Gibbs Press Conference (Qb Situation )

[mexskins]

He just said that it would be a good idea to give Patrick a chance to start next week.

Hail from Mexico !!!

[ihatedallas]

sounds good to me!

[Redskin006]

he finally admitted that brunell wasnt getting it done. he also talked about how penalties are killing us.

[RedskinsVision]

Joe Gibbs praised Ramsey for being poised. said it was a tough situation for him to be in and that he tried to make plays and made some good throws.

also said, "it's probably a good idea to give Patrick another chance in there" or something close to that. and that he's "seen enough of Brunell to know what he has".

may the Ramsey believers vs. skeptics begin.

[inevitable]

Yeah, it would be pretty stupid to say anything except "Brunell is an a$$hat who can't complete 2 yard flare passes"

About time he let Brunell rot in his geriatric old folks home of misery.

[CarMike]

sounds good to me.

One thing I hate for Ramsey is this. He has to go into Philly and Pittsburgh in his next two games. neither one of those will be a easy place to play.

I hope he plays well enough to stay the starter for the remainder of the season. Even if we do continue to lose....

by what you guys are sounding, Gibbs is pissed with Brunell.....

[Dolla Bill]

sounds good to me.

One thing I hate for Ramsey is this. He has to go into Philly and Pittsburgh in his next two games. neither one of those will be a easy place to play.

I hope he plays well enough to stay the starter for the remainder of the season. Even if we do continue to lose....

by what you guys are sounding, Gibbs is pissed with Brunell.....

Pissed? Or embarrassed that he believed in him for so long?

[mexskins]

He just said that Mc Cants is a playmaker and that he is making plays at practice.

Hail from Mexico

[inevitable]

One thing I hate for Ramsey is this. He has to go into Philly and Pittsburgh in his next two games. neither one of those will be a easy place to play.

I don't think anyone can expect us to go into Philadelphia, then into Pittsburgh, and have a remote chance of winning.

The true question for me is how long Ramsey can keep our offense on the field, and how few turnovers he will make

I seriously doubt coming out of Philadelphia or Pittsburgh with fewer then 28 points scored on us each game.

How many points will Ramsey be able to put up for us? If he can get 20 in either game, then its a victory for me.

Because right now we are being outcoached and out-offensed by every team left on our schedule (except for 'girls and 49ers)

[AshlynSkins]

He just said that Mc Cants is a playmaker and that he is making plays at practice

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and this took Gibbs this long to realize this? if he has been making plays inpractice why wait until the 9th game to insert him in the line-up, for that matter even dress the guy, Gardner needed to sit along time ago, McCants proved he was a player last season.

[RedskinsVision]

carmike.. i think it's a good thing we're playing the Eagles then the Steelers.. the playoffs are a lost cause now so it's time to see what we have in this team and what we need to do next year. this will show what Ramsey has against the best teams in the league. so i'm excited to see how he does against all odds.

the Ramsey nay-sayers will say that he's under 50% passing (27/55) and 5 INT's in what amounts to a game and a half. Ramsey will make his share of mistakes.. he's only 25. we need to be patient for this year and just look for steady improvement. and let him loose next year w/ a half season under Gibbs' guidance and the offseason to come.

[bgforever]

Seeing McCants name on my screen - well my wife heard it all the way through the house!!!!!

Ramsey showed yet again that even coming in cold, he's able to generate points, offensive drives, and gets his "team" involved immediately, Portis sure will benefit from this. It forces the defense to reduce who's in the box, and if they don't respect it, there will be completions,and big runs.

[silverspring]

Iif ramsey was in the whole game and gibbs ran a balanced offense maybe even a little more portis then ramsey's arm we would have owned it out there. Ramsey's last int doesn't count in my book. You can't mix desperation with a rusty qb and have any expectations. I believe gibbs put mccants in because he is probably who ramsey has been throwing to in practice and thought it would make him comfortable. ramsey generates tds plain and simple. i won't pretent that he doesn't also throws interceptions, but that could still be chalked up as inexperience. gibbs' play calling lost this game though with or without brunell. he should have been pounding the ball on the ground in the first half. was he trying some trick offense? As in the skins have an incredible running game and thats it, the bengals have a horrible run defense so lets not run it much cause they won't expect it?? odd. When he got behind i understood that he threw it, but you still need to run the ball a little especially when the guy running it is the only proven thing in our O and the guy at the helm is rusty.

