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split3clemente
11-17-2004, 04:29 PM
In my opinion its Brady, but Im sure im going to get a bunch of manning supporters, Brady is the better QB casue his team like always wins and they always beat the colts head to head. In the last game manning lost the game for his team by taking that sack when all they needed was a field goal to tie.

griff
11-17-2004, 04:35 PM
Manning is gonna break some records....So i would have to give my vote to him

akhhorus
11-17-2004, 04:35 PM
As a pure QB: Manning.
As the best QB in the league: Brady.

split3clemente
11-17-2004, 04:39 PM
Winning games:Brady, and thats the goal of the team

ShaggySkins
11-17-2004, 05:01 PM
Brady is able to win games because of his defense. If Manning had that defense he would have just as many super bowl rings. Manning is the better QB.

Santheb
11-17-2004, 05:02 PM
Peyton Manning. When its all said and done, this man will be statistically the best QB to ever play the game, and he may even get a ring or two.

whitskins
11-17-2004, 05:05 PM
Peyton Manning is the guy I would want over anybody else, I wouldn't even need to think about it.

ihatedallas
11-17-2004, 05:26 PM
Brady is able to win games because of his defense. If Manning had that defense he would have just as many super bowl rings. Manning is the better QB.
agreed, he would probabally have the '02 one too

Booser
11-17-2004, 05:34 PM
you cant ignore how much better the Pats are than the Colts as a team. not many people would argue that manning is the better passer than brady, just brady has a better supporting cast.

LATrueRedskin
11-17-2004, 06:21 PM
Peyton Manning is the best pure QB in the league.

Jimreaper007
11-17-2004, 06:59 PM
I think you ahve to break it down into categories:

Best pure passer - P. Manning
Best Scrambler - D McNabb
Best Scrambler and Passer - D. Culpepper
Best QB with all the intangibles - Brady

The last guy you want to face - M. Vick

smoot
11-17-2004, 07:00 PM
manning, no doubt

Jimreaper007
11-17-2004, 07:20 PM
you cant ignore how much better the Pats are than the Colts as a team. not many people would argue that manning is the better passer than brady, just brady has a better supporting cast.


I think the myth surrounding the patriots/brady is the same myth that surrounded the Unitas led Colts.

What you have is a team full of professionals all playing at a high team level. The patriots are not the most talented team, but they all understand and sacrifice for the good of the whole.

The patriots can be beaten by a better team, but rarely will they lose a game because of their own mistakes. Brady is a part of the cog.

If you placed Brady on a different team he would be good, but not be as good as he looks on the patriots.

The Pats are an enigma in an era where indivuality is the norm. Brady is a very good game manager with above average QB skills.

Brady is a winner and that makes up for a lot of short comings.

dj_stouty
11-17-2004, 07:25 PM
Manning is the best QB I've seen play in a long, long time.

rskinsfan10
11-17-2004, 07:27 PM
Manning is the best QB I've seen play in a long, long time.
Agreed. He will own every major passing record if he stays healthy and chooses to play long enough.

hockeygoalie29
11-17-2004, 07:32 PM
In my opinion its Brady, but Im sure im going to get a bunch of manning supporters, Brady is the better QB casue his team like always wins and they always beat the colts head to head. In the last game manning lost the game for his team by taking that sack when all they needed was a field goal to tie.

Being on a winning team does not constitute being the best quarterback. Did the Ravens have the best quarterback win they won the Super Bowl? I don't think so and I'd be willing to bet that most don't even know who he was.

The Patriots do not win because of Tom Brady, you could put a number of quarterbacks behind center in New England and still have a winning team because that is the kind of football that is being played in New England. Team football.

On the other hand, Manning wins games for the Colts. They have a horrible defense yet are consistantly one of the best teams in the league. Why? Because Peyton Mannning is one of if not the best quarterback ever to play the game.

Jimreaper007
11-17-2004, 07:36 PM
Manning is a great player, but he may wind up being another Dan Marino

Great indivual numbers with no superbowl unless Dungy can rent a defense someday

Minnesota Mike
11-17-2004, 07:52 PM
If I have to pick between Manning and Brady, I'll take Manning. But if I could pick anyone playing right now, I think I'd go with Daunte. I just like the added dimension that his size brings to the O.

