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joethefan
02-17-2005, 09:34 PM
They said that we need to upgrade our Oline to allow Portis to at least get to the line of scrimmage (showed many plays of him getting caught in the backfield) They also said that we needed a better pass catching TE and some recievers that want to catch the ball.
They mentoined how good the Defense was but said that the players have to buy into Gibbs system.
They said that Philly is so far ahead of everyone (which I disagree) that they'll win the east again. But said that if the girls get Bledsoe w/ Juius Jones, they could be team to come after Philly.
I forgot that we were we were 31st in the league in scoring. Rediculous!!! And some people actually believe that we have to go defense in the draft or in FA.
MONK_in_HOF
02-17-2005, 09:36 PM
I think cooley catches the ball pretty well
joethefan
02-17-2005, 09:39 PM
I think cooley catches the ball pretty well
I thought so too
DUCKIN_TACKLERS
02-17-2005, 09:40 PM
Sounds Like They Are Right On To Me Except That Gibbs Is Gonna Open Up Cans On Everybody In Year 2 Of His Plan..we Do Need A Upgrade To Rasby Not Cooley Not Sure Of Rasbys Numbers But If We Get A Guy In The True Tight End Spot Who Catches 60 Balls That To Me Is More Of An Upgrade Then Ridding Ourselves Of Gardner For A Reciever Who Comes In And Catches 80 Balls..just Simple Math To Me More Catches Means More Production.
ShaggySkins
02-17-2005, 09:44 PM
I have to agree with everything they said. I've been yelling that we need a TE for several years. I do think Philly is currently far and away the best team in the NFC East. They went to the SB and they have plenty of cap room to add another playmaker on either offense or defense.
Skinz4lyfe
02-17-2005, 09:45 PM
Gibbs did say that he didn't go to Cooley enough this year. I'm thinking Cooley might catch around 50 balls next year if he continues to improve. That's fairly good production. I don't think we need a pass catching TE because that has never really been the focus of Gibbs' offense. IMO, Bledsoe will not make Dallas that much better. He's erratic. However, I'm looking forward to an improved offense next year and if we're able to stay healthy on defense watch out. Arrington and Taylor w/Bowen and Washington. We're bringing the lumber on defense.
dj_stouty
02-17-2005, 09:49 PM
They said that we need to upgrade our Oline to allow Portis to at least get to the line of scrimmage (showed many plays of him getting caught in the backfield) They also said that we needed a better pass catching TE and some recievers that want to catch the ball.
They mentoined how good the Defense was but said that the players have to buy into Gibbs system.
They said that Philly is so far ahead of everyone (which I disagree) that they'll win the east again. But said that if the girls get Bledsoe w/ Juius Jones, they could be team to come after Philly.
I forgot that we were we were 31st in the league in scoring. Rediculous!!! And some people actually believe that we have to go defense in the draft or in FA.
And you said the NFL Network never talks about the Skins~! ;)
Santheb
02-17-2005, 09:49 PM
Sounds Like They Are Right On To Me Except That Gibbs Is Gonna Open Up Cans On Everybody In Year 2 Of His Plan..we Do Need A Upgrade To Rasby Not Cooley Not Sure Of Rasbys Numbers But If We Get A Guy In The True Tight End Spot Who Catches 60 Balls That To Me Is More Of An Upgrade Then Ridding Ourselves Of Gardner For A Reciever Who Comes In And Catches 80 Balls..just Simple Math To Me More Catches Means More Production.
That was so hard to read because you capitalized every first letter, lol. And we don't have Rasby anymore, he got cut.
I think their assessment is pretty good. Royal is god, but he seemed to be just a redzone target, and Cooley is an H-Back. And if they looked back at the primetime game against Philly, they'll see that they aren't so ahead of everyone else. And for some reason, Drew Bledsoe doesn't scare me, but, Julius Jones is going to be really good.
D-Ruck #8
02-17-2005, 10:04 PM
That was so hard to read because you capitalized every first letter, lol. And we don't have Rasby anymore, he got cut.
lol...
I think their assessment is pretty good. Royal is god, but he seemed to be just a redzone target, and Cooley is an H-Back. And if they looked back at the primetime game against Philly, they'll see that they aren't so ahead of everyone else. And for some reason, Drew Bledsoe doesn't scare me, but, Julius Jones is going to be really good.
