Kenyatta Jones CUT; OL Vaughn Parker signed

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

this is according to john keim over at CPND.....

[PennSkinsFan]

Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A61674-2004Oct25.html) Post already reported it

[Spence]

My theory is that Gibbs is trying to scare his players a bit. First Rasby. Now Jones. He wants to put a little fear in them.

[smoak]

i don't understand this one??? can anyone explain it to me? i thought jones played well in preseason and the opener?

[#1SkInSfAn]

I thought he was an alright tackle but I guess not. The way the article made it sound is that were trading one injury for another.

[smoak]

My theory is that Gibbs is trying to scare his players a bit. First Rasby. Now Jones. He wants to put a little fear in them.

is that gibbs' style? i was too young during his first stint to care about minor personnel transactions, but this seems so odd? gibbs' is usually loyal to a fault?

[LATrueRedskin]

I think it's Gibbs shaking it up a bit as well. Let these guys know they can be gone if they don't play like they're supposed to.

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

Gibbs' may be doing this to shake things up a bit..but Parker(if healthy) is
a significant upgrade over Jones.

[PennSkinsFan]

Yeah, I would not cry too hard about this. If Buges thinks Parker will block better and do a better job, far be it for me to complain. It is notliek Kenyatta Jones has been consistent. Signals are flaring!

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

i see that parker is more experienced, but i dont know anything about him. im interested to see if parker has fully recovered from his knee injury.

[Spence]

is that gibbs' style? i was too young during his first stint to care about minor personnel transactions, but this seems so odd? gibbs' is usually loyal to a fault?Gibbs is loyal to some players. He wouldn't be loyal to some guy like Kenyatta Jones, with whom he has no history whatsoever.

People always misjudge Gibbs. His softspoken nature fools them. This is the same guy who told John Riggins and Joe Theismann to get lost in the same summer. Gibbs is as cold-blooded as any of 'em.

[LuvSkins17]

The FO is killin' my depth on Madden 05'...... Killin' me........ :cry:

[dj_stouty]

This is a clear sign to the O-line...

Block both the run and the pass while staying healthy and there is a spot for you on this team.

Don't? And you can watch NFL Direct TV on Sundays with the fans...

[PA Skins Girl]

Vaughan Parker? Who's that?

As far as Kenyatta, didn't he have an issue with his former coach (I dont remember which team)? Some sort of shouting match on the sideline or something? Maybe he has a problem with authority. Maybe there is a story here that we dont know about.

[whitskins]

This seems to be a clear signal that the coaching staff believes our offensive woes are due to the problems on the O-line. Hopefully they are right and Brunell will start playing better with these changes. We shall see.

[dj_stouty]

Maybe he has a problem with authority. Maybe there is a story here that we dont know about.

No need for "those" types...

I remember hearing that Iffy had a problem with the coahces once. Once was enough...

[hail2skins]

I think this is to shake things up as well but I can also see this is a way for coaches to see if there is anything out there we could use. I wonder if Kenyatta was told to stay close by like Ola was.

[dj_stouty]

I think this is to shake things up as well but I can also see this is a way for coaches to see if there is anything out there we could use. I wonder if Kenyatta was told to stay close by like Ola was.

Does that mean Mark Wilson becomes the backup to Ray Brown? (Or Molinaro?)

[hail2skins]

That's a good question DJ. I'm not sure.

[Skinz4lyfe]

Does that mean Mark Wilson becomes the backup to Ray Brown? (Or Molinaro?)

At least until Parker learns the plays, I assume so. Is this the same Vaughn Parker played tackle for the Chiefs years ago? Is so, he is good but a little on the "experienced" side. He can provide some depth and leadership on the line. I think that's what Gibbs is looking for, somebody to step in and be a leader. That may be what the line misses most w/Jansen out for the year.

[BIGSEF3]

lets also remember that parker was on an 0-line that allowed LaDainian Tomlinson to rush for 1683 yards and receive for 489 yards in 2002. thats 135.75 total yards per game.

when jones was playing for the patriots, they didnt really have a running game to speak of at all.


if you ask me, this is an EXCELLENT move by joe gibbs. I know it will take a while for him to learn the system here, but when parker starts playing, expect portis to consistantly put up some big numbers!

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

lets also remember that parker was on an 0-line that allowed LaDainian Tomlinson to rush for 1683 yards and receive for 489 yards in 2002. thats 135.75 total yards per game.

when jones was playing for the patriots, they didnt really have a running game to speak of at all.


if you ask me, this is an EXCELLENT move by joe gibbs. I know it will take a while for him to learn the system here, but when parker starts playing, expect portis to consistantly put up some big numbers!

Agreed SEF. I don't think many people realize how significant a move
this signing could potentially be.

