Let's NOT Ditch the O's

[suppitty]

Sure we can hate the owner, but that's nothing more than we felt for the first few years of Snyder's reign here (some still hate him). But we can't just completely forget about the Orioles with the Nats coming to town. Doing that would make us all very similar to the former-redskins-turned-ravens fan up in harm city. Many of us have lived out entire lives as O's fans, and we can't just completely abandon the team. The players and coaches weren't the ones who tried to keep the Nats out, so let's make sure we don't ignore them in the coming years.

signed, Biggest ravens-fan hater you may ever know.

[rskinsfan10]

Many of the Nats fans would have never been Os fans if they hadn't been wronged by MLB all these years. You can't blame anyone for changing allegiences towards their newfound HOME team. The Os have the entire metro Baltimore area to root for them. They will be just fine.

[RedskinsDave]

I don't see why anyone would cheer for a team whose owner said "there are no real baseball fans in D.C."

[rskinsfan10]

I don't see why anyone would cheer for a team whose owner said "there are no real baseball fans in D.C."

That point cannot be stated enough.

[redskin_rich]

I stopped supporting the wOe's 5 years ago when I first heard of Angelos trying to block DC from getting a team, so I don't consider myself a turncoat now that my hometown finally has a team that I will support exclusively.
Now if we could just get the fans at Fed Ex to stop screaming OOOO during the national anthem.

[RedskinsDave]

That point cannot be stated enough.

He kills me. He's crying about potentially losing us yet we're not real fans. I guess he also calls his wife a cheatin whore and begs her to stay with him.

[rskinsfan10]

He kills me. He's crying about potentially losing us yet we're not real fans. I guess he also calls his wife a cheatin whore and begs her to stay with him.

Sounds like something he would indeed say.

This coming from the man that IMO ripped off the State of Maryland in that tobacco settlement.

[RedskinsDave]

What, you don't think jumping on at the end of the class action while letting other state's lawyers do your dirty work is worth a billion dollars?

[dj_stouty]

Angelos drew a line in the sand...and just like many DC/S.MD/N.VA residents, I'm proudly standing with the Nats.

Angelos will miss guys like me. Guys/Gals who used to go to Camden Yards 2-3 times a year and spend 100 per trip on parking, tickets, food, beer...etc.

RFK will now that get revenue...but 3 fold...

[JoeDaSchmoe]

*ditches the O's*

[Jero]

Angelos drew a line in the sand...and just like many DC/S.MD/N.VA residents, I'm proudly standing with the Nats.

Angelos will miss guys like me. Guys/Gals who used to go to Camden Yards 2-3 times a year and spend 100 per trip on parking, tickets, food, beer...etc.

RFK will now that get revenue...but 3 fold...

Yeah, what's the rock bottom price it'll cost to go see a Nats game? 20 bucks including metro ticket, food and beer? How anyone can support a team run by that ***Censored*** Angelos is beyond me. You almost have to live in the DC metro area to get the full impact of just how much of a ***Censored*** he is.

[Spence]

I ditched the Orioles many years ago. If I went to an Os game it was to root for whatever team was visiting, but it troubled me that I was putting money in Angelos' pocket just by attending. I attended very few games a year for that reason. I'll root for the Nats even more knowing that by doing so I'm supporting the home town team and helping to stick to a franchise and owner that I loathe.

[CrimsonTribe]

I'm sticking w/ the O's. Grew up an O's and Skins fan and will stay that way forever. I'd like to see the Nats do well, but not at the expense of the O's. As much as I don't like Angelos, or basically how he has handled the team, I am still an Orioles fan. Being both an Angelos fan and an O's fan is not required.

[Jimreaper007]

The O's???

What's that....a cereal?

According to Peter the Great Washingtonians are not real baseball fans. Baltimore baseball no longer exists in my mind.

[RedskinsVision]

i'm only gonna miss the Cal Ripken days of old and going to Camden Yards a couple times a year. i'll still root for some of the individual players like Tejada and Mora but can't root for the team/owner that's been adamently against baseball and the fans in DC.

[whitskins]

I will remain an O's fan, I don't care for Angelos AT ALL but the O's are my team and if the Skins got saddled with a crap owner I'd still love them. I'll support the Nats too but I grew up on the O's so I won't leave them.

[GibbsRules!]

The O's???

What's that....

How bout something you won't see in the run column on the Orioles scoreboard this year?

I was an Oriole fan long before Peter Angelos came and I'll be one long after he leaves. Unfortunately, as a fan you don't get to choose your owner.

I can hate the owner, but I won't hate the team I've supported for close to 30 years. I'll stick with the Birds of Baltimore and do so proudly...

[akhhorus]

All you need to know about the O's is that they signed Chris Gomez as a FA, only to lose him in the Rule 5 draft to the Philles and trade to get him back. That sums up the O's in a nutshell.

[Santheb]

I'm sticking w/ the O's. Grew up an O's and Skins fan and will stay that way forever. I'd like to see the Nats do well, but not at the expense of the O's. As much as I don't like Angelos, or basically how he has handled the team, I am still an Orioles fan. Being both an Angelos fan and an O's fan is not required.

I will remain an O's fan, I don't care for Angelos AT ALL but the O's are my team and if the Skins got saddled with a crap owner I'd still love them. I'll support the Nats too but I grew up on the O's so I won't leave them.

