What if we could unload CP and LA?

[CAHILLSKINS]

This team does not need Superstars, CP is nice but you have to admit Betts looks like someone who is very comfortable in between the tackles, and GW defense does not need a player who wants to make all the big plays. Just a thought but we could free up alot of cap space and get a few 1st rounders if someone were to come knockin. Dont shoot me, just a thought. :sfight:

[Redskinfan28]

I doubt we would free up alot of space, and why trade your best players away?

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

its virtually impossible. there have been numerous threads on this very subject. if we get rid of those 2 guys, we would have all kinds of dead $$$$.

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

what?? mmmm.... WHAT???

[NCskinsfanatic]

Actually in both cases the cap hits would be staggering, much like trying to trade Brunell. When ya give a guy a big , Big bonus over a long term contract it makes the cap hit hard to swallow in a trade.

[2Cooley]

people just do not understand how big of a difference that portis makes

[CAHILLSKINS]

people just do not understand how big of a difference that portis makes
You mean like 25 carries 120 yards and 1 td difference. Thats what Ladell put up today, how much more do you think portis would have put up???

[Jimreaper007]

The skins need talented players and both guys mentioned are super talented.

Portis will be fine and Lavar will be a Redskin for a long time.

[CAHILLSKINS]

You dont take a cap hit if you were to trade someone would you? Hypothetically of course

[PennSkinsFan]

One reason we should not is because it would be totally stupid, and the second big reason is, it would be really, totally stupid. You guys have to remember, Minnesota had the 30th ranked rush defense, before you crown Betts king.

Clinton Portis and Lavar Arrington are two of the best players this team offers, period. Again, the defense may be second ranked and first in the nFC but they would even be better wth Arrington on the field, healthy, period. Just like the offensive line will be better with Jansen, the defense will be better with Arrington. Arrington forces turnovers.

[PennSkinsFan]

You dont take a cap hit if you were to trade someone would you? Hypothetically of course

You take a huge hit on bonus money

[Jimreaper007]

If we could find a bafoon of a GM and trade Brunnell for two #1 Picks that would be the Hershel Walker Trade part II.


I don't think anyone else is that stupid....

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

You mean like 25 carries 120 yards and 1 td difference. Thats what Ladell put up today, how much more do you think portis would have put up???
ladell had some tough runs, but the run game never really was consistent all game. it came alive in the 4th and ladell's average shot up after that long run of his. portis wouldve done the same or better. portis is the better back IMO....

[flave1969]

This team does not need Superstars, CP is nice but you have to admit Betts looks like someone who is very comfortable in between the tackles, and GW defense does not need a player who wants to make all the big plays. Just a thought but we could free up alot of cap space and get a few 1st rounders if someone were to come knockin. Dont shoot me, just a thought. :sfight:



Both are bona fide starters. So we have a lottery in the draft instead.

I was waiting for this, Betts has a 100 yards and suddenly he can carry the team. Well he didn't shine last year. Before you say he had no blocking, Portis has hardly had sterling support in that department. I like Betts but he is nowhere near the all-round back Portis is. As for Lavar, lets see him for a season under Williams.

If these two were trouble makers and not team players then I would say OK, lets think about it. As far as the Cap is concerned, there are far more worthy candidates who have not contributed this year.

[LATrueRedskin]

1.) Why would we trade All-Stars?
2.) It would be impossible.
3.)Stupid.
4.)Dumb.
5.)Stupid.

[NCskinsfanatic]

you end up eating a lot of money, whats remaining on the signing bonus or something like that.

[PennSkinsFan]

You mean like 25 carries 120 yards and 1 td difference. Thats what Ladell put up today, how much more do you think portis would have put up???

The way the Line played with the few hole sBetts had, considering it was the 30th ranked rush defense, I woudl say Portis woudl have been around 160

[LATrueRedskin]

Minnesota's defense is horrid. They can't stop the run to save their lives.

[CAHILLSKINS]

ladell had some tough runs, but the run game never really was consistent all game. it came alive in the 4th and ladell's average shot up after that long run of his. portis wouldve done the same or better. portis is the better back IMO....
I think i have heard this one before, yeah he had a 150 yards rushing but 65 of them came on one run.

[SkinsKY]

You mean like 25 carries 120 yards and 1 td difference. Thats what Ladell put up today, how much more do you think portis would have put up???

