Hey, This Is Good....

[JoeDaSchmoe]

Brunell managed to throw as many completions as he did incompletions today. :D

Sorry, couldn't resist. Carry on....

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

you are wrong joe, just wrong.....:)

btw--brunell had just as many completions last week, as the kansas city chiefs had rushing TDs this week!

[ihatedallas]

you are wrong joe, just wrong.....:)

btw--brunell had just as many completions last week, as the kansas city chiefs had rushing TDs this week!

lol, so priest holmes didnt score today?

[Skins57]

Brunell managed to throw as many completions as he did incompletions today

Sorry, couldn't resist. Carry on....


And Ramsey still hasn't taken his job... :D

Had to do it Joe, sorry :Pickle:

[JoeDaSchmoe]

And Ramsey still hasn't taken his job... :D

Had to do it Joe, sorry

Probably because Gibbs is impressed with Brunell avoiding any sacks today. ;)

[hockeygoalie29]

Probably because Gibbs is impressed with Brunell avoiding any sacks today. ;)

or lack of interceptions....

[JoeDaSchmoe]

or lack of interceptions....

Psshhh, Ramsey didn't throw any, either, and he played just as long as Brunell did. ;)

[IowaSkinsFan]

Brunell managed to throw as many completions as he did incompletions today. :D

Sorry, couldn't resist. Carry on....

Don't we already have a thread about this? :)

[dj_stouty]

Brunell managed to throw as many completions as he did incompletions today. :D


:rolleyes:

And Ramsey didn't have a single sack on Sunday...nor did he fumble it...nor did he throw in INT in the Red Zone! Man...he is progressing much better than I thought!

[JoeDaSchmoe]

:rolleyes:

And Ramsey didn't have a single sack on Sunday...nor did he fumble it...nor did he throw in INT in the Red Zone! Man...he is progressing much better than I thought!

Thank God... DJ is finally seeing the light. :D

[Gump84]

Hey, all I know is I'm glad that Brunell didn't single handedly give up a touchdown this week like he normally does :rolleyes:

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

I didn't have to utter even one expletive at Brunell.

[smoak]

I didn't have to utter even one expletive at Brunell.

i didn't HAVE to either... but i did anyway. it felt odd having a sunday where i didn't swear at our offense??

[hockeygoalie29]

And our defense didn't give up any points this week...oh wait, our OFFENSE didn't give up any points this week! AKA for the second time this season, our offense didn't give up more points than our defense!

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

I didn't have to listen to Gibbs praising Brunell and implying that
it's everyone else's fault.

[dj_stouty]

I didn't have to listen to Gibbs praising Brunell and implying that it's everyone else's fault.

That is far from the truth. Gibbs admited on his radio show that Brunell could have been more accurate in several situations. "Brunell overthrew Coles on that one play. We wish we could have gotten that one back." [paraphrasing]

Unlike you guys...Gibbs actually knows a bit about offenses, and realizes that there are more working "parts" to an offense other than just the QB.

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

That is far from the truth. Gibbs admited on his radio show that Brunell could have been more accurate in several situations. "Brunell overthrew Coles on that one play. We wish we could have gotten that one back." [paraphrasing]

Unlike you guys...Gibbs actually knows a bit about offenses, and realizes that there are more working "parts" to an offense other than just the QB.

I disagree on most everything you said..but whatever.

[dj_stouty]

I disagree on most everything you said..but whatever.

OK...lets break it down.

Gibbs did give some of the blame to Brunell this week. FACT
Gibbs does know more about offenses than you do. FACT
Gibbs knows that offensive success or failure is not indicitive of one person. FACT


Whatever...

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

OK...lets break it down.

Gibbs did give some of the blame to Brunell this week. FACT
Gibbs does know more about offenses than you do. FACT
Gibbs knows that offensive success or failure is not indicitive of one person. FACT


Whatever... Yes,Gibbs did "finally" give some of the blame to
Brunell. Gibbs knows more about offenses than I do...umm yeah..you're
point being what? And finally..yes, offensive success or failure is not
"ALWAYS" indicitive of one person..but there can be one person who
can be the key contributor in the success or failure of an offense.

[Keino]

Ya know there is only one game where I feel the Offensive ineptitude can be blamed on Brunell and we won that game. To say that Brunell Singlehandedly gave up points in prior weeks is blatently false. The Tampa Bay Fumble his own linemen stepped on his foot, but I'll grant that a SMART QB should've eaten the ball and lived for another play. Both of his INTs were tipped at the line if memory serves correctly and How anyone can blame the Ravens Blindside Sack and fumble on him is beyond me when that was clearly the fault of Ladell Betts.

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

I never mentioned Brunell's turnovers etc. I just meant his physical
limitations are holding us back. If it was just a matter of him learning
the system..I would be patient. But it's not that..at least not entirely.
He physically cannot perform anymore..and unfortunately, no amount
of time in the system will correct that.

[dj_stouty]

I never mentioned Brunell's turnovers etc. I just meant his physical
limitations are holding us back. If it was just a matter of him learning
the system..I would be patient. But it's not that..at least not entirely.
He physically cannot perform anymore..and unfortunately, no amount
of time in the system will correct that.

He seemed physically able to perform in the preason, as well as the regular season games leading up to the Browns game. Don't you think his hamstring injury has anything to do with his performance the last 2-3 games? Even a little bit?

His arm wasn't lacking when he hit DMC on a fly pattern in the preason. I just don't bye the notion that all of a sudden, he isn't fit to perform, and he can never get back to playing well again.

