wynn restructured!!

[vegeta2364]

Per extremeskins per CPND You can check the NFLPA Wynn has just restured!

KingGibbs posted this...

New figures per NFLPA:

2005: Base salary lowered from $3.5 million to $665,000
2006: Base salary lowered from $4.0 million to $1.0 million
2007: Base salary lowered from $4.0 million to $2.0 million

This goes beyond the "typical" restructure, which would have him lower his 2005 base salary to the minimum and make up the difference in bonus money while leaving the subsequent years untouched. It looks like he either agreed to a pay-cut or the team got a little creative with this restructuring -- I'll be curious to find out the details.

[IMALILTEAPOT]

wow this is nice, now if only samuels and brunnell can do the same

[vegeta2364]

I posted on here earlier today either on the down one million or up 1 mill threat, or the interesteing smoot thread... I said that if guys are "core" redskins.. then they should at least consider restrucuring for the good of the team... And JANSEN AND WYNN has just resturcred for the good of the team. WAY TO GO GUYS!!!!!!!

[techskinsfan]

good news

[vegeta2364]

wow this is nice, now if only samuels and brunnell can do the same

thats what I say! would be nice if smoot would listen to that 2

[vegeta2364]

maybe this is all apart of gibbs evaluation.. Gibbs looking to see who core redskins are.. and ask if they restructure.

[ShaggySkins]

I'm glad Wynn restructed. Last year was the first year he began to play even close to the money he was recieving. Now we need to use the money to resign some of our key guys.

[PennSkinsFan]

Usually as past practice a restructure precedes a signing. Look for a possible move soon.

[dj_stouty]

Wynn knows he isn't worth 4 million this year. Heck...he only averages 2 sacks a year...

Regardless...KUDOS to Renaldo!

[LATrueRedskin]

Hats off to Wynn, truely. This guy has the class of a true veteran. I would have loved to keep him around on this team if he restructured his contract. He did just that.

[ConradCountry]

Wynn came up big for the team, that is a huge restructure and Wynn has established himself as a true team player and he just helped us in a big way.

[BandWagon]

Anyone know how to find this information on the players assn site? I just looked and I don't see any salary cap info on his player page.

[Skinzaholic]

I think this also shows confidence in Coach Gibbs.

[vegeta2364]

Usually as past practice a restructure precedes a signing. Look for a possible move soon.


who do you THINK it is? :Partyup:

[ConradCountry]

who do you THINK it is? :Partyup:

I think that it will be Pierce followed quickly by Saleva'a.

And eventhough Wynn does not get sacks he is a key to the defense because he is a self less player that stops the run and protects the LBs.

[Davey]

I wonder if Wynn is getting any sort of new signing bonus. I doubt he's getting the full eight million that he gave up in salary as a signing bonus, but he could very well be getting three million or so. Either way it's great news.

[vegeta2364]

:stout: toast to WYNN. HERE HERE lol :Peace:

[skins111111]

the setting of a trend???????? this is great

[akhhorus]

I wonder if Wynn is getting any sort of new signing bonus. I doubt he's getting the full eight million that he gave up in salary as a signing bonus, but he could very well be getting three million or so. Either way it's great news.

its either part of his bonus now or it's been defered. This is good. I would expect a new deal for Pierce announced soon.

[Skins57]

Wynn, new he would be cut if he did not and he would have trouble getting the money he got even after he restructured so he really did this to keep his job... either way I am glad he did but he was gone if he did not

[PA Skins Girl]

Way to go Wynn! I'd like to see the actual terms of the new deal. I cant believe he would take that kind of pay cut without getting the rest (or at least some) of the remaining salary owed to him in bonus. Great news, though, depending on the terms. Looks like the guys are working hard at Redskin Park. Let's keep in going.

[Taylor_36]

Wynn i love you man!!! Jansen too, hes getting his contract restructured. I expect Pierce and Salavia to be signed soon. I hope Samuels sees all this happening and follows Wynn and Jansen, true Skins!!!!

[akhhorus]

Core Redskins Wynn: defers money for the team.
Ex-Redskins Smoot: 10 million signing bonus is disrespectful.

