why doesnt gibbs like ramsey?

[BIGSEF3]

i just read the article from the richmond dispatch thats posted on hr.com about how ramsey has won over fans, but not the coach. i didnt realize it, but he said gibbs praised almost every single player on offense in post-game, except ramsey. he was reluctant to talk about ramsey, even when prompted by reporters.

does anyone know what the delio is? heck, gibbs complimented brunell when he threw 1 for 100 for -200 yards (not really, but it seemed like it). brunell would look just awful and gibbs would talk about how good he was and how bad the rest of the offense was. now, ramsey plays a solid game, NO TURNOVERS, 19-22, did everything gibbs asked of him, and gibbs won't give a SINGLE COMPLIMENT?

whats going on here. someone more familiar with gibbs first tenure please explain.

[lakeskin]

On Sunday, Ramsey performed like Gibbs's ideal quarterback. His rating -- which the Redskins coaching staff holds in regard because of its correlation to efficiency -- was a career-high 139.2. "In this game," Gibbs said, "he kind of stepped up another notch."

When asked what Ramsey is showing for the first time, Gibbs said: "He's obviously playing against very good teams and it's for real and it's in the regular season. . . . He's managing the game extremely well. In all three games, he's been very poised." (from the Washington Post)


What are you looking for? A benediction? Sounds pretty complimentary to me.

[whitskins]

I actually thought this was a pretty terrible article. Nothing but repeating what all of us have heard ad nauseum about the QB situation. Then at the end he brings up Gibbs post game praising to try and stir something up. I make nothing of it, I'm pretty sure Gibbs isn't mad at Ramsey after going 19-22 for 3 TDs, he probably just doesn't want Ramsey to get cocky. Gibbs in the locker room and with the media are two totally different people.

[BIGSEF3]

i'm just quoting what the guy said in the richmond dispatch article. are you saying it wasnt accurate? I sure hope not. Ramsey and everything he has said, his support for brunell when he was starter, his complete trust and confidence in gibbs, his desire to be the QB that gibbs wants, not the QB he thinks he should be... it just really really impresses me. Ramsey seems like he's got alot of character.

Lets hope this is nothing but crap:

possibly BS - decide for yourself (http://www.timesdispatch.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=RTD%2FMGArticle%2FRTD_BasicArti cle&c=MGArticle&cid=1031779527145&path=%21sports&s=1045855934844)

[lakeskin]

I think its just a writer trying to stir things up to get his name out there. I live near LA so I know the type.

Just read all of Gibbs quotes from other news sources. He seemed pretty pleased with Patrick, even after the two losses.

[silverspring]

i'm just quoting what the guy said in the richmond dispatch article. are you saying it wasnt accurate?

BIGSEF-I have always gotten the feeling that gibbs didn't really like ramsey too much, i mean why would he have gotten brunell if he really liked him. And in the past he has always kind of been politically correct when speaking about him but not real genuine with the compliments. But I listened to gibbs press conference yesterday afternoon and he seemed to say quite a few positive things about him. Hopefully their relationship is good. Here is the url for the realmedia stream for the press conference:

http://play.rbn.com/?url=nfl/nfl/open/redskins/demand/041206redskinspress.rm&proto=rtsp&rbnkey=1

[BIGSEF3]

Just read all of Gibbs quotes from other news sources. He seemed pretty pleased with Patrick, even after the two losses.

GOOD. If we can go into the offseason KNOWING who our QB and defensive coach are, going into next season, I feel happy. Gibbs can change whatever else the hell he wants.

[Jimskin]

You really gotta try hard to find the negative in sundays game. This guy, it seems, had to invent one.