This was also against a bad defense. Please, anyone who wants to get rid of Coles, Arrington, Portis, Brunell, or any other high SB person. Stop thinking it. It's impossible in this reality to unload of any of them at this time.

Now, to address Ladell's performance. Let's be thankful we have a good backup. We need one as every team does. I knew someone was going to suggest this. It is an entirely foolish idea. One good game does not make you a legit starter. Right now, Clinton's in the cheaper phase of his contract, so we should be happy. We have one of the most promising backs in the league and people want to be rid of him. Unbelievable.

[2Cooley]

You mean like 25 carries 120 yards and 1 td difference. Thats what Ladell put up today, how much more do you think portis would have put up???

Well portis has done better against better D's has taken a lot more that 25 carries can block a lot better can run after the catch and he is explosive if portis would have played he would have done better. Dont be tricked by one game or what betts does as a clean up job. Portis would have put up a lot more yards how about that.

[flave1969]

Until that final drive Betts was running under 3ypc then he found the space late in the fourth. All the yards count and he did a good job. But Portis is a better runner, a better receiver and a better blocker by far. Betts utilised effectively is a good foil for Portis.

[2Cooley]

This was also against a bad defense. Please, anyone who wants to get rid of Coles, Arrington, Portis, Brunell, or any other high SB person. Stop thinking it. It's impossible in this reality to unload of any of them at this time.

Now, to address Ladell's performance. Let's be thankful we have a good backup. We need one as every team does. I knew someone was going to suggest this. It is an entirely foolish idea. One good game does not make you a legit starter. Right now, Clinton's in the cheaper phase of his contract, so we should be happy. We have one of the most promising backs in the league and people want to be rid of him. Unbelievable.


Thank you, and coming into training camp when betts gets his yearly injury we will see if you think portis is better.

[CAHILLSKINS]

Until that final drive Betts was running under 3ypc then he found the space late in the fourth. All the yards count and he did a good job. But Portis is a better runner, a better receiver and a better blocker by far. Betts utilised effectively is a good foil for Portis.
Im not arguing that fact, CP is better but is the difference worth all the money, and i dont know that it is.

[JoeDaSchmoe]

I think I'll just shake my head sadly and walk away from this thread.

[PennSkinsFan]

Until that final drive Betts was running under 3ypc then he found the space late in the fourth. All the yards count and he did a good job. But Portis is a better runner, a better receiver and a better blocker by far. Betts utilised effectively is a good foil for Portis.

Exactly, after we wore down the 30th randked dLine. This is really a crazy topic, just baffles my mind. One of betts' big problems and still is and has been since we drafted him, his blocking can not touch Portis either. Betts can be utilized in this offense. He can get carries and yards, but to suggest getting rid of 0ne fo the NFL's elite RBs is asburd.

[PennSkinsFan]

I think I'll just shake my head sadly and walk away from this thread.

Me too, I am done. I had my say.

[lakeskin]

I think I'll just shake my head sadly and walk away from this thread.

Im right behind you.

[LATrueRedskin]

This is ridiculous.

[colkurtz]

Ridiculous thread. Get rid of your best players and leave yourself with a huge dead cap future.

Portis will be outstanding, with Betts as a very good backup. Betts will get 1/3 of the carries next year, to help keep CP fresh.

Can you imagine a defense with Arrington, Bowen, Daniels amd Springs all back? I imagine they'll also be adding a draft-pick DE or so?

This will be a feared defense.

The real cap casualties will be Samuels, Wynn, Morton, Gardner, Barrows.

[redskin_rich]

Ridiculous thread. Get rid of your best players and leave yourself with a huge dead cap future.

Portis will be outstanding, with Betts as a very good backup. Betts will get 1/3 of the carries next year, to help keep CP fresh.

Can you imagine a defense with Arrington, Bowen, Daniels amd Springs all back? I imagine they'll also be adding a draft-pick DE or so?

This will be a feared defense.

The real cap casualties will be Samuels, Wynn, Morton, Gardner, Barrows.
I could not agree with this quote more.
Except maybe Samuels will redo his contract.IMO.

[Skinz4lyfe]

Im right behind you.

Can I tag alone too guys? I'm done w/these threads. Betts is a good back up but I sincerely hope that he improves on his blocking next year. He couldn't hold up a brick wall if his life depended on it.

[bosshog001]

Another silly thread that its not worth reading the responses to.