[Gump84]

His best performance of the season, against the Cowboys, although it was mostly on 3 long passes, was immediately after his hamstring injury.

[hockeygoalie29]

He seemed physically able to perform in the preason, as well as the regular season games leading up to the Browns game. Don't you think his hamstring injury has anything to do with his performance the last 2-3 games? Even a little bit?

His arm wasn't lacking when he hit DMC on a fly pattern in the preason. I just don't bye the notion that all of a sudden, he isn't fit to perform, and he can never get back to playing well again.

Actually, he didn't look good in either the preseason or before the Browns game. He's looked washed up all year. Just slightly not as bad as his competition.

[PyroGenic]

there are more working "parts" to an offense other than just the QB.

yeah but it would be nice to have a working QB

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

He seemed physically able to perform in the preason, as well as the regular season games leading up to the Browns game. Don't you think his hamstring injury has anything to do with his performance the last 2-3 games? Even a little bit?

His arm wasn't lacking when he hit DMC on a fly pattern in the preason. I just don't bye the notion that all of a sudden, he isn't fit to perform, and he can never get back to playing well again. You think he performed well in the preseason?

[Keino]

You think he performed well in the preseason?

Do you think anyone outperformed him? Thats a better question.

[dj_stouty]

Actually, he didn't look good in either the preseason or before the Browns game. He's looked washed up all year. Just slightly not as bad as his competition.

Well, Brunell threw 56.5% in the preseason versus Ramsey's 44.8%. When it comes to preaseason performances dictating a starting spot, I don't think 11.7% more completions is far from "slight".

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

Do you think anyone outperformed him? Thats a better question.
And the answer to that question is no. No one out performed Brunell
during preseason.

[Spence]

I completely support replacing Brunell with a better quarterback. Unfortunately, a better quarterback is not on the roster.

[dj_stouty]

You think he performed well in the preseason?

Yeah...I did. And noticably better than Ramsey. Maybe Ramsey's poor performances in the preseason made Brunell's play seem better than it was.

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

Yeah...I did. And noticably better than Ramsey. Maybe Ramsey's poor performances in the preseason made Brunell's play seem better than it was.Ha ha ha..could be. Unfortunately, Mark hasn't
played well in the regular season.

[dj_stouty]

Ha ha ha..could be. Unfortunately, Mark hasn't
played well in the regualr season.

I'm not disputing that either.

So...we know Brunell played "well" (not great) in the preseason. (56.5% completions with 74.0 passing rating). And we know Ramsey played "poorly" in the preseason. (44.8% completions with 52.16 passer rating)

We know that Brunell has played pretty poorly this regular season. (51.2% completions with 69.8 passer rating) We also know that Ramsey played pretty poorly in the 2nd half of the Giants game. (50% completions with 55.6 passer rating, including 3 interceptions, 3 sacks and 1 lost fumble in less than one half)

Gibbs has two options.

1. Keep in his poorly playing QB after the team stopped a 4-game losing streak, retool the offense to better protect him, and restructure some of the WR routes for the best possible separation vs. Green Bay.

2. Bench your QB after the team stopped a 4-game losing streak for someone who has statistically played WORSE in the preseason and Regular season, AND...retool the offense to better protect him, and restructure some of the WR routes for the best possible separation vs. Green Bay.

Both options include addressing and fixing problems in the pass protection, as well as with the wr routes. Why would Gibbs put the burden of starting a brand new QB with limited practice time, and someone who essentially has played worse than the current starter in the exact same system?

For me (and apparently Gibbs), this is a no-brainer...

[Keino]

DJ I think that is the post of the year.

[Spence]

I doubt any new protection schemes will reduce Patrick Ramsey's propensity to take sacks until he develops two things:

1] awareness of the rush;
2] willingness to throw the ball away.

[JoeDaSchmoe]

Aaaagh.... Jiminy Christmas, y'all, this is supposed to be a joke thread. As in, joke, ha ha ha, knee-slapper, that's a good one, boss. If you wanna have a serious debate, have it in the debate thread, mmkay?

[dj_stouty]

Aaaagh.... Jiminy Christmas, y'all, this is supposed to be a joke thread. As in, joke, ha ha ha, knee-slapper, that's a good one, boss. If you wanna have a serious debate, have it in the debate thread, mmkay?

Then why did you start a whole new thread for a joke? You knew it would turn "dark"! :D

Plus...we now have 3 pages of posts on Brunell/Ramsey that should be in the 400+ post, record breaking thread!

[JoeDaSchmoe]

Then why did you start a whole new thread for a joke? You knew it would turn "dark"! :D

Plus...we now have 3 pages of posts on Brunell/Ramsey that should be in the 400+ post, record breaking thread!

Because I wanted a seperate joke thread, of course. This way, I can needlessly blame random things on Brunell and make nice little sarcastic comments without the threat of having my posts examined from every possible angle for truth or accuracy (hey speaking of accuracy... ;) ).

Now out with you! Unless, of course, you have a good joke.

[RoanokeSkin]

2] willingness to throw the ball away.


That is definitely one thing Brunell has. If he got credit for completions to guys standing on the sideline, his completion percentage would be 80%.

[JoeDaSchmoe]

No more debate! Take it to the debate thread! Don't make me get Mark Brunell to throw a dozen balls at your head to get you to leave... you'll get hit at least once!

[Skins57]

I agree with Joe this was to be a fun thread away from the bickering of the debate thread.