[Ramsey2Moss]

I like Wynn, basically he won me over this year as he shut up and tried to play (except for his Eagles incident), and as I said over at ES I feel it would be better for him to start at RE and a free agent (or rookie) at LE than Daniels at LE and a new pickup at RE. Wynn and Griffin work well together and I fully believe Renaldo played with enough intensity this season to help out Griffin's monsterous year. I'm glad he's staying and took a cut for the good of the team.

I heard hes pretty good friends with AP too...so maybe he took this cut to ensure us resigning him?

[MoeRedskins]

Great news out of Ashburn, I can see that all of these guys are moving in the right direction. Wynn realized that it was restructure or play elsewhere, and he wanted to restructure. I am amazed and speechless. The organization needs more charector guys like Renaldo.

[LATrueRedskin]

Core Redskins Wynn: defers money for the team.
Ex-Redskins Smoot: 10 million signing bonus is disrespectful.

Dead on. Maybe Gibbs doesn't even want Smoot anymore. I know I don't.

[GolfFreak]

Core Redskins Wynn: defers money for the team.
Ex-Redskins Smoot: 10 million signing bonus is disrespectful.

Good summary right there. Glad to see Wynn did this, I'm assuming we just got about $3 million extra in cap space - is that right ... saw he was suppose to earn $3.5 and now about $0.5 (guess I'm not factoring in bonuses). Anyone know the savings?

[hail2skins]

Anyone know how to find this information on the players assn site? I just looked and I don't see any salary cap info on his player page.

Try http://www.nflpa.org and do a player search.

[akhhorus]

Try http://www.nflpa.org and do a player search.

Confirmed.
http://www.nflpa.org/Members/playerProfile.asp?ID=25038

[ShaggySkins]

Core Redskins Wynn: defers money for the team.
Ex-Redskins Smoot: 10 million signing bonus is disrespectful.


I have to disagree with you there. I would rate Smoot currently ahead of Baltimore's Gary Baxter as a corner. Baxter was offered the same 10 million signing bonus from the Ravens and turned it down. There is no reason to think that Smoot should accept less then a corner that IMO he rates better then. Thats just where the market is at right now for a quality corner.

[chrisbcbu]

This is really good news.. im suprised that no other news has reported this yet. Just suprised is all.

[redskin_rich]

This shoots down my hopes of getting a FA DE but I'm not complaining. Wynn helped out our team and we have one less thing to worry about. :)

[IVSkinsFan]

Good for Wynn and the Skins. Everyone else needs to follow suit.

[akhhorus]

I have to disagree with you there. I would rate Smoot currently ahead of Baltimore's Gary Baxter as a corner. Baxter was offered the same 10 million signing bonus from the Ravens and turned it down. There is no reason to think that Smoot should accept less then a corner that IMO he rates better then. Thats just where the market is at right now for a quality corner.

But did Gary Baxter go on TV and every media source he could to talk about how this it looks like it was going to be his final game with the team, DURING the season?

[BIGSEF3]

i dont know if you cant trust what that site says. look what it says for arrington:

Arrington, LaVar
View Stats at Players Inc Site
Player Info
Draft Info

LB (#)
Year: 2000

Washington Redskins
Round: 1

Fairfax, VA
Position: 2

Salary History

2000 193000.00
2001 300000.00
2002 1120000.00
2003 450000.00
2004 535000.00
2005 540000.00
2006 545000.00
2007 2000000.00
2008 3500000.00
2009 5500000.00
2010 6000000.00
2011 7000000.00

those numbers are not correct.

[whitskins]

Wynn is the man, I like him, he's a good player and had a nice year for us, not a spectacular pass rusher but solid. If Daniels can stay healthy we'll be ok at DE though I wouldn't mind getting one of the highly rated rookies.

Hopefully this paves the way for Pierce, then I can set off some fireworks in the front yard.

