The Official Trade Scenario Thread

[vegeta2364]

I got this idea while looking at ConradCountry 05 Mock Draft ver 4.0
What if instead of trading smoot for the jets #1 we could trade smoot for porter straight up because someone on this site said that we wouldn't be able to trade gardner to the raiders because norv is happy with his WRS even without porter .. that would be good. and then trade gardner for a 3rd to mary in SD and get a DT. pickup a center in FA then make a huge effort to sign Phillp Bucannon or ken lucas

ANOTHER possible scenario...

Trade our 1st and smoot for Phillp Bucannon and Jerry Porter. That means we don't have to worry about signing another high priced draft and get a center and DE in FA. The rest of the draft picks go toward depth and the raiders get a good backfield next year with smoot and Antrel Rolle if they draft him

LAST SCENARIO

Trade smoot to jets for 1st like Conrad said; and then trade both 1sts and a 6th for Jerry and Phillip and someone else on the raider. or trade down adn give them the 2 firsts, and the 6th and a keep the 2nd and..Problem solved we get the CB, the WR, and stuff while Raiders get 3 draft picks

Which one do you all like?

[skins74]

I got this idea while looking at ConradCountry 05 Mock Draft ver 4.0
What if instead of trading smoot for the jets #1 we could trade smoot for porter straight up because someone on this site said that we wouldn't be able to trade gardner to the raiders because norv is happy with his WRS even without porter .. that would be good. and then trade gardner for a 3rd to mary in SD and get a DT. pickup a center in FA then make a huge effort to sign Phillp Bucannon or ken lucas

ANOTHER possible scenario...

Trade our 1st and smoot for Phillp Bucannon and Jerry Porter. That means we don't have to worry about signing another high priced draft and get a center and DE in FA. The rest of the draft picks go toward depth

I have had Porter on my fantasy team the last two years, he has had 2-3 good games other than that he sucks. We shouldn't trade any of our picks unless its to get more picks.

[smoak]

isn't proter a UFA? or is he entering the last year of his deal?

i think our D will be ok without smoot. i love the guy, but i don't think we need a top tier CB as long as we sign another guy for depth... to me pierce always has been the irreplaceable part... not b/c he is dominate, but b/c he is almost an extension of GW on the field.

[whitskins]

I'm not particularly enamored with either Porter or Buchanon. If we traded Smoot for Porter I'd be cool with it but I'd never throw in our #1 to get Buchanon, we don't need him, we'll be fine with the CBs we have.

[Spence]

Porter and Smoot are both unrestricted free agents. They'd both have to be signed to contracts before they could be traded.

[Skins57]

We would have to trade for Buchanan as he is under contract I believe, and Porter is aUFA so we can not trade for him as he is not under contract. I would not want Porter anyway

[smoak]

Porter and Smoot are both unrestricted free agents. They'd both have to be signed to contracts before they could be traded.

That'll never happen in the NFL as the contracts are not gauranteed like the NBA. Then again... we basically pulled off a "match and trade" with Bryan Johnson...

So never say never but...

[ConradCountry]

We would have to sign Jerry Porter to a mega deal and that isn't what we need to do right now.

[vegeta2364]

I have had Porter on my fantasy team the last two years, he has had 2-3 good games other than that he sucks. We shouldn't trade any of our picks unless its to get more picks.


Well I haven't been eyes porter im goin by the porter bandwagons say

[vegeta2364]

Well I haven't been eyes porter im goin by the porter bandwagons say


On conrads mock draft it said smoot was a RFA

[Skinz4lyfe]

I don't understand everyone's fascination w/Porter and Buchanon. They're both inconsistent overachievers. You guys obviously haven't seen Buchanon play as much as I have. This guy does have good speed and is a pretty good punt returner but he's always out of position. He reminds me of Terrell Buckley. And this was supposed to be Porter's breakout year. With Norv Turner's offense he was supposed to dominate and he did for a couple of games. He's a SLIGHT upgrade from Gardner. Trust me, Porter is not worth the money he's gonna be demanding. I'd rather have Brandon Stokley if he hadn't resigned already.

[techskinsfan]

hes an ufa...along with porter...this deal wouldnt work...what about a deal for larry johnson...kc could use him...i think we may franchise him and deal him...why not...the money he is askin for is in the top 5 isnt it...i want to see what he is askin for compared to the other deals...i def still think cbs are a dime a dozen...walt harris could do his job next year...dont get me wrong i love smoot...probably my favorti redskin right now...and i want to see him back...just dont know if financially we can have him back...