Gosh we shouldve beaten them. :banghead:
CNYSkinFan
02-17-2005, 10:12 PM
I think cooley catches the ball pretty well
Cooley is an Hback and actually too small to play TE in a run oriented offense like Gibbs. Anytime we talk about upgrading TE it is not Cooley. Sure sometimes he will line up on the line but he is in essense a full back who never runs the ball. They were referring mostly to Rasby, who is an average TE. A good #2 in my opinion. Heath Miller could be a great target for Gibbs and company
danny's stogie
02-17-2005, 10:13 PM
They said that Philly is so far ahead of everyone (which I disagree) that they'll win the east again. But said that if the girls get Bledsoe w/ Juius Jones, they could be team to come after Philly.
they need a lot more help than bledsoe. He's not that much of an upgrade over Testy. and i still don't understand why three good games anoint Jones as a great back.
joethefan
02-17-2005, 10:16 PM
they need a lot more help than bledsoe. He's not that much of an upgrade over Testy. and i still don't understand why three good games anoint Jones as a great back.
Me too but he did gain 700+ yards in those little bit of games....
joethefan
02-17-2005, 10:17 PM
And you said the NFL Network never talks about the Skins~! ;)
Yea, finally after three months I can get some coverage. They were going through each team in the NFC - They did the AFC yesterday.
skins111111
02-17-2005, 10:25 PM
Cooley is a great HB and at TE didn't Royal catch 4 tds in the last 5 games, if he stays healthy he could be huge with Gibbs next year, I know Cooley will.
ShaggySkins
02-17-2005, 10:27 PM
they need a lot more help than bledsoe. He's not that much of an upgrade over Testy. and i still don't understand why three good games anoint Jones as a great back.
They also have 2 first round picks. They are going to be an improved team.
suppitty
02-17-2005, 10:36 PM
Royal had 8 catches for the season for under 100 yards. 4 of the catches were td's. I think ramsey likes having him as a huge target in the red zone. With Ramsey as the qb we could see 20 catches and 6td's from Royal which is all I'll ask for when we have an h-back catching 50 balls.
The reason I think we still need to add some players to the defense is because last year everybody played as well as they possibly could. What happens when we lose Smoot, and people go back to how they normally play? Then we are left with an average defense to go along with our average offense. Lets not kid ourselves, we aren't going to fix our offense in 1 off-season. If we rank 20th in scoring and 10th or better in defense then we have a good shot at the playoffs, but if we let our defense slide and we have the 20th ranked defense and #10 offense, then we have a worse chance of making the playoffs.
MONK_in_HOF
02-17-2005, 10:40 PM
Cooley is an Hback and actually too small to play TE in a run oriented offense like Gibbs. Anytime we talk about upgrading TE it is not Cooley. Sure sometimes he will line up on the line but he is in essense a full back who never runs the ball. They were referring mostly to Rasby, who is an average TE. A good #2 in my opinion. Heath Miller could be a great target for Gibbs and company
Actually Chris Cooley is listed at 10 lbs more than Heath Miller, but he is also listed 2" shorter. And even though Cooley is an H back he is the closest thing to a pass catching TE the skins have. I do think they need a good blocking TE, which rasby was supposed to be before he was axed. TE have never caught passes in volume in the Gibbs system, but they did always make crucial receptions.
BandWagon
02-17-2005, 11:26 PM
Actually Chris Cooley is listed at 10 lbs more than Heath Miller, but he is also listed 2" shorter. And even though Cooley is an H back he is the closest thing to a pass catching TE the skins have. I do think they need a good blocking TE, which rasby was supposed to be before he was axed. TE have never caught passes in volume in the Gibbs system, but they did always make crucial receptions.
Actually, and anyone stop me if this is wrong, Rasby was brought in because he was thought to be an outstanding blocker.
MONK_in_HOF
02-17-2005, 11:30 PM
Bandwagon. That was what I was trying to say. Rasby was supposed to be our blocking TE but he obviously wasn't doing something right b/c he got good money and didn't last the season.
Vonslydog
02-18-2005, 12:46 AM
Here's another agreement. If Royal is utilized more the entire season, he is a fine TE. Cooley at H-back is superb. The TE help we need is a blocking TE. Especially if we pick up a good WR in FA or the draft who can be a bigger receiving threat than 50/50.
