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The Skinsinator
10-22-2004, 05:35 PM
Everybody here has acknowledged our outstanding play of secondary & lbs. Losing Champ doesn't look that bad. I sure as hell would rather have Taylor and Springs than only Bailey. Our linebackers have played well. That will be better especially when we get Lavar back. Our d-line has played above average, especially the tackles. What is our biggest need at this point in the season for next yr? I realize that we still have at least 10 games left, and hopefully more this yr. However, this is a good discussion for a bye week.
1. QB- Never thought I'd say this. But, Brunnel & Ramsey haven't played well at all. Ramsey could be the man of the future, however I do believe that Brunnel will never take us as far as we need to go. We need to find out this season about Ramsey. That is imperative.
2. Offensive Center- This has been really bad this yr. Not just run & pass blocking. But, overall snapping hasn't been stellar, which is very important being that it begins every offense play.
3. Special Teams Returner- This position must be improved. I think our whole play here has been less than average. A stud here would really help our offense. With their play, up to this point, could really use it.
4. Def End- Not a total NEED, considering the overall play of the whole d. However, an upgrade here could take our team to an amazingly dominant defense from a very good one.
HAIL TO THE SKINS!!!!
SkinsKY
10-22-2004, 06:10 PM
1) DE - we need a good pass rushing end. We've done well so far, but if we didn't have to send 6 to get pressure, we would lock teams up. We won't be able to stop teams like the Colts or Rams if we have to blitz to get to the QB.
2) I do agree with getting a returner. I hate Chad Morton. I was displeased when we signed him, but was willing to give him a shot. He has done nothing to improve my opinion.
3) I would also look into possibly drafting a 3rd/4th round RB. It seems to me that Ladell is not getting it done if Portis has to carry 36 times. It's one thing if it was Ricky McPothead, or Jamal. I don't want Clinton coming up gimpy because we can't give him a blow (No Jamal, not the blow that caused your suspension).
I'm not ready to rule out Ramsey, so I'm not looking for a QB unless it means getting rid of Brunell.
riskus
10-22-2004, 06:15 PM
how about a huge nose tackle?
openallnight
10-22-2004, 06:22 PM
I think the 2 things that have hurt us the most this year (other than the QB) is the lack of a stud blocking TE and a short yardage back.
You put a Donnie Warren and a George Rogers into the 1st 6 games and we're probably 5-1.
BSMKF
10-22-2004, 06:57 PM
1. I think we need a premier DE this defense would be special if we had that
2.I want a monster guard or center so we can dominate the line of scrimmage on offense
3. I think we need a big pounder back up RB like a goal line type of RB
4.Some O-Line depth the O-Line is so important in Gibbs style of offense and we can't afford any more injuries on the O-Line
Thats about the jist of what I think we can improve on for next year, but I really do think our Skins are going to make a run at the playoffs this year. I have alot of confidence that Gibbs will have this offense primed and ready for our 2nd half of the season. We will find out alot about this team vs Greenbay and I can't wait.
portisforpres
10-22-2004, 07:20 PM
O-Line is inneed of a big boost.
ST coverage (esp on KO and P) is in need of a big boost.
KOR is in need of a boost.
chad101
10-22-2004, 11:01 PM
QB
TE
Offensive coordinator.
All major needs.
Skinz4lyfe
10-22-2004, 11:14 PM
Maybe I'm overly optimistic but I don't think we NEED anything other than time. Sure we could probably use a pass rushing DE (like Kalu) or maybe a return specialists or bigger lineman but I think we need some cohesiveness on the team. I honestly don't think any other team is more talented, top to bottom, than the Redskins are. If the coaching staff will continue to work with our guys and our guys can learn to work together, we should be a really good team by the end of the year. If we keep the same group together next year (coaching staff included), I say watch out Philly! Just look at the Pats and their success. Funny to consider the last coach to beat Belichick was 'Ol Ball Coach! Who knew?!?
sdredskinsfan
10-23-2004, 03:52 AM
QB
TE
Offensive coordinator.
All major needs.
Are you suggesting Gibbs back off from the offense? Gibbs IS the offensive coordinator and I trust that he will continue to improve the offense. I sense that the running game is on track and I sense that he'll do whatever is necessary to maximize the potential of the passing game.
lakeskin
10-23-2004, 05:07 AM
We need to bring everyone back, coaches and players. No more massive turnover. Obviously in todays league you wont be able to keep everyone, but a majority of guys would be nice.