[Ramsey2Moss]

Why would we trade our 1st and Smoot for Porter and Buchanon?
That's like the worst trade ever. We would get jipped so bad.

[ttr77]

What ever happened to building through the draft? The Skins are already heading for some cap problems in '06.

[Skinz4lyfe]

Why would we trade our 1st and Smoot for Porter and Buchanon?
That's like the worst trade ever. We would get jipped so bad.

While I agree w/your sig, I don't totally agree w/your comment about the trade. I think the worst trade we've made was sending the Jags a 3rd round pick for Brunell. They raped us!!

[Ramsey2Moss]

While I agree w/your sig, I don't totally agree w/your comment about the trade. I think the worst trade we've made was sending the Jags a 3rd round pick for Brunell. They raped us!!
lol... :banghead:

[RoyWilliams1575]

Has Dallas and Washington ever made any blockbuster trades with each other? being big rivels and all

[redwolf1218]

didnt we get Calvin Hill in a trade? back in the day?

[JoeDaSchmoe]

Jerry Porter is a flashier Rod Gardner. He shows up for about five games per season.

Buchanon, however, I like....

[IowaSkinsFan]

Jerry Porter is a flashier Rod Gardner. He shows up for about five games per season.

Buchanon, however, I like....

That's 3 more games than Rod shows up for.

[CowboyKilla]

Come on man. Let's trade this for that. Be patient. I know our seasons over but please.

[CowboyKilla]

F the Cowgirls

[silverspring]

i have been rather aggravated by smoots enormous expectations, but i have been thinking about it and i think he will stay. redskins are playing this real smart, they are just gonna sit tight on him and just match offers that come in. i really don't think anyone is going to offer him more than the offer we made which was what like a 11 mil signing bonus. i think he will get a glimpse of reality in the long run and end up taking the current offer on the table. so i don't think this scenario will work out.

[whitskins]

I don't know of any but I've heard rumblings about the Skins trading our first round pick and Sean Taylor for the rights to Vinny Testeverde...

PSYCH!

(sorry just had to do it)

[Agrawog]

if it happened it would have to have been before the salary cap. there is really no way to trade player for player big time with the cap. players would have to be cheap or at the end of their contract (e.g., Portis for bailey) otherwise the bonus acceleration kills teams.

[RedskinsVision]

the last time was in 96' where we got SWINDLED! we traded our 2nd and 3rd Round picks just to move up 7 spots up to 30th in the 1st Round to grab.... Andre Johnson! who never even played a single down for us. yuck..

[Jimreaper007]

Norv Turner.....they tricked us

[Jimreaper007]

In the games I've seen of Porter in the playoffs and this year against Denver he was big time.

If the Skins can get there hands on Porter I say make the move. If smoot walks I would definitely go after buchanon because he would be an upgrade from Smoot.

[RoyWilliams1575]

Ill tell you what Well give u vinnie + anderson+ward+keyshawn and any other parcells guy for a 7th rounder

[GibbsRules!]

Yeah all I can remember is Calvin Hill and Duane Thomas, but I don't know if they were trades...I know Brandon Noble played for Dallas but I don't know if he was traded either...

[TupaFan]

I don't know of any but I've heard rumblings about the Skins trading our first round pick and Sean Taylor for the rights to Vinny Testeverde...

PSYCH!

(sorry just had to do it)

:lol1: Good one!! I think that will move Mark back to 3rd or 4th string!!

[CarMike]

F the Cowgirls

Can we please take it easy on our guests? He asked a serious question. Lets please try to be adults and have a good conversation.

I know we've had our share of butt-head cowboy fans to drop by here. Atleast he's trying to be civil. Can we please return the favor.

Thanks guys.

Mike.

BTW, CowboyKilla, this isn't directed to you. I would like for everyone to please try.

[bigcmr]

the last time was in 96' where we got SWINDLED! we traded our 2nd and 3rd Round picks just to move up 7 spots up to 30th in the 1st Round to grab.... Andre Johnson! who never even played a single down for us. yuck..

AWWW just when I blocked that out. It gets brought back up again. Why that trade was made I dont know?

[bigcmr]

I got this idea while looking at ConradCountry 05 Mock Draft ver 4.0
What if instead of trading smoot for the jets #1 we could trade smoot for porter straight up because someone on this site said that we wouldn't be able to trade gardner to the raiders because norv is happy with his WRS even without porter .. that would be good. and then trade gardner for a 3rd to mary in SD and get a DT. pickup a center in FA then make a huge effort to sign Phillp Bucannon or ken lucas

ANOTHER possible scenario...