[Jimreaper007]

McCants may not be a practice player, but he is definitely a gamer

He needs to play and so does Jacobs...

[Jimreaper007]

I don't think anyone can expect us to go into Philadelphia, then into Pittsburgh, and have a remote chance of winning.

The true question for me is how long Ramsey can keep our offense on the field, and how few turnovers he will make

I seriously doubt coming out of Philadelphia or Pittsburgh with fewer then 28 points scored on us each game.

How many points will Ramsey be able to put up for us? If he can get 20 in either game, then its a victory for me.

Because right now we are being outcoached and out-offensed by every team left on our schedule (except for 'girls and 49ers)


I agree

That is why Ramsey should have started the detroit game....


especially since Brunell got banned from throwing in the 2nd half

[whitskins]

Our season has just been reborn with a new goal: finding out if Ramsey is our QB of the future. I'm just hoping that he plays well, keeps us in games, and gets us over 20 points here and there.

If we can finish the season 4-3 I'd jump through the roof.

[fent]

Didn't catch all of it, but he did say Ramsey was officially the starter next week.

[smoot]

sweet, maybe we can break 20

[Redskinfan28]

I was impressed with ramsey. However, it does not really matter who starts at QB b/c our O line can't pass block. Ray Brown gets beat on almost every play and the interior can't seem to find out who to block.

[smoot]

one thing that all of the ramsey bashers have neglected to mention is that when ramsey is in the game, we have outscored opponents by a score (im guessing) of 20-0

[split3clemente]

just get ramsey and mccants out there and we straight. take brown out give one of those youngsters a chance, we already have 6 loses and 2 games vs philly and 1 vs pitt, we needa start lookin toward next season becasue even the biggest optimist in the world cant see a playoff birth for us

[smoot]

its not impossible for us to go 9-7 and with the looks of the NFC that would get us into the playoffs

[whitskins]

its not impossible for us to go 9-7 and with the looks of the NFC that would get us into the playoffs

Eh, I'm not holding my breath on that but if we can win 4 of our last 7 and Ramsey can prove that he is our QB of the future I will break down in tears of joy.

[smoot]

thanks for the link rv

[smoot]

yeah, if this season ends with ramsey tearing up the league, i will be estactic to no end for next year

[CarMike]

merged

[smoot]

whoah, carmike your merging it messed up the post order bigtime, wierd

[hail2skins]

I see the Ramsey supporters are enjoying themselves. I'm going to reserve judgement on him until I see a team gameplan against him. He made some throws and he made some mistakes. Not what I think his supporters were expecting. The Bengals were sitting in soft zones when he came in basically to protect their lead. They weren't really attacking him like they did Brunell but yet they did get to him. I thought it was bad for Gibbs to bring him into that situation. Down 17-0 and no momentum at all.

I hope Ramsey succeeds but I root for whoever is in there starting. I'm not going to wish injury on anyone so that another player can get in. Only time will tell us what we have with this team.

[Jimreaper007]

Brunell had 9 games to stink

Ramsey so far has had 4 quarters if you throw in the one quarter he had in the giants game.

Ramsey gets at least the rest of this season to stink considering he came in this game and has better numbers than Brunell had in the first 9 games.

[hail2skins]

Ramsey gets at least the rest of this season to stink considering he came in this game and has better numbers than Brunell had in the first 9 games.

That's what you think. I don't think Gibbs would have a problem pulling him if he winds up playing like or worse than Brunell.

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

That's what you think. I don't think Gibbs would have a problem pulling him if he winds up playing like or worse than Brunell.

I agree Hail..but I don't think he can play worse than Brunell.
Which isn't saying much....

[hail2skins]

I agree Hail..but I don't think he can play worse than Brunell.
Which isn't saying much....