[ConradCountry]

I don't agree with the Jones release from a performance stand point, I saw him as a good young reserve o-linemen who was an adequete starter. I cannot say anyting if this was an attitude releasing but I don't like it.

As for Vaugh Parker, it seems that he is injured and old two things that don't mix well but he does provide some depth for us and might be able to push Ray brown for some PT,

I don't think this is Gibbs placing the blame of the offence on the o-line because we all know that Brunell is at fault for a majority of the problems. And replacing the back up RT is not going to make that big of a diffrence on the play of Brunell.

The cutting of Rasby and Jones kind of look like scape goating to me, it gives fans people to blame without blaming the real problem Brunell.

[ihatedallas]

good move..we werent benfetting from kenyetta,and vaughn has got some experince under his belt...I just dont know how ray brown and parker will fit in when jansen gets back..if they both stay we go from struggling to put up 5 good guys to having friedman, ray brown, and parker on the BENCH...

[TexSkin]

Who knows what happened off the field for this to happen. All I know is Gibbs is a mna that can be trusted and Jones poured scalding water over a house guest. So I will just trust Joe. ;)

[JoeDaSchmoe]

and Jones poured scalding water over a house guest.

Whoa, what?

[skinswin]

My theory is that Gibbs is trying to scare his players a bit. First Rasby. Now Jones. He wants to put a little fear in them.

He needs to put some fear in Brunell and bench him.

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

He needs to put some fear in Brunell and bench him.
Lol..lol

[BIGSEF3]

good move..we werent benfetting from kenyetta,and vaughn has got some experince under his belt...I just dont know how ray brown and parker will fit in when jansen gets back..if they both stay we go from struggling to put up 5 good guys to having friedman, ray brown, and parker on the BENCH...

friedman, brown, and parker are all cheap. if we can have those 3 guys on the bench, then we wont have to worry like we did this year when jansen got hurt. aside from that, i really doubt brown will come back next year.

[WRSK1NS]

Very interesting move! I trust Gibbs and Buges beyond the shadow of a doubt.....And as someone said they forgot more about football than I will ever know!

[RedskinsVision]

remember Bugel was the OL coach at SD from 98'-01' and knows Parker very well.. Parker's 34 so he's old and experienced but still should have some years left in him to be a reliable backup once Jansen comes back next year.

K. Jones have had character issues since pouring boiling water over his roommate when in NE.. and he had injury issues where he couldn't shake it off to play.. just like here w/ his ankle.

i don't think he was tough enough and hard working enough for this coaching staff's liking. remember Gibbs saying something to the effect that he's looking for players that will play when they can play, despite injury, so it's fitting Jones is out.. even the games he missed he was never on the injured list cuz the staff felt like he could play if they wanted him to. good move since we're cutting an issue filled 3rd year player for a solid 10 year vet.

[SkinsForLife]

George Michaels just interviewed Buges and asked him about Parker. Buges said he had worked with him before, that Parker was a really smart player. He is a ten year veteran and has always been a starter. From the way Buges talked, it sounded like he really liked him.

[sdredskinsfan]

I don't agree with the Jones release from a performance stand point, I saw him as a good young reserve o-linemen who was an adequete starter. I cannot say anyting if this was an attitude releasing but I don't like it.

As for Vaugh Parker, it seems that he is injured and old two things that don't mix well but he does provide some depth for us and might be able to push Ray brown for some PT,

I don't think this is Gibbs placing the blame of the offence on the o-line because we all know that Brunell is at fault for a majority of the problems. And replacing the back up RT is not going to make that big of a diffrence on the play of Brunell.

The cutting of Rasby and Jones kind of look like scape goating to me, it gives fans people to blame without blaming the real problem Brunell.

Gibbs has been quoted in the Post as saying that the pass protection has been a problem. He has also talked about the importance of not scapegoating anyone. If that were the case, then it would seem obvious that Ramsey would be slated as the starter. The pass protection needs a lot of work. Brunell needs to improve as well.

[ConradCountry]

Gibbs has been quoted in the Post as saying that the pass protection has been a problem. He has also talked about the importance of not scapegoating anyone. If that were the case, then it would seem obvious that Ramsey would be slated as the starter. The pass protection needs a lot of work. Brunell needs to improve as well.

Ramsey did a way better job then Brunell with much worse pass protection last year so I don't buy the pass protection cop out by Gibbs.

The o-line is the easiest place to place the blame for the offensive woes but the o-line has not played bad enough to have Brunell as the worst ranked QB in the league.

[hail2skins]

Ramsey did a way better job then Brunell with much worse pass protection last year so I don't buy the pass protection cop out by Gibbs.

