So...After Today

[smoot]

after watching Ramsey today, which of you still believe that Ramsey can lead this team into our future?

[SkinsD]

I believe he can. He didn't play too poorly against a team that has two very good corners (one leads the nfl in INTs). He showed off his arm string and his ability to find the open man. There are some flaws namely accuracy and leadership but I believe he is the future of this team and will bring great success.

A point on Brees. Yes he is having a phenomenal year but remember he has one of the best RBs behind (Im not saying LT is better than portis...) and an extraordinary TE. I think if we picked him up he would be another bust.

[inevitable]

Ramsey can lead this team perfectly fine, but our problems, as shown late in the game, extend far beyond our QB for this offense.

Ramsey played about as well as he could've after he shook off the dust, but the horrible time management, the horrible penalties, the stupid offensive sets (who the hell doesn't run shotgun at that point in time of a game????) etc, are what is going to hold us back for the rest of the season.

[smoot]

A point on Brees. Yes he is having a phenomenal year but remember he has one of the best RBs behind (Im not saying LT is better than portis...) and an extraordinary TE. I think if we picked him up he would be another bust.

actually LT is having a not so good year (for his standards) so brees doesnt really have that excuse

[CarMike]

We need to see what Ramsey does when he has a full week of practice with our #1 offense. So I'll hold off on my vote....

[Chief Seeway]

Rams needs a week or two of taking the majority of snaps in practice. I never really felt he was our QB of the future but I'll give him a couple weeks, hopefully he is.

Todays ugly throws, INT's (4 dropped) isn't a good start but we need to give him a chance to shake the rust off.

[bgforever]

It's a no brainer, no one can expect Ramsey to come in and sling 65%, 300 yds and 3 TD's in 5 minutes, but you know what......he wasn't that far off.

I just can't say the same for the QB he replaced, that was a STARTER.

The "team" responded, all the way around and that was uplifting. He, was able to execute a few plays better than Brunell and the implications were leading to a possible dramatic tie or even victory. He'll have his chance now, with outstanding tuteledge.

[whitskins]

I believe Ramsey will prove himself to be a capable QB for this team, he'll lead us well once he gets to start a game 0-0 and not pull us out of a massive hole. I think that will help cut down on the bonehead throws, and at the end of the game he really started to find his rhythm. I'm praying that he'll prove he is our QB of the future.

[sknz2856]

We need to see what Ramsey does when he has a full week of practice with our #1 offense. So I'll hold off on my vote....

I'm with you....gotta give him a full week of preparation. He played well and will definitely open up the passing game. Gotta worry about the int's a bit...but if it gets 8 or 9 out of the box on every play...that'll help Portis. Anyway...I;m not saying anything that hasn't been said so....'til next week on this subject....

[Jimreaper007]

Folks Ramsey will be fine...

McCants is a playmaker and needs to be on the field...

[LATrueRedskin]

Ramsey needs to be in where he's not down 17 points and HAS to throw the ball in order to close in the game. I think this week we'll see what we really have with Ramsey, when he gets work in in practice and starts off a game 0-0.

[akhhorus]

I would be very careful, Ramsey looked good in the no huddle late in the game. Let's see him look good in a full game before making him the "Chosen One"

[smoot]

I would be very careful, Ramsey looked good in the no huddle late in the game. Let's see him look good in a full game before making him the "Chosen One"

i dont think anybody expects him to be the chosen one but i for one believe that he can still get us to the 500 mark for the season

[techskinsfan]

let him come in from the begininnig, he wont make as many mistakes after a week of prepartion

[split3clemente]

Give ramsey the rest of the season then we can give him a fair assesment

[akhhorus]

i dont think anybody expects him to be the chosen one but i for one believe that he can still get us to the 500 mark for the season

if he can hit some deep balls and move the team, I will be happy with him. He needs to lessen the number of sacks he takes.

[smoot]

i think that he'll improve all of thos ethings with a weeks worth of reps with the first team because most of it is just timing

[RedskinsVision]

Give ramsey the rest of the season then we can give him a fair assesment

we gave Brunell 8 1/2 games so we definitely need to give Ramsey the next 7.

no one here's calling Ramsey the chosen one.. we all saw the Preseason and know he struggled to grasp the system. he's only 25 and will make more mistakes. on a post game interview, Ramsey said he could see the field but wasn't reacting quick enough at first.. that goes w/ rust and the fact he only gets 10% of snaps in practice.

