PORTIS IN THE DOGHOUSE?

[BIGSEF3]

This is a quote from an article on the post, regarding portis:

"Something must be going on with this kid," former Redskins tackle Joe Jacoby said. "Knowing Joe and the way he operates, [Portis] must have done something to tick Joe off. He's got to be in his doghouse, in my opinion."

do you think theres anything to that? that portis isnt playing much b/c joe is ticked at him about something?

if so, is it right to bench our most talented offensive player? i mean, i'm all about having class and high standards, but hell, the ravens have murders and drug dealers on their team and they play them as long as the league says they can.

if portis did something really bad, it would be on the news. if he's not playing b/c of something trivial, that just stinks!

[tbfoster1]

if he did something really bad he probably wouldn't have played at all, gibbs is probably just trying to send a message, if you don't play 100 percent then you don't play

[Jimreaper007]

Portis will get 25 carries on Sunday

Maybe joe just didn't think he would be effective against a very physical Pittsburgh defense as a slightly bigger Betts

[IowaSkinsFan]

Portis will get 25 carries on Sunday

Maybe joe just didn't think he would be effective against a very physical Pittsburgh defense as a slightly bigger Betts

That's what I am thinking.

[BIGSEF3]

i dont know. something rang true about it. Gibbs is a very principled guy. maybe portis did something to show he wasnt being a "team player." maybe he was questioning the coaches or even gibbs ability.

[Jimreaper007]

i dont know. something rang true about it. Gibbs is a very principled guy. maybe portis did something to show he wasnt being a "team player." maybe he was questioning the coaches or even gibbs ability.


Maybe....but it's over now

[redcayman]

I don't think so I think Coach Joe is just trying to evaluate the players he has. He knows he has a player in Portis. I havent heard a single thing negative about Portis after the Clevland game comments. If nothing else Buges would have made some kind of comment like he did about Ramsey. I think we will se a healthy does of Portis Sunday.

[ShaggySkins]

I don't think there is much to this. Maybe Portis did something to upset Gibbs but if he thought Portis gave us the best chance to win in a game that was only 16-7 and still in reach then he would have played Portis. Hopefully what this did was light a fire under Portis for this week aganist New York.

[hockeygoalie29]

Maybe joe just didn't think he would be effective against a very physical Pittsburgh defense as a slightly bigger Betts

That and the fact that the field was in terrible shape. Portis relies on his ability to make cuts and make defenders miss which is very hard to do in a field that is nothing but mud. Betts is the kind of runner that will run straight downhill which is pretty much the only thing to do under those conditions.

[whistleandthumb]

I think everyone is REALLY over thinking this.

Portis was slipping all over that field against Pittsburgh, and their defense is so quick, they were beating him to the outside, keeping him from getting around the corner to make a big play. Betts takes the ball between the tackles, and pounds forward, so there's no worry about defensive speed or slipping on the sloppy field. Betts, in this situation, was the better choice, and Gibbs went with it. Portis is still our guy... let's not blow this out of proportion.

[28thegreat]

Joe Jacoby was a great player for the Redskins...back in the day. But that doesn't give him any right or absolute insight into what's going on in the mind of Joe Gibbs and these players today. His comments are mere speculation and should be taken that way.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

I think everyone is REALLY over thinking this.

Portis was slipping all over that field against Pittsburgh, and their defense is so quick, they were beating him to the outside, keeping him from getting around the corner to make a big play. Betts takes the ball between the tackles, and pounds forward, so there's no worry about defensive speed or slipping on the sloppy field. Betts, in this situation, was the better choice, and Gibbs went with it. Portis is still our guy... let's not blow this out of proportion.
i agree with this. i also think that part of the problem is that portisis not running with the patience that joe wants him to run with. these next 5 games and the offseason needs to be a time for adjustments.......

[whitskins]

That and the fact that the field was in terrible shape. Portis relies on his ability to make cuts and make defenders miss which is very hard to do in a field that is nothing but mud. Betts is the kind of runner that will run straight downhill which is pretty much the only thing to do under those conditions.

That has been my exact reasoning as well.

[Smiley]

I think right now, Betts gives a "harder" yards than what Portis is giving. Plus this is a great time to see what Betts can do. I think Betts score twice this week against teh Gints. What is we had two very good backs? Hmmm...sounds like another team I used to watch. The pieces are coming together my Gold & Burgundy friends!!

