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[Gump84]

Current NFC playoffs:

#1 Eagles – 12-1 Dallas, @ St. Louis, Cincy
#2 Falcons – 11-3 WIN, @ NO, @ Seattle
#3 Packers – 8-5 Jax, @ Minnesota, @ Chicago
#4 Seahawks – 7-6 @ NYJ, Arizona, Atlanta
#5 Vikings – 7-6 @Detroit, GB, @ Washington
Rams – 6-7 @Arizona, Philly, NY Jets
Panthers – 6-8 LOSS, @ TB, NO
Cowboys – 5-8 @Philly, Washington, @ Giants
Lions – 5-8 Minnesota, Chicago, @ Tennessee
Bears – 5-8 Houston, @ Detroit, GB
Bucs – 5-8 NO, Carolina, @ Arizona
Saints – 5-8 @TB, Atlanta, @ Carolina
Giants – 5-9 LOSS, @ Cincy, Dallas
Redskins – 5-9 WIN, @ Dallas, Minnesota
Cardinals – 4-9 St. Louis, @ Sea, TB




What the Redskins need to be the #6 seed:
Win last 2 games, which would make them 7-9
Panthers lose 1, Rams lose 2, Cowboys lose 1, Lions lose 1, Bears lose 1, Bucs lose 1, Saints lose 1, Giants lose 1

For the 6th seed, we need:

1. Panthers lose 1 more against Tampa Bay or New Orleans OR Vikings lose to the Lions, the Packers, and obviously the Redskins OR Seahawks lose to New York Jets, Green Bay, and Atlanta

2. Rams lose 2 games out of games vs Arizona, the Philadelphia (who will most likely be resting starters sadly), and the New York Jets

3. Cowboys lose 1 more (against the Redskins, although they will lose to Philadelphia tomorrow anyway)

4. Lions lose 1 more against Minnesota, Chicago, or Tennessee

5. Bears lose 1 more against Houston, Detroit, or Green Bay

6. Bucs lose 1 more against New Orleans, Carolina, or Arizona

7. Saints lose 1 more against Tampa Bay, Atlanta, or Carolina

8. Giants lose 1 more against Cincinnati or Dallas (they win the tie-breaker with us if they beat both teams)

Most probable path:
Redskins beat Cowboys and Vikings, finish 7-9

Cowboys lose to Philadelphia in week 15, Cowboys eliminated

Rams beat Cardinals in week 15 but lose to the Eagles (week 16) and then Jets (week 17), Rams tie Redskins in conference record, common games record, and go down to strength of victory. Based on how I believe the final 3 weeks will go, the Redskins should win this category. The Redskins opponents that they beat should have a combined record of 41-71 or so, and the Ram’s opponents they beat should have a combined record of between 35-77 to 39-73, Rams eliminated

Lions lose to Minnesota in week 15, Lions eliminated

Bears lose Houston in week 15 or to Green Bay in week 17, Bears eliminated

Saints lose to Atlanta in week 16, Saints eliminated

Now, for the 2 games teams that will determine everything:

The Panthers need to lose 1 more to get eliminated – they play Tampa and New Orleans

The Bucs need to lose 1 more to get eliminated – they play New Orleans, Carolina, and Arizona

Basically, the Bucs need to either lose to New Orleans or Arizona (VERY preferably New Orleans) while managing to beat Carolina. If Carolina beats Tampa, Carolina needs to lose to New Orleans

If Carolina loses 1 more AND Minnesota or Seattle loses all 3, the Bucs don’t have to lose another game OR the Rams don’t have to lose another game and the Redskins will still be in.

[Santheb]

So basically, its not happening? lol :P

[Gump84]

Actually, it's not that far-fetched.

If we win our last 2, it will come down to the Saints being able to beat either the Bucs or the Panthers (The Saints have to beat whichever teams wins the week 16 matchup between the Bucs and Panthers). If that happens, we're most likely in.

My suggestion: Root very, very hard for the Saints to beat the Bucs tomorrow and become a Bucs fan next week for their game against the Panthers.

[Santheb]

But...what about the Vikings? They play the Lions. I'm not so sure about that, man. I think Green Bay and the Skins have a good shot, but the Lions? The offensive juggernaut that is the Vikings should be able to beat up on them. Other than that, it's a lot of stipulation, but...maybe.

Or is this saying that the Vikes will get the fifth seed? If not, then maybe it could possibly happen. But, there are still lots of things that need to happen in order for us to win. We don't even know if we're going to win our next two games :/

[Gump84]

I'm assuming the Vikings make the playoffs. My scenario above was mostly based upon the Redskins making the playoffs over the Rams/Panthers/Bucs with the Vikings as the #5 seed.

[Santheb]

Ah, right, gotcha. Well, I hope we make it, but there is a lot of stuff that has to happen in order for us to make it. It can still happen though. Amazingly, for a 5-9 team, lol.

[Jero]

Gump84-it was very nice of you to sort this all out and it is appreciated from me. But don't forget the other things that have to happen as well:

1) 'Christmas With the Kranks' must gross at least $100 million at the box office.
2) A three foot blizzard must hit Key West.
2) The Washington Nationals must rise from the dead and trade for the entire Yankee lineup.


Then, and only then, if these things happen (along with that other stuff) we have a chance of making the playoffs. :)

[BIGSEF3]

the panthers can lose to tampa bay but there is no way in hell they lose to new orleans.

the most far-fetched aspect of this is that the vikings HAVE to lose to the lions today and dante culpepper has NEVER lost to the lions before.

after that game is over, i give us a better than 50/50 chance, assuming we win our last 2 games.

[suppitty]

200:1 odds. I love it. Haha could you imagine a 7-9 team in the playoffs.

[IMALILTEAPOT]

http://sportsmed.starwave.com/media/nfl/2001/0904/photo/s_mora_i.jpg
PLAYOFFS????
seriously thou, how can u guys talk about playoffs. we need all the miracles in the world to help us on that one

[Jimreaper007]

Lots of plane crashes (where no one dies) but everyone is hurt....

The Skins take the bus and they are on the only team left in the NFC healthy enough to play.

[Gump84]

The Vikings do NOT have to lose to the Lions. The far fetched part of it is assuming that the Saints will beat either the Bucs of the Panthers.

[Beast56Redskin]

ah guys c'mon, have a little fun. with this nfc? anything is possible.... even if we dont make the playoffs, winning the last two would make great strides for the confidence going into next season.

[Gump84]

Guys, I know you think it is impossible, but we really do have a great shot if the Saints can beat the Bucs today and then the Bucs can beat the Panthers next week. If the Bucs win next week, the Saints only need to beat the Panthers in week 17, but not today. That is the only thing stopping us from going to the playoffs, other than the fact we need to beat the Cowboys and Vikings. The sad part is if we had beaten the Eagles, we'd almost definitely be in.

[rskinsfan10]

I believe....

[Keino]

Call me crazy, but I don't believe a 7-9 team deserves to be in the playoffs and I, frankly, don't want to take the Backdoor.

The truth of the matter is that we shouldn't be in this position, as yesterday should've (I know, coulda shoulda woulda) been our 9th win.

Im content finishing 7-9, which makes a 2 game improvement over last year.