[flave1969]

i dont know if you cant trust what that site says. look what it says for arrington:

Arrington, LaVar
View Stats at Players Inc Site
Player Info
Draft Info

LB (#)
Year: 2000

Washington Redskins
Round: 1

Fairfax, VA
Position: 2

Salary History

2000 193000.00
2001 300000.00
2002 1120000.00
2003 450000.00
2004 535000.00
2005 540000.00
2006 545000.00
2007 2000000.00
2008 3500000.00
2009 5500000.00
2010 6000000.00
2011 7000000.00

those numbers are not correct.

Those are salary numbers not including bonuses.

[akhhorus]

i dont know if you cant trust what that site says. look what it says for arrington:

Arrington, LaVar
View Stats at Players Inc Site
Player Info
Draft Info

LB (#)
Year: 2000

Washington Redskins
Round: 1

Fairfax, VA
Position: 2

Salary History

2000 193000.00
2001 300000.00
2002 1120000.00
2003 450000.00
2004 535000.00
2005 540000.00
2006 545000.00
2007 2000000.00
2008 3500000.00
2009 5500000.00
2010 6000000.00
2011 7000000.00

those numbers are not correct.

Its just the base salary numbers. And it is the most accurate site for the salary info. And yes, those numbers are correct.

[BIGSEF3]

gotcha, from the explaination i thought it was supposed to show the entire cap hit for a player in each year.

my bad.

[hail2skins]

Its just the base salary numbers. And it is the most accurate site for the salary info. And yes, those numbers are correct.

:shaking head:

[BIGSEF3]

""Originally Posted by BandWagon
Anyone know how to find this information on the players assn site? I just looked and I don't see any salary cap info on his player page......


Try http://www.nflpa.org and do a player search.""


bandwagon asked for salary CAP info. i assumed the link provided was for salary CAP info, not BASE SALARY info.

i understand now that the link provided was not what was asked for, although a very nice link for base salary info. :-)

[hail2skins]

:still shaking head:

[BandWagon]

interesting they have two sites.... www.nflplayers.com and www.nflpa.com
huh?

[joethefan]

I think Wynn is doing what is best for the team and himself.

[akhhorus]

:still shaking head:

Im with you there.

[hail2skins]

""Originally Posted by BandWagon
Anyone know how to find this information on the players assn site? I just looked and I don't see any salary cap info on his player page......


Try http://www.nflpa.org and do a player search.""


bandwagon asked for salary CAP info. i assumed the link provided was for salary CAP info, not BASE SALARY info.

i understand now that the link provided was not what was asked for, although a very nice link for base salary info. :-)

and the site I gave him gives him part of the info. He found two sites, it's interesting that one of them is the one I suggested. USA Today used to maintain a salary database that included both salary and bonus but it only goes up to 2003. Player's salaries are a part of the salary cap info.

[BIGSEF3]

how am i stupid to think that if someone asks for a site for salary cap info, that the link provided will actually tell salary cap info?

is there a site that will actually show the whole big sha-bang?

[2Cooley]

Hopefully the rest will follow

[BIGSEF3]

and the site I gave him gives him part of the info. He found two sites, it's interesting that one of them is the one I suggested. USA Today used to maintain a salary database that included both salary and bonus but it only goes up to 2003. Player's salaries are a part of the salary cap info.

i definately wasnt criticizing you for being nice enough to post a link. i just assumed that it was the whole deal. i guess thats why they say never make assumptions.

[hail2skins]

how am i stupid to think that if someone asks for a site for salary cap info, that the link provided will actually tell salary cap info?

is there a site that will actually show the whole big sha-bang?

Who said anything about stupid but you. Stupid is as stupid does according to Forest Gump.

[portis2endzone]

Hopefully the rest will follow
i second that!

[CNYSkinFan]

Per extremeskins per CPND You can check the NFLPA Wynn has just restured!

KingGibbs posted this...

New figures per NFLPA:

2005: Base salary lowered from $3.5 million to $665,000
2006: Base salary lowered from $4.0 million to $1.0 million
2007: Base salary lowered from $4.0 million to $2.0 million

This goes beyond the "typical" restructure, which would have him lower his 2005 base salary to the minimum and make up the difference in bonus money while leaving the subsequent years untouched. It looks like he either agreed to a pay-cut or the team got a little creative with this restructuring -- I'll be curious to find out the details.