Trade our 1st and smoot for Phillp Bucannon and Jerry Porter. That means we don't have to worry about signing another high priced draft and get a center and DE in FA. The rest of the draft picks go toward depth and the raiders get a good backfield next year with smoot and Antrel Rolle if they draft him

LAST SCENARIO

Trade smoot to jets for 1st like Conrad said; and then trade both 1sts and a 6th for Jerry and Phillip and someone else on the raider. or trade down adn give them the 2 firsts, and the 6th and a keep the 2nd and..Problem solved we get the CB, the WR, and stuff while Raiders get 3 draft picks

Which one do you all like?

I dont meen to knock you but all of these scenarios I dont like. No way do we trade our first rounder (no. 9 overall) for Bucannon. In my opion none of the Raiders DBs are worth a first rounder. And Porter is a UFA. why give anything for him. AND NO MORE GIVEING AWAY DRAFT PICKS!!!

[bigcmr]

Why would we trade our 1st and Smoot for Porter and Buchanon?
That's like the worst trade ever. We would get jipped so bad.

I Agree 100%

[Bean_Pie]

Okay...I was thinking about how NBA trades happen......we all want Brunell outta here, but dont wanna cut or trade him due to the cap hit and nobody wants to trade for him. We have the number 9 overall pick in this years draft.......consider this: Just like in the NBA, would a team (we'll call them team X) who has lets say for arguements sake the # 17 pick in the draft be willing to trade with us their pick for our pick and Brunell, the other part of the deal is that they pay us for some or all of the cap hit we are about to take in trading Brunell to team x. Now you are wondering why would we be doing this? Yeah we lose respective talent by dropping to a lower pick, but hey, were not gonna get williams or edwards, they'll be gone, we get to save cap space which allows us to resign smoot and sign other players as well. Team X would be getting higher in the draft and a new #3 qb. If Team x has plenty of cap space I could see this happening.......what about you? should we call snyder? lol

OH!!!!!! and I have been thinking about this for days now, been asking around other sites, but nobody answers me.....I wanna know what you think.

[Bean_Pie]

Oh.........and this will be more than likely my only posts here, I love reading other peoples opinions here, and dont wanna risk harming your great minds.



Hail To The Redskins!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[dj_stouty]

Welcome Bean_Pie...

I don't think the league allows you to trade a player and have the other team "pick up the tab" on the signing bonus' cap hit. When a team signs a player in the first place, they know that the entire bonus will count towards their cap. Having other teams give them dead cap relief isn't something the league wants.

[dogfight6]

If I'm not mistaken isn't Porter hurt alot? Keep the picks trade down and try to recover the 2nd for the trade we already made for a wideout {now that was a mistake}and repare through the draft and FA the few holes we need.

[sdredskinsfan]

Please try to refrain from posting misleading threads in the future. I would have preferred a thread title more like "My idea for a trade with Smoot". Your thread title could be interpreted as a possible scenario posited by a media source.

[Jimreaper007]

Porter and Buchanon would be upgrades folks.


PORTER (6'2 220):

Porter's first two years in the league he was backing up Tim Brown and Jerry Rice. During the Raiders Superbowl season he was clearly the best WR on the team. He did tear a ligament and missed the season after the superbowl but the Redskins have never had a guy with the type of Size and Speed of this guy. Porter is a big, freaky fast reciever that if given a fresh start can change the Redskins fortunes. He would be a significant upgrade to Gardner and would become our #1 reciever because teams have to double him. On the east coast we seldom get to see Porter play, but if you can remember how Randy Moss glides past 2-deep coverage with ease....that is porter and oh by the way he can jump out of the gym like a basketball player.

Coles life would be wonderful with all the single coverage he would see and his presence takes at least two bodies out of the box for Portis. Porter is from Washington DC and like Shawn Springs would greatly benefit from coming home. Like Springs he needs a fresh start on a new team and I think Skins fans will be incredibly happy to see how Porter changes football games.

BUCHANON (5'10 190):

Buchanon is just as good at coverage as Smoot but faster and more athletic. He would remind a lot of people of Darrell Green because he has that 5th gear that allows him to stay with the Terry Holts of the league unlike Smoot. The defensive backs coach for the raiders said that Buchanon is clearly the most talented guy on their squad and gets bored because teams leave him alone. Now that is sayin something with Woodson on the other corner.