[2Cooley]

I believe....


me too at least i have something to look forward to

[bgforever]

I would want to be there just to rub it in, that we weren't the chinese fire drill, Len Pastabelli, Vic Carruci and Boomer Esaison made us out to be .

I can also wait one more year instead to go DEEP in the playoffs :) :Pickle:

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

Call me crazy, but I don't believe a 7-9 team deserves to be in the playoffs and I, frankly, don't want to take the Backdoor.

The truth of the matter is that we shouldn't be in this position, as yesterday should've (I know, coulda shoulda woulda) been our 9th win.

Im content finishing 7-9, which makes a 2 game improvement over last year.
If you make the playoffs you deserve to be there..regardless of record.
Granted, we might not be a "GOOD" team but if we make the playoffs..
apparently, we are better than some teams. :)

[swheeler]

Call me crazy, but I don't believe a 7-9 team deserves to be in the playoffs and I, frankly, don't want to take the Backdoor.

The truth of the matter is that we shouldn't be in this position, as yesterday should've (I know, coulda shoulda woulda) been our 9th win.

Im content finishing 7-9, which makes a 2 game improvement over last year.

1) IMO, the new Ramsey skins deserve to be in the playoffs

2) If things work out so any team "takes the back door" (and I think that applies to 7-9 and 8-8 teams) it might as well be us.

:bangdesk: (knocking on wood)

[Gump84]

If the Cowboys manage to beat the Eagles like they are currently doing, we're in trouble. If that happened, the Giants would have to lose to the Bengals next week and then beat the Cowboys in week 17.

[Gump84]

It's looking good now. The Eagles are about to take the lead, the Lions have a chance against Detroit but we need to watch out. Someone else (Bears or Titans) has to be able to beat the Lions to make them 7-9. If the Vikings lose today, against the Packers next week, and then against us, they are out. We also still need to hope the Saints can pull of a miracle against the Bucs and then next week the Bucs can beat the Panthers. If all that happened, we'd actually be the #5 seed at 7-9, haha.

[BIGSEF3]

the game you should be worried about is the lions/vikings. if the vikings win, they will be 8-6 and we would be eliminated. its like 3 minutes left in the 4th quarter, tied 21.

and if the lions win this week, which they need to for us to make the playoffs, they have to lose next week to chicago. quite frankly, i cant see anyone losing to chicago, let alone the lions.

[Jimreaper007]

Our playoff game is next sunday when we issue pound cake to the cowgirls!

Our next playoff game is issuing some pound cake to Ramdy Moss and Friends to close out on a high note.

[Gump84]

BIGSEF3, I don't know why you always insist that the Vikings have to lose for us to have any chance. They are going to be in the playoffs as the #5 seed. We only need to worry about Carolina, St Louis, and TB now.

[swheeler]

We only need to worry about Carolina, St Louis, and TB now.

And don't forget Washington. Even if all the other games go our way, we still need to win our last two. Note I said worry about Washington, not about Dallas and Minnesota, because if we lose either of those games it will be because we beat ourselves.

[BIGSEF3]

those other teams are all playing eachother alot in the coming weeks so there is a high chance they will all cancel eachother out. i read someone elses post about us making the playoffs and however they worked it out, the vikings had to lose all 3 of their final games.

[Gump84]

Nope,

Basically, we need to win our last 2 games. The Lions, Bears, and Cowboys got eliminated today assuming we win our final 2.

The Rams need to lose 2 of their remaining 3 games and with a 7-9 record, we'll take the wildcard spot over them.

The Bucs need to lose to either NO, Carolina, or Arizona and if they lose to Carolina, Carolina needs to lose to NO. If the Bucs beat Carolina, they need to either have lost to NO or lose to Arizona.

The Giants have to lose against Cincy or Dallas as they will get the wildcard spot over us at 7-9.

If all of these happen, the playoffs will look like this:

1. Philly
2. Atlanta
3. Green Bay
4. Seattle
5. Minnesota
6. Washington (7-9)
7. St. Louis (7-9)
8. Carolina (7-9)
9. Tampa Bay (7-9)
10. Dallas (7-9)
11. NY Giants (6-10)
etc...

[BIGSEF3]

why would we get in with 7-9 as opposed to the other 4 teams? we didnt play any of them this year, so a win against them doesnt push us above them. so what gives us the edge?

[ArRiNgToN_56]

God wants us to be in the playoffs, the Cards are up 17-0 on the Rams.

[Gump84]

Against the Rams, we win in the strength of victory category. Against the others, we either beat them head to head or have a better conference record. And btw, above, Dallas should have been marked as 6-10 and Detroit is 7-9.

[suppitty]

TOuchdown Zona! 24-7! Has anything really gone wrong today?

[ArRiNgToN_56]

Do we have the Tie-Breaker on the Saints? I know we have it on the Bucs so i'm sure weather i should cheer for the Bucs or the Saints.

[redskin_rich]

Do we have the Tie-Breaker on the Saints? I know we have it on the Bucs so i'm sure weather i should cheer for the Bucs or the Saints.
New Orleans is 3-6 in the conference, Wash is 5-5, so we have the tiebreaker as of now.

[ArRiNgToN_56]

New Orleans is 3-6 in the conference, Wash is 5-5, so we have the tiebreaker as of now.

I can't believe Jeff Carney just shanked a 38 yard FG.

[2Cooley]

Carney needs to lose his job

[ArRiNgToN_56]

God wants us to be in the playoffs, the Cards are up 17-0 on the Rams.

Pittman Just fumbled the ball Saints ball on Tampa's 40.

[inevitable]

Saints just got a fumble back




It would be real nice if the Rams lose all three of their last games

then we wouldn't have to worry about the strength of schedule tie breaker.

If they lose to Arizona, I seriously doubt they'll win their last 2.

And I think TB has the defense to beat the Panters, this could be awesome.

[inevitable]

SAINTS JUST SCORED!

[2Cooley]

We cant over look Min and Dallas but it is nowhere near as hard as it would have been to beat min eariler in the season then next week the have GB at home and then they have us At FedEx. side note: vikings have lost 17 out of there last 19 outside.

this will be so great

[2Cooley]

SAINTS JUST SCORED!


YESSSSSSSSSS

[inevitable]

SAINTS WIN!

So, after today we have:


Rams lost (check)
Lions lost (check)
Bucs los (check)
Bears lost (check)
Cowboys lost (check)

Man, thats like 5 out of 8 done

Assuming the redskins win out,

Saints must lose to Falcons (very very possible)
Panthers gotta lose to Bucs (at TB, also possible)
Rams gotta lose one more (Philly (13-1) or Jets (10-4) , also very very possible)


Thats not to far fetched.

[Redskinmayhem]

SAINTS WIN!

So, after today we have:


Rams lost (check)
Lions lost (check)
Bucs los (check)
Bears lost (check)
Cowboys lost (check)

Man, thats like 5 out of 8 done

Assuming the redskins win out,

Saints must lose to Falcons (very very possible)
Panthers gotta lose to Bucs (at TB, also possible)
Rams gotta lose one more (Philly (13-1) or Jets (10-4) , also very very possible)


Thats not to far fetched.


WOW!!!! Ok , i don't like our destiny being in other teams hands but I'll take playoffs any way we can have it. Do you all realize how dangerous a team we are right now????? Assuming we win out, Any team we play will be waliking into a buzzsaw!!!!!!