The o-line is the easiest place to place the blame for the offensive woes but the o-line has not played bad enough to have Brunell as the worst ranked QB in the league.

actually Gibbs has placed the blame on the whole offense not just the oline. He said we need better protection and the recievers need to be in the right place. Better protection means everyone that is blocking.

I'm a Ramsey supported but he did a way better job of getting knocked on his butt last season. Yes, he has a great arm but needs to learn to make the right decisions and fast because he doesn't have a lot of mobility.

[bgforever]

The votes are in. The line will have MORE power AND speed, athleticism. Our latest acquisition can move with the best of them, tough and can open the lanes with authority. LT got behind his butt a lot!

[colkurtz]

This guy wasn't playing up to speed. Coaches want to send a message and light some fires. Two players let go in a week. These changes will make the running game better. Let's see if the passing protection leads to a better passing game.

[lakeskin]

Jones was supplanted by 41 yr old ray brown. I defenitely think this is an upgrade to the line.

This move was simply an upgrade in talent more than anything else.

[bgforever]

I metioned the appearance of someone moving in slow motion, maybe I had it wrong, thinking it was Samuels, when in fact it was Jones??? I'd have to look some more, but Jones was at one point supposedly ok??? reality set in I guess and what Buges was needing was a depth person with versatility for a higher impact.

Aw shucks, these boys mean business! Go Skins!

[Patrick]

Gibbs is loyal to some players. He wouldn't be loyal to some guy like Kenyatta Jones, with whom he has no history whatsoever.

People always misjudge Gibbs. His softspoken nature fools them. This is the same guy who told John Riggins and Joe Theismann to get lost in the same summer. Gibbs is as cold-blooded as any of 'em.

12 years ago and that’s after he'd spent a few season with a player(s). He has no loyalty to ANY player at this point. Jones was let go because Bugel saw a better player available. Sending a message is secondary. ..... IMO.

[smoak]

Gibbs is loyal to some players. He wouldn't be loyal to some guy like Kenyatta Jones, with whom he has no history whatsoever.

People always misjudge Gibbs. His softspoken nature fools them. This is the same guy who told John Riggins and Joe Theismann to get lost in the same summer. Gibbs is as cold-blooded as any of 'em.

Yeah, I completely agree. I guess I was more surprised because I didn't hear anything negative about KJ? Well other than his injury...

[PennSkinsFan]

Bottom line, if Kim Helton were making this move, I would question it, but with Buges, the master of offensive lines, making this call, not even a chance to question it. Please remember, from the numerous, the vast amount, the abundent, the large monolithic accumlation, the vast piles, the overwhelming quantity of Mark brunell threads, many arguments centered around brunell not being the ONLY problem, that there are some blocking and protection problems. Don't expect Buges to just sit back, no way, no how. He will get it fixed, and iof player changes it takes, then player changes we have!

[RedskinRyan]

i dont care. i mean, i didnt see it coming, but if your not getting the job done, somebody else will. parker did a fine job in san diego, and im sure he will do that here too. maybe better offensive line play will slightly increase the effectiveness of brunell. although i like this move to make a better line for ramsey.

[Jon Creveling]

What happened? Did Mr. Spriggs miss that promised call from Joe and Joe??? Sounds like it is in fact scapegoating Conrad, atleast to me, who's next Lomas Brown? I thought Bugel had nothing but good things to say about this kid Jones? Is this another no explaination dumping of yet another young backup that had shown some promise? Why dump Jones rather than Molinaro or Wilson to make a spot rather than Jones? I don't buy the sending of message bs either, you want to send a message, why not S-Can Betts and bring up the Sult?

[Meatsnack]

Historically, Joe does not yell at players and he does not ride players. The position coaches set the standard of expectation and let Joe know who is meeting it and who is not. Those who do not get cut. Listen to any old Redskin talk and they will all say the same thing. Joe will not yell at you, he will just let you go flip burgers somewhere.

If you've been listening to Gibbs post-game press conferences you will have heard him repeatedly praise players for playing hurt. Joe values toughness and dedication above talent. Unless I miss my guess, the message to the team is that if you let an ankle keep you out for weeks at a time, you can be replaced. Joe relies on Bubba Tyer to speak the truth and if there was the slightest whiff that Kenyatta was dogging it, well, things like today happen.

[RedskinsVision]

Historically, Joe does not yell at players and he does not ride players. The position coaches set the standard of expectation and let Joe know who is meeting it and who is not. Those who do not get cut. Listen to any old Redskin talk and they will all say the same thing. Joe will not yell at you, he will just let you go flip burgers somewhere.

