Bill Musgrave in as new QB coach

[lakeskin]

Anyone know anything about this guy? Not too impressed with his stint in JAX, but it was for only one year. Thoughts?

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

huh? what? link please......

edit: nevermind. found it.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A54546-2005Jan6.html

The Washington Redskins yesterday interviewed former Jacksonville Jaguars offensive coordinator Bill Musgrave and are likely to hire him as quarterbacks coach as soon as today, according to two NFL sources familiar with the situation.

Musgrave was fired Monday by the Jaguars after the offense finished among the league's worst. But Musgrave, 37, was offered a job by the Redskins after meeting with Joe Gibbs yesterday at Redskins Park, said one source, and appears to have accepted.

[split3clemente]

who?

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

i know nothing about this guy. gibbs must like him for some reason seeing that his offense finished in the bottom half of the league......

[LATrueRedskin]

Anybody know the track record on this guy? He seems pretty young.

[SkinsKY]

How long was he in Jacksonville? Did he work with Brunell? That may be a reason.

[BSMKF]

did he coach Burnell ?

[LATrueRedskin]

How long was he in Jacksonville? Did he work with Brunell? That may be a reason.

That's scary.

[tbfoster1]

if he helped with the grooming of leftwhich that hire may be ok

[lakeskin]

http://www.jaguars.com/Team/Bio/2398.asp

[BSMKF]

That's scary.
makes me nervous

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

Musgrave has links with Joe Bugel, Washington's assistant head coach of offense, and Breaux. Musgrave was a quarterbacks assistant for the Oakland Raiders in 1997, when Bugel was head coach of the Raiders. Breaux and Musgrave were offensive assistants with the Carolina Panthers. But Musgrave quit the team after four games in 2000 because of a dispute with then Panthers coach George Seifert. Musgrave's contract at the time prevented him from coaching in the NFL for the following two seasons.

Musgrave was a star quarterback at the University of Oregon before being chosen in the fourth round of the 1991 draft by the Dallas Cowboys. He finished his college career as the Ducks' all-time leading passer while setting 15 school records.
:dalassuk:

[split3clemente]

this is sorta fishy, I dont want brunell anywhere near the starting QB job....

[whitskins]

Did we fire our previous QB coach or something? Hopefully Patrick and this guy hit it off.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

Did we fire our previous QB coach or something? Hopefully Patrick and this guy hit it off.
according to the wp, they say burns' status with the team is uncertain which to me means that once this musgrave guy gets hired, burns will stay with the team in some capacity.

[whitskins]

according to the wp, they say burns' status with the team is uncertain which to me means that once this musgrave guy gets hired, burns will stay with the team in some capacity.

Thanks Lady :) I never liked what I saw with Jax offense but hopefully some new young blood can be of some positive influence... We'll see.

[Dexter72]

From his bio, posted by OC:

. He was released by the Broncos during the 1997 preseason and was quickly hired by the Oakland Raiders as quarterbacks coach. That year, he helped guide Jeff George to a league-leading 3,919 yards passing and an AFC-best 29 touchdown passes. In 1998, Musgrave went to training camp with the Indianapolis Colts. After being released, he joined the Philadelphia Eagles’ coaching staff as offensive coordinator for the final 10 games of the season. He joined the Carolina Panthers as quarterbacks coach in 1999, playing an instrumental role in a Pro Bowl season for Steve Beuerlein, who passed for nearly 4,500 yards and 36 touchdowns, as the Panthers had the NFL’s No. 2-ranked passing offense. Musgrave was promoted to offensive coordinator in 2000.

This guy had Jeff George and Steve Beuerlein playing at a pro bowl level...I'm impressed.