[IndianBaller27]

OMG!!! That is crazy! If we make it, I would seriously CRY! This is just unbelievable. It's crazy how fricken bad the NFC is!!! hahaha.... j/p.. But we're 5-9 and we still have a shot at the playoffs! Not too far-fetched either. I was talking to my dad today, and I was like, "we're still mathematically alive." Of course, I was saying that sarcastically. Even though I was being sarcastic, he said we weren't cuz those teams that had to lose would play each other and one of them would have to win and all that crap. And how there can't be a team with a losing record in the playoffs. Well now look at this! We're still very alive!

[Ramsey2Moss]

Assuming the redskins win out,

Saints must lose to Falcons (very very possible)
Panthers gotta lose to Bucs (at TB, also possible)
Rams gotta lose one more (Philly (13-1) or Jets (10-4) , also very very possible)


Thats not to far fetched.
Rams will lose, Saints will lose, but Panthers aren't going to lose to TB. Do we need Carolina to lose once, or twice? And who are they playing besides TB?

[Redskinfan28]

If the Giants lose to the Bengals, the Saints lose to the Falcons, the Panthers lose to the Bucs, and the Rams lose to the Eagles, we will control our own destiny in the game against the Vikings.

I say again.....


If the Giants lose to the Bengals, the Saints lose to the Falcons, the Panthers lose to the Bucs, and the Rams lose to the Eagles, we will control our own destiny in the game against the Vikings.

1. The Bengals have a good chance of beating the GMen
2. The Falcons should beat the Saints
3. The Bucs have a good chance of beating the Panthers
4. The Eagles should beat Rams, whi cannot seem to win a game right now.

Holy Sh!t.

[Ramsey2Moss]

already another topic, but yes. the only one that doesn't seem likely (to me) is tampa beating carolina, but hey, anything can happen. We have to worry about Dallas right now though.

[redskin_rich]

Rams will lose, Saints will lose, but Panthers aren't going to lose to TB. Do we need Carolina to lose once, or twice? And who are they playing besides TB?
The Panthers play New Orleans after Tampa, and Car. needs to lose one of them if we win out.

[Skins57]

So we need No to lose to the Falcons, Carolina to lose to TB and Rams to lose one of final 2. OMG. As of now the biggest thing we need to do is win. Dallas is always a problem for us so this week is our season. It is amazing we can even talk about this. Lets hope Bulger is out for a while.

God I hate the fact that dallas is our season with our record vs them. Minny doesn't worry me as long as we have Springs back.

So it looks like we would goto GB for the wild card weekend right?(if all this falls in line)

[Ramsey2Moss]

So we need No to lose to the Falcons, Carolina to lose to TB and Rams to lose one of final 2. OMG. As of now the biggest thing we need to do is win. Dallas is always a problem for us so this week is our season. It is amazing we can even talk about this. Lets hope Bulger is out for a while.

God I hate the fact that dallas is our season with our record vs them. Minny doesn't worry me as long as we have Springs back.

So it looks like we would goto GB for the wild card weekend right?(if all this falls in line)
I was thinking about that today. If we do get the #6 seed, we either play Seattle or Green Bay. I would prefer Seattle versus Lambeau in like 5 degree weather with a -10 wind chill, but hey, Portis would be in his home element in Denver, right?

[Redskinfan28]

We don't have to worry about Dallas, the team does. As fans we can always look ahead and talk about the playoffs at 5-9.

[LATrueRedskin]

it's a long shot, but there's a chance. All we can do is win the final two games.

[Redskinmayhem]

I was thinking about that today. If we do get the #6 seed, we either play Seattle or Green Bay. I would prefer Seattle versus Lambeau in like 5 degree weather with a -10 wind chill, but hey, Portis would be in his home element in Denver, right?

not if the field is a mess...remember the pit game?

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

so who do we need to lose/win next week? my head is spinning from trying to figure the playoff scenario out, lol.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

just win baby!

the panthers have the bucs number, but weird things always happen in their games, so you never know.

it all comes down to the skins doing their thing though. i wonder if the coaches let the players know that there is a slim chance they can make the post season.....

[GibbsRules!]

If the Giants lose to the Bengals, the Saints lose to the Falcons, the Panthers lose to the Bucs, and the Rams lose to the Eagles, we will control our own destiny in the game against the Vikings.

I say again.....


If the Giants lose to the Bengals, the Saints lose to the Falcons, the Panthers lose to the Bucs, and the Rams lose to the Eagles, we will control our own destiny in the game against the Vikings.

1. The Bengals have a good chance of beating the GMen
2. The Falcons should beat the Saints
3. The Bucs have a good chance of beating the Panthers
4. The Eagles should beat Rams, whi cannot seem to win a game right now.

Holy Sh!t.
I like #'s 1-3. #4 is iffy cause the Iggles clinched home field and might decide to rest some starters. I would hope they wouldn't but you never know. St. Louis is terrible with Chandelier at QB though, so I'm hoping the Iggle D can outscore the Rams themselves. Is Bulger gonna be back for that game?

[Skins57]

I think Portis would have afield day vs either one, I would kinda like to see us play Gb, just to set the record right after that travesty in DC. Could we get to send Brett to retirement? :D I still think the hardest part will winning out. Dallas is gonna be a huge hurdle to climb as we always trip over them. Makes this week so much more important

All I want for xmas is a victory in Dallas

[Skins57]

merged

[GibbsRules!]

All I want for xmas is a victory in Dallas


DITTO!

[Gump84]

It all comes down to this guys:

The Rams are now 6-8, we need them to lose to the Eagles, because if they beat the Eagles, they'll win in the record in common games category. If they lose to the Eagles and beat the Jets, we're fine, because we'll have a better in conference record.

The Giants are now 5-9 with games left against the Bengals and Cowboys. If they lose 1, they are eliminated, but if they win both, they take the last wild card spot with a 7-9 record as they have a better divisional record than us.

The Saints are now 6-8 with games left against the Falcons and the Panthers. There should be no way they win both, so they aren't too much of a worry. With a 7-9 record, they would lose to us for the 6th seed as our in conference record is better.

The Panthers are now 6-8 with games left against the Bucs and the Saints. This is the long shot of all the remaining games. The Bucs are our best shot.

Finally, if we don't win out, nothing matters anyway. Dallas and Minnesota better watch out.

[TheGreek1973]

Honestly I think the game with TB-Carolina is not as hard as they one with Saints. TB killed Atlanta at home and they will be playing for a playoff spot just like us so I think their D will come to play. Saints however can get Atlanta because their last two games they have played well. I agree with the fellow brother skins fan that we just should take care of business and let things fall where they may. All in all I think we have a fair chance. If we would have beaten the Eagles we would be in the driver seat. Man if the Vikings lost today we would have had a great chance since that division is up for grabs and I think BF will have a field day with that weak Vikings D.

[sdredskinsfan]

already another topic, but yes. the only one that doesn't seem likely (to me) is tampa beating carolina, but hey, anything can happen. We have to worry about Dallas right now though.

Exactly. Our history against them suggests that THIS game is the longest shot of them all. But, I'm sure Gibbs will have em ready to fight.

[Skinzaholic]

Tha fact that we are even talking about this shows what a mess the NFC has been in this year.