Jimreaper007
11-17-2004, 07:55 PM
If I have to pick between Manning and Brady, I'll take Manning. But if I could pick anyone playing right now, I think I'd go with Daunte. I just like the added dimension that his size brings to the O.


I give minnesota another draft before they are the class of the NFC

Minnesota Mike
11-17-2004, 08:01 PM
I give minnesota another draft before they are the class of the NFC

I think Minnesota has too many talent gaps to be considered the class of the NFL, but I like Daunte.

Jimreaper007
11-17-2004, 08:41 PM
I was under the impression that Minnesota's defense is young but improving.

Why/How did Chris Hovan fall out of favor so fast?

whitskins
11-17-2004, 09:09 PM
Why/How did Chris Hovan fall out of favor so fast?

Good question, it seems that he is actually the embodiment of the player that everyone said Cornelius Griffin was.

split3clemente
11-17-2004, 09:14 PM
Being on a winning team does not constitute being the best quarterback. Did the Ravens have the best quarterback win they won the Super Bowl? I don't think so and I'd be willing to bet that most don't even know who he was.

The Patriots do not win because of Tom Brady, you could put a number of quarterbacks behind center in New England and still have a winning team because that is the kind of football that is being played in New England. Team football.

On the other hand, Manning wins games for the Colts. They have a horrible defense yet are consistantly one of the best teams in the league. Why? Because Peyton Mannning is one of if not the best quarterback ever to play the game.

Brady is the best QB because he is the most clutch QB in the NFL. Also he never does anything to mess it up for his team. ON that thursday night game manning could NOT take the sack that lost the game for them. Brady is much better in situations than manning is, I havent ever seen brady do something like that to mess it up for his team. Has anyone ever seen brady throw and interception when his team is inside the 5? ESPECIALLY in a big game, manning did it on that thursday night game, nto to mention mannings performance in the AFC championship game. People are so enamored with stats, thats why manniing gets the nod in so many peoples minds, in my mind brady is the better QB

LadyNRedskinsfan
11-17-2004, 09:37 PM
could you imagine peyton manning with a defense? if he had a team that could stop someone when he makes a mistake, the colts would be the reign super bowl champs. manning is my pick.

LATrueRedskin
11-17-2004, 09:58 PM
could you imagine peyton manning with a defense? if he had a team that could stop someone when he makes a mistake, the colts would be the reign super bowl champs. manning is my pick.

Seriously, I'm glad he doesn't have a defense because it would be no fun watching football, they would win absolutely everything.

JoeDaSchmoe
11-18-2004, 12:01 AM
Yeah, if Manning ever gets a defense, it's over. Done. Colts are the champs, and will have a dynasty.

hockeygoalie29
11-18-2004, 07:50 AM
Brady is the best QB because he is the most clutch QB in the NFL. Also he never does anything to mess it up for his team. ON that thursday night game manning could NOT take the sack that lost the game for them. Brady is much better in situations than manning is, I havent ever seen brady do something like that to mess it up for his team. Has anyone ever seen brady throw and interception when his team is inside the 5? ESPECIALLY in a big game, manning did it on that thursday night game, nto to mention mannings performance in the AFC championship game. People are so enamored with stats, thats why manniing gets the nod in so many peoples minds, in my mind brady is the better QB

Nothing Brady has ever done has made me sit back and go "wow, that was incredible". I wouldn't even call him a clutch quarterback, he rides the support that he recieves from the players around him. Take Brady, put him on just about any other team, and he would be an average quarterback at best.

rskinsfan10
11-18-2004, 11:33 AM
Nothing Brady has ever done has made me sit back and go "wow, that was incredible". I wouldn't even call him a clutch quarterback, he rides the support that he recieves from the players around him. Take Brady, put him on just about any other team, and he would be an average quarterback at best.
I tend to believe this as well.

GolfFreak
11-18-2004, 12:12 PM
As a pure QB: Manning.
As the best QB in the league: Brady.