[tbfoster1]

From his bio, posted by OC:

. He was released by the Broncos during the 1997 preseason and was quickly hired by the Oakland Raiders as quarterbacks coach. That year, he helped guide Jeff George to a league-leading 3,919 yards passing and an AFC-best 29 touchdown passes. In 1998, Musgrave went to training camp with the Indianapolis Colts. After being released, he joined the Philadelphia Eagles’ coaching staff as offensive coordinator for the final 10 games of the season. He joined the Carolina Panthers as quarterbacks coach in 1999, playing an instrumental role in a Pro Bowl season for Steve Beuerlein, who passed for nearly 4,500 yards and 36 touchdowns, as the Panthers had the NFL’s No. 2-ranked passing offense. Musgrave was promoted to offensive coordinator in 2000.

This guy had Jeff George and Steve Beuerlein playing at a pro bowl level...I'm impressed.

well it definatly sounds like this guy is a great QBs coach, i guess this is step one for gibbs and the offense

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

From his bio, posted by OC:

. He was released by the Broncos during the 1997 preseason and was quickly hired by the Oakland Raiders as quarterbacks coach. That year, he helped guide Jeff George to a league-leading 3,919 yards passing and an AFC-best 29 touchdown passes. In 1998, Musgrave went to training camp with the Indianapolis Colts. After being released, he joined the Philadelphia Eagles’ coaching staff as offensive coordinator for the final 10 games of the season. He joined the Carolina Panthers as quarterbacks coach in 1999, playing an instrumental role in a Pro Bowl season for Steve Beuerlein, who passed for nearly 4,500 yards and 36 touchdowns, as the Panthers had the NFL’s No. 2-ranked passing offense. Musgrave was promoted to offensive coordinator in 2000.

This guy had Jeff George and Steve Beuerlein playing at a pro bowl level...I'm impressed.
lol.....yeah but his coaching career seem alot like jeff george's playing career. he seems to have bounced around a bunch. the good news is that lots of teams want him....the bad news is that he cant seem to stay with one team for a long time......

[War Hogg]

At least Gibbs has come to the realization that he needs some help on the offensive side......

[Vonslydog]

I've never heard of this guy, but from what has been posted so far, it looks like he has done pretty well with QBs in the past. Hopefully he will be able to bring out in Patrick Ramsey all the potential that a lot of us see in him.

[Chief Seeway]

This should be a good hire. Musgrave has a lot of experience and success grooming QB's despite his relative young age.

[dj_stouty]

He was a former UVA offensive coordinator...

...I like him already. ;)

[IowaSkinsFan]

He is a west coast guy who prefers mobile QB's. We have neither of those.

[Jimreaper007]

Gibbs is on a mission and I remember Musgrave's playing days. He seemed to have all the tools to be an excellent QB.

Maybe this is a fresh blood injection.....

[sdredskinsfan]

He is a west coast guy who prefers mobile QB's. We have neither of those.

Well, he did help two relatively immobile QBs, George and Beuerlein achieve stellar seasons.

[aREDSKIN]

Some perspective from J'ville.

Musgrave dismissed in Jaguars shake-up

Linebackers coach, assistant secondary coach also let go by Del Rio.

By BART HUBBUCH, The Times-Union

Byron Leftwich will not have a role in picking the Jaguars' next offensive coordinator after coach Jack Del Rio confirmed weeks of speculation Tuesday by firing Bill Musgrave.

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Del Rio said Leftwich, the Jaguars' second-year quarterback, would not be involved in the search for a replacement after Musgrave was dismissed following two unproductive seasons as the team's play-caller.

"I'm not looking to seek out players' advice on how I'm going to put together the staff," Del Rio said on his final radio show of the season.

Del Rio said the search process to replace Musgrave already is under way. Minnesota Vikings offensive coordinator Scott Linehan, former Baltimore Ravens offensive coordinator Matt Cavanaugh, former Illinois coach Ron Turner and University of Southern California offensive coordinator Norm Chow are considered potential candidates.

Musgrave, who did not return a telephone message Tuesday, was among three coaches fired after the Jaguars finished 9-7 -- their first winning record since 1999 -- but fell short of a playoff berth on the final day of the season.

Del Rio also dismissed second-year linebackers coach Mike Haluchak and said assistant secondary coach Steve Shafer would not be brought back after the second and final year of his contract expires this spring.

