State game if the Hurricanes spotted the other guys 23 points.

[Spence]

I have to say that Bob Schieffer was awful. [He's a golfing buddy of Bush's, by the way.] We know that both men love their wives, but there where were the questions about stem cell research, outsourcing, trade, global warming, etc? Is Schieffer really as much of a lightweight as he appeared to be tonight. I spoke with him for about 30 seconds at the National Press Club earlier this year [before he started looking around for someone older and more famous] and he seemed rather vacuous to me, but I figured he was just a bit dazed from the three glasses of wine I saw him drink while the Prime Minister of Australia was droning on. Maybe it's a more permanent condition.

[Jimreaper007]

I thought the debate went as expected

Kerry outlined a plan for healthcare....

Bush did not have a plan and attacked Kerry's plan

Kerry talked about how he would make women's wages fair

Bush did not even address the issue

Kerry talked about not rolling back affirmative action

Bush talked about education instead of answering the question

Kerry talked about how Illeagal immigration hurts the middle class (immigrants tend not to settle in rich neighborhoods....unless rich people need cheap labor)

Bush talked about how he was govenor in a border state but did not answer the question

Kerry talked about outsourcing of jobs and provided answers

Bush said that he would provide education to those laid off


Bottom Line: Kerry is providing answers and Bush is not. If you do not have a job or healthcare you are still waiting after 4 years for the president to introduce some type of plan.

Kerry is connecting with the undecided while Bush is solidifying his base.

[NamVet4]

Il "Curse del Bambino" vittorie, ancora!




{ For all you Boston Red Sox fans ! ;) }

[lakewinola]

You know, W is giving Sadam better healthcare coverage than 40 million americans. Think about that.

[Spence]

:lol1: Good one. How many Americans get free hernia surgery?You know, W is giving Sadam better healthcare coverage than 40 million americans. Think about that.

[lakewinola]

This is a quote from W last night;

"I believe the best way to help our small businesses is not only through small-business loans, which we have increased since I've been the president of the United States, but to unbundle government contracts so people have a chance to be able to bid and receive a contract to help get their business going."

I'm confused on his position, does he favor no-bid contracts or not? He says he is for opening contracts to the best bidder, but how does he explain giving Halliburton a no-bid contract worth billions?

[Spence]

Not just one no-bid contract to Halliburton, Lake. There have been more.

[Minnesota Mike]

Not just one no-bid contract to Halliburton, Lake. There have been more.


Stop picking on Halliburton. Unlike you, they love the U$A. And they have billiions of reasons why they do.

[lakewinola]

Anybody else find it outrageous that W was laughing when the suject of uninsured americans came up? Hey W, its not a joke or a laughing matter 40 million americans do have insurance. Maybe he was laughing because he really does not care, he really showcased his failure of compassion there.

[akhhorus]

Anybody else find it outrageous that W was laughing when the suject of uninsured americans came up? Hey W, its not a joke or a laughing matter 40 million americans do have insurance. Maybe he was laughing because he really does not care, he really showcased his failure of compassion there.

he was giggling a lot last night. And the camera caught it.

[Minnesota Mike]

he was giggling a lot last night. And the camera caught it.

Giggling or cackling?

[akhhorus]

Giggling or cackling?

giggly,, Shales called him on it in the post.

[lakewinola]

Here is another W lie:

"Anyway, let me quote the Lewin report. The Lewin report is a group of folks who are not politically affiliated. They analyzed the senator's plan. It cost $1.2 trillion. The Lewin report accurately noted that there are going to be 20 million people, over 20 million people added to government-controlled health care. It would be the largest increase in government health care ever."


In actuality "Kerry's plan would leave 97% with the insurance they have now -- while up to 27 million who aren't insured would gain coverage." This is sourced to the same Lewin Group. Let's take a closer look at the Lewin Group findings.

The Lewin Group Compares Key Findings of the Candidates’ Plans
W's figures are first Kerry's second.

Reduction in Uninsured 8.2 million; 25.2 million
Percent Reduction in Uninsured 17 %; 51 %
Net Change in Employer Coverage (1.2 million); 2.1 million
Total Federal Net Expenditures $227.5 billion; $1,249.0 billion
Total State Net Expenditures ($19.9 billion); ($343.5 billion)
Changes in Employer Health Spending ($4.7 billion); ($52.1 billion)
Changes in Private Insurance Market $9.9 billion; ($773.9 billion)
Net Change in Yearly Average Family Health Care Spending (with plans unfunded by any tax changes) $68; ($451)


Bottom line, under W's plan only 8.2 million people would gain insurance and the average family health care spending would increase $68.