Buchanon also returns punts (alla Darrell Green). Now I love Smoot, but if we are gonna have to pay him top corner money I say let him walk and actually sign a BETTER PLAYER for that much money.

I did not address the trade scenarios because I wanted to concentrate on the players and the rumors surrounding these two guys.

[redwolf1218]

Welcome Beanpie. I think Brunell stays to help coach Ramsey and provide veteran leadership. They just brought in Jacksonville's QB coach, so between him and Brunell they can mentor Ramsey. I could see Brunell becoming a QB coach in the future. As for right now, having Gibbs, Burns, Bugel and the other experienced coaches, along with Brunell, this could be the best thing for Ramsey's career in the long run.

[TheGreek1973]

Porter and Buchanon would be upgrades folks.


PORTER (6'2 220):

Porter's first two years in the league he was backing up Tim Brown and Jerry Rice. During the Raiders Superbowl season he was clearly the best WR on the team. He did tear a ligament and missed the season after the superbowl but the Redskins have never had a guy with the type of Size and Speed of this guy. Porter is a big, freaky fast reciever that if given a fresh start can change the Redskins fortunes. He would be a significant upgrade to Gardner and would become our #1 reciever because teams have to double him. On the east coast we seldom get to see Porter play, but if you can remember how Randy Moss glides past 2-deep coverage with ease....that is porter and oh by the way he can jump out of the gym like a basketball player.

Coles life would be wonderful with all the single coverage he would see and his presence takes at least two bodies out of the box for Portis. Porter is from Washington DC and like Shawn Springs would greatly benefit from coming home. Like Springs he needs a fresh start on a new team and I think Skins fans will be incredibly happy to see how Porter changes football games.

BUCHANON (5'10 190):

Buchanon is just as good at coverage as Smoot but faster and more athletic. He would remind a lot of people of Darrell Green because he has that 5th gear that allows him to stay with the Terry Holts of the league unlike Smoot. The defensive backs coach for the raiders said that Buchanon is clearly the most talented guy on their squad and gets bored because teams leave him alone. Now that is sayin something with Woodson on the other corner.

Buchanon also returns punts (alla Darrell Green). Now I love Smoot, but if we are gonna have to pay him top corner money I say let him walk and actually sign a BETTER PLAYER for that much money.

I did not address the trade scenarios because I wanted to concentrate on the players and the rumors surrounding these two guys.
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I agree. Porter would be a huge upgrade from Gardner. He is faster, doesn't drop balls and will have to be double teamed most of the time, so it will create a problem for most Defenses because they would also have to double Coles. That would open running lanes for Portis and passing lanes for Cooley.

Buchanon would be an even "trade" with Smoot, Smoot being better at open field tackles and Buchanon being able to cover with his speed deep one on one. However giving up our #1 draft pick NO WAY. You just don't give your pick to anyone for anyone any more in the NFL especially a #1 pick at #9.

[SkinsKY]

Reagardless of the fact that you can't pick up the tab for someone else, no one would trade for Brunell.

[joethefan]

Welcome Bean....hope you stick around for a while....

[redwolf1218]

Reagardless of the fact that you can't pick up the tab for someone else, no one would trade for Brunell.
true. we get all these trade ideas on here and sometimes i'm thinking, why would anyone trade for a guy who's only being mentioned in a trade scenario because the fans are sick of him? the guys who would be good trade bait are the guys we want to stay on the team, with the exception of that thread a little while ago about trading Lavar. anyways, i agree, i cant imagine anyone wanting to trade anything for Brunell, not even a 7th round pick or a backup player, and pick up the tab on his contract.

not that i dont value your opinions and insight Beanpie

[Spence]

This thread is for all trade scenarios. We want you to post as many trade scenarios [and reactions] as you like. But any fan-generated trade scenario must go in this thread [and only this thread] so it does not clog up the main board and kick other worthy topics off the front page.

Thank you.

[dj_stouty]

How about Portis, Lavar, Coles and Brunell for Dez White?

[Jimreaper007]

Welcome Bean Pie and I like the fact that you are thinking out of the box.

While I am sure plenty of people would say that cannot happen, the truth is often stranger than fiction. I tend to agree that the NFL would not want teams to be able to do that, but it does not mean they structured the system not to accomodate something like what you proposed.

Welcome to the gray area....that is where I reside

Good post and good creative thinking!

[Spence]

I'd need a 4th round pick for that one, DJ.

[dj_stouty]

I'd need a 4th round pick for that one, DJ.