The dismissals bring to six the number of assistants Del Rio has fired in just two seasons as an NFL coach, during which he has compiled a 14-18 record. Del Rio dismissed wide receivers coach Larry Kirksey and special teams coaches Bill Bates and Paul McCord last year after a 5-11 finish.

A high-ranking team source said Tuesday that Del Rio is not expected to make any more changes to his staff.

Del Rio said he dismissed Musgrave because he wants to spark an offense that too frequently sputtered the past two seasons.

The Jaguars set a franchise record by averaging just 16.3 points this season, and they did not score more than 28 points in any game during Musgrave's tenure. Jacksonville also finished this season by scoring just one touchdown in its final two games.

The yardage numbers weren't much better than the Jaguars' scoring production. Under Musgrave, who also was the quarterbacks coach this season, the Jaguars finished 21st in total offense and 31st in red-zone efficiency. Both were drops from the previous year.

"Whoever we end up selecting as our offensive coordinator will come in and I'm sure have an impact," Del Rio said. "[He will] look to add energy and have a positive impact on what we're doing. That's why we would make a change."

Del Rio wants that improvement to begin with Leftwich, who was 8-6 as a starter but did not make the individual leap the Jaguars were expecting in his first full season in charge of the offense.

Leftwich finished 10th in the AFC with an 82.2 passer rating, and his ratio of 15 touchdowns-to-10 interceptions was not what Del Rio wanted.

Leftwich said Monday that the players, not Musgrave, should accept much of the blame for the offense's problems this season.

"We as players have to make plays," Leftwich said. "You can't lay it all on the coaches, because they're not the ones out there."

As far as replacements, the Jaguars cannot speak to Linehan until after the Vikings are eliminated from the playoffs, but Cavanaugh -- who worked with Del Rio in Baltimore -- is free after resigning on Monday and Turner (the brother of Oakland Raiders coach Norv Turner) was fired as Illinois' coach last month.

Chow, meanwhile, was in Miami with USC for Tuesday night's Orange Bowl against Oklahoma but is considered one of the country's top play-callers and has long been rumored to make the jump to the NFL.

"I'm sure that Byron will embrace whoever it is that we select and be eager to get started," Del Rio said.

Haluchak, meanwhile, was fired after the Jaguars slumped to 11th in the league in run defense after finishing second in Del Rio's debut season.

Del Rio did not feel the linebacker corps made significant improvement over the course of the season and faulted that group --not defensive tackles John Henderson and Marcus Stroud -- for allowing an opposing running back to rush for more than 100 yards in each of the final two games.

"We're looking to be better not just on offense, but in all phases," Del Rio said.

http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/010505/jag_17605802.shtml

[redwolf1218]

so he was there in jacksonville during brunell's last year there when leftwich was a rookie?

[Redskinfan28]

How long was he in Jacksonville? Did he work with Brunell? That may be a reason.

I thought that as well. Howeve, I like the hiring of a younger guy.

[chrisbcbu]

Would this guy be our Offensive Coord? Or just our QB coach?

[redwolf1218]

i thought the article said he was in j'ville 2 years, so that would be this past year (while Brunell was with the Skins) and last year, Brunell's last year there, while Leftwich was playing. maybe Brunell put in a good reference for him and maybe he can resurrect the career of our noodle armed backup.

[cmdlost29]

Del Rio said he dismissed Musgrave because he wants to spark an offense that too frequently sputtered the past two seasons.

The Jaguars set a franchise record by averaging just 16.3 points this season, and they did not score more than 28 points in any game during Musgrave's tenure. Jacksonville also finished this season by scoring just one touchdown in its final two games.

The yardage numbers weren't much better than the Jaguars' scoring production. Under Musgrave, who also was the quarterbacks coach this season, the Jaguars finished 21st in total offense and 31st in red-zone efficiency. Both were drops from the previous year.


Who does this remind you of? It sounds like the Redskins season, sputtering offense, not scoring many points, etc.