War Hogg
02-18-2005, 01:01 AM
Has anyone started the "Draft Heath Miller Campaign"? If not, here goes......
ConradCountry
02-18-2005, 01:19 AM
The NFL Network while not being oevrlypolite about it spoke the truth. Our offense was miserable and for that reason we let a lot of people down in terms of expectations.
-Do we need an OL upgrade? Hell Yes we need to get that unit playing up to their abilities and we have to add some more SIZE and TALENT.
-Do we need an upgrade at TE? Hell Yes again, I like Royal but we could uyse someone who is always a factor in the game, I am not saying Heath Miller but someone who will catch 50 passes.
-Do we need an upgrade at WR? More then anything we need a true #1 WR with good size and speed to punish people deep of they stack the box.
As for Dallas challenging for the division with Bledsoe forget it over my dead body are we losing to those jack asses again next year.
We need to prove people wrong next year, because this year we proved them right.
flave1969
02-18-2005, 06:46 AM
I thought so too
Cooley is really a H-Back he line up in the backfield as much as he does on the line. this could be what they mean.
Jimreaper007
02-18-2005, 07:04 AM
Actually I would prefer a proven player like Bubba Franks who is also a massive target. Heath Miller would be a nice grab as well. We do need a talent infusion starting with WR and then the O-Line.
If their are more threats on the outside then Portis and the O-Line has less people to deal with. Actually Michael Irvin proved my point when talking about the game were he was hurt but Emmit told him I need you in the game to draw double teams to keep one less person out of the box. The Skins have no WR's worthy of a double team and that is why they face 9 man fronts.
MONK_in_HOF
02-18-2005, 09:31 AM
They were definitely right in their assessment of needing to strengthen the line. Especially the middle, obviously, as so many have noted here. We have to be able to stop teams from blitzing right up the middle. Ramsey or any of our QB for that matter don't have the elusiveness to escape, and with the jailbreaks that came through the middle at times last year I am not even sure if Vick could have escaped.
schmackledackle
02-18-2005, 09:33 AM
We went through this on the Heath Miller thread, but I'll say it again. We definitely need an upgrade at TE. Robert Royal as a starter is not what we want to see.
Cooley is great and only gonna get better, but he is an h-back, not a tight end.
If we could grab a guy at TE who can get find seams in zones and get open in the short middle, it would work wonders for our offense.
Dallas blitzes Roy Williams, dump it over the top to your TE.
Play action to Clinton would bring Trotter up into the line, then dump it over the top to a TE.
We need to create match-up problems for opposing defenses. Grabbing a TE of consequence could do that for us.
I'm not sold on what the best option is (Miller, Franks, etc.), but the FO needs to address the position.
Patrick
02-18-2005, 09:44 AM
The NFL Network while not being oevrlypolite about it spoke the truth. Our offense was miserable and for that reason we let a lot of people down in terms of expectations.
-Do we need an OL upgrade? Hell Yes we need to get that unit playing up to their abilities and we have to add some more SIZE and TALENT.
-Do we need an upgrade at TE? Hell Yes again, I like Royal but we could uyse someone who is always a factor in the game, I am not saying Heath Miller but someone who will catch 50 passes.
-Do we need an upgrade at WR? More then anything we need a true #1 WR with good size and speed to punish people deep of they stack the box.
As for Dallas challenging for the division with Bledsoe forget it over my dead body are we losing to those jack asses again next year.
We need to prove people wrong next year, because this year we proved them right.
Agree with all those points and would add:
Do we need a pass rushing DE: YES
Do we need a cover CB: Maybe
So when you put it all together we need anyone of the following: WR,OL, DE,TE,CB (and probably that order of priority)
Come draft day, take the highest rated player of any of those positions remaining on the board and we can really go wrong!!!!
MoeRedskins
02-18-2005, 09:52 AM
Bubba Franks would be a great pick up this off-season. Great blocker with solid hands and the guy is huge as well. Plus, I just want a guy on the team named Bubba. I don't think his contract will do out of the skins range, plus that will give us some options going into the draft for what reciever to get. The FA aren't all that awesome. Really, Porter is the only player of consicounse, but he might be out of the Skins price range. God, so many things they can do, I just can't wait.
BIGSEF3
02-18-2005, 10:07 AM
wouldnt bubba franks be kind of expensive?
and is there any reason people want us to draft heath miller OTHER than the fact that he goes to Virginia? if he went to LSU, would anyone have even heard of him?