I agree 100%. I love watching Brady run his team, everything clicks for him. Manning is awesome too, but there's just something about Brady.

BRAVEONAWARPATH
11-18-2004, 12:40 PM
Manning hands down. I respect Brady but to me, he is more a
product of a system than anything else.

Skin-E-Dip
11-18-2004, 12:43 PM
Manning without a doubt. Damn if he could get even a decent defense who knows how many rings he would have now

RedskinRyan
11-18-2004, 03:08 PM
Manning without a doubt. Damn if he could get even a decent defense who knows how many rings he would have now

manning is a brilliant qb. he does lead his team to wins. he makes edgerrin james so much better, because his skills make opposing defenses not be able to put extra defenders in the box.

Santheb
11-18-2004, 03:25 PM
Brady is the best QB because he is the most clutch QB in the NFL. Also he never does anything to mess it up for his team. ON that thursday night game manning could NOT take the sack that lost the game for them. Brady is much better in situations than manning is, I havent ever seen brady do something like that to mess it up for his team. Has anyone ever seen brady throw and interception when his team is inside the 5? ESPECIALLY in a big game, manning did it on that thursday night game, nto to mention mannings performance in the AFC championship game. People are so enamored with stats, thats why manniing gets the nod in so many peoples minds, in my mind brady is the better QB

If he was so good, he wouldn't have to be "clutch" in the first place. His team would be winning already. Thats what I think at least.

I also tend to agree that Brady would be average-above average at best on another team, while if you stick Manning on another team with good receivers, he'll be great still. They don't have to be great, Manning can make them look great. Look at Brandon Stokley. He's got the most receiving yards on the team.

The only thing with Manning that I can think of is that he will fold under pressure or not very confident, one of the two was/is the knack on him.

I'd still probably take Favre in his prime over either one of them, though. That guy is a warrior.

split3clemente
11-18-2004, 03:29 PM
Nothing Brady has ever done has made me sit back and go "wow, that was incredible". I wouldn't even call him a clutch quarterback, he rides the support that he recieves from the players around him. Take Brady, put him on just about any other team, and he would be an average quarterback at best.

2 super bowl rings in 3 years as a starter has made me go wow especially in this age of parity

split3clemente
11-18-2004, 03:31 PM
If he was so good, he wouldn't have to be "clutch" in the first place. His team would be winning already. Thats what I think at least.

I also tend to agree that Brady would be average-above average at best on another team, while if you stick Manning on another team with good receivers, he'll be great still. They don't have to be great, Manning can make them look great. Look at Brandon Stokley. He's got the most receiving yards on the team.

The only thing with Manning that I can think of is that he will fold under pressure or not very confident, one of the two was/is the knack on him.

I'd still probably take Favre in his prime over either one of them, though. That guy is a warrior.

Youre right about the clutch thing, jordan sucks, if he was really good he would never have to hit that shot vs the jazz or that shot vs the cavs, also montana sucks if he was good he wouldnt have had to hit clark in the endzone, that argument isnt valid at all, I agree about Favre tho, hes my boiiiiiii

Santheb
11-18-2004, 03:53 PM
I'm just saying that "clutch" doesn't make you the best. In the case of Jordan its different I guess, undoubtbly the best player to ever play the game. I meant being clutch on a regular basis, not it being just one big moment.

RedskinsDave
11-18-2004, 03:58 PM
Manning wins games. Brady doesn't lose games. Manning is the better quarterback.

GibbsRules!
11-18-2004, 04:06 PM
Brady wins playoff games and Super Bowls...Manning wins regular season games.
Brady is the big game player...gotta give it to him.

ihatedallas
11-18-2004, 07:17 PM
Take brady and put him with the colts...the colts win 5 games...take manning put him with the pats the pats would be undefeated, EVERY YEAR. Thats how i look at it.

ArRiNgToN_56
11-18-2004, 07:40 PM
Manning hands down. I respect Brady but to me, he is more a
product of a system than anything else.