[Kope65]

In Gibb's monday press conference the first person on the offense he praised was Ramesy. He was very supportive. keep in mind - as he was supporting Brunell he was making a point to keep the faith for brunell's confidence. He might not feel feel has to publicly keep Ramsey's confidence up. That is how I read it anyway. Cheers :)

[IowaSkinsFan]

i just read the article from the richmond dispatch thats posted on hr.com about how ramsey has won over fans, but not the coach. i didnt realize it, but he said gibbs praised almost every single player on offense in post-game, except ramsey. he was reluctant to talk about ramsey, even when prompted by reporters.

does anyone know what the delio is? heck, gibbs complimented brunell when he threw 1 for 100 for -200 yards (not really, but it seemed like it). brunell would look just awful and gibbs would talk about how good he was and how bad the rest of the offense was. now, ramsey plays a solid game, NO TURNOVERS, 19-22, did everything gibbs asked of him, and gibbs won't give a SINGLE COMPLIMENT?

whats going on here. someone more familiar with gibbs first tenure please explain.

If Gibbs didn't like him or didn't think he was a Redskin, he wouldn't be here. That simple, IMO.

[Patrick]

Gibbs has something against Ramsey???????? ........ That's a joke right???
Come on - anyone who thinks that, isn't seeing the big picture. You better start thinking back when Gibbs first got here and went after Burnell. Ramsey was NOT happy and wanted to be traded. THAT would have been the perfer time to DUMB Patrick BUT Gibbs didn't (and wouldn't) knowing full well that this was his QB for the future. ............... Gibbs only mistake - Paying too much for the experienced QB. AND NO one could have predicted Burnell's skills deterioration that we saw.

[CarMike]

BIGSEF, you should read more than 1 article before starting a thread like this. It'll prove that Gibbs was very complimentary of Ramsey.

[NamVet4]

why doesnt gibbs like ramsey?

" 'Tis a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, amounting to nothing !

[joethefan]

What are you looking for? A benediction? Sounds pretty complimentary to me.
That is funny...... :lol1:

[hail2skins]

Maybe it was an oversight on his part.
Maybe he felt Patrick's performance spoke for itself.
Maybe he was defending Brunell with those compliments you spoke of.

I wouldn't put too much thought into those thoughts from the author.

[skins74]

I listened to the monday press con. and he sayed some nice thing about Ramsey. I think he is still hurting with money bags on the bench (Brunell).

[Spence]

Like shmike. Gibbs will play the guy he thinks will win the most games, whether he likes him or not.

[PennSkinsFan]

I don't think it has anything to sdo with Gibbs liking anyone. I think has to do with Gibbs natural tendency to be suspicious of young Qbs. He hates turnovers and risky throws, and although Ram last week did not do either, he ha sin the past and it will take time for Gibbs to develop full trust. Not just one game.

[CarMike]

I also heard on Sunday after the game where Gibbs told the press that Ramsey has done everything he has asked of him. His first two starts were against Philly and Pittsburgh. In those two starts, he had 1 INT. Gibbs praised Ramsey on that....

IMHO, Gibbs has been very complimentary of Ramsey.

[Skins57]

I can not believe any player thathelps us win and practices hard would not be liked by Joe. I do not know how much Joe remembers the crying Pat did in the offseason but I can't imagine Joe will hold that on him for long, if he plays well and he played very well Sunday

[Sarahsmile215]

why doesnt gibbs like ramsey?

" 'Tis a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, amounting to nothing !

Not to be nitpicky...but the actual quote is, "It is a tale told by an idot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing"...

I know this is terribly OT...and I'm sorry for that.

When I was in highschool we had to memorize this speech, and fortunately or unfortunately, I have a very long memory...especially for speeches.

[BIGSEF3]

BIGSEF, you should read more than 1 article before starting a thread like this. It'll prove that Gibbs was very complimentary of Ramsey.

i was asking everyone a question. i didnt hear either press conference. and i was HOPING that guy was full of crap. its a forum, i made a post. why the hostility?

[skins111111]

those were some pretty nice stats for Ram on Sunday.........His confidence will be up as will the whole offence........we strech the field against the Eagles and we will be in a good position to take home the "W"......after that we have 2 easy wins against the Cryboys and the 9ers.......that will put us 7-8 when we play the Vikings at home (I will be there...smile) anyway look foe Ram to continue to put up decent #s (with Gibbs coaching he is looking comfortable in the pocket, moving better than before , making smart decisions
and protecting the rock) with our D thats all he has to do.....HE IS THE FUTURE!!! and Gibbs is gromming him to be so

[LATrueRedskin]

I also heard on Sunday after the game where Gibbs told the press that Ramsey has done everything he has asked of him. His first two starts were against Philly and Pittsburgh. In those two starts, he had 1 INT. Gibbs praised Ramsey on that....

