What do we do with Gardner?

[ConradCountry]

We all talk about trading him and moving on then he comes out and has an all world day and I know that is what makes him 50/50.

But today he looked like an all world WR.

What do we do with Rod Gardner?

[Santheb]

It was against a rookie CB. It was a great game, but it was against a rookie CB. Let him face another good one and then we'll see.

[split3clemente]

show everyone the tape of today and trade him

[Skins57]

It was against a rookie CB. It was a great game, but it was against a rookie CB. Let him face another good one and then we'll see.


It did not matter who he is facing, he just needs to make catches every week, this is why he is so darn frustrating, he can be great one week and just ugly the next

[colkurtz]

He either makes a spectcular grab or drops an easy one.

His main problem is just that he is so inconsistent.

Don't think we will get better than a third rounder for him. We need new blood in WR.

[Santheb]

It did not matter who he is facing, he just needs to make catches every week, this is why he is so darn frustrating, he can be great one week and just ugly the next

Just saying he makes this thread after a great game from him, but we have to take into consideration the opposition he was facing. There should be no question that we should at least offer him up as trade bait, he is just too incosistent.

[LATrueRedskin]

He played against the 49ers. Let's not get crazy here. I say we see what we can get for him.

[Santheb]

He played against the 49ers. Let's not get crazy here. I say we see what we can get for him.

Thats what I was saying, but I singled out a player instead of the team itself :P

[tbfoster1]

he had a great game today, but he will drop em some other game, trading him is fine by me, if we keep him and he starts to drop, take his arse out of there and put someone else in for the game.

[JoeDaSchmoe]

All Rod Gardner has proven is that when he plays a rookie CB, he can dominate (he was against another rookie when we played Dallas). Personally, I ain't gonna give him a medal for that. Or a contract.

[SkinsD]

show everyone the tape of today and trade him
Exactly...

[dj_stouty]

He played great yesterday...regardless of who was covering him. If we are going to downgrade his performance because he was covered by a rookie, we may as well do the same for Ramsey.

He played AWSOME yesterday...but he still needs to prove his consistancy. 3 straight games w/out a drop is probably a career record for him. But I can't get the thought out of my head that he will probably drop 3 balls versus the Cowboys next week.

I say we wait till the end of the season and see if he has actually learned anything from Hixon and the WR coaches.

[Redskinmayhem]

show everyone the tape of today and trade him


Exactly, lets hope this raises his value

[Jimreaper007]

His scouting report coming out of college said that he has all the talent in the world, but coaches are befuddled by his lapses in concentration.


I believe Gardner is a super talented WR with awesome athletic ability, but his problem just as in college is his lapses in concentration which earn him the title of 50/50...

As is the Redskins luck, we will cut him loose and he will go somewhere and blow up. Maturity normally fixes problems like lapses in concentration and Maybe the Gibbs influence is having a positive effect on him. Maybe Gardner is turning the corner.


Back to reality...the level of competition yesterday was not note worthy so for what they are paying Gardner combined with his athletic skill, he should dominate the 49er corners. The true test is how he performed against the better teams like Pittsburgh, Philly, Green Bay etc.

I like him personally, but I believe we can do better at that position in free agency preferred or the draft (I hate playing rookies at skill positions except running back)

[IndianBaller27]

I don't know. He's playing better than last season. Or at least, it seems like that. We should waiit till the end of the season and see what happens. If he finishes out strong, then keep him. If drops a bunch of balls again, then see what we can get for him.

[PennSkinsFan]

Gardner's chief problem is inconsistency and that is why I can not picture him on the Gibbs team next season. Next game against Dallas, I bet he gets shutout.

[suppitty]

We just play him every 3 weeks. Week 3, 6, 9, 12, and 15. Remember what he did vs the cowboys? and then yesterday. Every 3 weeks.

[Patrick]

IMO - I like the Ramsey/Gardner connection better than the Ramsey/Coles connection so I keep the duo in tack as long as possible.

[IMALILTEAPOT]

the next 2 games are his career

[Jimreaper007]

We just play him every 3 weeks. Week 3, 6, 9, 12, and 15. Remember what he did vs the cowboys? and then yesterday. Every 3 weeks.


Nice...

:lol1:

[Beast56Redskin]

He either makes a spectcular grab or drops an easy one.

His main problem is just that he is so inconsistent.

Don't think we will get better than a third rounder for him. We need new blood in WR.

i'd take a third....

[GoDannyBoy]

the next 2 games are his career

I agree here, Let him have two great games and then trade him!

