The good of the Cinci game

[ihatedallas]

Brunell should be gone. Dmac was out there on the field! Also cooley seemed to come out of the shadow he's been under since the begining of the year. Hey, a loss is a loss and it still hurts, but now we have hopes of finishing with a respectable record.

[inevitable]

There is no hope of finishing with a decent record.

Our next three opponents have 2 loses combined.

We have 3x that many.

[Redskin006]

this loss doesnt feel as bad as it would have a week ago. i am happy that we have a qb who can throw downfield and open up the field. he can only get better because he hasnt practiced much with the first team. he threw 18-37 for 210 yards in a half of football. thats pretty good numbers. if he would have started im sure the outcome of this game would have been different.

[CarMike]

We have to find a way to get McCants onto the field. end of story!

Cooley had a nice TD catch.

Ramsey looked pretty good after he seemed comfortable.

Our defense never gave up. Didn't allow any points in the second half.

hmmmm thats all I have.

[inevitable]

As much as I thought that Brunell's noodle arm caused defenses to keep 8 guys in the box (which it did no doubt) Our offensive sets cause the same kind of thing to happen.

It seems to me Gibbs has no idea how to run the ball without 2 TE's in the game.

[RedskinsVision]

the record doesn't matter anymore for this year.. it's about the improvement of Ramsey and the Offense. obviously he didn't play lights out and should've had about 5 INT's but at least now we have a deep passing game.

only bad thing about that is our OL is terrible right now.. can't pass deep when the Line isn't giving enough time to throw.. 5 sacks allowed. can't even blame it on Ramsey's stone feet cuz they brought pressure all day. our OL needs to improve and Ramsey must show continued improvement.

this is a time for evaluations and for Gibbs to find out what kinda team he has and what kind of upgrades he must make. i have hope for next year and beyond.

[NamVet4]

The "good" if there is any in a loss, is that hopefully Ramsey will start against the "iggles" - away in the "Stink" - this will be a true test for his maturity. The Defene got a wake up call today, but I can't blame them too much because they were on the field so darn much - so darn early! Ramsey, again if he starts, practices with the 1st team and has got to work on his timing . . .

[AshlynSkins]

but now we have hopes of finishing with a respectable record

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no way we finish with a respectable record, we still have the Eagles (twice), the 8-1 Steelers on the road, the Boys on the road, the Giants, and the Vikings who have a great O' when Moss is playing (and by then he'll be playing) the only game I'll say we win here on out is possibility the 49ers game, anything else is a blessing. This team is horrible, by far worse then a Spurrier coached team imo.

[inevitable]

Sean Taylor played really well.

Besides a few stupid looking efforts to tackle people, he had a nice pic, a really nice clothes-line tackle, and he seemed to be much more comfortable moving around the field.

It's fun to watch him progress, I'll be eager to see how he ends up this year.

[bosshog001]

Time to look for next year. Ramsey gets some snaps to show what he's got, meaningless wins against patsies don't take us into the middle of the draft, DMC shows he can still play. Barrow might play next week....

Brunell packed his bags and was driving home to Jacksonville by halftime.

[ihatedallas]

Repectable to me in 7 wins or above. Which meens if we only lose to philly once, the steelers, and The vikings. Thats still hard but we still might be able to pull it off.

[inevitable]

Brunell packed his bags and was driving home to Jacksonville by halftime.


I wish he'd be driving into the Atlantic so he doesn't take away from our salary cap.

[Dolla Bill]

The good is hard to measure since they were playing an almost prevent defense, but...

1) McCants. The boy can play, and he wants to. Ramsey was looking to him late.

2) Cooley is a legitimate redzone target. Someone needs to remind Gibbs.

3) Portis didn't run much, but when he did he was getting chunks of yardage.

4) Although the D was on the field an awful lot during the first half, the 2nd half adjustments were excellent.

[Ohiofan]

Lots of good ..... for the future. Taylor continues to develop. Gibbs actually saw that DMac can play !!!!! Ramsey will now get his chance to show what potentail he has working closely with Gibbs and ............ BRUNELL IS GONE !!!!!! Overall, a fairly up tempo loss. Also fairly evident tht we need upgrades on the O-line.

There is a lot of potential with this team. Now we can work on fine tuning for next year.

[inevitable]

4) Although the D was on the field an awful lot during the first half, the 2nd half adjustments were excellent.

This is an interesting point, the almost west-coast style of play in the first half had our DB's confused a lot, Smoot and Springs were both getting beat on the 8-12 yard outs. They came out and played well in the second half, but we still didn't get any pressure on Palmer. I can't wait till LaVar is back.

[AshlynSkins]

Now we can work on fine tuning for next year
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our battle cry for years now :banghead:

[bosshog001]

I wish he'd be driving into the Atlantic so he doesn't take away from our salary cap.

Not sure, if the "Reggie Lewis" rule is in football. I hope it is for Brunell's sake or he should be ducking for cover.