IMHO, Gibbs has been very complimentary of Ramsey.

I thought so too. I hear Gibbs talking good about Ramsey a lot.

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

i just read the article from the richmond dispatch thats posted on hr.com about how ramsey has won over fans, but not the coach. i didnt realize it, but he said gibbs praised almost every single player on offense in post-game, except ramsey. he was reluctant to talk about ramsey, even when prompted by reporters.

does anyone know what the delio is? heck, gibbs complimented brunell when he threw 1 for 100 for -200 yards (not really, but it seemed like it). brunell would look just awful and gibbs would talk about how good he was and how bad the rest of the offense was. now, ramsey plays a solid game, NO TURNOVERS, 19-22, did everything gibbs asked of him, and gibbs won't give a SINGLE COMPLIMENT?

whats going on here. someone more familiar with gibbs first tenure please explain.
How can you come out with these kind of threads over and over and over again???? Amazing. This has become one of these cases where liberty of opinion is not very favorable.

[NamVet4]

Not to be nitpicky...but the actual quote is, "It is a tale told by an idot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing"...

I know this is terribly OT...and I'm sorry for that.

When I was in highschool we had to memorize this speech, and fortunately or unfortunately, I have a very long memory...especially for speeches.
Thank you Sarahsmile215 for the correction . . . Next time I will get it right !
:)

[chad101]

I listened to the monday press con. and he sayed some nice thing about Ramsey. I think he is still hurting with money bags on the bench (Brunell).

Agree. Gibbs cant come off as too estatic for Patrick when he is responsible for the worst off season move in the NFL,(Brunell).

[LuvSkins17]

why doesnt gibbs like ramsey?

" 'Tis a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, amounting to nothing !

Bring Back the "Weinner" and "Village Idiot" avatars boys!
and I actually thought he would calm down after this win.... :eaglesuk:

[Jimreaper007]

GIBBS LOVES FREEDOM, APPLE PIE AND PATRICK RAMSEY

[IMALILTEAPOT]

no i think bigsef is kind of rite. i have noticed that gibbs has given a lot more compliments to brunell than ram. with brunell, he would go on and say hes super smart and all that stuff, but with ram he would always say hes improving. i mean, we dont know gibbs's feelings of course, but i have noticed a difference

[bgforever]

Feelings, nothing more than feelings.

Just a huncher in Richmond that's all. Nothing of it.

Gibbs words are final on that issue.

[RedskinsVision]

no i think bigsef is kind of rite. i have noticed that gibbs has given a lot more compliments to brunell than ram. with brunell, he would go on and say hes super smart and all that stuff, but with ram he would always say hes improving. i mean, we dont know gibbs's feelings of course, but i have noticed a difference

i heard Gibbs calling Ramsey "super-smart" as well as "poised", "great arm", "future of the Redskins" and "he's not going anywhere" after he got Brunell and Ramsey's agent wanted him traded. Gibbs have definitely been complimenting Ramsey but not thoroughly to dissuade his confidence and decision on bringing in Brunell. he doesn't want to make it sound like he's admitting failure for signing Brunell and also not to lose him in case we need him again if Ramsey gets hurt. it's a fine line for Gibbs to walk on cuz he knows Ramsey is the future but that he signed Brunell to be the 'now'.

[ConradCountry]

Maybe we are in for a new young QB next year no matter what. I don't necasseily want this but I have noticed that he doesn't really praise Ramsye that much.

Who Knows?