[smoot]

we gave Brunell 8 1/2 games so we definitely need to give Ramsey the next 7.

no one here's calling Ramsey the chosen one.. we all saw the Preseason and know he struggled to grasp the system. he's only 25 and will make more mistakes. on a post game interview, Ramsey said he could see the field but wasn't reacting quick enough at first.. that goes w/ rust and the fact he only gets 10% of snaps in practice.

actually he didnt get any of the reps in practice so there a WHOLE lot of rust

[split3clemente]

ok, brunels gotten his shot and hes sucked, now its time for ramsey, if he sucks we could be looking at 5-11 record or worse folks

if ramsey sucks like brunell has (please God no!!!) then we're in real trouble with this offense, going into next season with no QB is not an ideal situation, of course I have full confidence ram will light the leauge up, gibbs will see what a mistake hes made by not starting him at the beginning of the season and we'll go 14-2 next year led by ramsey

[dabro]

Ramsey came in cold, with little or no reps in practice. He was rusty, at first, but as the game progressed he got better. He showed that he still has a long way to go reading defenses, but for the most part, he played with confidence. The more he plays, the better he's going to get. Ramsey is our best chance to win. Too bad we're going to be playing 3 of our next 5 games against a couple of the best teams in football. Still, with Ram, you're never out of it.

[smoot]

i dont know about 14-2 but hey, that'd be great

i do see us winning a sb by the time gibbs leaves us tho

[dabro]

i dont think anybody expects him to be the chosen one but i for one believe that he can still get us to the 500 mark for the season

Umm, we have to play Pittsburgh once and Philly twice, as well as the Vikes, so let's not get overly excited!

[smoot]

if you didnt notice the vikes have lost 3 straight and that means all we have to do is win one of those other three games, which btw i can see us doing.

my reasoning, the steelers used a great running game, a tough defense, and a solid reciever core to beat the eagles. last i checked, we have all of those things

[smoot]

alright you 3 who voted he was a scrub, stand up to be verbally abused

[IMALILTEAPOT]

i dont know why ur that optimistic, because no matter how u slice it, we arent that good of a football team, and i hate to say it and admit it. our defense is great, but i just dont know if this team can win maybe even like 3 games the rest of the season with the schedule.

[dabro]

if you didnt notice the vikes have lost 3 straight and that means all we have to do is win one of those other three games, which btw i can see us doing.

my reasoning, the steelers used a great running game, a tough defense, and a solid reciever core to beat the eagles. last i checked, we have all of those things

Well, I hope you're right. With all the injuries we have on defense, who didn't look all that great today against a 3 and 5 team, we're going to need the offense to improve substantially. My point is that this may be a challenge we won't be able to overcome at this stage. I'm pulling for them though, and Patrick gives us the best chance to win (along with McCants).

[smoot]

i dont know why ur that optimistic, because no matter how u slice it, we arent that good of a football team, and i hate to say it and admit it. our defense is great, but i just dont know if this team can win maybe even like 3 games the rest of the season with the schedule.

i think that we are a good football team, in fact i believe that were just a quarterback away from being contenders

[bosshog001]

He deserves his shot, lets see what he's got

[smoot]

i really dont want to hear anybody bashing him until next week when hes had a full week's worth of practice with the first team

[gipper]

All Ramsey needs is some decent coaching he busted his butt and got his butt busted last year and proved a lot of heart and that he is tough.give him a chance 7 games left this year and 4 or 5 preseason next year.he will be ready and the recievers better get used to catching a hard thrown ball.change the receiver corps and if you drop passes sit down until you decide it's your job to hold on.get tough with these over paid under achievers the whole offense that is.The whole offense has no pride or fight what so ever.

[SusQhnnaSkin]

Ramsey has what it takes to be a successful QB in this league. Brunell, on the other hand, used to have what it takes to be a successful QB in this league. Ram's weakness may always be throwing more int's than we like to see, but he can get them down to a managable level. With Ram, Redskins have a future. Hope Brunell stays om the bench where he belongs.

[tbfoster1]

with more reps Saint Patrick can lead this team. he started slow but finished strong in the game today so he is already improving IMO, good times are ahead folks.

[colkurtz]

Ramsey will get the rest of the season to show what he has. If he plays well then he keeps the job and gets an (new) veteran QB to be his BACKUP next season.

If he continues to play very inconsitently or throws lots of picks - this may force the team to consider their #1 draft pick for a rookie QB. At the rate we're going it will be a VERY HIGH draft pick - AGAIN!@x^&

My guess is that Ramsey will play well enough to play this season and next. This will allow our draft and FA efforts to get better OL and DE players. Especially the OL - we need major upgrades there, since I predict Samuels will walk for more money elsewhere.