[2Cooley]

I think right now, Betts gives a "harder" yards than what Portis is giving. Plus this is a great time to see what Betts can do. I think Betts score twice this week against teh Gints. What is we had two very good backs? Hmmm...sounds like another team I used to watch. The pieces are coming together my Gold & Burgundy friends!!


Please name the pieces that are coming together on offence.

[skins111111]

Portis to be benched?

Clinton Portis, RB WAS

News: According to reports, Clinton Portis is not a lock to start in Week 13.

Analysis: The Redskins might go with Ladell Betts vs. the Giants. Keep close tabs on this situation.


--------I read this on my fantasy site-------WTF--------would like some more info---------might be nothing--------but it just doesn't seem right----
they do have a "?" and use the words "is not a lock" and "might"

[flave1969]

i agree with this. i also think that part of the problem is that portisis not running with the patience that joe wants him to run with. these next 5 games and the offseason needs to be a time for adjustments.......

I disagree Lady. Against Detroit we had seen much of what we needed too do as a running team, and Clinton was running very well. Against Cincinnatti he was running at nearly five yards a carry all game long but only had 17 carries. You have too figure he would have averaged that against the last ranked run D in the league on all his carries. Had he carried the same amount of times as in the Detroit game I believe we would have won. He has not had any sort of blocking in the last two games, neither has Betts. I think little of the blame falls on Clinton Portis, he isnt even being used in the passing game. I lay this at the door of playcalling, we have given a new meaning too conservative.

We have all seen the kind of plays that have produced yards in the running game. Where is the I-formation? Where are the toss plays? Where is the zone blocking that we began to see? They are nowhere. Yet these are the things we have been successful with in the games we have won. Our line is not good or fit enough to run the power game Gibbs like, you should play to the strengths you have.

[NCskinfan]

Please name the pieces that are coming together on offence.


I second that. Unless he means the missed blocking assignments and dropped passes, I don't see anything coming together on offense.

[hail2skins]

I don't think we can say whether or not Portis is being used in the passing game. I'm sure he's dump off in certain situations but they haven't happened. We really don't know what's going on but I do believe that there is something there that we don't know about. Maybe he got on Gibbs' bad side somehow. I don't know if he's being disciplined for something or not but discipline is discipline not matter how much you make.

[IMALILTEAPOT]

gibbs needs to switch up his running plays now or in the offseason cuz even i know where they are gonna run and what type of play they are running. we should follow denvers scheme since he has had success in it this season and of course last season. i was watching the sunday nite game with the raiders and broncs and i watched how the offensive line zone blocked and i saw sooo many holes appear so quickly. we should do it more often. and also get portis deeper in the backfield so he can see which hole to go throu quicker

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

I disagree Lady. Against Detroit we had seen much of what we needed too do as a running team, and Clinton was running very well. Against Cincinnatti he was running at nearly five yards a carry all game long but only had 17 carries. You have too figure he would have averaged that against the last ranked run D in the league on all his carries. Had he carried the same amount of times as in the Detroit game I believe we would have won. He has not had any sort of blocking in the last two games, neither has Betts. I think little of the blame falls on Clinton Portis, he isnt even being used in the passing game. I lay this at the door of playcalling, we have given a new meaning too conservative.

We have all seen the kind of plays that have produced yards in the running game. Where is the I-formation? Where are the toss plays? Where is the zone blocking that we began to see? They are nowhere. Yet these are the things we have been successful with in the games we have won. Our line is not good or fit enough to run the power game Gibbs like, you should play to the strengths you have.
i agree flave, that the playcalling needs to be adjusted, but when portis runs well, he runs with patience. i definitely feel like gibbs needs to adjust what type of plays he runs with portis, but portis also needs to consistently run with patience.

[LuvSkins17]

I think everyone is REALLY over thinking this.

Portis was slipping all over that field against Pittsburgh, and their defense is so quick, they were beating him to the outside, keeping him from getting around the corner to make a big play. Betts takes the ball between the tackles, and pounds forward, so there's no worry about defensive speed or slipping on the sloppy field. Betts, in this situation, was the better choice, and Gibbs went with it. Portis is still our guy... let's not blow this out of proportion.
I couldn't agree more whistle!