[swheeler]

If he keeps playing like he did yesterday there's no way we should trade him unless we see something really big from one of our backups. Like Jimreaper said, maybe he's turning the corner. I still don't think the Ramsey-Gardner connection is beter than Ramsey-Coles (anyone remember the philly game?) but if Gardner can keep playing at the level he did yesterday he will definitely be a valuable part of the team.

[Jimreaper007]

In a perfect world and without the concentration lapses and disappearing acts Gardner would be an Art Monk type of Reciever except a little more athletic. I am sure that is exactly what Gibbs wants from Gardner, but Monk had consistency and Gardner does not.

I think Gardner's fate really depends on who is available during the off season because you DO NOT get rid of Gardner unless you are upgrading. Gardner is not an attitude problem or anything like that so the key is can you upgrade. If you can then you make a move. If you are not upgrading then you hope that he watches Art Monk film and catches a million balls a day during the off season.

[ConradCountry]

If Mike Williams is available to us with the 5-7 pick do we trade Gardner and go after Williams.

[bgforever]

show everyone the tape of today and trade him


True!

[bgforever]

If he keeps playing like he did yesterday there's no way we should trade him unless we see something really big from one of our backups. Like Jimreaper said, maybe he's turning the corner. I still don't think the Ramsey-Gardner connection is beter than Ramsey-Coles (anyone remember the philly game?) but if Gardner can keep playing at the level he did yesterday he will definitely be a valuable part of the team.


In High School girls used to bait guys into dating them to get the attention of another guy or get even. When you fell in love with them, they broke your heart.

Gardner's a heart breaker! He's done so get out your pitch forks!

[sdredskinsfan]

show everyone the tape of today and trade him

:lol1: Actually, a good idea.

I would, however, like to see how Gardner does over the next two games. If he continues his consistent quality play then the FO will probably keep him.

[sdredskinsfan]

If Mike Williams is available to us with the 5-7 pick do we trade Gardner and go after Williams.

No to Meyshawn Johnson.

[guinness4health]

trade him
the better he plays the better his value

[2Cooley]

If Mike Williams is available to us with the 5-7 pick do we trade Gardner and go after Williams.


nope we trade down to get more picks

[IowaSkinsFan]

It did not matter who he is facing, he just needs to make catches every week, this is why he is so darn frustrating, he can be great one week and just ugly the next

Ugly would imply that he can be seen. Some weeks he just flat out disappears.

[GolfFreak]

Trade him while he's hot ...

[Jimreaper007]

If Mike Williams is available to us with the 5-7 pick do we trade Gardner and go after Williams.


I am afraid of the following...

1. Playing rookies at skill positions
2. Drafting rookies that left school early (Williams is a superior athlete, but so was westbrook)
3. Drafting Wide recievers who are coming out of school with people questioning their speed.


JERRY PORTER UPDATE: 3 TD catches yesterday against real NFL competition. I am not a fan of rookies except on Defense. Cooley was the exception to the rule.

[Redskinmayhem]

I am afraid of the following...

1. Playing rookies at skill positions
2. Drafting rookies that left school early (Williams is a superior athlete, but so was westbrook)
3. Drafting Wide recievers who are coming out of school with people questioning their speed.


JERRY PORTER UPDATE: 3 TD catches yesterday against real NFL competition. I am not a fan of rookies except on Defense. Cooley was the exception to the rule.

All good points, but Even Mike Williams would be better than Gardner. let's say MW caught 60% and dropped 40%. Still better than old 50/50. Plus MW is better than Roy Williams and Look how well Roy is doing as a #1 in DETROIT with no help and a subpar qb. You're right, Westbrook and MW were both superior athletes but Westbrook was snakebitten. It's just bad luck. If you want to play that game then we shouldn't have even drafted him after the disaster that was Desmond Howard. The draft is a crap shoot. You have to assume the best out of it or why even draft players? About MW's speed, I've read that he runs a 4.5 or so. That's pretty darn fast. Remember, the guy is like 6'4" 225 lb's. He's huge. Plus there's track speed, and football speed. I've seen him play and he's got plenty of football speed. Plus he can get separation. Watch a few of his games and you'll see that he's a beast. Don't forget that Sean Taylor only ran a 4.5 (or worse) at his rookie work out. He's alot faster on the field isn't he????

[MAATOPDOGG]

Build his stats up the next 2 games and trade him for a 3rd rounder in the off-season. Trade down in the 1st rd about 3-5 spots and draft Mike Williams as a replacement while picking up 2nd rounder. Then trade 2nd & low 3rd rounder for a high 2nd and either get Elton Brown or a DE. With the other 3rd rounder draft DT(the monster from Oregon)Draft a center in the 4th round.