[tbfoster1]

portis had 1315 rushing yards and 235 recieving yards, he got the rushing yards with an anemic passing game for the most part, a not so good o line, he missed this game, most of the game against the cowboys and only 6 attempts against pittsburgh. getting rid of him makes since to me :rolleyes:

[RedskinsVision]

unload 2 of our best players?? why not unload 2 of our best coaches in Gibbs and Williams as well...

[LATrueRedskin]

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[skins74]

Im right behind you.

Are you a Redskins and Lakers fan too? I know it doesn't make sense to some, but I lived in both cities and picked up the sports at different times.

[skins74]

Regarding the trading of CP and LA, its close to impossible, how bout this, how about not giving those highest paid player contracts to everyone, atleast CP and LA are young and still have alot to offer unlike MB,BS,DS ect.

[lakeskin]

Are you a Redskins and Lakers fan too? I know it doesn't make sense to some, but I lived in both cities and picked up the sports at different times.

Diehard fan of both teams.

[ZackMills]

people just do not understand how big of a difference that portis makes

To be a great team, you don't need a great running back. You need a great line, great defense, and preferably a great QB...personally, I'd love to get rid of Portis, but the cap hit would be too big...unfortunately, we are stuck with him and his salary for another what, 6 years?

[ZackMills]

unload 2 of our best players?? why not unload 2 of our best coaches in Gibbs and Williams as well...

Gibbs is not a great coach anymore.

[redskin_rich]

Gibbs is not a great coach anymore.
I guess you're basing that on one year?
Tell me, who would be better? :rolleyes:

[ZackMills]

I guess you're basing that on one year?
Tell me, who would be better? :rolleyes:

[clears throat] Denny Green would have been my selection from the proverbial "get go".

[Jimreaper007]

Minnesota's defense is horrid. They can't stop the run to save their lives.


Minnesota will be a lot better because they have a very talented front four. What they need is a healthy Antonio Winfield and another good corner.

Minnesota will be a lot better when they clean house to include getting rid of The Head coach and Randy Moss.

[Jimreaper007]

[clears throat] Denny Green would have been my selection from the proverbial "get go".


I agree that Dennis Green is an excellent coach and would have done well with the skins, but I think your reports of Joe Gibbs demise are greatly exaggerated.

Gibbs will be fine if we can give him more time.

[ZackMills]

I agree that Dennis Green is an excellent coach and would have done well with the skins, but I think your reports of Joe Gibbs demise are greatly exaggerated.

Gibbs will be fine if we can give him more time.

Denny Green is a proven winner. With him, he would have easily guided us to the playoffs (hey, ill take that)...and we wouldn't have to go through these re-growing pains with Gibbs, for something that in the end won't pan out anyway.

[redskin_rich]

Denny Green is a proven winner. With him, he would have easily guided us to the playoffs (hey, ill take that)...and we wouldn't have to go through these re-growing pains with Gibbs, for something that in the end won't pan out anyway.
Gibbs is a proven winner but he not only gets in the playoffs, he wins them.

[ZackMills]

Gibbs is a proven winner but he not only gets in the playoffs, he wins them.

12 years ago...what have you done for me lately Gibbs?

[LATrueRedskin]

Minnesota will be a lot better because they have a very talented front four. What they need is a healthy Antonio Winfield and another good corner.

Minnesota will be a lot better when they clean house to include getting rid of The Head coach and Randy Moss.

Agreed. But as of now, their defense is horrid. They will be better with time and a new coaching staff. I'm not liking Mike Tice as coach.

[rskinsfan10]

12 years ago...what have you done for me lately Gibbs?

What has Green ever done for YOU? What record did his team finish with? Were you even a Skins fan when Gibbs was here initially?

Dude, your anti-Redskins-everything stance is beyond ridiculous. No one has to be a blind follower, but you offer absolutely no fact or substance with your put-downs. Where is your proof that Denny Green would have had this team in the playoffs? He couldn't get his own team in the playoffs. If I recall, you said that Spurrier would have had this team in the playoffs. Where's the proof of that? His record got worse after his first year, so what did you see that shows that without a doubt we would be in the playoffs with him here?

Now, you claim to be a fortune teller and have proclaimed that Gibbs will not be successful. Again, where's the proof?

I know you haven't been here long, so let me key you in on something. The members of this board (especially those that have been here for awhile) don't react well to things that are just said in the interest of just saying anything. We need substance. If you are going to keep saying things that seem nonsensical, expect to be met with calls of being a troll or whatever else the others will come up with. As I said, it's not a requirement to be a blind follower. However, it is a requirement to make some sense, if only every once in awhile.