MoeRedskins
02-18-2005, 10:09 AM
See, i really don't know what his asking price is. IT can't be that much, the only real TE that can ask for lots of $$ is Gonzalez, Gates, and Crumpler. The rest really don't have to much leverage, IMO.
joethefan
02-18-2005, 10:10 AM
wouldnt bubba franks be kind of expensive?
and is there any reason people want us to draft heath miller OTHER than the fact that he goes to Virginia? if he went to LSU, would anyone have even heard of him?
I was kinda thinking the same thing....he might hurt the bank a little....also how old is he?
dj_stouty
02-18-2005, 10:10 AM
and is there any reason people want us to draft heath miller OTHER than the fact that he goes to Virginia? if he went to LSU, would anyone have even heard of him?
He was touted as the top TE in the nation before the season started. After the season ended, he was still considered the best TE in the nation...and a lock to be a first round pick.
Trust me...the fans in Denver know just as much about Heath Miller as we do.
COUNCILMAN
02-18-2005, 10:35 AM
Here is a fact. Most tight ends are not deep threats. Its not for the lack of being able to complete 2-5 yard passes that the Redskins were terrible offensively. Its because the Redskins lack of catching 12-15 yard passes. Tight ends are great for blocking and catching 2-5 yard passes. The Skins need a tight end who can catch, sure, I won't deny that, but that is a luxury for any team.
It is essential right now to find a receiver who can scare safeties. We need a deep threat because we don't have one. Coles has a broken toe, Jacobs has not established himself as any more than a good receiver who occasionally catches a pass, and slowfoot Gardner may be gone.
Enough of this talk that another 2 yard catch will save the Redskins if we can just get a tight end. It is rediculous.
Sweepea436
02-18-2005, 10:44 AM
[QUOTE=joethefan]They said that we need to upgrade our Oline to allow Portis to at least get to the line of scrimmage (showed many plays of him getting caught in the backfield) They also said that we needed a better pass catching TE and some recievers that want to catch the ball.
I remember saying something like this in the Porter thread!! :)
BIGSEF3
02-18-2005, 10:51 AM
He was touted as the top TE in the nation before the season started. After the season ended, he was still considered the best TE in the nation...and a lock to be a first round pick.
Trust me...the fans in Denver know just as much about Heath Miller as we do.
i actually was doing some reading on him. up until now i figured it was just like me thinking jerico cotchery of nc state was the bomb - he was a good college receiver, but we have yet to see how well he will do in the NFL, once he gets off special teams.
after reading about him, he looks really good, although i must say i am now on the draft a DE with our 1st round pick bandwagon.
i think we should upgrade our offense through FA and our defense through the draft. if heath miller fell to the high 2nd round, and we could trade up to get him, i wouuld be all about it.
guinness4health
02-18-2005, 10:54 AM
not sure i agree about the philly bit or the need for a pass catcher, but the bit on the offensive line was right on....
we were in both of the philly games cause our defense matches up well against them....but we have to improve on offense and that starts with the interior of the offensive line.... most specifically the center position
MoeRedskins
02-18-2005, 11:26 AM
Here is a fact. Most tight ends are not deep threats. Its not for the lack of being able to complete 2-5 yard passes that the Redskins were terrible offensively. Its because the Redskins lack of catching 12-15 yard passes. Tight ends are great for blocking and catching 2-5 yard passes. The Skins need a tight end who can catch, sure, I won't deny that, but that is a luxury for any team.
It is essential right now to find a receiver who can scare safeties. We need a deep threat because we don't have one. Coles has a broken toe, Jacobs has not established himself as any more than a good receiver who occasionally catches a pass, and slowfoot Gardner may be gone.
Enough of this talk that another 2 yard catch will save the Redskins if we can just get a tight end. It is rediculous.
If you can get your TE to be the 5-10 yard dump of guy, that will allow your WR to run deeper routes. This year for the Skins, everybody just went short. You get Cooley and your TE to go underneath the safeties and send your WR over top you will get some space to make plays. But, Gibbs likes to pass protect so 4 recievieng options is a bit of a strech.
champisachump
02-18-2005, 11:33 AM
I have to agree with everything they said. I've been yelling that we need a TE for several years. I do think Philly is currently far and away the best team in the NFC East. They went to the SB and they have plenty of cap room to add another playmaker on either offense or defense.