Isn't that what Clinton Portis is to? God i hate it when people call players "a product of the system" when said player has never played outside of said system. I mean honestly how do you know if this person is a product the system if they haven't ever been out of the system its pure and utter stupidity in the most un-adulterated form.

split3clemente
11-18-2004, 08:13 PM
Take brady and put him with the colts...the colts win 5 games...take manning put him with the pats the pats would be undefeated, EVERY YEAR. Thats how i look at it.

this type of statment really ticks me off, what has manning done to prove hes a winner? nothing, in fact hes gone to prove the contrary, he didnt come out with his best game in the biggest game of his life (afc championship game vs the pats) brady was playing in that game and in hat weather and it didnt really effect him that much. Also, if you look at bradys offense hes never really had weapons like manning (harrison, wayne, edge, stokley) until this year with dillon. Bradys having a great season (that of course is going under the radar), everyones just a brady hater, sorry he doesnt break records but just wins super bowls

Felony56
11-18-2004, 08:19 PM
undefinedThis year,Drew Brees.He's done more with less.Manning has Harrison,Wayne,& Stokley...Brady has A great O. line, Brown,Branch,Givens,and Bethel Johnson.With Tomlinson ailing,the Chargers have had to rely mainly on Brees and Antonio Gates.Keenan Mc Cardell has also strengthened the receiver corps.

BRAVEONAWARPATH
11-18-2004, 08:22 PM
Isn't that what Clinton Portis is to?
No. Clinton Portis is an immensely talented RB. Brady on the other
hand, is a good QB. Nothing more nothing less.

akhhorus
11-18-2004, 08:25 PM
No. Clinton Portis is an immensely talented RB. Brady on the other
hand, is a good QB. Nothing more nothing less.

Also Brady has done it with basically no talent around him. Would you call any of his wideouts: "Stars"? Nope. Watch Brady play sometimes, he is an amazing QB.

split3clemente
11-18-2004, 08:26 PM
why is portis and immensly talented RB and brady is only a good QB?

split3clemente
11-18-2004, 08:28 PM
Also Brady has done it with basically no talent around him. Would you call any of his wideouts: "Stars"? Nope. Watch Brady play sometimes, he is an amazing QB.

Exactly, brady gets no respect,branch is a stud WR but hes been hurt most of this season and hes still having great success, it seems like it doesnt matter who bradys WRs are he just gets them the ball, givens first game last year was vs the skins and hes turned into a stud with brady throwing him the ball

BRAVEONAWARPATH
11-18-2004, 08:28 PM
Also Brady has done it with basically no talent around him. Would you call any of his wideouts: "Stars"? Nope. Watch Brady play sometimes, he is an amazing QB.
I've watched Brady quite a bit and I still stand by my statement.
And I would argue that while Brady does not have as many offensive
weapons around him as does Manning, he is surrounded by a better
"team".

split3clemente
11-18-2004, 08:31 PM
being a good QB in the nfl comes down to accuracy, decision making and the ability to feel the rush while in the pocket, arm strength is way overrated having an amazing arm can only take you so far plus most all QBs in the NFL have equal arm strength (guys like favre are the exception). if you can be accurate. make great decisions and feel the rush all at the same time you are an amazing QB and brady is one, I believe brady is a bettr decision maker and can feel the rush better than manning can, that along with his clutch play makes him a better WINNING qb

BRAVEONAWARPATH
11-18-2004, 08:36 PM
I can argue that Manning is better all I want. But ultimately, Brady
has the SUPERBOWL rings.

ArRiNgToN_56
11-18-2004, 08:55 PM
No. Clinton Portis is an immensely talented RB. Brady on the other
hand, is a good QB. Nothing more nothing less.

How do you know? What has Clinton Portis done to prove that? Sure hes had 1500 yrd, 16 td seasons....with the broncos, who hasn't? What Im trying to say is people who say Brady is over-rated can't prove it, how many 2X Superbowl winning QB's has New England had? I'll tell you, 0. You can't say somone is a product of a system if there isn't a quarterback breeding system in place, can you? The assumption that Tom Brady is over-rated is the same as calling Peyton Manning overrated the difference is, Tom Brady has two Rings as an "over-rated QB" Manning has 0 and that, that is what really matters.