Done

[redwolf1218]

Portis and Smoot plus a 2nd round pick to the Broncos for Terrel Davis.

[redskin_rich]

As it has already been noted if we trade Brunell, the signing bonus we gave him would count fully against our cap, just like if we cut him.
If there is not a player we like at pick 9, I think we should trade down to recoup a 2nd rd and maybe another 1st next year.

[redwolf1218]

ok seriously...how bout Smoot and Gardner for Roy Williams...Williams converts to strong safety, Taylor stays at free safety.

[dj_stouty]

ok seriously...how bout Smoot and Gardner for Roy Williams...Williams converts to strong safety, Taylor stays at free safety.

No chance. Williams is the cornerstone of that defense.

[PhillyPhil]

NFL trades are so extremely unlikely. Building good talent through the draft is the best thing for any team to do.

[Goskins11]

What ever happened to building through the draft? The Skins are already heading for some cap problems in '06.

I think that we should work throught the draft. Why should we spend so much money on porter, when we could get a playmaker reciever in the draft. I'm more concerned with Pierce and Smoot. I think that we definitely need to resign pierce. Harris should be able to take the place of smoot. I wish the redskins and smoot would come to an agreement though, because i have really gotten to like smoot.

[Spence]

ok seriously...how bout Smoot and Gardner for Roy Williams...Williams converts to strong safety, Taylor stays at free safety.We can't plow that much money into the safety position. No team can. And the Cowboys wouldn't do it anyway.

[vegeta2364]

how about this:

TRADE smoot to the jets for their #1

Use their number one to draft and trade down for a 2nd and 3rd. give the second to teh raiders for bucannon.

use the 3rd draft pick to get Oline/Dline

and then with our pick get WR Braylon Edwards

IF edwards is going to go higher use the 3rd draft pick to move up

[lakeskin]

The jets are cheap!!! They wont take Smoot and his contract demands. And if we can get Buchannon for a 2nd rd pick why wouldnt the Jets go that route instead of dumping a first for a guy who is older and way more expensive.

The only trades I see the Redskins involved in are trading down for additional picks with the #9 pick and possibly dumping Gardner for maybe a 4th or 5th round pick.

[cmdlost29]

I don't like Porter, he will cost us too much as many teams will blow the buying price up to big time if Plexico stays in Pittsburgh.

I'm on the bandwagon to get in order either

1) T.J. Houshmandzadeh (Cinn)
2) David Patten (NE)

Before Porter as both are UFA's and won't cost us draft picks or players. I trust that Norv knows his team and thinks he'll be fine with out Porter and we will too. I love TJ!! And Patten is so under-utilized, would be a hell of a player here!

Trade our players (Smoot + Gardner) for draft picks only

[bgforever]

Getting Patton and Burris would be sweet, as those are the only two possibilities, if that. I have a problem seeing Pittsburgh AGAIN, part with a premium WR, like they did a few years ago, much like they did with their once awesome LB corps and OL. Hines Ward and Plaxico Burris are just too good together and Burris may do something to remain in Pittsburgh.

Joe Gibbs has made it very clear he isn't counting FA's in his plans that aren't there. If he needs a WR NOW on his roster, not IF and WHEN Pittsburgh is through and a bunch of what if's. He knows he'd be possibly setting himself up to miss out on other talent and experience. JG is a VERY astute judge of talent, his hits are far more than his misses, and he knows to get Burris, you are dancing with the devil in the dark. Better to be certain of what you can have and have your first mini-camp ready than what 'could' have been.

A lot of names sound good, but truth is very few will be there for signing, come the time JG needs a player in that position. He knows it and its best to focus on what he can do now. Too many teams will muddy the water,some just to keep you from getting that player (then renig after you back off).

[iamray]

I realize everyone views Portis as untouchable - but is he really the back for the Gibbs offense? I think Larry Johnson would be a good back in this offense. Or ever better, in my eyes, TJ Duckett. It appears that Atlanta doesn't mind taking on salary, Portis would be back with his other Gibbs coach (Alex), he would again be a great back in a system that utilizes his strengths, and we could probably get a draft pick or two as well. Again, just a thought...

[NCskinsfanatic]

I really dont see how we can trade LA, Portis or any of our high priced players due to the cap ramifications. We could be planning on unloading Smoot and trading for the Oakland CB Buchannon though and trying to get Abraham at DE in Free agency while resigning Pierce at MLB.