[inevitable]

Meh, the NFC may be a mess, but we deserve the playoffs just as much as "We lose 31-7 to the Cardinals" Rams, and the "We have had the same kind of season as the Redskins but have a lovable loser at QB" Panthers.

Or the "We can't finish off a season if our life depended on it" Seahawks

or the "If Randy Moss doesn't play, we don't have a snowballs chance" Vikings.

or the "We are literally the worst defensive team in the NFL, bring back the brown paper bag" Saints.

The list goes on.

We deserve this just as much as anyone else.

[Skinzaholic]

Meh, the NFC may be a mess, but we deserve the playoffs just as much as "We lose 31-7 to the Cardinals" Rams, and the "We have had the same kind of season as the Redskins but have a lovable loser at QB" Panthers.

Or the "We can't finish off a season if our life depended on it" Seahawks

or the "If Randy Moss doesn't play, we don't have a snowballs chance" Vikings.

or the "We are literally the worst defensive team in the NFL, bring back the brown paper bag" Saints.

The list goes on.

We deserve this just as much as anyone else.


Yep - you just proved my point.

[superskin]

If the Giants lose to the Bengals, the Saints lose to the Falcons, the Panthers lose to the Bucs, and the Rams lose to the Eagles, we will control our own destiny in the game against the Vikings.

I say again.....


If the Giants lose to the Bengals, the Saints lose to the Falcons, the Panthers lose to the Bucs, and the Rams lose to the Eagles, we will control our own destiny in the game against the Vikings.

1. The Bengals have a good chance of beating the GMen
2. The Falcons should beat the Saints
3. The Bucs have a good chance of beating the Panthers
4. The Eagles should beat Rams, whi cannot seem to win a game right now.

Holy Sh!t.

Good work, Redskin fan 28. I just logged on and was ready to post this exact scenario, only to see that you did the legwork first. Excellent work. Ladies and gentlemen, KEEP HOPE ALIVE. The above-referenced results that Redskin fan 28 listed are VERY feasible. Light voodoo candles, use voodoo dolls, DO WHAT YA GOTTA DO. If we control our own destiny entering the Vikings finale, HELL WILL HATH NO FURY LIKE FED EX FIELD.

By the way, I really appreciate you guys who keep the faith and look at this thing from all angles. One important element of this 12th Man is that we do NOT give up hope. Stranger things have happened, and I wouldnt even categorize the above scenario as "strange". The only thing working against us is the fact that the Iggles have nothing to play for, neither do the Falcons for that matter.

LETS GO FANS! KEEP HOPE ALIVE AND JOIN ME AT FED EX FOR A RAUCOUS CELEBRATION ON 1/2!!!!!!

[BIGSEF3]

you just scared me a little bit... do you think its possible the eagles would rest their starters since they have already clinched homefield advantage throughout the playoffs? they have nothing left to play for, like you said. TO got hurt and that could scare them someone else might get hurt.

add to that they KNOW their winning is essential for us to make the playoffs. they would not intentionally lose, but do you think they would not really "play their A-game" to screw us over and keep their starters healthy?

[Gump84]

The Eagles are the #1 seed, no doubt about it. The Falcons are the #2 seed, no doubt about it. Those 2 teams will definitely use their starters sparingly. They aren't going to lose games on purpose, but you can probably expect their starters to make early 3rd quarter exits, if not earlier.

[BIGSEF3]

i dont want to be called an eagles fan again, but i sure hope they run up the score in the first 3 quarters. same for the falcons.

[riskus]

i thought you were an eagles fan?

[JakeIron]

Luckily Iggles play rams on MNF so whoever is on the field will try to look as good as possible.

[Farbod]

6th Seed still up for grabs... Here is how it shapes out...

If we were to win our last two games, this is what would have to happen for us to make the playoffs...

Because of our horrible division record this is how tough its gonna be...

Teams still left:

Car 6-8* (@TB, NO) Must Lose Both Games
SL 6-8* (PHI, NYJ) Must Lose Both Games
NO 6-8 (ATL, @CAR) Must Lose to ATL, and Beat Carolina
Arizona 5-9 (@Sea, TB) Must Lose One
NY 5-9 (@Cin, Dal) Must Lose One

Chicago - No way can overcome if we win out
Detroit - No way can overcome if we win out
Tampa Bay - No way can overcome if we win out
Dallas - In mentioned scenerio would lose to us and be eliminated

If all this were to happen we would squeak by New Orleans with a better record vs same opponents since wed be tied with both a 2-4 division record...

Go Skins...

If tied with StL or Carolina, they would advance, so previous posts having them lose only one game are incorrect...

[Farbod]

Little Note... 4 out of the 5 teams are playing away next week, and the other is hosting Philly... So if all 5 teams lose, it will come down to these three games

Minnesota @ Washington
New Orleans @ Carolina
New York Jets @ St. Louis

[davepharmd]

From nfl.com
TO BREAK A TIE FOR THE WILD-CARD TEAM
If it is necessary to break ties to determine the two Wild-Card clubs from each conference, the following steps will be taken.
1. If the tied clubs are from the same division, apply division tie breaker.
2. If the tied clubs are from different divisions, apply the following steps.

Two Clubs
1. Head-to-head, if applicable.
2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four.
4. Strength of victory.
5. Strength of schedule.
6. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
7. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
8. Best net points in conference games.
9. Best net points in all games.
10. Best net touchdowns in all games.
11. Coin toss.

StL is 6-5 vs the NFC & CAR is 5-5 vs the NFC, so if we win out,against 2 NFC teams we will be 7-5 vs the NFC. If StL loses to Philly, they will be 6-6 vs the NFC. If CAR loses EITHER of their last 2 games they will be 6-6 at best. As the tiebreakers go down the list, I'm not sure about those, but the Conference record is our best hope right now.

[sdredskinsfan]

6th Seed still up for grabs... Here is how it shapes out...

If we were to win our last two games, this is what would have to happen for us to make the playoffs...

Because of our horrible division record this is how tough its gonna be...

Teams still left:

Car 6-8* (@TB, NO) Must Lose Both Games
SL 6-8* (PHI, NYJ) Must Lose Both Games
NO 6-8 (ATL, @CAR) Must Lose to ATL, and Beat Carolina
Arizona 5-9 (@Sea, TB) Must Lose One
NY 5-9 (@Cin, Dal) Must Lose One

Chicago - No way can overcome if we win out
Detroit - No way can overcome if we win out
Tampa Bay - No way can overcome if we win out
Dallas - In mentioned scenerio would lose to us and be eliminated

If all this were to happen we would squeak by New Orleans with a better record vs same opponents since wed be tied with both a 2-4 division record...

Go Skins...

If tied with StL or Carolina, they would advance, so previous posts having them lose only one game are incorrect...

I'm pretty sure that division record as tiebreaker only applies to teams within the same division.

[Farbod]

WOW... ALL I CAN SAY IS WOW....

[smoak]

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I really don't care about "back door-ing" our way in b/c I feel we were directly cost two games by the officials... can you imagine? Honestly, outside the Iggles, who is the LAST team an NFC coach wants to play in the playoffs... hmmm... well in playoff football you have to play defense and run the football...

GO REDSKINS!!!

[2Cooley]

6th Seed still up for grabs... Here is how it shapes out...

If we were to win our last two games, this is what would have to happen for us to make the playoffs...

Because of our horrible division record this is how tough its gonna be...