I guess the point i'm trying to make, is that it's impossible to call Tom Brady over-rated until he is in a different system.

Those who say that Tom Brady would do garbage in Peyton Manning's colt situation on smoking pot, peyton manning is throwing to Brandon Stokley, Reggie Wayne and argueably one of the best recievers in the game Marvin Harrison oh and he has Edgerrin James in backfield, but i'm sure that holds no bareing on his success right? Tom Brady is throwing to lets see, Deion Branch, David Givens and Troy Brown yeah hes a product of the system.

Bottomline:

Tom Brady has 2 Superbowl Rings throwing to worse Wide-Out's
Manning Has 0 Rings with the Best Offense in the NFL.

I will concede however, Brady has one hell of a defense but that only goes to prove the point Defense win Championships.

BRAVEONAWARPATH
11-18-2004, 11:31 PM
How do you know? What has Clinton Portis done to prove that? Sure hes had 1500 yrd, 16 td seasons....with the broncos, who hasn't? What Im trying to say is people who say Brady is over-rated can't prove it, how many 2X Superbowl winning QB's has New England had? I'll tell you, 0. You can't say somone is a product of a system if there isn't a quarterback breeding system in place, can you? The assumption that Tom Brady is over-rated is the same as calling Peyton Manning overrated the difference is, Tom Brady has two Rings as an "over-rated QB" Manning has 0 and that, that is what really matters.

I guess the point i'm trying to make, is that it's impossible to call Tom Brady over-rated until he is in a different system.

Those who say that Tom Brady would do garbage in Peyton Manning's colt situation on smoking pot, peyton manning is throwing to Brandon Stokley, Reggie Wayne and argueably one of the best recievers in the game Marvin Harrison oh and he has Edgerrin James in backfield, but i'm sure that holds no bareing on his success right? Tom Brady is throwing to lets see, Deion Branch, David Givens and Troy Brown yeah hes a product of the system.

Bottomline:

Tom Brady has 2 Superbowl Rings throwing to worse Wide-Out's
Manning Has 0 Rings with the Best Offense in the NFL.

I will concede however, Brady has one hell of a defense but that only goes to prove the point Defense win Championships.
Read the post above..

bgforever
11-19-2004, 12:07 AM
Manning is the better QB,

Brady is a big play QB, with a very good supporting team. He makes reads, but if his line breaks down, compare him to Manning then. Manning has learned not to part with the ball, even if his teeth may look like they are about to be missed. It took some doing, and "eat it" has more meaning. Brady, on the other hand will part with the ball and McNabb will gamble. That's not a good QB, but a sandlot move with prayer written all over it.

Culpepper is definitely better than ever, but still not the field general Manning is. He can use a grandmother out there and beat you. I only witnessed Marino and Manning and many times Elway beat you with their arm alone. Johnny Unitas, Jurgenson and Baugh were others.

If I put the number 4 defense on up in Manning's backyard, I win at least 3 titles in a row from 2002 - 2004.

IowaSkinsFan
11-19-2004, 06:59 AM
As a pure QB: Manning.
As the best QB in the league: Brady.

100% agree.

Need 1 QB to win the big game for you, pick Brady.

bgforever
11-19-2004, 07:24 AM
I will say it again - Brady MAKES reads and IS a big play QB.


making reads and the big play is all you could ever ask for a winning and Championship QB

Manning makes reads, and has fizzled for some reason, on the big plays. Sure Mora will get a brain poot and suddenly not have Manning go to his top 4 targets, but will leave the trash on his TE, Pollard, in the AFC game, when two other receivers were open or at least presented themselves given Manning's gumshun for making those kind of throws, with the game on the line. Instead its a short defensivable pass to Pollard, who gets joltd "before" the ball arrives. Manning's tunnel vision for long ball is his only drawback and since he let Ty Law or either Bruesci recover on Pollard, he waited too long, showing no confidence in the answer of that TE until nothing was left.

He knew he had time left and plenty for a such a game, otherwise why in the he8l dump it off to Pollard a mile a way from the end zone.