I love Renaldo WYnn. He did the right thing. i always thought he could be a casualty next year and now he is not. This is big time unselfish. Teddy Bruschi like unselfish. Wynn came up huge, him and Jansen. Are you listening Smoot and Samuels?

[Santheb]

Way to go Renaldo! He may not be much of a pass rusher, but he's good against the run, I'm really glad he did this. He always seemed like a real classy guy on the radio and postgame shows. I'm glad to have him stay in D.C.!

[swheeler]

This kind of player loyalty is the key to a great team in the salary cap era. Hopefully we'll see more of it.

[IMALILTEAPOT]

i hope renaldo realizes how many new fans he has now that he has less money

[The Skinsinator]

At Notre Dame, yes a long time ago, Wynn was a very good end who was known to be a "team" player & unselfish. This is very evident today. Frankly, I almost feel the Redskins got their "fair market value" looking at the figures of his adjusted contract. I think you can expect more team players like this to be acquired as long as Gibbs is in charge, which will do nothing but heighten our success. It sure would be nice if Smoot & Samuels took note.

[chrisbcbu]

I just want to see how they restructured the deal. If they gave him his remaining balance in a signing bonus and are going to pay it evenly.

[Redskinfan28]

If I was Brunnell, I would offer to restructure. Seriously, if he did that, he would take less heat from the fans and media and would be shown to be a team player.

Anyway, just me venting.

[The Skinsinator]

If I was Brunnell, I would offer to restructure. Seriously, if he did that, he would take less heat from the fans and media and would be shown to be a team player.

Anyway, just me venting.

Great point. If Brunnel were to take a substantial paycut, which I could actually see happening, what effect would this have on our cap? Mark is a good Christian man, who may understand that he shouldn't be making all these millions for essentially riding the bench and attempting to tutor a younger qb. I would love to see this happen to help our team. I think if Gibbs & Snyder approached Mark in the right way, this goal is quite achievable.

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

Great point. If Brunnel were to take a substantial paycut, which I could actually see happening, what effect would this have on our cap? Mark is a good Christian man, who may understand that he shouldn't be making all these millions for essentially riding the bench and attempting to tutor a younger qb. I would love to see this happen to help our team. I think if Gibbs & Snyder approached Mark in the right way, this goal is quite achievable.
I don't see this happening. Mark wants to be a good, rich, Christian.

[sniksog]

This kind of player loyalty is the key to a great team in the salary cap era. Hopefully we'll see more of it.

Indeed. I'm glad he's staying, especially since he was as good as gone.

[MONK_in_HOF]

This is all great news. Wynn is the man. Jansen is THE core redskin IMO. He embodies everything an NFL player should be. Definitely a throwback player that reminds me of the good ol days. I still feel for him that he had to sit all last year. I am sure he felt guilty for being paid so much and not playing, even though it wasn't his fault. Brunell taking a pay cut would be a dream come true.

[guinness4health]

this makes me happy, i always liked wynn he always seemed like he was a team player

[bwparker]

I am so happy!

[PA Skins Girl]

This shoots down my hopes of getting a FA DE but I'm not complaining.Not necessarily. We still need more depth at this position, even with Wynn staying. I think they'll still go after a FA DE or draft one.

[redskin_rich]

Not necessarily. We still need more depth at this position, even with Wynn staying. I think they'll still go after a FA DE or draft one.
I'm thinking they may draft a DE now but who knows, they surprise us every year with the offseason moves. With all these restructures it appears to me that they are getting ready to send Redskin One out at midnight on 3/2 to land some new blood. I'm definitly getting excited.

[Davey]

From http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A33241-2005Feb17.html

Before offensive tackle Jon Jansen restructured his contract this week to provide the Redskins salary cap relief, defensive end Renaldo Wynn took the same steps -- and the combined savings of the two puts the team about $2 million under the cap. Wynn saved the Redskins $1.9 million. . . .

I thought the Redskins were already something like $4 million under the cap, but oh well. It looks like Wynn got a $3 million bonus when he restructured.

The same article says that Ernie Zampenese will not return as offensive consultant and that Mike Barrow thinks he'll be able to play again next season and wants to stay with the Skins.