I'm very skeptical of this move. I don't understand why we would aggresively hire someone with this resume. Yes he did well with Burline and George but that was a while ago. Leftwich is a good young QB and he couldn't do anything with him, what does Gibbs see in him that leads you to believe he will be more sucessful with Ramsey? Leftwich had better recievers then we have right now and Fred Taylor and they couldn't move the ball, I'm worried this move won't provide the spark we need with our QB.

I know I know "In Gibbs We Trust" but I got to have a place to vent my worries!

[PennSkinsFan]

An interesting move that may signal a long term commitment to Patrick Ramsey. Musgrave is known by NFL coaches as a guy that is pretty good at developing young QBs and working with them and helping them gain confidence. I think it signals a philosophical shift by Gibbs.

[redskin_rich]

He is a west coast guy who prefers mobile QB's. We have neither of those.
Exactly, I'm not sure he is a good fit. I hope Gibbs is not going to bring elements of the west coast offense to his system.

[dj_stouty]

I mentioned this in a previous thread...

...he was the Offensive Coordinator at UVA who was instrumental in developing Matt Schaub. Schaub went on to win two Bowl games and got picked in the 3rd round of the NFL draft by Altanta this year to back up Vick.

Schaub was in a West Coast Offense, but he was far from mobile.

Musgrave isn't here to create/call plays. He is here to develop Patrick...and I'm 100% on board with this hire!

[Skins57]

I mentioned this in a previous thread...



Schaub was in a West Coast Offense, but he was far from mobile.

Musgrave isn't here to create/call plays. He is here to develop Patrick...and I'm 100% on board with this hire!


I agree DJ, after last year Joe must have seen he needed help with the offense and this is a start. This also shows me that he is sticking to Ramsey and I don't think it has anything to do with Brunell, other than maybe Mark giving Musgrave a reference

[redwolf1218]

i thought when Schaub got his opportunities in the preseason and during the regular season, that he looked surprisingly polished.

[BandWagon]

i know nothing about this guy. gibbs must like him for some reason seeing that his offense finished in the bottom half of the league......

maybe he thought they could relate to one another....joking....

[lakeskin]

Keep in mind all those who are concerned about this move he is being brought in to be a QB's coach. Not the offensive coordinator and he will not be calling plays. And if you look at his past hes done pretty good at just being a QB coach.

I think its good that Gibbs brought in someone younger to work with Patrick.

[Chief Seeway]

An interesting move that may signal a long term commitment to Patrick Ramsey. Musgrave is known by NFL coaches as a guy that is pretty good at developing young QBs and working with them and helping them gain confidence. I think it signals a philosophical shift by Gibbs.

It's a smart move because Ramsey will now have the undivided attention of a proven coach(Musgrave). This will free up time for Gibbs to work on other problems besides just the QB position.

[chrisbcbu]

Its official, Musgrave is now a Redskin!! Welcome to Washington!!

http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=5483

[portis2endzone]

if this is to develop ramsey then im all for it

[bgforever]

I got two right! Offense QB Coach will serve in a "consultant" capacity to Don Breaux. He will bring in what works in "high pressure situations" and "new ideas". Like this move a lot. Having been in the hip pocket of great QB's and coached them makes it easier for the QB to adjust, because Musgrave eats QB data, like Williams does defense. It's a perfect match for especially Ramsey and Hasselbeck. They are going to love what he does for them. I got a chance to see Musgrave at work against the Colts on t.v. and Leftwich looked like a surgeon.

[Redskinfan28]

He certainly has an impressive resume working with QBs:

Musgrave’s coaching career began before his playing days were over. He was released by the Broncos during the 1997 preseason and was quickly hired by the Oakland Raiders as quarterbacks coach. That year, he helped guide Jeff George to a league-leading 3,919 yards passing and an AFC-best 29 touchdown passes. In 1998, Musgrave went to training camp with the Indianapolis Colts. After being released, he joined the Philadelphia Eagles’ coaching staff as offensive coordinator for the final 10 games of the season. He joined the Carolina Panthers as quarterbacks coach in 1999, playing an instrumental role in a Pro Bowl season for Steve Beuerlein, who passed for nearly 4,500 yards and 36 touchdowns, as the Panthers had the NFL’s No. 2-ranked passing offense. Musgrave was promoted to offensive coordinator in 2000.