I disagree Shaggy. Royal, not Rasby (who was cut), should be our pass catching TE. I think he is better than solid. But, Gibbs needs a blocker at the TE position and royal is okay but not a punisher. Everything else I agree with.
smoak
02-18-2005, 11:38 AM
I forgot that we were we were 31st in the league in scoring. Rediculous!!! And some people actually believe that we have to go defense in the draft or in FA.
JTF!!! Amigo!
So because we have glaring needs on offense you want to fix them in the draft??? Seems risky to me. I'd always draft for 3 things:
1) Draft Your Strength - Take a guy where you already have talent in place. Look at what the Iggles did a couple years ago taking Sheppard, Brown, and Lewis, when they had Bishop, Taylor, and Vincet.
2) Depth/Competition - Not sure Dockery is your man? Why not bring in a young guy to get the competition going?
3) Special Teams - Most rookies end up playing special teams so don't ignore their ability (or lack thereof to do so)
I'd never draft a weakness and expect a rookie to fix the problem.
DUCKIN_TACKLERS
02-18-2005, 12:58 PM
Here is a fact. Most tight ends are not deep threats. Its not for the lack of being able to complete 2-5 yard passes that the Redskins were terrible offensively. Its because the Redskins lack of catching 12-15 yard passes. Tight ends are great for blocking and catching 2-5 yard passes. The Skins need a tight end who can catch, sure, I won't deny that, but that is a luxury for any team.
It is essential right now to find a receiver who can scare safeties. We need a deep threat because we don't have one. Coles has a broken toe, Jacobs has not established himself as any more than a good receiver who occasionally catches a pass, and slowfoot Gardner may be gone.
Enough of this talk that another 2 yard catch will save the Redskins if we can just get a tight end. It is rediculous.
YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME. Am i the only one who has seen the way the TE are revolutionizing the leaque. you say a 2 yard catch wont save the skins how about the 10+ red zone TD's Antonio Gates added to the Chargers think they made a difference. you want a WR to SCARE a safety. HOW ABOUT A TE who completly occupies one or beter yet a safety over top and a LB underneath.
whistleandthumb
02-18-2005, 01:41 PM
I don't think we need to do anything at TE. Cooley, even though he is an H-Back, kind of occupies the position that most TE's fit in on other teams. When Ram needs to dump off the someone on a blitz, he's going to dump off to Cooley or Portis, and Cooley, as we have all seen, can bowl some people over and make good yardage.
In the redzone, Cooley was the man this year, and he knows how to get open. Royal is also a good short yardage target, and his size allows him to get open, even in tight coverage.
I don't think we are going to have the money to go out and get an A-list TE, which is the only type of player that would truly be an upgrade over what we have. I'd rather see the money go to getting an awesome receiver that can stretch the defense, and open up the middle of the field for Portis to run, or underneath passes to Cooley.
smoak
02-18-2005, 01:44 PM
I have to agree with everything they said. I've been yelling that we need a TE for several years. I do think Philly is currently far and away the best team in the NFC East. They went to the SB and they have plenty of cap room to add another playmaker on either offense or defense.
I agree, but their cap room is deceptive to a degree b/c some of those contracts are really going to start escalalting and they have quite a few imprtant FAs.
smoak
02-18-2005, 01:44 PM
And you said the NFL Network never talks about the Skins~! ;)
LMAO!!! I actually thought this was THAT thread.
smoak
02-18-2005, 01:46 PM
I don't think we need a pass catching TE because that has never really been the focus of Gibbs' offense.
I have faith that Royal can get the job done, but we doo need a massive road paving blocker. In the Red zone/short yardage, it is nice to have two shart yardage type guys that can catch. It keeps the defense guessing.
ConradCountry
02-18-2005, 02:10 PM
Cooley is our recieving threat, while Royal needs to block and with the Samuels situation not getting any better we may have to keep the TE to block with whoever is playing LT for us.
Meatsnack
02-18-2005, 02:12 PM
Here is a fact. Most tight ends are not deep threats. Its not for the lack of being able to complete 2-5 yard passes that the Redskins were terrible offensively. Its because the Redskins lack of catching 12-15 yard passes. Tight ends are great for blocking and catching 2-5 yard passes. The Skins need a tight end who can catch, sure, I won't deny that, but that is a luxury for any team.