[PA Skins Girl]

From http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A33241-2005Feb17.html



I thought the Redskins were already something like $4 million under the cap, but oh well. It looks like Wynn got a $3 million bonus when he restructured.

The same article says that Ernie Zampenese will not return as offensive consultant and that Mike Barrow thinks he'll be able to play again next season and wants to stay with the Skins.Yeah, that doesnt make sense. If Wynn's deal saved $1.9 million, and Jansen's deal saved some, you would think we would be around $7 million under right now.

[akhhorus]

I don't see this happening. Mark wants to be a good, rich, Christian.

Yeah: Christian or not, a man wants to get paid.

[akhhorus]

Great point. If Brunnel were to take a substantial paycut, which I could actually see happening, what effect would this have on our cap? Mark is a good Christian man, who may understand that he shouldn't be making all these millions for essentially riding the bench and attempting to tutor a younger qb. I would love to see this happen to help our team. I think if Gibbs & Snyder approached Mark in the right way, this goal is quite achievable.

The problem is that Brunell makes nothing in base salary few a couple years and then it gets jacked up. If you restructure him, you guarantee that he will stick around to collect some of that. Its much cheaper to leave his deal alone and cut him after the season.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

aw shucks! here's to you renaldo.....:beer:

[Redskin006]

this shows that he wants be a part of the redskins organization and the he is a true core redskin. my respect for him just went up a great deal. :awesomewo

[flave1969]

Yeah, that doesnt make sense. If Wynn's deal saved $1.9 million, and Jansen's deal saved some, you would think we would be around $7 million under right now.

Walt Harris played in 15 games and received about a million in bonus so that took some of it away.

[smoak]

LOVE IT!!!

To all the people who have been so critical of Wynn...

:moon2:

[smoak]

Wynn knows he isn't worth 4 million this year. Heck...he only averages 2 sacks a year...

Regardless...KUDOS to Renaldo!

C'mon now DJ. Theres more to playing DE than just sacks. No he doesn't have the burst off the end, but he is a solid anchor in the running game. Great move all around!

[Jimreaper007]

I like the fact that the Skins have two run stuffing DE's that can also play tackle (Wynn/Daniels). We have tons of fast Linebackers that can get to the QB in obvious passing downs, but the key to us being so good last year was stuffing the run.

[IowaSkinsFan]

Wynn knows he isn't worth 4 million this year. Heck...he only averages 2 sacks a year...

Regardless...KUDOS to Renaldo!

Nevertheless, I am glad he is still here. Last season was his best in B&G. I don't think it is any coincidence that it happened under GW.

[IowaSkinsFan]

Yeah, that doesnt make sense. If Wynn's deal saved $1.9 million, and Jansen's deal saved some, you would think we would be around $7 million under right now.

I think we lost some of that cap room in incentives paid out to Walt Harris for playing in 15 games this season. That money was recouped however when Jansen was restructed, so it was awash.

[PA Skins Girl]

I think we lost some of that cap room in incentives paid out to Walt Harris for playing in 15 games this season. That money was recouped however when Jansen was restructed, so it was awash.
You're right. We should still be about $6 million under though, right?

[PA Skins Girl]

From the information that has been published, it looks like Wynn took $2.845 million of the $3.5 million salary owed to him this year and converted it to signing bonus. Looks like he also forfeited $3.0 million of his $4.0 million salary in 2006 and $2.5 million of is $4.5 million salary in 2007 (pretty cool).

So this year he counts $0.583 (original SB ($3.5 mill over 6 years)) + $0.655 (new salary) + $0.945 (new SB ($2.845 over 3 years)) = $2.183 million.

That is exactly $1.9 million less than the $4.083 million he was to count against the cap this year which agrees with the WP report.

[Vonslydog]

From the information that has been published, it looks like Wynn took $2.845 million of the $3.5 million salary owed to him this year and converted it to signing bonus. Looks like he also forfeited $3.0 million of his $4.0 million salary in 2006 and $2.5 million of is $4.5 million salary in 2007 (pretty cool).