SkinsForLife
10-23-2004, 09:28 AM
QB
TE
Offensive coordinator.
All major needs.
An offensive coordinator? I hope you're joking. Gibbs is our offensive coordinator. You can't exactly upgrade that.
SkinsForLife
10-23-2004, 09:31 AM
Personally, I don't want too many new people. The one thing we've really been lacking in Washington is consistancy. If we could keep this same group of guys, add a couple maybe, we'll be fine. It's early and players are starting to get comfortable with the system. This bye week will be a big help, giving our offense guys and extra week to practice. I look for us to come out and put up 20+ points against Green Bay, and for Brunnel to have a good day (I know a lot of people want him out, but I want to stick it out with him.)
PA Skins Girl
10-23-2004, 10:18 AM
Hopefully, there wont be a huge turnover in the off season. Even if we go 7-9 or 6-10, I think we still just need time to gel. Top priority will be to re-sign Smoot.
First round pick should be spent on either a DE or a WR.
PyroGenic
10-23-2004, 10:21 AM
how about a huge nose tackle?
then we won't use Cornelius Griffin and he's doing well this year, plus he cost us a good amount of money so that would just be a waste. If Griffin can't be a nose tackle then its not worth to go out and find one because that area of the team is doing very well. Here's what we need to do....
1)MLB - find out who is going to play, it looks like Barrow says that he wants to play again immediately when he gets healthy (this period of time for his injury is ridiculous, waste of money) but Pierce is doing awesome. He's tied for most tackles on the team with Marcus Washington (the borderline pro bowler) and is doing an excellent job leading our defense. Barrow may have been the leading tackler for the NFC last season but if your replacement is doing well I dunno if he has the right just to kick him out.
2)Blocking TE - Jim Kleinsasser wouldve been awesome here if we had gotten him in the offseason, now he's injured and I hate the Vikings and little bit more now... mainly because they never use him and are pass happy. Rasby got cut because he couldn't even slow down Brown from getting in our backfield but it totally wasn't his fault... a certain lineman that accounts for a huge part of our salary cap is at fault as well, I'll get into that later. Our group of backup TEs isn't getting it done, hopefully we can get Cooley to get better at blocking because I think that he's already a legit threat with his hands. Since Royal is starting next game maybe Gibbs thinks that he can already do that.
3)Fullback - H-Backs are fine if you have bigger Running backs to do it with, but Portis needs a lead blocker to break through the line. We need to adjust our running game so that Portis can have more success in it, everybody knows how good he can be. And maybe the running game at the goal line can improve, we need a lot more points and our goal line running game sucks. I think Sellers or Cartwright could do a good job here.
4) Offensive Linemen - Buges maybe a legendary coach but Dockery is still making mental errors and Samuels couldnt stop Brown yesterday. I'm seeing that league wide big money Tackles like Samuels and Pace are starting to break down. I'm not too sure on how to fix this, it's probably just mental errors but its definitely annoying. I don't think we should draft anything other than a center in the draft. And we shouldnt do that unless we use our 4th round pick.... 2nd is too high unless he's really good.
5)Defensive End - I still say that we should draft one in the draft, but honestly, if our QB situation doesnt lighten up and if a good prospect comes up when we're on the clock, I wouldnt mind drafting a QB. But if not, DE all the way baby. With an explosive DE our defense will dominate and we can drop back our linebackers more often and let them make plays without blitzing.
chad101
10-23-2004, 11:31 AM
An offensive coordinator? I hope you're joking. Gibbs is our offensive coordinator. You can't exactly upgrade that.
YOU CAN ALWAYS UPGRADE 14 PPG AVG......ALWAYS..... IF THIS WAS SPURRIER AFTER 6 WEEKS WHAT WOULD WE SAYING.
bball7980
10-23-2004, 11:40 AM
DE is all we need. Unless you guy don't think Ramsey or Brunell can handle it. The jury is still out on Brunnell. A DE like Winstrom would have won us a few more games this year already.
The Skinsinator
10-23-2004, 11:46 AM
DE is all we need. Unless you guy don't think Ramsey or Brunell can handle it. The jury is still out on Brunnell. A DE like Winstrom would have won us a few more games this year already.