[BSMKF]

Portis will get 25 carries on Sunday

Maybe joe just didn't think he would be effective against a very physical Pittsburgh defense as a slightly bigger Betts
:lol1: Portis is the 2nd highest paid running back in the NFL and he can't be effective vs the Steelers? Personally I think Portis is a BUST !!!! For that price :cry: Portis has a bad attitude and has not been giving his all on the field lately. Gibbs and the players see that. Did anybody see Ramsey yelling at Portis at the end of the game ?? kinda weird huh? I personally hope we trade Portis for draft picks and get rid of his hefty price because I think Portis is either a product of the Denver sytem or just doesnt fit Gibbs system. Bottom line I think Portis = BUST !!!!

[IMALILTEAPOT]

:lol1: Portis is the 2nd highest paid running back in the NFL and he can't be effective vs the Steelers? Personally I think Portis is a BUST !!!! For that price :cry: Portis has a bad attitude and has not been giving his all on the field lately. Gibbs and the players see that. Did anybody see Ramsey yelling at Portis at the end of the game ?? kinda weird huh? I personally hope we trade Portis for draft picks and get rid of his hefty price because I think Portis is either a product of the Denver sytem or just doesnt fit Gibbs system. Bottom line I think Portis = BUST !!!!
imma let some other people respond to this cuz im just shocked rite now

[KingButz]

Portis is most definitely NOT a bust but if he doesn't get his touches, we might as well not even have him. Run him every week 28-30 times -- no matter what -- and see what happens.

[Ramsey2Moss]

I'm sorry but if I were Dan Snyder and Portis was benched...I would rip Gibbs a new ***CENSORED BY SPENCE***. That is just rediculous. Our highest paid player (if I am correct) being BENCHED when hes perfectly HEALTHY?!? You can't win in this league with old school antics, Joe. You should have figured this out by now.

I'm sorry guys for coming out and questioning Gibbs (now granted if this is all a load of BS as it rightfully should and Portis is still the starter, I take it back) but Portis IS a team player. He has done nothing ever since he got to this team but put up with the crappy QB play, pass protection, and just had fun. He has also shouldered the blame for his earlier fumble mistakes and claimed the loss for those games. Guess what he's done? Hasn't fumbled since week 4 at Cleveland. If Gibbs can't see that Portis is a true team player, then perhaps Gibbs needs to get chewed out by our "obnoxious" owner. Gibbs wanted Brunell, that turned out to be a load of crap. Gibbs wanted Ray Brown, well he's done alright but nothing too impressive. See the trend? Outside of Cooley, Portis has been Gibbs's only wanted player that has actually CARRIED this offense! Imagine how bad it would be without him!

Look guys I appologize for ranting about our beast of a head coach here, but give me a break. You play your best players in the NFL if you expect to win games. If Portis is benched and its not because of any legal trouble or injury, I hope the Giants beat the living daylights out of us.

[Ramsey2Moss]

:lol1: Portis is the 2nd highest paid running back in the NFL and he can't be effective vs the Steelers? Personally I think Portis is a BUST !!!! For that price :cry: Portis has a bad attitude and has not been giving his all on the field lately. Gibbs and the players see that. Did anybody see Ramsey yelling at Portis at the end of the game ?? kinda weird huh? I personally hope we trade Portis for draft picks and get rid of his hefty price because I think Portis is either a product of the Denver sytem or just doesnt fit Gibbs system. Bottom line I think Portis = BUST !!!!
You must be a bandwagon fan, because you can't tell talent worth a crap. Portis has carried our entire offense in our three victories (almost lead us to our fourth against Green Bay), and alot of people labeled him as a system back coming from denver. Well, he's proving people wrong. When he goes for over 1,000 with still four games to go people will be eating crow for those who said hes a bust. Yes, he is very expensive and for that money you would expect immediate results. First year for a head coach who has been out of the game for more than a decade. Hmm, you expect 2,000 yards and a MVP, right? We are supposed to win the super bowl in year one, right? Regardless of facing the #1 defense in the league last week, right? Dispite all our injuries to the offensive line and crappy play from chris samuels, right? Do you even UNDERSTAND why Ramsey was yelling at the end of the game? HE WAS FRUSTRATED THAT HE JUST THREW AN INTERCEPTION. You, sir, disgust me and you are an insult to redskins fans.

Go back to worshipping McNabb and the Eagles. I have no time to deal with bandwagonners such as yourself.