We'll see. The stadium was very quiet after Ramsey had several series and wasn't doing well. He calmed down and made some throws but like I said, he was throwing into a soft zone. I actually felt bad for him being thrown in there like he was but the big Ramsey supporters got what they wanted. Let's see how long they remain loyal to him.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

i still cant wait to play the eagals next week. i want to see what this team is made of. ramsey had success against the eagals last year. i wonder if he can do it again. the key to the game today was that we got behind and we got behind early. that took us away from our #1 weapon in clinton portis. we've got to get the run going early have our defense to play better in the first half than ot did today.

[LATrueRedskin]

i still cant wait to play the eagals next week. i want to see what this team is made of. ramsey had success against the eagals last year. i wonder if he can do it again. the key to the game today was that we got behind and we got behind early. that took us away from our #1 weapon in clinton portis. we've got to get the run going early have our defense to play better in the first half than ot did today.

Agreed. No matter who the QB is, he's not going to be our first weapon. Both quarterbacks played badly because we were down early and forced to pass. I want to see more screen passes to Portis if we can't run the ball with him. Either way, I want Portis with the ball on the majority of the plays.

[RedskinsVision]

We'll see. The stadium was very quiet after Ramsey had several series and wasn't doing well. He calmed down and made some throws but like I said, he was throwing into a soft zone. I actually felt bad for him being thrown in there like he was but the big Ramsey supporters got what they wanted. Let's see how long they remain loyal to him.

it seems like u have something against the "Ramsey supporters".. do u still want Brunell in there? i was a Brunell supporter until he clearly showed us he doesn't have it anymore last week. and now Gibbs have had enough. it must've been a very hard thing for him to do but he knew he had to do it.. it's not like Gibbs had Brunell on a short leash. i'm a supporter of all things Redskins but wants the best players on the field.. and now Gibbs have shown us that the QB out there wasn't.. not saying Ramsey will be better but just that it was time for a change. with Ramsey starting that means Gibbs is now a "Ramsey supporter".. we all should be as well since we were Brunell supporters (well.. some of us) for the first 8 games.

[colkurtz]

Ramsey is going to have to play well enough to keep this position, with no excuses

OR

Gibbs will be giving a press conference next spring, talking about our new #6 [or so] QB draft pick. That's my "realistic slant' on things. Ramsey is going to have to show some good playing this season.

[RedskinsVision]

http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=4370

Gibbs Post-Game:

On Patrick Ramsey (QB, #11)'s performance:
"The first thing is that we put him in a tough situation. You're behind and not playing well, so I think you put pressure on yourself. Obviously he threw a few (poor) passes in there, that when you're trying to make something happen, that's what happens. It's a tough situation to be in. But also, I felt like he made some real good plays. He had real poise, and if you looked at him on the sideline, he was very composed. I felt like he handled it all very well. He got thrown into a tough deal--everything from red ball to throwing the ball downfield. So it was a tough situation for him."

On if he is surprised that Mark Brunell (QB, #8) hasn't regained past form:
"Our whole offensive team has struggled. We know that. I don't know if you can make a lot more of it than that. I feel like when we make a decision to go with a different quarterback--I am reluctant to make a change there--but at this point I felt like it was the smart thing for us to do. I felt that it was right, so I made the change. I know that Mark is disappointed that he didn't play better than he has (in the past). I think we need to see if we can get a lift. I think we know a lot about Mark now. We've seen him play a lot and that's good. Like I said, we'll probably sit down and think our way through it, but in all likelihood, I think it's probably good to give Patrick a chance to see what he can do."

must've been hard on Gibbs to make the switch. if Ramsey falters then we might be having a heck of an offseason trying to get one w/ the salary cap limitations we have.. let's hope Ramsey improves in Gibbs' system.

[CowboyKilla]

Yess!! Orale

[BIGSEF3]

Pissed? Or embarrassed that he believed in him for so long?

i think gibbs stopped beleiving in brunell a long time ago. he just didnt want to admit failure in selecting him in the first place. unless ramsey pans out, gibbs has essentially killed his chances of taking this team to the playoffs in the next few years. brunells cap hit will screw us over.

[IowaSkinsFan]

Pissed? Or embarrassed that he believed in him for so long?

Or that he fleeced us for 8 Million bucks?