...
Enough of this talk that another 2 yard catch will save the Redskins if we can just get a tight end. It is rediculous.
Well, actually, after breaking down the film and the stats the big news at the league meetings has been that the 5-yard bump rule has turned the TE into a big play threat. Rather than helping WRs inordinately, who are lined up outisde and are shifty anyway, it has helped a bunch of wussy tight ends. Guys who in years past would have had to deal with LaVar beating the stuffing out of them as they went into the flat are getting a clean release and running upfield for touchdowns. Or, do you really think that Jason Witten is the second coming of Kellen Winslow Sr.? TEs are weapons now, if you have guys who can run and catch and create physical mismatches downfield.
and is there any reason people want us to draft heath miller OTHER than the fact that he goes to Virginia? if he went to LSU, would anyone have even heard of him?
Well, he was widely considered the best blocking TE and the best receiving TE in college football last season. So, yes, I suppose that people outside the Beltway have heard of him. He is the first or second TE on most public draft value boards (Kiper, PFW, GBN, etc.).
2Cooley
02-18-2005, 04:58 PM
I think cooley catches the ball pretty well
he not a TE
bgforever
02-18-2005, 08:02 PM
Gibbs did say that he didn't go to Cooley enough this year. I'm thinking Cooley might catch around 50 balls next year if he continues to improve. That's fairly good production. I don't think we need a pass catching TE because that has never really been the focus of Gibbs' offense. IMO, Bledsoe will not make Dallas that much better. He's erratic. However, I'm looking forward to an improved offense next year and if we're able to stay healthy on defense watch out. Arrington and Taylor w/Bowen and Washington. We're bringing the lumber on defense.
Joe Gibbs made a "significant" coment in that he states had he known then what he knows now, type of thing.
Oh, you can bet yer' shorts, its offense and he aint afraid to put it in your face. He's always been that way.
saviour
02-18-2005, 08:36 PM
he not a TE
Cooley is a H-Back by definition in the Gibbs offense but he would be a tight end on any other roster. Look at the routes that he runs and tell me those arent tight end routes. H-Back is the most misleading position in the NFL. It is basically a tight end lining up in the backfield or a fullback on the Oline. It is perfect for a tweener.
Shockey lined up in the backfield many times this season but everyone knows that he is a tight end and not an H-Back.
In this offense, the H-Back is the tight end and the the actual TE is a blocker. That is why Royal only had 8 catches. Duane Carswell will be a good fit for this team as he is HUGE at 290 lbs and he can catch the ball when needed. Cooley will get all the receptions and Carswell will knock a LB on his tush and stand up a DE. You think Portis wouldn't be happy to see Duane blocking in front of him? You better think again.
I personally think we need a DE more than anything as that would set our defense on fire. If Mike Williams or Braylon Edwards is not available at 9 then go with a DE in the draft. Wynn, Warner, Evans and Daniels will hold the DE spot until Erasmus James or Dan Cody or whoever is available gets ready to take over. Also, if they trade the pick, Justin Tuck may still be on the board in the 2nd round. Pollack has fallen out of favor on Mel Kipers board so I think he is too risky to draft at 9 even though he put on a good showing in college. But most tackles in the NFL try hard too and he won't last until the second round because of the effort he puts into a game.
DUCKIN_TACKLERS
02-18-2005, 08:56 PM
Im sorry but i think the point is being missed is that the NFL network thinks we need a TE and i have to agree. I dont think we should label cooley as a TE ok even so he dosent have to be our only threat from a TE like position.yes royal did well and I think gibbs took notice of this as evidence by he and cooley gaining consistant momentum as the season went on. I think a second legit TE would do wonders for this offense in both areas(run and pass)the prevailing theme from last year in my opinion was the defense stacking the box and us not being able to pass on anyone using our double covered recievers. and everyone thinks our defense will digress i have to disagree i think our d only digresses if we dont put an offense that can convert when needed. think how good they would have been if they didnt spend the whole game on the field due to an inept offense. draft de by all means but only after we pick up a WR in FA and a legit 2nd TE who can both block and catch.a project DE like tuck fits the bill for me thanx.