Teams still left:

Car 6-8* (@TB, NO) Must Lose Both Games
SL 6-8* (PHI, NYJ) Must Lose Both Games
NO 6-8 (ATL, @CAR) Must Lose to ATL, and Beat Carolina
Arizona 5-9 (@Sea, TB) Must Lose One
NY 5-9 (@Cin, Dal) Must Lose One

Chicago - No way can overcome if we win out
Detroit - No way can overcome if we win out
Tampa Bay - No way can overcome if we win out
Dallas - In mentioned scenerio would lose to us and be eliminated

If all this were to happen we would squeak by New Orleans with a better record vs same opponents since wed be tied with both a 2-4 division record...

Go Skins...

If tied with StL or Carolina, they would advance, so previous posts having them lose only one game are incorrect...


We only need Carolina to lose 1 more game as 2 St. Louis

[split3clemente]

panthers have to lose both games now???? our chances just got so much slimmer, i was really thinking we could make it but after i learned this.....

[GolfFreak]

Yeah, on the Monday Morning QB Show (Sports Talk 980) they said we need Carolina, New Orleans, and St. Louis to lose one more game ... AND either GB or Minn to lose both (luckily we play Minn in week 17).

[split3clemente]

well, GB is def gonna beat minnesota next week, so that takes care of that

[2Cooley]

panthers have to lose both games now???? our chances just got so much slimmer, i was really thinking we could make it but after i learned this.....


no only 1

[openallnight]

panthers have to lose both games now???? our chances just got so much slimmer, i was really thinking we could make it but after i learned this.....
nope, carolina's next 2 games are against nfc opponents if they lose one
they'll end up w/ a 6 - 6 conference record we'd end up at 7 - 5 and get the tie breaker.

[Skinzaholic]

This Eagles team also has an opportunity to make history by the # of wins they may have - so I think they will still play hard to win. The starters may not play the whole game - but no way Reid just sits them for the next 3 weeks (2 games and a bye)...

[Redskinmayhem]

Ok so somone needs to comeup with a checklist that get's updated for the next two weeks. So far we're pretty much in as long as we beat the pukes and the minny's right? What's left for us to make it in???

[smoak]

SuperSkin Advocates Use of VooDoo

[IowaSkinsFan]

Whatever happened to win and your in?

[smoak]

Ok so somone needs to comeup with a checklist that get's updated for the next two weeks. So far we're pretty much in as long as we beat the pukes and the minny's right? What's left for us to make it in???

no. there are 3 6-8 teams that would need to at least lose one game... however, the panthers and NO (two of the teams) play each other and the rams (the third team) have two tough games.

the biggest game for next week is tampa beating the panthers! (i think?) i only glanced at the schedule b/c i don't want to jinx it...

[TexSkin]

Good lord we need a miracle hehe

[smoak]

Meh, the NFC may be a mess, but we deserve the playoffs just as much as "We lose 31-7 to the Cardinals" Rams, and the "We have had the same kind of season as the Redskins but have a lovable loser at QB" Panthers.

Since you brought it up, do you know what I was thinking Saturday night...? I was thinking that if Delhomme had been the Redskins starter from week 1, we would be in the playoffs. The same would have ben true if Ramsey started all season, but what really impressed me is that Delhomme was looking off the defense rather than staring down his target the entire time. There was a play where he stared to the left for about 2 seconds and just turned right and fired a strike to Muhammed. It was a thing of beauty... Delhomme is a lot like Brady (but not as good)... both are slightly above average, but have leadership and moxie. Ramsey had that swagger for a couple games last season... hopefully he'll get it back.

[BIGSEF3]

i think it really will come down to the panthers or redskins. the rams are selfdestructing. the panthers have a realistic chance of losing to tampa bay. tampa bay has been playing rock solid football lately and their D is killer. our biggest challenge really is going to be winning our last 2 games. we're improving, but dallas has been dangerous lately. minnesota i am less worried about b/c they havent played a D like ours yet. and their D doesnt scare me at all. Ramsey shouldnt have too much trouble with them. and since thats the last game of the season, if everything else goes ok and we know we're in the playoffs if we win, you KNOW our D is going to have their best game of the season. especially with lavar fully back by then.

[GolfFreak]

I believe....
:goodpost:

[TheGreek1973]

Ok guys here it is and its very good. (better than we could have hopped).

if new orleans, carolina, st. louis, and dallas all lose next week, then all we have to do is win our last game and we're in.

Dallas its up to us

Tampa has to beat Carolina in Tampa (by far the most importan game for us and the most difficulty IMO)

Philly beating St Louis should be an easy on especially how St Louis is playing latetly.

Atlanta beats the Saints (well Atlanta my have a let down but I don't think so)

The most difficult outcome here guys is Tampa beating Carolina but the Bucs have been great at home (two weeks ago they killed Atlanta) so here is to hoping.

Also us beating the cowgirls is not so easy task.

[Jimreaper007]

I believe too, but I do not want us in the playoffs this year.....that would be ugly..

[RedHokieSkin]

why would we get in with 7-9 as opposed to the other 4 teams? we didnt play any of them this year, so a win against them doesnt push us above them. so what gives us the edge?

I'm with you here. What will the tie-breaker be and how can we be sure we win that tie-breaker? Does someone have some info on this? If so, where did you get it?

[RedHokieSkin]

why would we get in with 7-9 as opposed to the other 4 teams? we didnt play any of them this year, so a win against them doesnt push us above them. so what gives us the edge?

I'm with you on this one.

6. Washington (7-9)
7. St. Louis (7-9)
8. Carolina (7-9)
9. Tampa Bay (7-9)
10. Dallas (7-9)

How can we be sure that we win the tie-breaker here? Does someone have info on this? If so, where is it?

[BandWagon]

The scenario is this simple:

1) Redskins win out
2) Both New Orleans and Carolina lose one game (they play each other)
3) Philadelphia beats the Rams

or at least that's how they explained it on Redskins Extra last night. There is even a scenario where we host the wildcard game....

[TheGreek1973]

Well looks like the big game next week (other than ours against the girls) is Carolina at Tampa. If Tampa win then we are in great shape because the way St Louis is playing right now no way they beat Philly and NO has to beat Atlanta and Carolina. Very douable.

And now for all those guys that thought we shouldn't be in the playoffs. Why not. isn't it a fact that we lost 3 games this year because of terrible zebra calls against us? isn't it a fact we have the best D (better that the Steelers because the steelers didn't have so many 3 and outs in the first part of the season as we did). Didn't we play Philly the best NFC team neck to neck and only a very questionable penalty gave them the victory? Other than Philly and Atlanta I can't honestly think of a single team that deserves to go to the playoffs in the NFC. What GB? LOL. Yes they beat us and it took two terrible back to back ref calls to do it. Vikings? Barely beat the lions which we crushed with Brunell as QB. Tell you want though. We some how make it in the playoffs we are a team to watch and a team to be feared. You know what they say in post season. You win with D and we have one of those.

[RedHokieSkin]

I believe too, but I do not want us in the playoffs this year.....that would be ugly..

Why would that be ugly? There isn't a single team that will make the playoffs in the NFC that we cannot beat. The Eagles is the team that would give us the most trouble and I think we have proven that we can play with them.