[dj_stouty]

All good points, but Even Mike Williams would be better than Gardner. let's say MW caught 60% and dropped 40%. Still better than old 50/50.

Check out my signature. He is actually much better than 50/50. However, while that looks decent in comparison, it is actually VERY bad compared to the average NFL WR.

[Skins4life]

show everyone the tape of today and trade him
:lol1:

Freakin hilarious

[Jimreaper007]

All good points, but Even Mike Williams would be better than Gardner. let's say MW caught 60% and dropped 40%. Still better than old 50/50. Plus MW is better than Roy Williams and Look how well Roy is doing as a #1 in DETROIT with no help and a subpar qb. You're right, Westbrook and MW were both superior athletes but Westbrook was snakebitten. It's just bad luck. If you want to play that game then we shouldn't have even drafted him after the disaster that was Desmond Howard. The draft is a crap shoot. You have to assume the best out of it or why even draft players? About MW's speed, I've read that he runs a 4.5 or so. That's pretty darn fast. Remember, the guy is like 6'4" 225 lb's. He's huge. Plus there's track speed, and football speed. I've seen him play and he's got plenty of football speed. Plus he can get separation. Watch a few of his games and you'll see that he's a beast. Don't forget that Sean Taylor only ran a 4.5 (or worse) at his rookie work out. He's alot faster on the field isn't he????


Mayhem All great points, but...

I would be hesitant to spend my first round pick on anything other than a blue chipper O-Lineman or D-Lineman. Since Gibbs gave the Defense the 1st rounder last year I fully expect him to draft offense this year. I would like to see the Redskins trade down to get more picks and get more line help on both sides of the ball.

If they can turn that 7th pick into two low first rounders or a slighter lower 1st rounder and a high 2nd to get blue chip lineman I would be happy. I would also prefer they get a WR via Free Agency than the draft. I have been a big cheerleader for Jerry Porter because he would give the skins the size you want and the speed that no defensive back in the NFC can match (not even Taylor). Porter is a 2 inch shorter version of Randy Moss except he is built like TO. Porter is the first WR I've seen since Moss to routinely outrun cover two defenses. He simply has to be doubled.

A healthy Coles and Porter would instantly become the scariest WR duo in the NFC and Portis would go nuts due to people out of the box covering those two speed merchants. Cooley might 70-80 catches underneath.

I like Mike Williams and I know he is a beast, but being a beast against college level talent is one thing. Porter is feared by NFL defenses right now and I place more stock in that. Porter is immediate production out of the gate with no growing pains.

[Patrick]

Man, I just dont get all this animosity towards Gardner. Look at the stats guys – there’s two other WRs (and I'm NOT talking Thrash) on our team that DON'T produce squat compared to RG. (and don’t give me the argument that they don’t get a chance – there must be reasons for that in Coach Gibbs opinion and that’s the only one that REALLY counts)…… If you ask me, I’d be thinking of ways to unload D-Mac and JT and finding the another play making WR.

[Jimreaper007]

Man, I just dont get all this animosity towards Gardner. Look at the stats guys – there’s two other WRs (and I'm NOT talking Thrash) on our team that DON'T produce squat compared to RG. (and don’t give me the argument that they don’t get a chance – there must be reasons for that in Coach Gibbs opinion and that’s the only one that REALLY counts)…… If you ask me, I’d be thinking of ways to unload D-Mac and JT and finding the another play making WR.

I like RG too, but production at the 2 WR slot is just not good for the money he is makinf and he flat out disappears in the big games. He went 7-7 against SF, but I barely heard his name in the Eagles Games.

How you perform against the best is how you should be measured....Dude straight poofed (as in disappeared) in the games that mattered most, except the Cowboy game, but they have no CB's.

[BIGSEF3]

All good points, but Even Mike Williams would be better than Gardner. let's say MW caught 60% and dropped 40%. Still better than old 50/50. Plus MW is better than Roy Williams and Look how well Roy is doing as a #1 in DETROIT with no help and a subpar qb. You're right, Westbrook and MW were both superior athletes but Westbrook was snakebitten. It's just bad luck. If you want to play that game then we shouldn't have even drafted him after the disaster that was Desmond Howard. The draft is a crap shoot. You have to assume the best out of it or why even draft players? About MW's speed, I've read that he runs a 4.5 or so. That's pretty darn fast. Remember, the guy is like 6'4" 225 lb's. He's huge. Plus there's track speed, and football speed. I've seen him play and he's got plenty of football speed. Plus he can get separation. Watch a few of his games and you'll see that he's a beast. Don't forget that Sean Taylor only ran a 4.5 (or worse) at his rookie work out. He's alot faster on the field isn't he????

as a #5-7 pick, mike williams would be too expensive. we cant afford to pay anyone in the top 10.