2Cooley
02-18-2005, 09:53 PM
Cooley is a H-Back by definition in the Gibbs offense but he would be a tight end on any other roster. Look at the routes that he runs and tell me those arent tight end routes. H-Back is the most misleading position in the NFL. It is basically a tight end lining up in the backfield or a fullback on the Oline. It is perfect for a tweener.
Shockey lined up in the backfield many times this season but everyone knows that he is a tight end and not an H-Back.
In this offense, the H-Back is the tight end and the the actual TE is a blocker. That is why Royal only had 8 catches. Duane Carswell will be a good fit for this team as he is HUGE at 290 lbs and he can catch the ball when needed. Cooley will get all the receptions and Carswell will knock a LB on his tush and stand up a DE. You think Portis wouldn't be happy to see Duane blocking in front of him? You better think again.
I personally think we need a DE more than anything as that would set our defense on fire. If Mike Williams or Braylon Edwards is not available at 9 then go with a DE in the draft. Wynn, Warner, Evans and Daniels will hold the DE spot until Erasmus James or Dan Cody or whoever is available gets ready to take over. Also, if they trade the pick, Justin Tuck may still be on the board in the 2nd round. Pollack has fallen out of favor on Mel Kipers board so I think he is too risky to draft at 9 even though he put on a good showing in college. But most tackles in the NFL try hard too and he won't last until the second round because of the effort he puts into a game.
In that case Dan Goodspeed could be our starting TE next year he is 6-6 315 and pretty young and is listed at TE.
hogs86
02-18-2005, 10:06 PM
Let me be the first say i think Cooley will make the probowl next season.I can see Chris Cooley will be Ramsey's #1 wr for TD next season.i really have a good feeling about Cooley the guy only catches TD......... :)
Jimreaper007
02-18-2005, 10:08 PM
In that case Dan Goodspeed could be our starting TE next year he is 6-6 315 and pretty young and is listed at TE.
Dude was cut from my understanding
2Cooley
02-18-2005, 10:11 PM
Dude was cut from my understanding
signed him back when the season ended he is on the roster
HERE (http://www.redskins.com/team/)
redskin_rich
02-18-2005, 11:56 PM
Let me be the first say i think Cooley will make the probowl next season.I can see Chris Cooley will be Ramsey's #1 wr for TD next season.i really have a good feeling about Cooley the guy only catches TD......... :)
I agree and when it happens I will give you props for being the first to say it.
I think the only need we have at TE is a Guard or Tackle with a # in the 80's, in other words, a big blocker for our jumbo package.
LadyNRedskinsfan
02-19-2005, 02:05 AM
im willing to bet that if the skins address the OL, WR and CB position in FA, that gibbs will draft a TE in the 1st or second round.....
joethefan
02-19-2005, 08:52 PM
im willing to bet that if the skins address the OL, WR and CB position in FA, that gibbs will draft a TE in the 1st or second round.....
You may be right Lady....but wil we really have the $ to do all of that in the offseason.
LadyNRedskinsfan
02-20-2005, 12:26 PM
You may be right Lady....but wil we really have the $ to do all of that in the offseason.
it depends on how we shop and if we can save some $$$ from samuels' contract.
chrisbcbu
02-20-2005, 12:34 PM
Dude was cut from my understanding
He was readded once the season was over.
colkurtz
02-20-2005, 01:38 PM
We had only four long passes all season. We were 31st in NFL scoring last season. HELLO! Does anyone connect these two facts? Teams stuffed us with 8 in the box all season and we had no answer.
We have an excellent HB/TE in Cooley, who will catch even more passes next year. Not sure why this is a big hole in our team.
What we did not have, and need, is a legitimate deep threat to go with Coles.
If our OL gets better in FA and Ramsey "fulfills his potential", all the other pieces of our team will come together.
LadyNRedskinsfan
02-20-2005, 01:42 PM
We had only four long passes all season. We were 31st in NFL scoring last season. HELLO! Does anyone connect these two facts? Teams stuffed us with 8 in the box all season and we had no answer.
We have an excellent HB/TE in Cooley, who will catch even more passes next year. Not sure why this is a big hole in our team.
What we did not have, and need, is a legitimate deep threat to go with Coles.
If our OL gets better in FA and Ramsey "fulfills his potential", all the other pieces of our team will come together.
WR is definitely more of a hole than TE, but i still think we need one. preferably one that is a very good blocker. a receiving TE can do nothing but help this offense.
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