Kerry's plan would give 25.2 million people health care insurance and reduce the average cost to a family by $451.

[lakewinola]

Here is another W plan on jobs from the debate:

"I've got policies to continue to grow our economy and create the jobs of the 21st century. And here's some help for you to go get an education. Here's some help for you to go to a community college.

We've expanded trade adjustment assistance. We want to help pay for you to gain the skills necessary to fill the jobs of the 21st century. "

What does he think the jobs of the 21st century are? Above is his solution to addressing the outsourcing of american jobs. He think education will eliminate and offset losses overseas. What is he talking about? Tell me what are the jobs of the 21st century? Is it a ray gun operator? Because these following jobs are being outsourced, all of which are very education based 21st century type jobs, (other than the ray gun operator).

Computer programmer
Lawyer
Accountant
Insurance sales
Chemists
Physicists


W, has absolutely no plan or desire to end the exodus of american jobs.

http://money.cnn.com/2004/10/14/news/economy/lawyer_outsourcing/index.htm
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=711&e=10&u=/usatoday/20041014/tc_usatoday/endangeredspeciesusprogrammers

[Spence]

Sleeping it off at the debate.

http://www.wonkette.com/images/who%20would%20you%20rather%20party%20with.jpg

[Minnesota Mike]

She was probably dreaming about me while she nodded off. I know when I nodded off during the debate I was dreaming about her.

[Spence]

You're scaring me, Mike.

[padraic]

Sleeping it off at the debate.

http://www.wonkette.com/images/who%20would%20you%20rather%20party%20with.jpg


She could have been in an extended blink, or praying for he dad not to run across the stage and kick the ever loving sh!t out of the whimpy Dem across the stage from him. Every one knows that Rep can kick any Dems a$$ just look at Arnold.

[Spence]

She could have been in an extended blink, or praying for he dad not to run across the stage and kick the ever loving sh!t out of the whimpy Dem across the stage from him. Every one knows that Rep can kick any Dems a$$ just look at Arnold.You're also starting to scare me, padricjude.

[akhhorus]

She could have been in an extended blink, or praying for he dad not to run across the stage and kick the ever loving sh!t out of the whimpy Dem across the stage from him. Every one knows that Rep can kick any Dems a$$ just look at Arnold.

Ill take a liquored up Teddy Kennedy over most everyone any day.

[Minnesota Mike]

She could have been in an extended blink, or praying for he dad not to run across the stage and kick the ever loving sh!t out of the whimpy Dem across the stage from him. Every one knows that Rep can kick any Dems a$$ just look at Arnold.

But DON'T mess with the Minnesota Independents. Jesse could take Ahnold, and anyone either party puts in the squared circle.

[Spence]

Chris Dodd [D-CT] is a pretty big guy. I've seen him up close.

[Minnesota Mike]

Chris Dodd [D-CT] is a pretty big guy. I've seen him up close.

I have shaken each of the men's hand. My money would be on Jesse.

[Spence]

I have shaken each of the men's hand. My money would be on Jesse.Well, sure, Jesse could beat up Chris Dodd. If that matters. Jesse wasn't tough enough for a re-election fight, though.

[Minnesota Mike]

Well, sure, Jesse could beat up Chris Dodd. If that matters. Jesse wasn't tough enough for a re-election fight, though.

Ya got know when to fold'em. The novelty that was Ventura had worn off. Plus being governor was interfering with all of his book tours and "$ide-projects".

[padraic]

You're also starting to scare me, padricjude.


Sorry im jacked up on cold meds, but i did see those protesters in NYC and i could take any of them, well any of the men the women are kind of hairy and scary for me.

[padraic]

But DON'T mess with the Minnesota Independents. Jesse could take Ahnold, and anyone either party puts in the squared circle.


Dude arnold would Make Jesse his b!tch, i know Jesse was a Navy Seal but arnold is the terminator

[akhhorus]

Dude arnold would Make Jesse his b!tch, i know Jesse was a Navy Seal but arnold is the terminator

yeah, the elite trained killer versus the Austrian body builder.

[Minnesota Mike]

yeah, the elite trained killer versus the Austrian body builder.

Find a picture of the two of them side by side from the movie Predator. Then you tell me who wins that mano-a-mano.

[akhhorus]

Find a picture of the two of them side by side from the movie Predator. Then you tell me who wins that mano-a-mano.