[PGiddy18]

Maybe I'm being the optimist (it could be due to the fact that I didn't actually SEE the game, and read about it afterwards) but I don't care if you are Patrick Ramsey, Dan Marino or the GREAT Joe Montana, people always perform better when they are not being FORCED to make plays and dig your team out of a 17-0 hole. Put Ramsey into a game when the score is 0-0, where EVERYTHING is up to him where its an even playing field and where he doesn't have to be perfect all of the time! Yes, with ramsey, you will get more interceptions. But you got something from him today that you haven't gotten from Brunell in the past 2 games, and that is something called a Touchdown PASS (look at clinton portis last week for an example..true not the prettiest thing in the world, but it accomplished what it was supposted to) Ramsey is the QB of the future of this team, lets give him one WHOLE game THIS season to let him prove it. He did fairly well last year against Philly in PHILLY, lets hope he can connect on the 2 pnt conversion this time...

[akhhorus]

Wilbon's quote from a NFC defensive player in his column sums up our QB situation:
"They've got one guy who can run a team, call a game, read every defense, but can no longer make any of the tough throws, and another guy who can make every throw, take a pounding, but can't see the field and make the reads."

[LATrueRedskin]

Wilbon's quote from a NFC defensive player in his column sums up our QB situation:
"They've got one guy who can run a team, call a game, read every defense, but can no longer make any of the tough throws, and another guy who can make every throw, take a pounding, but can't see the field and make the reads."

I sense a scientific experiment for this occasion.

[akhhorus]

I sense a scientific experiment for this occasion.

It like a Giants fan used to tell me, they always wanted to merge Kent Graham head with Dave Brown's body. Maybe grafted Mark Brunell's head on Ramsey's body would be in order. Get Snyder on it immediately.

[LATrueRedskin]

It like a Giants fan used to tell me, they always wanted to merge Kent Graham head with Dave Brown's body. Maybe grafted Mark Brunell's head on Ramsey's body would be in order. Get Snyder on it immediately.

He's got the money to make it happen.

[akhhorus]

He's got the money to make it happen.

worked for Homer and C. Montgomery Burns!

[RedskinsVision]

worked for Homer and C. Montgomery Burns!

but it can backfire like the DirecTV commercial with Carmen Electra's face on the dude's Gym teacher. we could get Brunell's arm w/ Ramsey's head.

[ConradCountry]

One game makes it hard to tell.

He would have had about 6 picks if the Cincy defender would have caught the ball.

However he did lead some drives and his long ball had some nice zip.

The recievers let him down and he should have had better numbers except for the drops.

I put this in the plus category for Ramsey and he should start next week.

[whitskins]

Ramsey might not be able to read the field well when he's down 17-0, but I'm looking forward to seeing him take the field on the first play of the first quarter. Let's see him manage a game from start to finish and then we'll get a good look at what kind of quarterback he is. Put Ben Roethlesberger in there with half a game and down 17 points and I don't know how easy he'll make it look.

[Skinz4lyfe]

We have got to give Ramsey a chance. Sure he wasn't stellar today but at this point we have got to see what the man can do with a full week of practice. My main problem w/Brunell was the fact that we brought him here because he is a "veteran QB" and believed he would make good decisions w/the ball. However, I do not feel that he has done that. He has overthrown and underthrown receivers, mismanaged the clock, and he quite frankly doesn't have the arm strength to throw the ball deep anymore. Now if Ramsey makes some of these same mistakes I'll be a little more understanding considering he hasn't played a great deal. Look at Carr, Harrington, and Brees. All of these guys are young QBs with much more experience than Ramsey and they're just now starting to play well. If we stick with our same personnel of Offense (Portis, Coles, Gardner, Jacobs, Cooley, etc.) and our line can become consistent, then we might finally get to see what Ramsey is truly capable off. I for one have complete faith that he will be our QB for many years to come and I hope the best for him.

[CowboyKilla]

Absolutely, I think. We'll see. I hope so.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

i believe he can, but lets just give it time. neither one of these qbs was going to completely pick gibbs' offense up in one year. lets see what he does for the rest of this year into the next.

[skinswin]

Ramsey has to go up against the Steelers and Eagles. Is it fair to judge him while Bumell went up against the Bengals and Bears??

I think as Ramsey gets the majority of reps, he'll get better and warrant us not going after Drew Brees in the off-season.

But we need help on the O-line and a real WR that can seperate and catch balls.

[Emmanouel8]

Thank you skinswin, maybe you could shed some light inthe O line thread.