We could be the first team with a losing season to go to the Super Bowl! That may seem far-fetched, but I don't really think it is that far-fetched. Will it happen? Nahh... but I don't see it as impossible.

[Patrick]

Call me crazy, but I don't believe a 7-9 team deserves to be in the playoffs and I, frankly, don't want to take the Backdoor.

The truth of the matter is that we shouldn't be in this position, as yesterday should've (I know, coulda shoulda woulda) been our 9th win.

Im content finishing 7-9, which makes a 2 game improvement over last year.

For this year, I too am (or will be) satisified with improvement. Yes, it's too bad our O couldn't match the D's production but HEY, that's football.
A 7-9 playoff team - That's sad, and I don't want to be known as a losing team sneaking into playoffs. At this point, I'd rather be the up and coming team to watch out for next season!!!!!

[PA Skins Girl]

Gump is right although the Giants dont have to lose since we would have the better conference record than them if we win out. We have the better conference record than ALL TEAMS fighting for that last wild card spot except possibly the Rams, since they have one more AFC game.

Here's what needs to happen next week to stay alive in Week 17:
Skins must beat Dallas!
and
either Carolina or NO must lose (preferably both)
and
either the Rams or the Seahawks must lose (preferably the Rams).

If the Skins beat Dallas and the Rams, Carolina and NO all lose next week, we CONTROL OUR OWN DESTINY going into the Minnesota game.

[TheGreek1973]

For this year, I too am (or will be) satisified with improvement. Yes, it's too bad our O couldn't match the D's production but HEY, that's football.
A 7-9 playoff team - That's sad, and I don't want to be known as a losing team sneaking into playoffs. At this point, I'd rather be the up and coming team to watch out for next season!!!!!

LOL. You guys are too much..Obviously you guys forgot what happened in the one and only lose Gibbs had in the Superball. Yes the Raiders didn't have a losing record but they were I believe the only wild card team to win the SB at that time. I don't see that every time they mention the 1983 superball champion where they say "...yea but they were only a wild card". Hey man the playoffs are for 6 teams per conference. If we are that 6th team...no matter what our record...then so be it. What IS really pathetic is that one of these two teams will not only make it but will be division winners (Seahawks, or Rams). Now that is pathetic.

[Skins4life]

I can't believe my eyes!!! Some of you guys are actually saying that you DON'T WANT to get into the playoffs????? What?? I don't care if we are 7-9 , dont care if we "sneak in" our O is getting better - we almost put the iggles away - we are getting better - how can you say you don't want your team in the playoffs????? Ever - that's like saying - I don't want to win the lottery because I found this ticket on the ground and I didn't buy it!! Money is money - Playoffs are Playoffs!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[openallnight]

Gump is right although the Giants dont have to lose since we would have the better conference record than them if we win out.
Unfortunately, we do need the gints to lose. If the gints win out they'd have a better division record than us therefore would beat us out for the last playoff spot since we're in the same division.

[PA Skins Girl]

Unfortunately, we do need the gints to lose. If the gints win out they'd have a better division record than us therefore would beat us out for the last playoff spot since we're in the same division.Not necessarily true. If you are in a wild card tie with teams both inside and outside the division (which we would be), after head to head SWEEP, the next tiebreaker is CONFERENCE record.

[Skins4life]

Not necessarily true. If you are in a wild card tie with teams both inside and outside the division (which we would be), after head to head SWEEP, the next tiebreaker is CONFERENCE record.


And I think after Conference record it goes to common opponents. The way I see it, we win out and carolina loses to tampa this week, our odds go from 15 to 1 to about 6 to 1

[Patrick]

I can't believe my eyes!!! Some of you guys are actually saying that you DON'T WANT to get into the playoffs????? What?? I don't care if we are 7-9 , dont care if we "sneak in" our O is getting better - we almost put the iggles away - we are getting better - how can you say you don't want your team in the playoffs????? Ever - that's like saying - I don't want to win the lottery because I found this ticket on the ground and I didn't buy it!! Money is money - Playoffs are Playoffs!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Point well taken - and you're absolutely right, the Playoffs are Playoffs. My main point is that if we end up 7-9, I'll be happy that we made improvement over last year (in more ways than just the record). I see this team building into a powerhouse (IF we can overcome some cap issues) and think that next year will be OUR year. .....AND don't think I'm giving up - by no means no - I just DON'T like being considered a team that backed into the playoffs - but hey, that's just me!

[PA Skins Girl]

Unfortunately, we do need the gints to lose. If the gints win out they'd have a better division record than us therefore would beat us out for the last playoff spot since we're in the same division.Upon further review, I think your right.

[Vonslydog]

Not necessarily true. If you are in a wild card tie with teams both inside and outside the division (which we would be), after head to head SWEEP, the next tiebreaker is CONFERENCE record.
I could be wrong, but I think if wild card tie includes teams inside and outside the division, any 2+ teams in the same division are reduced by division tie breaker rules so there is only 1 team per division before they apply the other wildcard tie breakers.

[Skins4life]

Point well taken - and you're absolutely right, the Playoffs are Playoffs. My main point is that if we end up 7-9, I'll be happy that we made improvement over last year (in more ways than just the record). I see this team building into a powerhouse (IF we can overcome some cap issues) and think that next year will be OUR year. .....AND don't think I'm giving up - by no means no - I just DON'T like being considered a team that backed into the playoffs - but hey, that's just me!


I know what your saying - I am just tired of hearing every announcer take shots at our team - how great would it be to sneak in?? So we can say Mother#$##@ em all!!!!

[tbfoster1]

i wouldn't care if we got into the playoffs as a 1st runner up because the team that got the last wild card spot all came down with botchulism (sp?) or something. every team starts 0-0 in the playoffs. i really want to see the skins play some more.

[Gump84]

The best part is that if we do sneak in, and there are no other upsets, I have no doubt that we CAN, not necessarly will, but CAN beat the Packers (got screwed by the refs), then Eagles (played them close when they had TO, who knows if they will next time?), then Falcons (beat them 27-0 in the preseason and made Vick look HORRIBLE) in that order.

[chrisbcbu]

i dont see the Gints beating both cincy and dallas tho. So im not worried about them.

[chrisbcbu]

I could be wrong, but I think if wild card tie includes teams inside and outside the division, any 2+ teams in the same division are reduced by division tie breaker rules so there is only 1 team per division before they apply the other wildcard tie breakers.

This is correct.. So we would need the giants to lose as well. To either Cincy or Dallas.

The Jints are on a 7 game losing streak, so lets hope that goes to 8.

[BIGSEF3]

so who do we want to win in the dallas/giants game? the way it looks to me, whoever wins that game would beat us in a tiebreaker b/c of the division record. i'm really confused on this tiebreaker stuff. i think it will be easier after next weeks game to figure out what the heck is going on.

[Gump84]

We want the Cowboys to win because they are already 5-9 and will be losing to us next week to go 5-10, so 6-10 won't matter.

[chrisbcbu]

so who do we want to win in the dallas/giants game? the way it looks to me, whoever wins that game would beat us in a tiebreaker b/c of the division record. i'm really confused on this tiebreaker stuff. i think it will be easier after next weeks game to figure out what the heck is going on.

Well if the Giants lose to Cincy then it doesnt matter who wins the game vs Dallas.

Once we beat dallas they are eliminated from the playoffs.