If you've been listening to Gibbs post-game press conferences you will have heard him repeatedly praise players for playing hurt. Joe values toughness and dedication above talent. Unless I miss my guess, the message to the team is that if you let an ankle keep you out for weeks at a time, you can be replaced. Joe relies on Bubba Tyer to speak the truth and if there was the slightest whiff that Kenyatta was dogging it, well, things like today happen.

right on the money. this is what i posted earlier in this thread as well.. that Gibbs wants players to play when they can and the fact that Jones haven't played much due to an ankle injury that wasn't even on the injury report made it known to the staff that he wasn't working hard enough and not tough enough to be one of Bugel's DirtBags. character issues have been a concern w/ Jones and not playing on an injury the coaches have said he could've played on but didn't, says a lot about him.

[Jon Creveling]

character issues have been a concern w/ Jones and not playing on an injury the coaches have said he could've played on but didn't, says a lot about him.
Nothing against you Vision, please do not take this up the wrong way, but wasn't it the other way around? I could have sworn I had read in print that Jones was taken by complete surprise when they sat him at the Meadowlands in a game time decision? Thought I read Bugel , not Jones offering a quote "big ankle" explaination on the move to Brown facing Gappy? Somewhere I read on this guy Parker that the Skins were interested in August in him? May be a good move? Maybe not, we'll see.

[IMALILTEAPOT]

does anyone know what rank he is in madden

[ConradCountry]

does anyone know what rank he is in madden

83

[dj_stouty]

Nothing against you Vision, please do not take this up the wrong way, but wasn't it the other way around? I could have sworn I had read in print that Jones was taken by complete surprise when they sat him at the Meadowlands in a game time decision? Thought I read Bugel , not Jones offering a quote "big ankle" explaination on the move to Brown facing Gappy? Somewhere I read on this guy Parker that the Skins were interested in August in him? May be a good move? Maybe not, we'll see.

There has been speculation from Bram Weinstein on WTEM that this "injury" of Jones wasn't really an injury at all, and it is Gibbs way of being nice about benching someone. (Similar to the "injury" DMC had prior to game 1)

[Wild Bore]

Why dump Jones rather than Molinaro or Wilson to make a spot rather than Jones?

Maybe it is a vote of confidence for Molinaro and Wilson, and that they have come along much faster than thought. Buges may be comfortable with them at backup.

As to why this happened? Could it be that when he was benched for perfomance after the first game, he developed an attitude? Not going to work anymore. This was definitely a message, we just aren't sure what it was. The team knows, you can bet on it.

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

It's simple folks..Parker despite his age/injury is a much,much more
talented player.

[coleman51]

Jones cannot play...but why did they wait so long.


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[LadyNRedskinsfan]

bugel said that they took jones as far as he could go. i guess they dont see much more potential in him.

[PennSkinsFan]

[QUOTE=coleman51]Jones cannot play...but why did they wait so long.

I am not going to dispute the fact that Buges made a personnel decision, again, I totally 1000% support Joe Bugel and what he is trying to do. If he sees a problem, then he needs to fix it, and apparently he did that. That being said, your statement about Jones not being able to play is simply not true. He did a great job against TB. He did not fare any worse than Dockery. Given that, if Buges needed or felt he needed to make this move, so be it! But to say Kenyatta just plain sucked is dead wrong.

[Jon Creveling]

[QUOTE=coleman51]Jones cannot play...but why did they wait so long.

But to say Kenyatta just plain sucked is dead wrong.
PSF I agree that the kid did not outright suck, and 51 your question part of "why did it take so long" is interesting in that if the kid did sport an attitude or practiced poorly why then did Bugel not size the kid up in camp? Why also wait half way through the bye also the make this move? I had read an report dated August of the Skins and three other teams showing interest in Parker, why did the other three pass on him? Is this dude Parker close to being healthy? What happens now if Brown at 41 breaks down? God forbid Chris gets hurt! Sounds to me like he (Bugel) is giving up on these guys rather than taking the time to coach the kid into a position to play in a sound manner. IF, the rest of the line was kicking ass and Jones was an glaring weakness I'd buy this but nobody other than Chris looks better than last year. I look at it like this, the kid Jones atleast was in tune with the team and what they were doing, or at a minimum atleast what they are trying to do, so why outright dump the guy? Have you local D.C. guys heard anything at all on either Molinaro or Wilson, even if its obvious propaganda?

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

according to a few charger fans, parker is false start waiting to happen. :(

im hoping that was only the case under marty and not buges......

[openallnight]

is that gibbs' style? i was too young during his first stint to care about minor personnel transactions, but this seems so odd? gibbs' is usually loyal to a fault?
If my memory serves me correctly didn't Gibbs cut Alvin Walton like a couple days before the Super Bowl because he was out partying and missed a meeting or something. He did it to send a message to the team about the seriousness of the issue at hand.
Can anybody else corroborate this?