How would a killer de do this? Folks, as I reiterated in the 1st post, defense is NOT the problem. It is the offense, namely Brunnel & some parts of the line. This is the problem. If they would have played averagely, I would agree with a few more games already won. Brunnel's gotta go. Put Ramsey in there and see what he can do. If he stinks, put Brunnel or Hasslebeck back in. I'm sure Brunnel can maintain his average of about 97 yds/game.
GO SKINS!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Skinsinator
10-23-2004, 11:54 AM
I'm sorry, but I have to say this. 6 games is all I need. No starting NFL qb should play like Brunnel and expect to keep his job. The sad thing is everybody on this board is somewhat content with our extremely meager victory over Chicago. Chicago sucks. There are a lot of college qbs I'd take over J. Quinn. Of Course, we still have to make interesting. Yeah, Ramsey screwed up against NY. At least, he moved the damn ball. WE WILL NOT COMPETE WITH THE BIG BOYS WITH BRUNNEL. I'm tired of this wait & see crap. Wait & see what??? A piss-poor offense with one of the most talented tbs in the game limited by an inept qb. 8 completions against one of the worst pass-d's in the league. HR, I realize this belongs in a different thread, but I had to say it.
PyroGenic
10-23-2004, 12:24 PM
HR, I realize this belongs in a different thread, but I had to say it.
i think that coincides with skin's needs :)
PyroGenic
10-23-2004, 12:26 PM
YOU CAN ALWAYS UPGRADE 14 PPG AVG......ALWAYS..... IF THIS WAS SPURRIER AFTER 6 WEEKS WHAT WOULD WE SAYING.
are you comparing spurrier to gibbs? a college coach compared to a NFL coaching LEGEND? yeah... maybe we give gibbs more slack because he's won 3 superbowls...
chad101
10-23-2004, 03:54 PM
are you comparing spurrier to gibbs? a college coach compared to a NFL coaching LEGEND? yeah... maybe we give gibbs more slack because he's won 3 superbowls...
Not comparing at all. Gibbs does have 3 SB rings from the past.
Presently though we run a Vanillla offense, start a QB that through either his own or the system faults has a problem throwing for 100 yds in a game. We also took weeks to correct the problem of finding ourselves with timeouts in critical 4th quarter spots.
The offensive scheme must change to a spread the field look thus making passing easier while also removing the 8 man fronts Portis has faced.
Maybe Joe makes monumentous changes during the bye week and the Skins are fine but for the first 6 weeks the Offensive game plan gets a big ole D for a grade.
The Skinsinator
10-23-2004, 04:00 PM
Not comparing at all. Gibbs does have 3 SB rings from the past.
Presently though we run a Vanillla offense, start a QB that through either his own or the system faults has a problem throwing for 100 yds in a game. We also took weeks to correct the problem of finding ourselves with timeouts in critical 4th quarter spots.
The offensive scheme must change to a spread the field look thus making passing easier while also removing the 8 man fronts Portis has faced.
Maybe Joe makes monumentous changes during the bye week and the Skins are fine but for the first 6 weeks the Offensive game plan gets a big ole D for a grade.
As much as I hate to say it, I would have to agree with this, for the most part. However, this was also the case his 1st yr. And the rest is history. So, if history repeats itself, we will be more than fine.
Ohiofan
10-23-2004, 04:07 PM
The kid from Wisconsin, don't remember his name, is a monster DE. Dominating, strong, great speed. He was completing mauling the Purdue offense before he got hurt by a cheap cut block. Boy if he is available on draft day-- I have no doubt who we should take. Did any of you watch that Wisconsin-Purdue game? Remember his name?
The Skinsinator
10-23-2004, 04:13 PM
The kid from Wisconsin, don't remember his name, is a monster DE. Dominating, strong, great speed. He was completing mauling the Purdue offense before he got hurt by a cheap cut block. Boy if he is available on draft day-- I have no doubt who we should take. Did any of you watch that Wisconsin-Purdue game? Remember his name?