This is worse that Deion

[Patrick]

I see the Ramsey supporters are enjoying themselves. I'm going to reserve judgement on him until I see a team gameplan against him. He made some throws and he made some mistakes. Not what I think his supporters were expecting. The Bengals were sitting in soft zones when he came in basically to protect their lead. They weren't really attacking him like they did Brunell but yet they did get to him. I thought it was bad for Gibbs to bring him into that situation. Down 17-0 and no momentum at all.

I hope Ramsey succeeds but I root for whoever is in there starting. I'm not going to wish injury on anyone so that another player can get in. Only time will tell us what we have with this team.

Could not have put it better.

[AGibbsGirl]

We can still go 10-6

Er..Perhaps a bit too optimistic? :D

[hail2skins]

it seems like u have something against the "Ramsey supporters".. do u still want Brunell in there? i was a Brunell supporter until he clearly showed us he doesn't have it anymore last week. and now Gibbs have had enough. it must've been a very hard thing for him to do but he knew he had to do it.. it's not like Gibbs had Brunell on a short leash. i'm a supporter of all things Redskins but wants the best players on the field.. and now Gibbs have shown us that the QB out there wasn't.. not saying Ramsey will be better but just that it was time for a change. with Ramsey starting that means Gibbs is now a "Ramsey supporter".. we all should be as well since we were Brunell supporters (well.. some of us) for the first 8 games.

Can you tell me what makes you think that I have something against the "Ramsey suppporter"? What did I write that made you think that way because I have no clue what it is.

[GolfFreak]

i still cant wait to play the eagals next week. i want to see what this team is made of. ramsey had success against the eagals last year. i wonder if he can do it again. the key to the game today was that we got behind and we got behind early. that took us away from our #1 weapon in clinton portis. we've got to get the run going early have our defense to play better in the first half than ot did today.

I know what you mean, I was thinking the same thing. I'd like to see the entire team play well and I think they can (for once this year).

[RedHokieSkin]

I see the Ramsey supporters are enjoying themselves. I'm going to reserve judgement on him until I see a team gameplan against him. He made some throws and he made some mistakes. Not what I think his supporters were expecting.

Actually I think this is exactly what we were expecting. I doubt there is a single Ramsey supporter on this board that has said Ramsey will play perfectly. We all admit that he will make mistakes but also gives us the opportunity to make some plays. The exciting thing about him is that he gives us the ability to score.

We also see potential in Ramsey. Working with great offensive coaches (and actually playing) will give him the opportunity to grow as a quarterback. He'll make some bone-headed plays in upcoming weeks. But, assuming Joe sticks with him the rest of the year, we should be able to see what we've got there.

Maybe he won't ever improve. But I'd rather know that because we've seen him play a lot in Gibbs offense rather than wondering what could've been next year after he'd been traded.

[RedHokieSkin]

That's what you think. I don't think Gibbs would have a problem pulling him if he winds up playing like or worse than Brunell.

Yeah, but if it takes Gibbs 9 games to figure that out again, then Ramsey will be playing into next season.

[RedHokieSkin]

We'll see. The stadium was very quiet after Ramsey had several series and wasn't doing well. He calmed down and made some throws but like I said, he was throwing into a soft zone.

Unfortunately I didn't get to see the first half, but when I came in in the second half, I didn't see a lot of soft zone. This would imply they were allowing him to complete passes but I didn't see it that way. Defenders were step for step with the receivers 9 times out of 10. This doesn't happen in a soft zone.

[hail2skins]

Actually I think this is exactly what we were expecting. I doubt there is a single Ramsey supporter on this board that has said Ramsey will play perfectly. We all admit that he will make mistakes but also gives us the opportunity to make some plays. The exciting thing about him is that he gives us the ability to score.

I agree with the rest of the post hence I removed it from your quote. I don't know about this part. I did get a feeling that some, not all, of the "Ramsey Supporters" were expecting magic. Poof, our offense is great now.