[LavarEatsBabies]

Clearly, the person we should be most concerned with on the Raiders is my boy, Ted Washington. I mean, the man is a monster. Smoot for Porter AND Washington, thats what I say. Thats not to say that our DT's are bad, because Griffin is a beast.

[Beast56Redskin]

Clearly, the person we should be most concerned with on the Raiders is my boy, Ted Washington. I mean, the man is a monster. Smoot for Porter AND Washington, thats what I say. Thats not to say that our DT's are bad, because Griffin is a beast.

will, you are so full of bs sometimes :lol1:

nah trade smoot&gardner to cheifs for picks.

[Jimreaper007]

Clearly, the person we should be most concerned with on the Raiders is my boy, Ted Washington. I mean, the man is a monster. Smoot for Porter AND Washington, thats what I say. Thats not to say that our DT's are bad, because Griffin is a beast.


My compliments on your avatar and name....That trade is heavily tilted in our favor and I think the raiders would give us Sapp over Washington.

[AGibbsGirl]

Clearly, the person we should be most concerned with on the Raiders is my boy, Ted Washington. I mean, the man is a monster. Smoot for Porter AND Washington, thats what I say. Thats not to say that our DT's are bad, because Griffin is a beast.

good grief, LEB where've you been all season? We've missed that Avatar!

NOTE: Bewtween the time I wrote this and posted it, the avatar changed...how'd that happen?

[Redskin006]

I say trade Smoot (and if necessary gardner) for Reggie Wayne. Wayne's a beast of a receiver. He is only a number two receiver on Indianapolis because of Harrison. To replace smoot we can draft a corner, choose between harris and wilds, or sign someone i like Nick Harper who is on the colts now. He is gonna be a free agent this season. That's one reason why the colts may want a corner.

[IndianBaller27]

No one wants to trade Brunell?

[BIGSEF3]

i know youre joking, but we cant trade brunell, arrington, portis, or anyone else with a big fat contract full of big fat signing bonuses. it would destroy us capwise.

why are people even discussing these guys as trade options?

[JoeDaSchmoe]

Alright, here's something that I don't think has been tossed around yet.....

There's been plenty of talk about Samuels in the past year and his monster upcoming contract numbers. Almost everyone agrees that if he won't restructure, we need to cut him. Well, if we're going to get rid of him anyway, why not... trade him?

The cap hit from a trade is the same as the cap hit from a cut. We could trade him to a team in need of some major line help (Miami, Tampa Bay, Houston) for a decent player at a need position, or at least a draft pick. I haven't researched much into this thought, so I'm sure people can respond with pros and cons I haven't thought of.

[ConradCountry]

Here is one that is out thier

Trade CB Fred Smoot WR Rod Gardner to Minesota for OT Bryant McKinnie, McKinnie and Tice didn't get along for a lot of the year and we end up with a younger better ruin blocking LT.

Trade OT Chris Samuels for a 1st rd pick.

I think having 6'8" 340lbs. of Branyt McKinnie beside 6'6" 345lbs. of Dockery would be just plain scary.

*Remember if we trade Samuels the cap hit on the team trading for him is like 3-4 million less then it is on the team because they don't have to pay his bonus to him just his salary.

[JoeDaSchmoe]

I don't know why the Vikes would want Rod Gardner, and they wouldn't trade McKinnie for Smoot alone.

[ConradCountry]

I don't know why the Vikes would want Rod Gardner, and they wouldn't trade McKinnie for Smoot alone.

If they want to dump Moss they are going to need more WRs.

[BIGSEF3]

Clearly, the person we should be most concerned with on the Raiders is my boy, Ted Washington. I mean, the man is a monster. Smoot for Porter AND Washington, thats what I say. Thats not to say that our DT's are bad, because Griffin is a beast.

smoot isnt worth porter OR washington, let alone the two of them. smoot played good in his contract year. other than that, he has never really been pro-bowl caliber in my opinion.

[SkinsKY]

I realize everyone views Portis as untouchable - but is he really the back for the Gibbs offense? I think Larry Johnson would be a good back in this offense. Or ever better, in my eyes, TJ Duckett. It appears that Atlanta doesn't mind taking on salary, Portis would be back with his other Gibbs coach (Alex), he would again be a great back in a system that utilizes his strengths, and we could probably get a draft pick or two as well. Again, just a thought...

Larry Johnson is the same type of back that Portis is and neither him or Duckett are in the same league as Portis. It is better for Gibbs to adjust to Portis than to screw the cap because you want an inferior player.