[BIGSEF3]

it would bother my conscience to root for the cowboys under any circumstances. if the giants lose to the bengals, is it ok to root for the giants to beat the cowboys or would that hurt us?

[PA Skins Girl]

I could be wrong, but I think if wild card tie includes teams inside and outside the division, any 2+ teams in the same division are reduced by division tie breaker rules so there is only 1 team per division before they apply the other wildcard tie breakers.Yep, you're right. I didnt realize it until I went back are read the rules again.

NFL tiebreaker rules:
http://www.nfl.com/standings/tiebreakers

[chrisbcbu]

it would bother my conscience to root for the cowboys under any circumstances. if the giants lose to the bengals, is it ok to root for the giants to beat the cowboys or would that hurt us?

if the giants lose to cincy then as long as we win out, it doesnt matter if they win/lose against cowboys.

[Redskinmayhem]

it would bother my conscience to root for the cowboys under any circumstances. if the giants lose to the bengals, is it ok to root for the giants to beat the cowboys or would that hurt us?

If you're a skins fan, you root for whatever is best for the team.

[Ohiofan]

I could never root for Dallas under any circumstances.

[ihatedallas]

is this for real? all that has to happen is that st louis has to lose to the JETS and PHILLY. and carolina has to lose to tampa?

[hockeygoalie29]

is this for real? all that has to happen is that st louis has to lose to the JETS and PHILLY. and carolina has to lose to tampa?

Actually it's even better, the Rams only have to lose to the Jets OR Philly.

[ihatedallas]

Actually it's even better, the Rams only have to lose to the Jets OR Philly.

do the jints have to lose to cincy also?

[hockeygoalie29]

do the jints have to lose to cincy also?

The have to lose one more game, either against the Bengals or the Cowboys.

[chrisbcbu]

I think the Rams HAVE to lose to Philly. Cause if they beat philly but lose to the jets they still finish 7-9 and have a better conference record than the Redskins. Since the jets are AFC they wont play a factor if STL beats philly.

[ihatedallas]

I think the Rams HAVE to lose to Philly. Cause if they beat philly but lose to the jets they still finish 7-9 and have a better conference record than the Redskins. Since the jets are AFC they wont play a factor if STL beats philly.

that really isnt much to worry about...the rams got wupped by ARIZONA.

[Redskinmayhem]

I could never root for Dallas under any circumstances.

So you're telling me that if it came down to the Giants needing to lose to the cowpukes for us to get in, you wouldn't want the cowgirls to win??? :rolleyes:

My love for the skins is far greater than my hatred for any other team. That being said, I hate Dallas the most.

[Skins57]

that really isnt much to worry about...the rams got wupped by ARIZONA.


Yea but this is the NFL and on any given Sunday........

[JoeDaSchmoe]

Wow, I had sworn off mentioning the "P" word and the Redskins in the same sentence, but my friend asked me last night how we could get in, and as I explained it, I thought, "Ya know, that actually isn't very far-fetched...."

Biggest hurdle is Carolina losing. That's the part that I'm not sure can happen.

[BIGSEF3]

If you're a skins fan, you root for whatever is best for the team.

so would the good lord forgive me for rooting for the cowboys in that game? it just doesnt sit well with me. do you think he would understand. ;-)

[JakeIron]

After reading these 100+ posts in this thread, I have to say something.

1. My timing couldn't be better, next sunday I will be in the DC area watching to skins game live

2. Why didn't we win 1 more game prior this week. It would have made life so much easier. (we lost games like cowboys at home, cleveland etc.)

3. Couldn't be more excited about next weeks games. I REALLY REALLY hope we control our own destiny in the final game vs. vikes cause I'll get to attend the game. The noise would be something out of this world. Go Skins !!!!

[hogs86]

This is what the lines are for now.
Carolina @Tampa .Tampa by 2.5
Atlanta vs New Orleans. Saints by 2.5
Wash.@ Dallas .Skins by 1.5
Arizona vs Seattle. Seattle 7.5
I think this is crazy Las Vegas has the Rams over the Eagles ??
This weekend will be crazzzzzzy !!!

[IMALILTEAPOT]

This is what the lines are for now.
Carolina @Tampa .Tampa by 2.5
Atlanta vs New Orleans. Saints by 2.5
Wash.@ Dallas .Skins by 1.5
Arizona vs Seattle. Seattle 7.5
I think this is crazy Las Vegas has the Rams over the Eagles ??
This weekend will be crazzzzzzy !!!
we are favored????? WOW

[smoak]

If the Rams win we are OUT!

[IMALILTEAPOT]

If the Rams win we are OUT!
wow, lets go eagles!

[BigCountry]

The sad thing for the NFC is if we get in we have a chance to get to the title game, even more so if Seattle gets the 3rd seed which patheticaly enough could still happen. I do believe that of all the teams under 500 in the NFC, the Redskins are the most underachieving.

[colkurtz]

When we beat Dallas, then I'll start to consider any remote playoff chances we have.

[BIGSEF3]

word, but there is no way in heck the rams can beat the eagles, unless the eagles threw the game on purpose to screw us over, which, i have been told, they wont do. dont even worry about that. dallas is all we truly have to worry about now.

[IowaSkinsFan]

word, but there is no way in heck the rams can beat the eagles, unless the eagles threw the game on purpose to screw us over, which, i have been told, they wont do. dont even worry about that. dallas is all we truly have to worry about now.

Check that BIGSEaglesFan3, the Iggles are likely to hold out many of their starters or get them out quickly, now that home field is wrapped up, especially in light of their loss of TO.

[silverspring]

When we win 2 games in a row, then I will start contemplating playoffs, but at this point we don't deserve playoffs.

[rhummer37]

If I heard correctly, and I'm not sure, I started crying mid-way through, PTI said that the Skins are in IF:

They win out
Carolina/Minnesota/New Orleans lose next week

That's not that bad if you ask me:

Carolina- @ Tampa Bay (Next Sunday)

Minnesota- vs. Green Bay (This Friday)

New Orleans- vs. Atlanta (This Sunday)


Atlanta will destroy N.O.
Green Bay will com back angry and looking to lock up the NFC North against Minnesota

Carolina @ Tampa Bay--it's possible

[rhummer37]

I don't know how many of you guys have ESPN Insider, but one of the features of this pay service allows you to plug in teams, they simulate 7 games, then average all the stats. The result gives you a final score if the two teams played eachother. I ran it against the teams that have to lose (according to PTI) and this is what I got:

Carolina 15
Tampa Bay 24

Green Bay 25
Minnesota 32

New Orleans 16
Atlanta 28

Washington 18
Dallas 16

Minnesota 17
Washington 22

Let's hope its a little off on the GB vs Minnesota Game (it likes home-field advantage).

This program has been dead-on as far as Skins games this season.

Hey, we can hope, can't we?

[IndianBaller27]

If the Rams win we are OUT!
If they win just ONE game then we're out??

[pohldaddy]

One quick difference from PTI.

If we get to 7-9 and are in a group tie-breaker with a bunch of teams, we will get the nod due to our 7-5 NFC record. So it is much more feasible than just rooting for STL, CAR, and NO (the 6-8 teams) to lose this week. If they all go 1-1, and we go 2-0........we are in!!

St. Louis just lost by 24 to the Cards and have Philly and the Jets on their schedule.......they are done.