[hail2skins]

Yeah, but if it takes Gibbs 9 games to figure that out again, then Ramsey will be playing into next season.

good point but maybe, just maybe he won't get that amount of time. Don't forget, the "Hass Supporters" are waiting in the wings. :D

[hail2skins]

Unfortunately I didn't get to see the first half, but when I came in in the second half, I didn't see a lot of soft zone. This would imply they were allowing him to complete passes but I didn't see it that way. Defenders were step for step with the receivers 9 times out of 10. This doesn't happen in a soft zone.

Check the game tapes then. There were times when they played man-to-man but must of the time it was zone or a 2 deep defense.

What I highlighted in bold in your post is a huge problem. Our receivers can't get separation and don't seem to be able to find gaps in zones.

[dj_stouty]

good point but maybe, just maybe he won't get that amount of time. Don't forget, the "Hass Supporters" are waiting in the wings. :D

My section started a "We Want Hasselbeck" chant in the late 4th quarter. I rolled my eyes and told my buddy sitting next to me how ridiculous Redskins fans can be at times.

[hail2skins]

My section started a "We Want Hasselbeck" chant in the late 4th quarter. I rolled my eyes and told my buddy sitting next to me how ridiculous Redskins fans can be at times.

You got that right DJ. I just don't get some fans around here.

[dj_stouty]

You got that right DJ. I just don't get some fans around here.

I also heard a lot of people joking about putting the rest of their games on ebay. (More truth than joke)

Expect A LOT of Giants Blue and Eagles Green in Fed Ex over the next two home games. The season ticket holders have just jumped ship...

[hail2skins]

I also heard a lot of people joking about putting the rest of their games on ebay. (More truth than joke)

Expect A LOT of Giants Blue and Eagles Green in Fed Ex over the next two home games. The season ticket holders have just jumped ship...

That is just pathetic IMO. Some Skin's fans they are.

[PennSkinsFan]

That is just pathetic IMO. Some Skin's fans they are.

I agree. But I think ten years of losing and Gibbs return dropping into a dismal season is just beginning to wear on people. True fans? Probably. Die Hards? No. This is beyond a decade of crappy footballa nd Gibbs returned has not reversed that.

[hail2skins]

It's one season folks. Let's judge Gibbs after a couple.

[PennSkinsFan]

It's one season folks. Let's judge Gibbs after a couple.

Absolutely agree Mike, but liek i said, take us die hards that live and breathe this team out of the pciture, and just looking at the fan base of casual fans, and over a decade of promise after promise, just to watch failure after failure, well, IMO, people are just wearing down. It is too much of the same story for them. There paying big bucks to see a poor product. I woudl be happy to take it off their hands! :)

[hail2skins]

Absolutely agree Mike, but liek i said, take us die hards that live and breathe this team out of the pciture, and just looking at the fan base of casual fans, and over a decade of promise after promise, just to watch failure after failure, well, IMO, people are just wearing down. It is too much of the same story for them. There paying big bucks to see a poor product. I woudl be happy to take it off their hands! :)

I say remove those casuals from the stadium and get more die hards in there. That's just me of course.

[Smiley]

First of all- we do have a chance to beat Philly. Our defense is one of the best in the league. We need to get ahead in a game and I'll bet ya' w'll stay ahead. If we score 10 points before Phiily does, we win. We only need 3-4 drives that get us points in order for us to win, that's it!! As some stated earlier, if we averaged 20 points a game this season we would be 6-3 or 7-2. Philly's defense sucks and I think our defense matches up well with their offense. We need at least 18-20 completions from Ramsey the rest we'll run all over em'. Hail!!!

[Patrick]

First of all- we do have a chance to beat Philly. Our defense is one of the best in the league. We need to get ahead in a game and I'll bet ya' w'll stay ahead. If we score 10 points before Phiily does, we win. We only need 3-4 drives that get us points in order for us to win, that's it!! As some stated earlier, if we averaged 20 points a game this season we would be 6-3 or 7-2. Philly's defense sucks and I think our defense matches up well with their offense. We need at least 18-20 completions from Ramsey the rest we'll run all over em'. Hail!!!


I don't know - I'm really concern about our D. We have taken way to many injury hits and it's starting to show. We gave up 300+ yard to an average offense - Philly has a much better O. This WILL be the toughest test all year and if Griffin can't go ...........

[wewantdallas]

You think the "Hasellbeck" chants were bad, I heard some "We Want Tupa" chants erupting.