[whistleandthumb]

:lol1: Portis is the 2nd highest paid running back in the NFL and he can't be effective vs the Steelers? Personally I think Portis is a BUST !!!! For that price :cry: Portis has a bad attitude and has not been giving his all on the field lately. Gibbs and the players see that. Did anybody see Ramsey yelling at Portis at the end of the game ?? kinda weird huh? I personally hope we trade Portis for draft picks and get rid of his hefty price because I think Portis is either a product of the Denver sytem or just doesnt fit Gibbs system. Bottom line I think Portis = BUST !!!!
I kept scrolling down, waiting for your post that said "SYKE!!!," but I haven't seen it yet. I'm sure you just forgot to post it.

[LATrueRedskin]

:lol1: Portis is the 2nd highest paid running back in the NFL and he can't be effective vs the Steelers? Personally I think Portis is a BUST !!!! For that price :cry: Portis has a bad attitude and has not been giving his all on the field lately. Gibbs and the players see that. Did anybody see Ramsey yelling at Portis at the end of the game ?? kinda weird huh? I personally hope we trade Portis for draft picks and get rid of his hefty price because I think Portis is either a product of the Denver sytem or just doesnt fit Gibbs system. Bottom line I think Portis = BUST !!!!

And how exactly do you know all this? That Portis has a bad attitude and hasn't been giving his all on the field lately, and that Gibbs and the players see that? A very bad post by you BSMKF. We don't know why Portis didn't get in the game vs. the Steelers. After 11 games with a bad offense, I don't know how 1,000 yards equals a bust. Yeah he only has 2 rushing TD's, but it's not his fault that the rest of the offense is so inept, we can't get close enough for him to score. We get down by too much that we have to pass inorder to catch up. Yeah I saw Ramsey say something to Portis at the end of the game, but that's football. Guys are yelling at eachother pretty much every play, telling them to step it up and get it going.

[Jimskin]

I have only heard stellar comments from JG about CP in post game interviews and day after (after watching film) press conferences. But, I heard the same stellar comments about Brunell. (go figure) I sure wish he'd make the same kind of comments about Ramsey.

[flave1969]

i agree flave, that the playcalling needs to be adjusted, but when portis runs well, he runs with patience. i definitely feel like gibbs needs to adjust what type of plays he runs with portis, but portis also needs to consistently run with patience.

I think he does get carried away with his enthusiasm for the game, and he probably does lose patience this way. I just think with CP there is a potential 100 yard game every game if we run the right kind of plays. i certainly do not think that the way he has played this year deserves a game with just six carries.

[eastcoast2895]

saw an interview with coach bugel either yesterday or wednesday and he said portis was practicing extremely hard. then he went on to say that he (bugel) and the team want clinton to get his 1500, 1600+ yards this season. considering how straight forward bugel is all the time, i consider this to mean portis isn't in the doghouse and that last week was because of how they decided to use portis and betts (by drives and not plays). i wouldn't be surprised if portis is in all the plays sunday. maybe he'll even be on defense and special teams if the coaching staff really want to get their point across.

[IMALILTEAPOT]

I wanna see CP as the 3rd down running back. not betts. when hes in there, the defense knows its gonna be a pass.

[Keino]

I wanna see CP as the 3rd down running back. not betts. when hes in there, the defense knows its gonna be a pass.


I don't think Betts should ever be in the game unless Portis is Hurt, or needs to get a breather. Thats it. Portis should be the 3rd down back. I don't understand Gibbs on this one..........

[IMALILTEAPOT]

I don't think Betts should ever be in the game unless Portis is Hurt, or needs to get a breather. Thats it. Portis should be the 3rd down back. I don't understand Gibbs on this one..........
yea thats true. betts isnt even that good of a 3rd down rb

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

I don't think Betts should ever be in the game unless Portis is Hurt, or needs to get a breather. Thats it. Portis should be the 3rd down back. I don't understand Gibbs on this one..........
i agree. i think its okay to give betts a carry or two just to change it up, but he should not be the 3rd down back. 3rd down is almost always a passing situationa and betts is not a good pass blocker at all.

[IMALILTEAPOT]

i agree. i think its okay to give betts a carry or two just to change it up, but he should not be the 3rd down back. 3rd down is almost always a passing situationa and betts is not a good pass blocker at all.
just ask ed reed that

[Jimreaper007]

just ask ed reed that


Good point....Betts caught the flu from the breeze Reed created from blowing by him so fast.