[IMALILTEAPOT]

our d in the 2nd half was like the exact opposite of the first half. d mac is a playmaker and all he knows is catching the ball. sean taylor had a great game. but it just hurts, cuz this was almost a shutout to the bengals

[Dolla Bill]

Here is a couple of things I want to see in a shake-up for next week:

1) Obvious change is at QB. Ramsey in, Brunnel out.

2) McCants as 3rd WR, or bench Rod. Rod had a couple of nice grabs, but we need the juice McCants produces on a regular basis. This move could open the eyes of the WR core as a whole who need to be reminded that they must catch the ball.

3) Run Portis, take this undue pressure off of Ramsey.

4) Get Brown out of the game, he is a backup, not a starter. Either of our draft picks need to get in there. Maybe Thomas to center?

5) Mr. Arrington, please get healthy. :)

[inevitable]

but it just hurts, cuz this was almost a shutout to the bengals


The previously 0-4 on the road last run defense in the NFL Bengals :(

Philadelphia is going to destroy us next week and then Pittsburgh is going to be even worse :cry:

[split3clemente]

I keep sayin, put my boiiiiiiii mccants in and good things will happen, hes a gamer and a striaght balla, gibbs needs to get his head out of his ass and put mccants in. ramsey to mccants=touchdown

[Dolla Bill]

Here is a couple of things I want to see in a shake-up for next week:

1) Obvious change is at QB. Ramsey in, Brunnel out.

2) McCants as 3rd WR, or bench Rod. Rod had a couple of nice grabs, but we need the juice McCants produces on a regular basis. This move could open the eyes of the WR core as a whole who need to be reminded that they must catch the ball.

3) Run Portis, take this undue pressure off of Ramsey.

4) Get Brown out of the game, he is a backup, not a starter. Either of our draft picks need to get in there. Maybe Thomas to center?

5) Mr. Arrington, please get healthy. :)


6) Cut out the stupid penalties.

[inevitable]

Why does everyone here think McCants is the second coming?

The guy isn't going to prevent sacks, he isn't going to make Gibbs run Portis more, he isn't going to make Gibbs run three reciever sets any more frequently, he isn't going to prevent penalties, he won't be able to pressure the QB and he won't be able to make missed FG's

The problems of this team extend far beyond any little thing Darnarian McCants from the University of Delaware can do.

[bgforever]

You got it guys, all "6' of those things and continued improved ST play against the Eagles (Thrash knows the personnel), should help make us more competitive.

We should look forward to the team representing better, but no big time expectations so soon. It's a matter of getting ready for what the team should look like going into 2005. We'll take the good chances in the division, hopefully the conference, for now, but that would be gravy at this point.

I am emotionally drained and now see the only way for a healthy remainder of the season is fight in every game like its the last, learn to try to play a perfect game, so that at least that helps, in accruing somethng great, should you not be perfect in the pursuit.

[RedskinsVision]

Why does everyone here think McCants is the second coming?

The guy isn't going to prevent sacks, he isn't going to make Gibbs run Portis more, he isn't going to make Gibbs run three reciever sets any more frequently, he isn't going to prevent penalties, he won't be able to pressure the QB and he won't be able to make missed FG's

The problems of this team extend far beyond any little thing Darnarian McCants from the University of Delaware can do.

i don't think anyone is saying McCants is the next best thing. most of us are fans of his and felt his benching was unwarranted because on the field the guy makes plays (although it's evident he lost out to Thrash and Jacobs cuz he can't play ST's). he was tied for team lead with 6 TD's last year but have hardly seen the field since. when given the chance he has performed. no one's saying he should replace Coles. but he outta be playing more cuz Gardner isn't getting the job done.

and oyea.. he's from Delaware State. :D

[inevitable]

and oyea.. he's from Delaware State. :D

Bloops ;)

I agree he has talent, but I don't think having TO or Marvin Harrison or Randy Moss would make much difference when every reciever we have is double covered with our stupid sets.

[LATrueRedskin]

I was impressed with the fight of this defense. Something was obviously wrong during the first half, and Williams and Co. righted the ship and got down to business and kept us in the game.

[split3clemente]

Why does everyone here think McCants is the second coming?

The guy isn't going to prevent sacks, he isn't going to make Gibbs run Portis more, he isn't going to make Gibbs run three reciever sets any more frequently, he isn't going to prevent penalties, he won't be able to pressure the QB and he won't be able to make missed FG's

The problems of this team extend far beyond any little thing Darnarian McCants from the University of Delaware can do.

Delaware State, and mccants is da man

[smoot]

lol MC CANTS!!!

[Jimreaper007]

Churchill said of the Royal Air Force after the battle of Britain:

"Never has so much been owed by so many to so few"


After watching Brunell for 9 weeks I lost hope. Seeing number #11 run on to the field restored my hope. Ramsey brought the hope back to the 91K at the stadium and the millions of skins fans watching on TV.

I know Ramsey is going to struggle, but he can throw the football and I gotta give the kid props for his toughness.

Gibbs first season he went 8-8

If we can pull that off...that would be a great start

[Jimreaper007]

Lost in all of this was the fact that G. Williams shut the Bengals down in the from the 2nd quarter on.