New orleans plays Atlanta but the Falcons really don't have anything to play for......so even though it looks good to see the Aints against an 11 win team.....we'll have to see.

Carolina plays @ Tampa.....the Panthers have owned the Bucs over the last few years.

The key is that Carolina plays NO next week meaning one will win, so if Carolina and NO win this week we are eliminated because one team will finish 8-8.

Root for everyone to finish 7-9......if we're in that group we are the team in.

Beat Dallas!!!

[PA Skins Girl]

If the Rams win we are OUT!What about if Seattle loses their last two?

[Minnesota Mike]

The most important part of this is our team has to win both games.

[JoeDaSchmoe]

If I heard correctly, and I'm not sure, I started crying mid-way through, PTI said that the Skins are in IF:

They win out
Carolina/Minnesota/New Orleans lose next week

That's not that bad if you ask me:

Carolina- @ Tampa Bay (Next Sunday)

Minnesota- vs. Green Bay (This Friday)

New Orleans- vs. Atlanta (This Sunday)


Atlanta will destroy N.O.
Green Bay will com back angry and looking to lock up the NFC North against Minnesota

Carolina @ Tampa Bay--it's possible

Minnesota won't be affecting our playoff picture unless they beat us in two weeks. We don't need them to lose this week.

[IowaSkinsFan]

The most important part of this is our team has to win both games.

Exactly, and the fact that this week is Dallas week is reason enough to just take this thing 1 week at a time.

[TheGreek1973]

If the Rams win we are OUT!

Not if Seattle loses their next two. The rams would win the division. Arizona looked good this week and Seattle right now are just terrible (even the girls beat them).

[PennSkinsFan]

from the Richmond Times:

Here are the other four results Washington would need to gain control of the postseason driver's seat:

Tampa Bay (5-9) over Carolina (6-8). Both teams are still alive, and the Bucs will favored as the home team.
Atlanta (11-3) over New Orleans (6-8). The Falcons should be favored on the road, but they lack incentive having clinched the division and the No. 2 overall seed in the conference.
Philadelphia (13-1) over St. Louis (6-8). The Eagles enter this Monday-night road game as the NFC's dominant team, but they also have nothing tangible to gain, with home-field advantage throughout the playoffs already in hand.
Cincinnati (6-8) over the New York Giants (5-9). The Giants have lost seven straight, and they're on the road, so this is the most likely of the Redskins-friendly outcomes.

If all that happens, the Redskins would have the tiebreaker advantage over every team competing for the final wild card spot. Thus, a season-ending victory over Vikings would get Washington in.

[IowaSkinsFan]

Have to beat Dallas first.

[smoak]

Not if Seattle loses their next two. The rams would win the division. Arizona looked good this week and Seattle right now are just terrible (even the girls beat them).

true... i missed that one, but i'm not sure even the soft as melted butter on texas sidewalk in august can lose to az and atlant (considering atlanta clinched)...

then again the atlanta backup QB was tearing it up in preseason... can't remember his name off hand. schaub?

[chrisbcbu]

I just saw that Michael Vick is not going to play against New Orleans due to a shoulder injury. That could be bad for us.

[BIGSEF3]

I just saw that Michael Vick is not going to play against New Orleans due to a shoulder injury. That could be bad for us.

i dont think so. their backup, matt schuabb is a straight-up pimp. he's from VT or UVA, if i remember. He was a beast in the preseason and was playing alot better than vick, in my opinion. he'll have his way with NO's scrappy defense.

[ArRiNgToN_56]

I just saw that Michael Vick is not going to play against New Orleans due to a shoulder injury. That could be bad for us.

Lets not forget that the Saints are the 32nd ranked Defense in the league and the absolute worst against the run and the Falcons are the #1 rushing team in the NFL, granted Vick had alot to do with that but so did Duckett and Dunn Plus, i watched Schabb in the Pre-Season looked like Champ.

[dj_stouty]

i dont think so. their backup, matt schuabb is a straight-up pimp. he's from VT or UVA, if i remember.

Please...lets not insult the guy. He is from UVA! (Not Tech :devil2: )

[chrisbcbu]

I agree he looked pretty good in preseason, but he hasnt played very much this since then. I also agree they are bad on defense but without the threat of Schaub cannot run nearly as well as vick.

I hope it doesnt hurt us, but there is always the possibility with ANY backup in this league.

[BIGSEF3]

Please...lets not insult the guy. He is from UVA! (Not Tech :devil2: )

sorry for not knowing which one. I'm an NC boy, so i guess that would be like you saying phillip rivers came from UNC, instead of NC State. I would have to hunt you down... j/k

[hokieskin]

Please...lets not insult the guy. He is from UVA! (Not Tech :devil2: )
But he is still only subbing for a Hokie!!!

[TheGreek1973]

true... i missed that one, but i'm not sure even the soft as melted butter on texas sidewalk in august can lose to az and atlant (considering atlanta clinched)...

then again the atlanta backup QB was tearing it up in preseason... can't remember his name off hand. schaub?

Yeap thats him and let me tell you something. He is actually a better fit in the West Coast offense they are running. In turns of passing IMO he is more accurate than Vick. NO will have to play a great game to beat them and you know how inconsistent they are. One day they can beat anyone and the next a high school team has a chance.

[chad101]

I don't know how many of you guys have ESPN Insider, but one of the features of this pay service allows you to plug in teams, they simulate 7 games, then average all the stats. The result gives you a final score if the two teams played eachother. I ran it against the teams that have to lose (according to PTI) and this is what I got:

Carolina 15
Tampa Bay 24

Green Bay 25
Minnesota 32

New Orleans 16
Atlanta 28

Washington 18
Dallas 16

Minnesota 17
Washington 22

Let's hope its a little off on the GB vs Minnesota Game (it likes home-field advantage).

This program has been dead-on as far as Skins games this season.

Hey, we can hope, can't we?


What does it say for Jets- Patriots?

[Spence]

Have to beat Dallas first.Thank you for mentioning that. Considering our recent record against Dallas and Gibbs' lifetime record against Parcells, that's no small thing.

[PA Skins Girl]

What does it say for Jets- Patriots?Better yet, what does it say for Miami-Patriots??

[TheGreek1973]

Looking at the games that need to fall in our "lap" NO is a no brainer even if Vick stays on the sideline. NO has the worse Defense in the league. Thats right they are ranked 32 with giving up almost 400 yards per game. That is almost 70 yards more than SF is giving up guys. Even the backup QB of Atlanta and a solid D performace by them should get them the W.

[RedHokieSkin]

i dont think so. their backup, matt schuabb is a straight-up pimp. he's from VT or UVA, if i remember. He was a beast in the preseason and was playing alot better than vick, in my opinion.

Yeah...and Brunell was playing better than Ramsey in preseason too so we know how much we can count on that.

How dare you associate Schaub with VT! Don't soil the Hokies good name by putting that argyle sweater-wearing prissy-boy in the same sentence! Vick is the true Hokie and no matter how good preppy-boy may be, he has no shot at being the starter in Atlanta! Mu-ha-haaaa!

Seriously though, Schaub really looked good in preseason so let's hope he can keep it up this weekend.

[BIGSEF3]

i am just looking forward to vick facing our D again in the playoffs. he didnt fare to well in their last encounter. as i recall, he practically left the field shaking in fear. :-)