Yet and still, if I gave one of the top 4 defenses to Manning, he'd do MORE than Brady. Brady is a very good QB, in his own right. You have to have brains to read "right", like Montana, Elway, Bradshaw, and coach Gibbs.

split3clemente
11-19-2004, 03:46 PM
Can anyone go back to that year when thew pats won their 1st super bowl in bradys tenure over the rams? If i remember correctly they were playing very poorly (evein with that great supporting cast around bledsoe) and that amazing coaching staff that has just turned bardy into one of the best. So why did the pats suck when bledsoe was in there? why did they all of a sudden turn around when this back up (brady) stepping in a carried them to the super bowl?

Spence
11-19-2004, 03:49 PM
Peyton Manning is the best QB in the NFL. Daunte Culpepper is #2 right now.

ShaggySkins
11-19-2004, 04:43 PM
Can anyone go back to that year when thew pats won their 1st super bowl in bradys tenure over the rams? If i remember correctly they were playing very poorly (evein with that great supporting cast around bledsoe) and that amazing coaching staff that has just turned bardy into one of the best. So why did the pats suck when bledsoe was in there? why did they all of a sudden turn around when this back up (brady) stepping in a carried them to the super bowl?

Don't forget Bledsoe did play in the playoffs and pretty much won the AFC Championship Game aganist the Steelers when Brady got hurt. Yea Bledsoe struggled at the begininning of the year but so did the whole team. A lot of other factors led to that team turning around one was Brady, but also Antwan Smith started playing very well and the defense was shutting people down.

I don't think anyone is questioning Brady's ability as a QB but I just don't think he's at the same level as Manning or Culpepper. I think if you asked most NFL scouts or personnel they would take either of those two players over Brady just about every time.

BRAVEONAWARPATH
11-19-2004, 04:55 PM
Peyton Manning is the best QB in the NFL. Daunte Culpepper is #2 right now.
Thank you Spence.

GibbsRules!
11-19-2004, 06:24 PM
Peyton Manning is the best QB in the NFL. Daunte Culpepper is #2 right now.
Manning has Harrison, Culpepper has Moss...Brady has?

I compare this to the Derek Jeter vs. Alex Rodriguez and Nomar Garciaparra Shortstop comparison in Baseball a few years ago. Alex and Nomar continuously put up better stats, but when the chips were down it was Jeter that made the great plays in the playoffs and came up with the clutch hits. I would have taken Jeter over anybody at shortstop and I feel the same way about Tom Brady at QB. The guy just doesn't get rattled back there...he has that Joe Montana coolness about him.

ihatedallas
11-19-2004, 08:02 PM
Bottomline:

Tom Brady has 2 Superbowl Rings throwing to worse Wide-Out's
Manning Has 0 Rings with the Best Offense in the NFL.

I will concede however, Brady has one hell of a defense but that only goes to prove the point Defense win Championships.[/QUOTE]

Why do you think there the best offense in the NFL? Manning...


Stokley and wayne are good becuase Manning makes them good. Harrison is incredible but edge hasnt really been the huge playmaker he was a few years ago. If you gave manning the recivers Brady has he would have just as much succes with stokley and wayne and harrison. I think the only reason Manning is said to have a better set of receivers becuase of harrison, without harrison he does alot with nothing. Brady's recivers aren't that bad either, Branch, Brown, Givens, and Patten make up a VERY strong reciveing core. I think if you compare the Pats recivers to the colts recivers(minus harrison) The pats bunch is alot better.

Jimreaper007
11-19-2004, 09:07 PM
Peyton is the most productive QB in the NFL....

Vick is the guy that Defensive Coordinators get fired over...

Peyton is a great passer, Vick is winning games and he still does not have a clue of what he is doing.

Imagine when he learns the game...

sdredskinsfan
11-28-2004, 03:30 AM
Ramsey.

sdredskinsfan
11-28-2004, 03:36 AM
Manning has Harrison, Culpepper has Moss...Brady has?



A hot g/f.

JoeDaSchmoe
11-28-2004, 11:00 AM
A hot g/f.

Who?

JoeJacksonTaylor28
11-29-2004, 04:45 PM
Who?
Yeah, who?