[ConradCountry]

Sean Taylor finally looked like the guy we drafted picking passes off and laying the lumber on Rudi {the close line and head hit on 3rd down.}

[CowboyKilla]

Ramsey !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[guinness4health]

i don;t think the defense gave up any first downs in the last 25 minutes of the game... they played quite well after struggling early on...but i can blame them the offense did nothing in the first 22 minutes of the game....

DMAC looked great, cooley caught a tough pass for a TD, hopefully ramsey can get some timing this week and connect on a couple of those deep passes

[LuvSkins17]

The Good....

Ramsey got in without Brunell getting killed...
McCants got in and preformed....

Oh and I didn't run outta Cold Chilly Ones... :cry:

[Apache]

Gibbs needs to stick with Ramsey at this point. It's funny how when he first came in last year how all the commentators were saying how good he was and that he is going to be a good QB. The he got beaten up so bad because the OL allowed it. Here we are again with the OL. Do you think it was the OL all along with Brunnell? As far as I'm concerned at this point is sticking with Ramsey to see if he will measure up to actually being our future. There seems to be a lot of good young QB's out there doing good things like in Pittsburgh and Cinci. I keep asking myself, why we can't have that kind of talent but, what I noticed yesterday with Carson was he had all day to make throws because their OL knew they had to protect as they have already played the top D's so they were ready for us. One thing I'd like to mention though is they walked all over us it seemed but, could still only get their 17 points and nothing more. Good job "D", coulda been worse. I am looking forward to seeing how the RAM will pan out in the second half of the year. We don't need anymore Heath reminders just results and your chance to shine.

[bgforever]

Apache, Ramsey also has a higher point output per game than Brunell, prior to this. He threw some interceptions last year, but he threw MORE TD's. (14-9). He made some plays last year that served notice, that given time to throw, he hits above the 60+% mark. He will get far more better being involved the first team offense and getting probably ALL of the snaps or 90% , so Hasselbeck gets a few as well.

I have no doubt Brunny's a goner after the season's over, we will yet again eat some measure of his contract and move on from there. It isn't likely or hopefully even necessary to look to the draft for a another player at QB to build on. If we did, he'd be in the area of another QB already in a backup role on another team. We need to get some O Line help quick, as well as a DE that just plain out screws up offenses. I always thought Daniels was a stretch, and never agreed to bringing Brunell, let alone the lofty contract, but I trusted Gibbs. Well people make mistakes.

Joe Gibbs is forgiven, as far as I am concerned, but Mark Brunell for all he has come to be before this year, I just can't bring myself to it. Any man knows his worth and he is the most SELFISH QB we ever had period (ok second to Jeff George, a real LOSER!)

[RedskinRyan]

i came back from work a few plays before walt harris got a pick before the first half started, so this is what i saw from the game:

1.) Taylor needs more practice tackling - i didnt see his INT, but how many 1 arm tackles did he try to make? atleast 4, and the only one that worked was the clothesline on johnson. he needs to learn to wrapup and not worry about the big hit when we are down by 17.

2.) Ramsey needs a little time - it just felt better watching him play rather than brunell. but he still wasnt great and was lucky he didnt throw 5 int's. some of his throws were bad, but some good ones too. he did a great job protecting the ball though when the pressure came and there was no escape. but there were still too many drops

3.) Get McCants more playing time - i didnt see him drop anything, and he made nice catches. TJ dropped a few i think.

4.) beautiful grab by coles at one point. i think ramsey was just throwing it out of bounds but coles made a nice leaping catch.

[PennSkinsFan]

the record doesn't matter anymore for this year.. it's about the improvement of Ramsey and the Offense. obviously he didn't play lights out and should've had about 5 INT's but at least now we have a deep passing game.

only bad thing about that is our OL is terrible right now.. can't pass deep when the Line isn't giving enough time to throw.. 5 sacks allowed. can't even blame it on Ramsey's stone feet cuz they brought pressure all day. our OL needs to improve and Ramsey must show continued improvement.

this is a time for evaluations and for Gibbs to find out what kinda team he has and what kind of upgrades he must make. i have hope for next year and beyond.


Good points. At this point, I think your right. Axe said int he post game comments he heard Gibbs say that he is willing to look at any and all things to step up for improvement. he is obviously getting upset with how the team can come out so flat. They need to concentrate on developing Ramsey, developing the relationship between Ramsey and Gibbs, and renewing the relationship between Ramsey and the receivers. Gibbs made the move for a reason and i dont see him moving back. I think he is looking forward, and seeing what, irf anything, Patrick can provide for the future. This i believe is going to be the evaluation period for the future of the QB spot while Gibbs is here.

[lakewinola]

Finally with Brunell out we can make a run. We all know that we have a championship caliber defense, and that if our offence could just give us around 3 tds a game we'd be talking playoffs right now. If Ramsey can have a good week of practice I think we can beat the eagles, their offence has not looked good the last two weeks. The best thing that came out of this game is Ramsey. I believe that he can turn the offence around, make portis more effective by lengthening the field of play past 5 yards. If he can throw off that rust every #2 QB has this late in the season, I think we can still turn this around and get to 8-8 and if Ramsey really starts playing well, to win out.