So this year he counts $0.583 (original SB ($3.5 mill over 6 years)) + $0.655 (new salary) + $0.945 (new SB ($2.845 over 3 years)) = $2.183 million.

That is exactly $1.9 million less than the $4.083 million he was to count against the cap this year which agrees with the WP report.
Wow. Way to do the math. Your numbers look good to me.

[COUNCILMAN]

I think that it will be Pierce followed quickly by Saleva'a.

And eventhough Wynn does not get sacks he is a key to the defense because he is a self less player that stops the run and protects the LBs.


I agree that Wynn is a selfless player and now he has become one of my favorites. This guy wants to be part of something bigger than me, me, me like Fred Smoot.

Wynn has become one of the best run stuffing defnesive ends because that is his ROLE. He is a role player and he knows that Clemons or Lavar or somebody else will be coming in for him on 3rd and passing situations. Wynn is actually the perfect defensive end for the 3-4 defense. He is 290 pounds and actually rushers the passer BETTER when he is trying to get around 330 pound guards as opposed to 300 pound tackles who are quicker.

Congrats to Wynn. He is now a core Redskin!

[PA Skins Girl]

Wow. Way to do the math.I cant help it. That's the engineer in me.

[BIGSEF3]

good job doing the math, but i thought we were ALREADY 2 M under the cap BEFORE wynn restructured.

shouldnt we be 4M under now? the post article makes it sound like we were right at the salary cap limit before jansen and wynn restructured. i thought we had 2M of playing room already.

[techskinsfan]

hey i really gotta feeling that little lull we were in is over now...watch for pierce and marshall n prolly salveaa too to be resigned in the next few days...morton will be gone too...hopefully gardner gets his trade finalized in teh next few days too

[Sweepea436]

Per extremeskins per CPND You can check the NFLPA Wynn has just restured!

KingGibbs posted this...

New figures per NFLPA:

2005: Base salary lowered from $3.5 million to $665,000
2006: Base salary lowered from $4.0 million to $1.0 million
2007: Base salary lowered from $4.0 million to $2.0 million

This goes beyond the "typical" restructure, which would have him lower his 2005 base salary to the minimum and make up the difference in bonus money while leaving the subsequent years untouched. It looks like he either agreed to a pay-cut or the team got a little creative with this restructuring -- I'll be curious to find out the details.


Can someone show this too Smoot? Ask him if that 10 mil signing bonus is still disrespectful? This is what real Redskins players do.

[ConradCountry]

Is there any word on Samuels at all floating aound the DC area?

[chrisbcbu]

You're right. We should still be about $6 million under though, right?

Yea i agree with you here. Just yesterday they said we were 3 mil under the cap then with the restructure of Wynn saving 1.9 mil. We should have been at least 5 mil under. But the article says we are only under by 2 mil? How can that be unless we signed someone or someone just got some MAD incentives that we havent seen yet.

[PennSkinsFan]

Yea i agree with you here. Just yesterday they said we were 3 mil under the cap then with the restructure of Wynn saving 1.9 mil. We should have been at least 5 mil under. But the article says we are only under by 2 mil? How can that be unless we signed someone or someone just got some MAD incentives that we havent seen yet.

We paid out incentives to Walt Harris and possibly other incentive came due.

[chrisbcbu]

We paid out incentives to Walt Harris and possibly other incentive came due.

Yes according to WashPost, we were 3 mil under the cap, then we paid Harris' incentive but we had Jansen restructure to even that out. So technically we still should have been 3 mil under. Im curious of the other incentives we had to give up, that would have added to 3 mil. Because with the restructure of Wynn(savings of 1.9mil), put us 2mil under the cap.

[RedskinsVision]

Wynn is the team's representative to the NFLPA so his leadership qualities are well known and Gibbs wants younger players to learn from him.

[BIGSEF3]

would cutting samuels put us an extra 9M under the cap, or does he have bonuses we would have to pay him?

[dj_stouty]

would cutting samuels put us an extra 9M under the cap, or does he have bonuses we would have to pay him?

Not the full 9 million. After we pay out his remaining singing bonus, we would save approx. 5 Million. (The other 4 million would be a dead cap hit)