ERASMUS JAMES
Yes, he will be money. Before the year, thought of as very good potential, however now is awesome. A great player for whoever gets him.
josh90286
10-23-2004, 08:42 PM
he will be gone very early...him, tehn pollack, then spears...id be happy with any of them being available
IndianBaller27
10-23-2004, 09:28 PM
1. Get rid of that [Censored by.... Wait. Wrong forum....] Brunell!!!!!!!
2. DE - I don't feel comfortable blitzing every down. I wanna have pressure without bringing the blitz.
3. Backup tackle or guard. Just in case if something like the Jansen incident happens again. Hopefully not though.
4. TE - Rasby sucks. Royal sucks. Kozlowski sucks. Cooley is good, but he's the H-Back.
5. Kick returner. We need a Dante Hall. If we someone like him, we could win those close games with big plays from him.
NamVet4
10-24-2004, 10:47 AM
Our biggest, immediate need, is a heck of a great improvement and perfromance in ST plays. ST will win you 3 games when they are on!
John Hall and Tom Tupa cannot carry the ST ! Coach Danny Smith has got to get the rest of the ST to step up. This can be accomplished without waiting to get another draft choice, without waiting for FA to provide a star. It just needs a heck of a lot of work; hard work and the willingness to sacrfice the time needed to improve.
just my 2 cents . . .
PennSkinsFan
10-24-2004, 08:17 PM
I think one thing they will look strongly at is to upgrade the offensive line as well. I look for a top notch Center to be chosen.
whitskins
10-25-2004, 07:36 AM
I think we will go for a pure pass rushing DE first, then an excellent center. We also could use a stud nose tackle.
I don't think we'll go searching for another starting QB, Ramsey will get a chance to prove once and for all whether or not he can handle the job and I think he'll be our QB next year.
Patrick
10-25-2004, 08:02 AM
Hard to say at this point in time. With our current record and projecting it out.... we WILL have some needs to address this off-season. This is how I see it to date
High Priority
DE (still need the monster)
OL (a tackle and center/guard type - and Samuels may not be around)
RS (Morton is just not getting it done)
Other Areas of Concern
RB (a power back to offset Portis)
DB (can always use help there - besides Smoot may not be around)
WR (Other than Coles, Gardner, and Thrash - no one is stepping up)
QB (Gibbs always likes a late round prospect)
LadyNRedskinsfan
10-25-2004, 01:29 PM
OL-we need another C who can dominate. and depth at OG would help.
DE-it would help to have a pass rusher who could get to the QB, without the help of the blitz. our DTs are playing well, but we could improve whoever is next to griffin.
TE-we've got the blockers in koz and baxter, but they arent getting any younger. also, we could use a real pass catching TE to be a threat down the field.
Backup safety-i know that williams has these no name guys playing extremely well, but we could use some better depth there as well.
RoanokeSkin
10-25-2004, 05:34 PM
A qb ... end of story. That would open up the run game for Portis.
sdredskinsfan
10-26-2004, 07:21 AM
I think the 2 things that have hurt us the most this year (other than the QB) is the lack of a stud blocking TE and a short yardage back.
You put a Donnie Warren and a George Rogers into the 1st 6 games and we're probably 5-1.
I agree. On the offensive side the Redskins have sorely lacked a blocking TE and short-yardage back. Maybe Royal is the answer at TE. I'm not sure about the short-yardage thingy though. I wish Cartwright hadn't lost that weight. He wasn't too bad last year in that role. BTW, I would take Riggs over Rogers. Riggs was not only powerful, but adept at wiggling his way through for an extra half-yard. Rogers was too much of an upright runner as a short-yardage guy.
#1SkInSfAn
10-26-2004, 07:49 AM
I think we need a ST returner and a pass rushng DE.... Oh and someone who isn't Brunell at QB!
LATrueRedskin
10-26-2004, 11:27 AM
Hopefully, there wont be a huge turnover in the off season. Even if we go 7-9 or 6-10, I think we still just need time to gel. Top priority will be to re-sign Smoot.
First round pick should be spent on either a DE or a WR.
I agree. I don't believe we will have a huge offseason this year, signing player after player (no matter what EVERY non-Redskin fan will tell you). Gibbs got his guys, and maybe he'll add a few, but not many. I think we'll concentrated on re-signing our players and building through the draft.
RedskinRyan
10-26-2004, 01:33 PM
1.) pass rushing DE - we get a ton of pressure when we bring the house. but when we just send the DL, no pressure. lemme ask you this. what team is afraid of the phillip daniels/renaldo wynn/ron warner trio?
2.) special teams kamikaze - new england has larry izzo. the eagles have justin short. we need an absolute tackling freak for ST.