[Patrick]

How you perform against the best is how you should be measured....Dude straight poofed (as in disappeared) in the games that mattered most, except the Cowboy game, but they have no CB's.

Ummm...... you can apply that to Coles, Portis, Ramsey, Burnell, then too!

[Jimreaper007]

Ummm...... you can apply that to Coles, Portis, Ramsey, Burnell, then too!


Ok...lets do that....

You getting rid of Coles?

You getting rid of Portis?

You getting rid of Ramsey for Hasslebeck?

Gardner has been here longer than all of them and his problem to this day has been lapses in concentration and a lack of consistency. I Like RG and I hope that Gibbs can bring out some Art Monk like consistency in him, but I am having trouble seeing that happen. If he stays I hope he will blossom into what all of us envisioned.

[TheGreek1973]

Man, I just dont get all this animosity towards Gardner. Look at the stats guys – there’s two other WRs (and I'm NOT talking Thrash) on our team that DON'T produce squat compared to RG. (and don’t give me the argument that they don’t get a chance – there must be reasons for that in Coach Gibbs opinion and that’s the only one that REALLY counts)…… If you ask me, I’d be thinking of ways to unload D-Mac and JT and finding the another play making WR.
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We need speed on the outside. For me only Porter will do. Nothing against the G man but he just can't get open and drops passes that would be 1st downs. Can't have that. Now Mike Williams. Guys why even take a chance with this guy (that hasn't played in over a year) when you can trade 50/50, trade down your 1st pick and get a good DE and OL players. Then get Porter in FA. What he will give you is speed which need double coverage all the time. And who would double Coles in such a case? You see what I mean. Gardner doesn't give you that and MW will not give you that because even if he runs 4.5 (fat chance I have seen times on him in the 40 in the 4.7 range) that is still not fast for most of the Ds out there. You need to open the backfield for Cooley and Portis to catch balls. That is what Gibbs offenses are all about. Then when the D plays up to cover these passes you hit them with the play action. End of story.

[Patrick]

Ok...lets do that....

You getting rid of Coles?

You getting rid of Portis?

You getting rid of Ramsey for Hasslebeck?

Gardner has been here longer than all of them and his problem to this day has been lapses in concentration and a lack of consistency. I Like RG and I hope that Gibbs can bring out some Art Monk like consistency in him, but I am having trouble seeing that happen. If he stays I hope he will blossom into what all of us envisioned.

HEY - You ARE the one who said "How you perform against the best is how you should be measured......."

I'm NOT getting rid of anyone (well mayber Taylor and D-Mac). In my book Gardner is the solid #2 and would make a great #3. I'm all for bringing in another WR who's a play maker and have even projected that as an off-season priority.

[CowboyKilla]

He is the ultimate enigma. Flip a coin, I'm fine either way.

[JoeDaSchmoe]

I've been on the "get rid of Rod" bandwagon for about two months now, and one good game against a rookie corner isn't gonna change my mind.

[silverspring]

I really see no reason not to keep him.

1)He isn't expensive, tiny cap issue
2)His trade value isn't going to be that high (the scouts aren't idiots, 1 game doesn't make a difference)
3)He is arguable our most productive receiver. If you compare him and coles, coles has almost double the amount of catches but only about 30% more yards. Gardner has 5 tds, coles 1.
4)He drops the ball, but he never fumbles
5)He knows the system

The problem with gardner is these days he could be inactive on the IR and another WR could drop a ball in the game and immediately people want to hang gardner.

I worry more about what we are going to do with coles considering how much he is costing us. He had one good game this year, last week was the only game of the year that he made second efforts. And his play this week was pretty disappointing, no second efforts and at least one ball right through his hands. He got this toe problem last year, and I would assume that if it was a good surgery candidate he would have taken care of it in the offseason. It is very probable that this toe problem is not repairable. If that is the case we might want to cut our losses. I love coles when he is healthy but if he isn't going to be healthy he is no good to us.

[Patrick]

I love coles when he is healthy but if he isn't going to be healthy he is no good to us.

NOW THERE'S A REAL CONCERN ............ and I agree 100%. Coles is not playing to his potenial and it's looks to me that his "good" (which haven't been much more than OK) games are becoming fewer and further apart. The toe appears to be more of an issue than he's willing to admit. .... AND I can't blame him either IF some of the reports I've heard/read are even half true.