Can't blame the fans too much. I got a sense in the stands yesterday that a lot of fans were just trying to laugh about it now, because the alternative is just too painful.

I wanted to say something about Brunell, too. I have to say, I feel real sorry for the guy. Can you imagine what it must feel like to be out on the field and feel the hatred of 80,000 people, knowing that if you're not perfect on every throw, you're going to hear nothing but a chorus of boos?

I mean, of course he deserved the pull, and I was chanting for Ramsey with the rest of the stands, but I hope Brunell doesn't take the whole thing too personally. THat's a big load to dump on someone.

Then again, that $8 million signing bonus should probably soothe any poor feelings...

[NamVet4]

I also heard a lot of people joking about putting the rest of their games on ebay. (More truth than joke)

Expect A LOT of Giants Blue and Eagles Green in Fed Ex over the next two home games. The season ticket holders have just jumped ship...
I just hope somehow they post that they have their tickets available where members of hR can get them without being shellacked and hosed on the price!

[PennSkinsFan]

You think the "Hasellbeck" chants were bad, I heard some "We Want Tupa" chants erupting.

Can't blame the fans too much. I got a sense in the stands yesterday that a lot of fans were just trying to laugh about it now, because the alternative is just too painful.

I wanted to say something about Brunell, too. I have to say, I feel real sorry for the guy. Can you imagine what it must feel like to be out on the field and feel the hatred of 80,000 people, knowing that if you're not perfect on every throw, you're going to hear nothing but a chorus of boos?

I mean, of course he deserved the pull, and I was chanting for Ramsey with the rest of the stands, but I hope Brunell doesn't take the whole thing too personally. THat's a big load to dump on someone.

Then again, that $8 million signing bonus should probably soothe any poor feelings...

I agree, but Brunell's play has been horrendous and he should expect nothing less. It is a fact. You think we "Skins fans are rough, can you imagine if he was in Philly playing that way?

[SkinsGuru]

Where's JoeDaSchmoe???

[wewantdallas]

I agree, but Brunell's play has been horrendous and he should expect nothing less. It is a fact. You think we "Skins fans are rough, can you imagine if he was in Philly playing that way?

You mean those fans who wanted to fire Andy Reid last year and cut Donavan McNabb after last season's third NFC Championship game loss?

Yeah, Brunell would've been sleeping with the fishes by week 2.

[whistleandthumb]

About Gibbs's comments.... FINALLY! Thank you, Joe. Oh, dear Lord, thank you.

About Filthadelphia: They have a VERY suspect run defense, and I think if we can keep from going down 2 or 3 scores early, then we can stick with our gameplan, and let Portis run all over them. If they start putting an extra guy or two in the box, then I have total faith that Ram will unleash a 60 yard bomb downfield to someone.

Remember: Even if Ram doesn't complete the long passes, or one or two get picked off, he's still stretching the defense, which is something Brunell NEVER did, or was capable of doing. This should open up some more running room for Portis.

[Redskinmayhem]

About Gibbs's comments.... FINALLY! Thank you, Joe. Oh, dear Lord, thank you.

About Filthadelphia: They have a VERY suspect run defense, and I think if we can keep from going down 2 or 3 scores early, then we can stick with our gameplan, and let Portis run all over them. If they start putting an extra guy or two in the box, then I have total faith that Ram will unleash a 60 yard bomb downfield to someone.

Remember: Even if Ram doesn't complete the long passes, or one or two get picked off, he's still stretching the defense, which is something Brunell NEVER did, or was capable of doing. This should open up some more running room for Portis.

Very true. Ram might end up being a pick machine for now but I GUARANTEE that because of the THREAT of a gunslinger QB, Portis will be more productive. Just Look at Favre and Green? Why did Ahman suck in Seattle? NO QB...watch for it.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

You think the "Hasellbeck" chants were bad, I heard some "We Want Tupa" chants erupting.