3.) bull dozer of a running back - for the short yardage. i think ladell betts is more of a trung canidate(minus the blazing speed) than a jerome bettis. bettis is a FA after the year(although i think he will retire or steelers might still want him) or there is also ron dayne(laugh if you want, we arent talking the same ron dayne as last year).
4.) DT - i like who we have. but what happens when someone gets injured? if saleve'a gets hurt, thats one thing. but if griffin goes down? noble/saleve'a, a little worried.
5.) new veteran QB - not some washed up one either.
PennSkinsFan
10-26-2004, 02:17 PM
I am surpised with the talent we have on the offensive lien that Center is not mentioned more often. Imagine filling in an impact Center with Jansen, Thomas, and Samuels.
Meatsnack
10-26-2004, 03:23 PM
We won’t really know what we need until we know who we can resign. I am a “Best Player Available” fan in my general draft philosophy. With that said, as of today I would like to look at (in no particular order) :
Center: Raymer is an able back-up but not physically capable of being a dominant starter and Lennie Friedman is too small in this age of the mammoth nose tackle in any scheme that doesn’t utilize cut blocks. The LSU kid, Ben Wilkerson, would look really good to me in round 2.
WR: We had one receiver who scares people and a lot of “other guys”. I say had since #80 has clearly lost a step to his foot injury. Until he has surgery, I don’t look for him to be the LC from previous years. A size/speed freak would be a consideration if he also had the hands and work ethic needed to play for Gibbs. Mike Williams, anyone? Braylon Edwards or Mark Clayton would also fit right in.
QB: This is kind of a long-shot, since Brunell will be here next year barring extreme weirdness. Ramsey might get traded if he really is in Gibbs’ doghouse but that would surprise me as well. That said, I can see any number of gifted young QBs going after Leinart in rounds 2-4. Andrew Walter, Kyle Orton, Charlie Frye, David Greene, Jason White, Dan Orlovsky, or Aaron Rodgers are all possible if they slip to day 2 or we pick up extra picks on day 1.
OT: In the unlikely event the team developed a need here, draft Wesley Britt out of Alabama. Period. We already took two developmental tackles late, so I wouldn’t expect us to do so again.
OG: Again, unlikely barring unforeseen weirdness, but there are good ones out there. A few names include C.J. Brooks, his cross-border rival Elton Brown, David Baas, and Marcus Johnson.
TE: Blocking tight ends are a rarity in college these days and are somewhat hard to find. Heath Miller and Brian Casey are potential draftees here. Casey, particularly, is a near physical clone of Donnie Warren at 6-6 270.
RB: Power Back options only: Cedric Benson is a possible power back option in the unlikely event we went RB in Rnd. 1. TA McClendon or Ronnie Brown are possible if they slip. Brandon Jacobs and Kay Jay Harris will be there on Day 2. I bet we could get Maurice Clarett late on Day 2. :)
De/Dt: Whichever has a better impact player available at the spot we pick. Cornelious Griffin has been great at the “3” technique but I think Joe Salavea, though he has performed above expectation, would be better off the bench. Rodrique Wright would look really good in the Burgundy and Gold. On the DE front, if an Erasmus James/David Pollock type is available when we pick, that would be ideal. If David Pollock is available when we pick, we will likely take him. He is a high character, high motor, JJG type of player. Or, take a flyer on Chris Canty late on Day 1 or early day 2.
LB: Unlikely enough that I don’t think about it. Ahmad Brooks of UVA has the physical tools if it came to it.
CB: If Antrel Rolle is there, you take him. Shawn Springs will not be young forever and Fred Smoot might leave to join his buddy Deion in Bal’mer or his buddy Champ “The Human Torch” Bailey in Denver. Marlin Jackson is another possible in Round 1 if his speed checks out.
Safety: With our loss at SS, we might try drafting a young’un. One amusing possibility is Ernest Shazor of Michigan, who is even bigger than Sean Taylor. I would probably draft him just to watch opposing wide receivers cry before game time. :)
The Skinsinator
10-26-2004, 03:28 PM
Being an Oklahoma State grad & huge follower, I want everyone to check out Vernand Morency of OSU. He reminds me of a faster Jerome Bettis. The guy is really good & huge. I get chills thinking of him & Portis in the same backfield together. That would be something. OSU hosts OU @ 12 est Saturday in Stillwater. Check it out.
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