The Predator. And is he gonna run for office(the Predator)? Carl Weathers isnt doing much right now.

[padraic]

Arnold took on the Kennedys, kind of.

[Minnesota Mike]

Arnold took on the Kennedys, kind of.

If you call marrying one of them, taking them on.

[padraic]

If you call marrying one of them, taking them on.


Hell ya, did you take on your Wife's family? I had the whole clan living with me for a while well not all of them but it felt like it.......(side note i have been around for awhile and to day my goal is to break 600 post's so keep responding it helps me keep going.

[Minnesota Mike]

Hell ya, did you take on your Wife's family? I had the whole clan living with me for a while well not all of them but it felt like it.......(side note i have been around for awhile and to day my goal is to break 600 post's so keep responding it helps me keep going.

Fair point. Usually we take trips together. I can't really call it a vacation, since they are the people I need a vacation from.

[padraic]

Fair point. Usually we take trips together. I can't really call it a vacation, since they are the people I need a vacation from.


Good one are your in laws Irish? Mine are Spanish so i can not even understand them, and i always feel like the old women are hitting on me.

[lakewinola]

Good one are your in laws Irish? Mine are Spanish so i can not even understand them, and i always feel like the old women are hitting on me.

What's the difference between outlaws and inlaws?

[padraic]

What's the difference between outlaws and inlaws?


I do not know what?

[lakewinola]

I do not know what?

Outlaws are wanted

[Minnesota Mike]

Good one are your in laws Irish? Mine are Spanish so i can not even understand them, and i always feel like the old women are hitting on me.

The parents of my wife's mother were both from Leitrim, they met in the Bronx. My wife's father grew up in Alabama and Pensacola, Fla.

[padraic]

Outlaws are wanted


I like it good one.

[padraic]

The parents of my wife's mother were both from Leitrim, they met in the Bronx. My wife's father grew up in Alabama and Pensacola, Fla.


I was in leitrim for like a day very nice place not much going on even by Irish stadards, lots of waterfalls people in Dublin always make fun of it kind of like people in Cork always make fun of Kerry(not the pres the county im sure all of Ireland would vote for Kerry if they could)

[Minnesota Mike]

I was in leitrim for like a day very nice place not much going on even by Irish stadards, lots of waterfalls people in Dublin always make fun of it kind of like people in Cork always make fun of Kerry(not the pres the county im sure all of Ireland would vote for Kerry if they could)

Good job swinging this back to the Presidential candidates, where it started.

If my wife's grandparents were still alive, I'm sure they'd make fun of Leitrim too. After all they did leave the place. In fact the grandmother always talked about her brother (the one who stayed on the farm in some what negative terms. She was quick to point out that as a wee lad he was kicked in the head by a horse, and he was never quite the same after that.

[padraic]

My gradfather in Cork was on a farm to, he was killed when he was thrown from a horse he was trying to break in for a neighbor, kind of like an irish cowboy,........... my mom was going into church in her hometown one time with my father she had not been back for sometime and on the way in this guy very camly says "hi Nora" my mom looks at him and says hi back my father once they got inside asked her "who was that" she said " that is my brother". something about familys and siblings with irish people i think sometimes they treat there friends better then family.

[Minnesota Mike]

My gradfather in Cork was on a farm to, he was killed when he was thrown from a horse he was trying to break in for a neighbor, kind of like an irish cowboy,........... my mom was going into church in her hometown one time with my father she had not been back for sometime and on the way in this guy very camly says "hi Nora" my mom looks at him and says hi back my father once they got inside asked her "who was that" she said " that is my brother". something about familys and siblings with irish people i think sometimes they treat there friends better then family.

Nora was my wife's grandmother's name. She came back from Leitrim some years back with tons of photos including some of nieces and nephews. When asked who the people in the pictures were, her answer was "oh, its just some local color."

[padraic]

I need 4 more post to reach my mark and im getting ready to sign off for the day so i will ask , have you been to Ireland your self?

[RedskinsDave]

My sister-in-law's dad is from cork. 30 years later and I still can't understand him.

[akhhorus]

My sister-in-law's dad is from cork. 30 years later and I still can't understand him.

My ancestors use to own some of Cork and all of the Limerick county.

[Minnesota Mike]

have you been to Ireland your self?


I spent the summer of 97 there studing at Trinity.

And I was a tourist in 93.

[Jimskin]

I need 4 more post to reach my mark and im getting ready to sign off for the day so i will ask , have you been to Ireland your self?
No...but I do have an Irish name..."O'Dublin"... on the Family Crest.