[JoeDaSchmoe]

Denny Green is a proven winner. With him, he would have easily guided us to the playoffs (hey, ill take that)...and we wouldn't have to go through these re-growing pains with Gibbs, for something that in the end won't pan out anyway.

Okay, who here wants to point out that Green and Gibbs finished with the exact same record this year?

*raises hand*

[Skinz4lyfe]

12 years ago...what have you done for me lately Gibbs?

And Dennis Green possibly cost his team a chance at winning the division by pulling Josh McCown for some other stiffs at QB. And somebody please tell me how many SBs Dennis Green has won again? Playoff Games? I'll save you the trouble of looking. Zero Super Bowls and four playoff games. Let's see, he has a good winning percentage but hasn't made it to the SB. That defeats the purpose of coaching doesn't it?

[SkinsKY]

Denny Green is a proven winner. With him, he would have easily guided us to the playoffs (hey, ill take that)...and we wouldn't have to go through these re-growing pains with Gibbs, for something that in the end won't pan out anyway.

Apparently you know nothing of Joe Gibbs and his track record.

[Kanman21]

I hope this thread will put to end all the Gibbs bashing. I've read all the posts and I'm glad to see most of us, save one guy, out there understand it will take a couple years to set things right. This franchise has been in disarray since Snyder took over and we can't snap fingers and make it all go away.

And about trading Portis and LaVar, why trade you're most talented players? I'm glad Betts did well yesterday, but imagine that one play when Betts broke a long one but got ran down quickly. Be honest, did anyone really expect him to take it all the way? I know I didn't. But what I do know is if that were Portis, he would have been gone. I do agree that right now, Betts seems to be a better fit, but Gibbs will change his offense to fit his better players.




At least......I hope so.

[Patrick]

Apparently you know nothing of Joe Gibbs and his track record.

Ahhh - A few good words that decribe someone so well - THANK YOU!

[IowaSkinsFan]

You dont take a cap hit if you were to trade someone would you? Hypothetically of course

Trading a player results in the same effect as if they were released, the remaining prorated portion of the signing bonus is accelerated to the current years cap.

[IowaSkinsFan]

Denny Green is a proven winner. With him, he would have easily guided us to the playoffs (hey, ill take that)...and we wouldn't have to go through these re-growing pains with Gibbs, for something that in the end won't pan out anyway.

Proven Winner? Denny Green? He has exactly the same number of Super Bowl trophies as Zack Mills has Heismans.

You want to know what a proven winner is? Go to the PFHOF in Canton and ask to see the bust of Joe Gibbs. Then ask to see the bust of Denny Green.

There is your "proven winner" theory on display.

[dj_stouty]

Trading a player results in the same effect as if they were released, the remaining prorated portion of the signing bonus is accelerated to the current years cap.

Right...which is probably between 13 and 14 million dollars.

[CarMike]

ZachMills is a friggen troll. Nothing else he says will be taken seriously.

Go find yourself a Arizona MB to talk this crap! :banghead:

[garedskin]

I would rather keep them both,but if the contract issue that Lavar Arrington and his agents came up with becomes any more of a problem this offseason then we can live without him/agents.Hate to say it but they have a better Defence without all the superstars(Bailey,Trotter and even Lavar) we had in the past. As for Portis we need him more than Arrington.:Peace:

[guinness4health]

people talk about the great game that betts had (and it was a great game) the only problem is no one is scared of betts...a large part of the problems that portis was having was because of the fear that he instilled in other defenses....and because we had no passing game to speak of all season teams simply stacked the line of scrimmage and run blitzed us to death...and never once did we play action and hurt them for it...at least part of betts success seems from the fact that opposing defenses play him honest....

you have similar issue when talking about lavar....yes marshall did a great job filling in for him....but no one is scared of him, no one was worried about him when he came on the blitz, no one had to gameplan specifically to account for and try and stop him...that is not the case when talking about lavar...some fans may not like all of the freelancing that lavar has done in the past but they have to at least admit that we worries opposing offenses....that is why when he plays he faces constant double-teams....

Lavar when given the opportunity is devistating on situational blitzes and his one of the most disruptive linebackers in the coverage

yes marshall and betts are go solid pros...but that is not enough to justify taking a huge cap hit to get rid of them for draft picks that may or may not help us in the long run....(remember there is still a high precentage of 1st rounders that then out to be busts)