OMG. please tell me you are joking. :doh:

Where's JoeDaSchmoe???
Probably writing a nice, long thank you letter to coach Gibbs! LOL

[RedskinsVision]

Can you tell me what makes you think that I have something against the "Ramsey suppporter"? What did I write that made you think that way because I have no clue what it is.

only cuz u wrote "ramsey supporters" in a couple posts.. it's no big deal and i didn't mean anything by it other than the fact that there's no use in categorizing ourselves as fans anymore (Brunell vs. Ramsey). u did write "i support anyone starting" so i take back my question. i want to see more of a "team" support instead of the favoritism that goes on here sometimes which is natural. although we lost yesterday there was a general good feeling on this board due to the fact we made a change and showed some life in the 2nd half. it was one of those unreal but funny type of moments where we looked dead but almost came back so i took solace in that. i like Brunell and wish him the best.. it's really sad to see a star fall off like that.. maybe he'll get another chance if Ramsey does as bad since the rest of the Offense doesn't look any better. but my apologies since there's many others who are so pro-ramsey that they'd bury Brunell in quick sand at first sight which is apalling to read since we're supposed to have the "best" and most knowledgeable fans.

[hail2skins]

only cuz u wrote "ramsey supporters" in a couple posts.. it's no big deal and i didn't mean anything by it other than the fact that there's no use in categorizing ourselves as fans anymore (Brunell vs. Ramsey). u did write "i support anyone starting" so i take back my question. i want to see more of a "team" support instead of the favoritism that goes on here sometimes which is natural. although we lost yesterday there was a general good feeling on this board due to the fact we made a change and showed some life in the 2nd half. it was one of those unreal but funny type of moments where we looked dead but almost came back so i took solace in that. i like Brunell and wish him the best.. it's really sad to see a star fall off like that.. maybe he'll get another chance if Ramsey does as bad since the rest of the Offense doesn't look any better. but my apologies since there's many others who are so pro-ramsey that they'd bury Brunell in quick sand at first sight which is apalling to read since we're supposed to have the "best" and most knowledgeable fans.

Well, the people who were supporting Gibbs decision were classified on a lot of posts, so I used the "Ramsey Supporters" title in my response. No need for apologies, there were differences in opinions and that's what makes this board great. Actually, if people did some research they would see that a lot of the people who supported Gibbs decision are big Ramsey fans as well.

[RedHokieSkin]

I agree with the rest of the post hence I removed it from your quote. I don't know about this part. I did get a feeling that some, not all, of the "Ramsey Supporters" were expecting magic. Poof, our offense is great now.

Yeah, you're right. I can only speak for a majority of the Ramsey supporters here on HR and we all seem to agree that we won't be seeing the "poof" right away. I am expecting the offense to be immediately better...but not necessarily good quite yet.

[hail2skins]

Yeah, you're right. I can only speak for a majority of the Ramsey supporters here on HR and we all seem to agree that we won't be seeing the "poof" right away. I am expecting the offense to be immediately better...but not necessarily good quite yet.

LOL, interesting choice of words. Not sure if it's the majority though. :D

[RedHokieSkin]

LOL, interesting choice of words. Not sure if it's the majority though. :D

Fine. I can speak for myself and JDS then when I say that we won't be poofing. ;)

[hail2skins]

Fine. I can speak for myself and JDS then when I say that we won't be poofing. ;)

LMAO, I'll accept that. :D

[PennSkinsFan]

LOL, interesting choice of words. Not sure if it's the majority though. :D

It is too! Quit being a PUNK!

[hail2skins]

It is too! Quit being a PUNK!

Is this who I think it is. Did I just see you yesterday. I can't call you by your name because it's against our guidelines.

[Axegrinder]

TU-PA , TU-PA , TU-PA , TU-PA !!!!

Just kidding!:D

[TupaFan]

TU-PA , TU-PA , TU-PA , TU-PA !!!!

Just kidding!:D

:lol1: I'm sure Tom wants NOTHING to do with this QB controversy. But, you never know what would happen if he was in there!!

[rskinsfan10]

although we lost yesterday there was a general good feeling on this board due to the fact we made a change and showed some life in the 2nd half.

And that right there almost makes me want to puke. I'm glad I was at the game and not online to see all of this "happy feelings" that were being displayed after a loss.

Let me get this straight, this board was more enjoyable yesterday after a loss then it was after the last two wins?