Best QB in the NFL: Peyton Manning.

Chief Seeway
11-29-2004, 05:08 PM
Statistically Manning is the best QB right now this year.

If I had to win a game today I would take Favre with McNabb backing him up. Two of the most competitive guys in the league and they don't lose games on their own.

Chief Seeway
11-29-2004, 05:10 PM
Who?

Bridget Moynahan (http://www.boston.com/travel/boston/tips_from_tour_guide_tom_brady/)

EDIT: Bridget Googled (http://images.google.com/images?q=Bridget%20Moynahan&hl=en&lr=&sa=N&tab=wi)

SkinsD
11-29-2004, 07:15 PM
Manning is the better QB... Brady wins due to the supporting cast.

I don't think Favre is getting enough credit in this discussion. Besides his durability (200th straight start tonight) and amazing abilities over the past 12 years he is without a doubt my favorite athlete. I bleed B&G, but I love Favre. Everything a decent man should be, Favre is and then some.

techskinsfan
12-04-2004, 01:19 PM
i think manning is an obvious choice...hes going to shatter marino's record

Jimreaper007
12-04-2004, 07:02 PM
McNabb

Manning is putting up some great numbers but McNabb is the Eagles and he can beat you so many ways...

A couple of years from now Vick will own this title

chad101
12-04-2004, 08:22 PM
Nothing Brady has ever done has made me sit back and go "wow, that was incredible". I wouldn't even call him a clutch quarterback, he rides the support that he recieves from the players around him. Take Brady, put him on just about any other team, and he would be an average quarterback at best.

Skins would be in the play-offs with Brady.

I agree Manning has more pure talent, but it's like Marino -Montana, you take Joe to win a big game.
Same holds true for Brady-Manning. Manning has fell apart in every big game he has been involved in. Remember the 41-0 Play-off loss to Pennington and the Jets?

chad101
12-04-2004, 08:26 PM
Manning is the better QB,

Brady is a big play QB, with a very good supporting team. He makes reads, but if his line breaks down, compare him to Manning then. Manning has learned not to part with the ball, even if his teeth may look like they are about to be missed. It took some doing, and "eat it" has more meaning. Brady, on the other hand will part with the ball and McNabb will gamble. That's not a good QB, but a sandlot move with prayer written all over it.

Culpepper is definitely better than ever, but still not the field general Manning is. He can use a grandmother out there and beat you. I only witnessed Marino and Manning and many times Elway beat you with their arm alone. Johnny Unitas, Jurgenson and Baugh were others.

If I put the number 4 defense on up in Manning's backyard, I win at least 3 titles in a row from 2002 - 2004.

You need to let us know when Manning beats a quality defense in the play-offs. Has never happened so the statement that he beats you with his arm alone is flawed at best.

chad101
12-04-2004, 08:28 PM
Peyton is the most productive QB in the NFL....

Vick is the guy that Defensive Coordinators get fired over...

Peyton is a great passer, Vick is winning games and he still does not have a clue of what he is doing.

Imagine when he learns the game...

Vick is winning games in a weak NFC.

IndianBaller27
12-04-2004, 08:53 PM
The best QB is...............................






ME!!!!

Jimreaper007
12-04-2004, 10:26 PM
Vick is winning games in a weak NFC.


So is every other QB of note....

You can't fault him for the schedule

lakeskin
12-05-2004, 02:03 AM
manning is great in october and november games against the likes of the lions and bears when his team is up by 3 touchdowns. The guy is unstoppable in those situations.

But if you want a guy to perform in under pressue, u go with Brady. he might not get 50 touchdowns in a season but he has 2 rings.

Jimreaper007
12-05-2004, 07:53 AM
manning is great in october and november games against the likes of the lions and bears when his team is up by 3 touchdowns. The guy is unstoppable in those situations.

But if you want a guy to perform in under pressue, u go with Brady. he might not get 50 touchdowns in a season but he has 2 rings.


Brady is a solid sytem QB

The system is built to take advantage of what he does best (quick throws to an ego-less WR/TE corps). Brady is good and steady but not the best QB in the league. He is the most effective QB in the league.