He spent the last two years as the offensive coordinator at the University of Virginia. Named the "Best Coordinator" in the ACC by The Sporting News in 2002, he was instrumental in the development of quarterback Matt Schaub. One of a host of players who flourished under Musgrave’s innovative schemes, Schaub almost completely rewrote the Virginia record book for passing and was named ACC Player of the Year. Overall, Virginia threw 32 touchdown passes in 2002, including a record 28 by Schaub.

[Jimreaper007]

Let's give the guy a chance....

Ramsey could use the help.

[TupaFan]

I like what I'm reading. Bill may be a good positive. He is young too. That will bring a different look. I can't wait to see what happens here!! :)

[rskinsfan10]

This shows that Gibbs isn't about lip service. He's making moves to better the offense, starting with bringing a young guy that can put in the neccesary time with the QBs.

[silverspring]

Exactly, I'm not sure he is a good fit. I hope Gibbs is not going to bring elements of the west coast offense to his system.

It seemed to me gibbs' system leaned towards a west coast offense this year. i am glad gibbs is putting some youth in his staff, but it scares me that we are getting more garbage from jax, i hope this has nothing to do with brunell.

[redskin_rich]

It seemed to me gibbs' system leaned towards a west coast offense this year. i am glad gibbs is putting some youth in his staff, but it scares me that we are getting more garbage from jax, i hope this has nothing to do with brunell.
You are right that this years offense had a west coast look to it but Musgrave definitly is not garbage and as a QB coach, his offensive theory's won't matter.
He will be more about fundamentals and timing, which we all know Rams needs help with.

[AGibbsGirl]

He's making moves to better the offense, starting with bringing a young guy that can put in the neccesary time with the QBs.

You beat me to it Kenny, this is what I was thinking, the sooner he gets to working with Ramsey the better. Patrick did not get the developing that he needed last year.

The only problem...we need to get the WR positions squared away, for our offense to be sucessful, Ramsey needs to get comfortable with his WR. They need to perform as one unit.

[sdredskinsfan]

You beat me to it Kenny, this is what I was thinking, the sooner he gets to working with Ramsey the better. Patrick did not get the developing that he needed last year.

The only problem...we need to get the WR positions squared away, for our offense to be sucessful, Ramsey needs to get comfortable with his WR. They need to perform as one unit.

I would argue that Ramsey is the key more than anything else on offense. And, I think Gibbs knows this too. We will not be a SB contender until he learns a little bit of touch, and eliminates his boneheaded plays. He doesn't have to be great, but our QB situation needs the most improvement.

[IowaSkinsFan]

I don't doubt the need for a QB coach. I am all for it. But why this guy? He is a west coast disciple who has no history of running any kind of successful offense. If it wasn't for our offense this past season, Jacksonville would have been the worst. 16.5 points per game?

This is not the first time he has been fired for poor performance. I simply do not understand what is seen in him. But, that's why I am in Iowa and not in DC.

[rskinsfan10]

I don't doubt the need for a QB coach. I am all for it. But why this guy? He is a west coast disciple who has no history of running any kind of successful offense. If it wasn't for our offense this past season, Jacksonville would have been the worst. 16.5 points per game?

This is not the first time he has been fired for poor performance. I simply do not understand what is seen in him. But, that's why I am in Iowa and not in DC.

QB coaches work on mechanics, not playcalling. He is not here to be the offensive coordinator.

[chrisbcbu]

He is here to develop our Quarterbacks and nothing else. He will have no say on the playcalling. Just strictly helping Ramsey and other QBs on their mechanics and how to perform at the NFL level.