Unfreakingbelievable.

[RedskinsVision]

And that right there almost makes me want to puke. I'm glad I was at the game and not online to see all of this "happy feelings" that were being displayed after a loss.

Let me get this straight, this board was more enjoyable yesterday after a loss then it was after the last two wins?

Unfreakingbelievable.

i don't think ppl were more happy cuz of a loss. it's the fact that we're now 3-6 and the playoffs should be the last thing on our minds. ppl started talking about evaluating players for next year and beyond. it's not to say ppl have given up on the season.. it's just now time to start seeing everyone else play and see who Gibbs outta bring back.

after the wild season we've endured through it's time to get the pessimism off our arses and try and find hope for the future. i don't think it's bad for fans to finally say enough of the heartaches and find something positive to discuss.. and if Ramsey and McCants playing does some of the alleviating of those pains we've been suffering for the last 12 years, then it's better than moaning and groaning about our struggles for the rest of this season.

[rskinsfan10]

i don't think ppl were more happy cuz of a loss. it's the fact that we're now 3-6 and the playoffs should be the last thing on our minds. ppl started talking about evaluating players for next year and beyond. it's not to say ppl have given up on the season.. it's just now time to start seeing everyone else play and see who Gibbs outta bring back.

after the wild season we've endured through it's time to get the pessimism off our arses and try and find hope for the future. i don't think it's bad for fans to finally say enough of the heartaches and find something positive to discuss.. and if Ramsey and McCants playing does some of the alleviating of those pains we've been suffering for the last 12 years, then it's better than moaning and groaning about our struggles for the rest of this season.

I know exactly why everyone was happy. It was because their wishes were granted with as far as the QB switch was concerned. Let's not be naive about it. I think that it is utterly ridiculous that so called fans would rather pout then celebrate a victory simply because the guy that wish was leading the team wasn't in the game.

I'm all about the wins, regardless of who is in the game. I have evidence that alot of my fellow so called Skins fans aren't however.

[JoeDaSchmoe]

I know exactly why everyone was happy. It was because their wishes were granted with as far as the QB switch was concerned. Let's not be naive about it. I think that it is utterly ridiculous that so called fans would rather pout then celebrate a victory simply because the guy that wish was leading the team wasn't in the game.

I'm all about the wins, regardless of who is in the game. I have evidence that alot of my fellow so called Skins fans aren't however.

I guess, as one of those "so called Skins fans," I should make an attempt to defense my kind. It's not that we're upset because of a win and happy because of a loss, Kenny. We're looking at the bigger overall picture. We believed that Ramsey would provide us with more wins than Brunell. We, like you, are looking at wins and losses, only in a different way.

[Keino]

I guess, as one of those "so called Skins fans," I should make an attempt to defense my kind. It's not that we're upset because of a win and happy because of a loss, Kenny. We're looking at the bigger overall picture. We believed that Ramsey would provide us with more wins than Brunell. We, like you, are looking at wins and losses, only in a different way.

Maybe you are Joe, but there are others in your camp, who have wished injuries on players and got in here imeediately after a win to scream bloody murder. Kenny has a great point. I came in here after the Detroit game to talk about how we just got back into the swing of things and every post seemed to be "Brunell Sucks" as if anyone watching couldn't see that.

I hope when Ramsey plays poorly Im not reading that after a win.

[akhhorus]

TU-PA , TU-PA , TU-PA , TU-PA !!!!

Just kidding!:D

John Friez is still available. Jeff Hostetler is fresh from 7 years off.

[RedskinsVision]

John Friez is still available. Jeff Hostetler is fresh from 7 years off.

Jeff George is still available. and i see that Jay Schroeder is coaching Akili Smith in Cali. Smith said in the few months they've been working together, that he's learned more from Schroeder than he has from the coaches in his first 4 years! and i think Rypien's a QB Coach somewhere right? these veterans can't be that bad...

[IowaSkinsFan]

Speaking of all these old QB's, it made me remember something.

I find this story about Ramsey's immobility somewhat entertaining. It's not like Joe hasn't worked with a QB like Ramsey before. Mark Rypien wasn't exactly Mike Vick back there.