[PennSkinsFan]

no i think bigsef is kind of rite. i have noticed that gibbs has given a lot more compliments to brunell than ram. with brunell, he would go on and say hes super smart and all that stuff, but with ram he would always say hes improving. i mean, we dont know gibbs's feelings of course, but i have noticed a difference

Gibbs fiercely defends his players he did it for Theisman his last season when he was horrible, he did it for Jay Schroeder. He may chew them out in private but will walk to the end of the earth defending his players in public. That is why you heard many more compliments of Mark Brunell. He was playign horrible and Gibbs had to defend his honor. PLUS, don't forget that Brunell was Gibbs veteran choice. Some of the defense may also have been covering up for his decision. The less he says about a player, then you knwo that player is getting the job done.

[BIGSEF3]

How can you come out with these kind of threads over and over and over again???? Amazing. This has become one of these cases where liberty of opinion is not very favorable.

my opinion is that you dont pay attention. i was ASKING A QUESTION about that article. NEVER did i even insinuate that i beleived or even wanted it to be true. i was ASKING what the deal was. this has been one of those cases where people need to pay attention and not be hostile. by your attitude and manners, i would say YOU are a philly fan

[rskinsfan10]

my opinion is that you dont pay attention. i was ASKING A QUESTION about that article. NEVER did i even insinuate that i beleived or even wanted it to be true. i was ASKING what the deal was. this has been one of those cases where people need to pay attention and not be hostile. by your attitude and manners, i would say YOU are a philly fan

Actually, if you were asking the question that you are seemingly now attempting to imply that you were, your thread title should have read "Does Gibbs Not Like Ramsey?" or "T-D Reporter Gives the Impression that Gibbs Doesn't Like Ramsey" instead of the one that you created.

[BIGSEF3]

didnt know we had so many masters of the english language here. if you would pay attention to the "spirit" of what i meant, rather than the actual word choice for the title of the thread, you would understand that i was baffled by what i read. i'm a guy who loves the idea of ramsey being the qb of our future and i want him to get his shot to prove he can be as good as alot of us know he can be.

the idea that someone said he WASNT getting praise after me watching what i thought was the SMARTEST game of his career confused the crap out of me. anyway, its a moot point now. since that article, hr.com has posted numerous links to articles which show the guy who wrote this one was full of crap. i especially liked gibbs praise of ramsey for the cooley TD pass. its nice when a redskins QB can do something that actually SURPRISES a stinking HOF coach like joe gibbs! i'd take that as a HUGE compliment, if i were ramsey.

[sdredskinsfan]

On Sunday, Ramsey performed like Gibbs's ideal quarterback. His rating -- which the Redskins coaching staff holds in regard because of its correlation to efficiency -- was a career-high 139.2. "In this game," Gibbs said, "he kind of stepped up another notch."

When asked what Ramsey is showing for the first time, Gibbs said: "He's obviously playing against very good teams and it's for real and it's in the regular season. . . . He's managing the game extremely well. In all three games, he's been very poised." (from the Washington Post)


What are you looking for? A benediction? Sounds pretty complimentary to me.


bigse(agles)f(an)3 is lookin to start sh$% as usual.

[rskinsfan10]

didnt know we had so many masters of the english language here. if you would pay attention to the "spirit" of what i meant, rather than the actual word choice for the title of the thread, you would understand that i was baffled by what i read.

Let's see, you wrote something, got an incredulous response from numerous people, and it's everyone else's fault that you received the responses that you did?

Yeah, okay.....

[dukeuch]

i was asking everyone a question. i didnt hear either press conference. and i was HOPING that guy was full of crap. its a forum, i made a post. why the hostility?

You are right, BIG, you should not be attacked in this way. Besides, I have a feeling that unless Ramsey plays Pro-Bowl good the rest of the way in, there will be questions come next fall about who the starting QB will be. Either Brunell will get another shot, or the 'Skins will draft or import someone else to challenge Ramsey. I think that deep down Gibbs does not think Ramsey is the solution, and "just solid" or "improving" play will not change his mind.

Hope I'm wrong.

[smoak]

Maybe we are in for a new young QB next year no matter what. I don't necasseily want this but I have noticed that he doesn't really praise Ramsye that much.

Who Knows?

but gibbs wouldn't want a rookie at the helm right? plus i think he's praised ramsey more in the lqast three weeks than he had all season...

i dunno? i think ramsey can... to borrow a phrase, git er dun.