[bgforever]

Originally Posted By Smoot i dont know about 14-2 but hey, that'd be great


he has a 5 year stretch in between SB (wins), he signed on for 5 years. Hope it does happen, but I can accept a tough top contender each year too.

[Patrick]

Ramsey has to go up against the Steelers and Eagles. Is it fair to judge him while Bumell went up against the Bengals and Bears??

I think as Ramsey gets the majority of reps, he'll get better and warrant us not going after Drew Brees in the off-season.

But we need help on the O-line and a real WR that can seperate and catch balls.


BINGO ........... not one time yesterday, did our WR get seperation. As a group, IMO - they were terrible.

[NamVet4]

BINGO ........... not one time yesterday, did our WR get seperation. As a group, IMO - they were terrible.
What Brother Patrick said . . .
:)
(And I don't give a darn who the QB is . . .the WR's have to step up this week)

[GolfFreak]

I voted YES, but I think we need to review this after 3 weeks. He has two tough games coming up at Philly and at Pittsburgh, then home to the Gints. If he does well in those games then he's a lock to start next year.

[Jimskin]

I believe that it's fair to judge Rams on the upcoming games because I believe that there's parity in the NFL.. (Any given team on any given week can win). He'll give the team a spark when he starts next week. That's confirmed right? He's gonna start?

[dj_stouty]

I've always believed Ramsey was/is the future of this organization...I just didn't know when the right time was for him to start. I really would have liked to see him get a full year in the back up role and then start in '05, but obviously Brunell isn't cutting it.

This is Ramsey's last shot with this club. Either he becomes the QB we all hoped him to be, or he doesn't have a roster spot in '05.

Ramsey needs to be more accurate on his long throws, and he needs to protect the ball more. Hopefully a full week of practice will help...

BUT...he is going to need some serious help from the Offense if he will have any success. The WR drops need to stop. There must be accountability in the WR department. And if that means benching either Coles/Gardner/Taylor for DMC, then that is what needs to be done. I also believe Gibbs and/or Breaux/Bugel need to look at the WR routes. It doesn't seem if they utilize the field enough. Too many times or QBs are forced to throw into double or triple coverage.

The protection must get better. Our offensive line allows too much penetration from Defensive front fours. Ramsey is not as mobile as Brunell, and he can't rely on moving out of the pocket. He will require a pocket with suitable protection time.

Gibbs has made his decision...and I'm fully on board...but Ramsey won't be close to successfull unless the entire offense steps up. (Sounds familiar to what many of us have been saying for the last 5 weeks)

[trocknrun]

Is it just me or have we forgotten about last season's showing by our 3rd string QB - the intensity, the mobility and the heart this kid showed, (not to mention his youth) can someone enlighten me why he's not getting reps? Is he not one of Gibbs' practice favs? Ponderous, man, ponderous.

[Patrick]

Is it just me or have we forgotten about last season's showing by our 3rd string QB - the intensity, the mobility and the heart this kid showed, (not to mention his youth) can someone enlighten me why he's not getting reps? Is he not one of Gibbs' practice favs? Ponderous, man, ponderous.

Welcome aboard trocknrun - can't say its a very happy day around here but we're happy you joined us.

[dj_stouty]

Is it just me or have we forgotten about last season's showing by our 3rd string QB - the intensity, the mobility and the heart this kid showed, (not to mention his youth) can someone enlighten me why he's not getting reps? Is he not one of Gibbs' practice favs? Ponderous, man, ponderous.

Yikes! Spence has a twin!

[trocknrun]

Thanks, I certainly appreciate the welcome and I'm sure we all are trying to work through :) the frustration. And who's Spence?

[AGibbsGirl]

Thanks, I certainly appreciate the welcome and I'm sure we all are trying to work through :) the frustration. And who's Spence?

You've got Spence's picture there my friend
So we thought you were his twin...

Which, even the mere thought of, personally scares the hell outta me....:D

Welcome aboard

PS My vote is YES

[trocknrun]

Here I'm thinking I'm showing "old school" allegiance by using a pic of my hero Sonny, and Spence goes and rips ME off!(sic) Guess I'll have to show a little originality, kinda like what our offense should be doing?

[REDMAN]

We need to give him some time in this system before we can evaluate him properly.
We should know more by the end of the season.

[IndianBaller27]

How are we gonna decide after a game where he came into a game down 17-0 and had to throw the whole time??? He had little if any snaps with the 1st team offense, there was horrible play calling cuz they hardley ran it, and he had to play catch-up. There is no way you can vote on this thread. He needs to start a game.