These guys share my stance on the Nats and O's. I'm a Nat's fan now, but there is still a spot in me for the O's. They were my hometown team growing up, and I grew up watching the guys like Brady, Cal Ripken, Rafael, Mike Mussina, Scott Erickson, Harold Baines, B.J. Surhoff, those fellas. I remember going out to Camden Yards a few times a year from Manassas, wasn't always worth it, but I still have fond memories of Camden Yards. Beautiful ballpark to say the least. I'm a fan of both, even though I couldn't really name many players on the current O's squad as baseball sort of lost its interest in me a while back, it doesn't matter.

[redskin_rich]

Just a little side note about the O's.
This season, Baltimore will be the first team ever to have two players in the lineup with 500 home runs; Sosa-574, Palmeiro-551.

[dj_stouty]

Just a little side note about the O's.
This season, Baltimore will be the first team ever to have two players in the lineup with 500 home runs; Sosa-574, Palmeiro-551.

Right...and both of them are rumored to have "juiced" (or "corked") along the way to get to 500.

[CarMike]

I am with the group that used to be an O's fan but it all changed when PA said that he opposed DC getting their own team. Screw him! How in the heck does the Giants/A's coexist being so close to each other. If were one of their owner, i'd demand MLB to compensate meself like they are with PA. Same would go for Astros/Rangers, White Sox/Cubs.

I'll never pull for the O's again. NEVER!

[Chief Seeway]

The Baltimore Orioles will always be my team. I couldn't care less who the owner is or what comes out of his mouth.

[BurgundyNGold]

Baseball is fun to watch and fun to play, although I haven't played in a while. Growing up in the MD suburbs, I used to like the Os when I was younger. I used to love going to Os games. However, the Os -- and baseball in general -- have worked pretty hard to lose the attention of moderate fans, like myself. And since in my neighborhood it was the Redskins and pretty much nothing else (with the Os being a distant 2nd) it hasn't been a big deal to not watch the Os, or baseball for that matter.

As for MLB, I really got turned off after this latest of multiple work stoppages (strike or lockout). In MLB, the greed on both sides is quite evident. Not that the NFL doesn't have the same, only that the NFL is far better at hiding it. Add in the fact that the friggin' Yankees can spend two or more times the $$$ on payroll of nearly any other team... it's just farce.

As for the Os, they either trade away or let leave via FA any of their players of substance -- especially their pitching. Plus, they NEVER invest in their pitching. As a fan, that's really hard to swallow. Especially when you saw Mussina playing for the Yankees and Moyers playing in Seattle. It's like Angelos isn't even TRYING to win. It's more like "Let's see how far I can push these people before they stop coming back". :banghead:

What sealed the deal for me not being an Os fan anymore was when Angelos tried to block DC from getting the Nats. What an @ss. I remember back a few years ago when Baltimore tried to get the Browns. The Redskins didn't stand in their way. We welcomed a team to Baltimore. It's bad enough that so many of our tax dollars go to Baltimore and these stadiums, but then the Os and the Baltimore folk had to try and block a team coming to DC... that was the final nail in the Os coffin for me.

I still think that Bud Selig is an egotistical moron and that the owners need a check up from the neck up for having him as their commissioner. But, with the arrival of the Nats in DC, I've decided to give MLB another chance.

Go Nats!

[CrimsonTribe]

Baseball is fun to watch and fun to play, although I haven't played in a while. Growing up in the MD suburbs, I used to like the Os when I was younger. I used to love going to Os games. However, the Os -- and baseball in general -- have worked pretty hard to lose the attention of moderate fans, like myself. And since in my neighborhood it was the Redskins and pretty much nothing else (with the Os being a distant 2nd) it hasn't been a big deal to not watch the Os, or baseball for that matter.

As for MLB, I really got turned off after this latest of multiple work stoppages (strike or lockout). In MLB, the greed on both sides is quite evident. Not that the NFL doesn't have the same, only that the NFL is far better at hiding it. Add in the fact that the friggin' Yankees can spend two or more times the $$$ on payroll of nearly any other team... it's just farce.

As for the Os, they either trade away or let leave via FA any of their players of substance -- especially their pitching. Plus, they NEVER invest in their pitching. As a fan, that's really hard to swallow. Especially when you saw Mussina playing for the Yankees and Moyers playing in Seattle. It's like Angelos isn't even TRYING to win. It's more like "Let's see how far I can push these people before they stop coming back". :banghead:

What sealed the deal for me not being an Os fan anymore was when Angelos tried to block DC from getting the Nats. What an @ss. I remember back a few years ago when Baltimore tried to get the Browns. The Redskins didn't stand in their way. We welcomed a team to Baltimore. It's bad enough that so many of our tax dollars go to Baltimore and these stadiums, but then the Os and the Baltimore folk had to try and block a team coming to DC... that was the final nail in the Os coffin for me.

I still think that Bud Selig is an egotistical moron and that the owners need a check up from the neck up for having him as their commissioner. But, with the arrival of the Nats in DC, I've decided to give MLB another chance.

Go Nats!

Not that I like Angelos, but I'd have tried to keep a team out of DC too. He's trying to protect a multi-million dollar investment. And baseball isn't like football, there are 81 games that you have to draw people to plus cable revenues to worry about (which is their single biggest source of revenue and will be ruined by the Nats arrival).

[whitskins]

Right...and both of them are rumored to have "juiced" (or "corked") along the way to get to 500.

I'd bet anything that Sammy was a juicer but I can't see Raffy doing it, of course his reputation could be deceiving but this guy seems to be all class to me. Sammy's miserable season last year says a lot to me though.

[hail2skins]

I was never an O's fan. I will support and be a fan of the Nats. I've been to probably 4 or 5 O's games total and it was to support the visiting team.

[GibbsRules!]

I'd bet anything that Sammy was a juicer but I can't see Raffy doing it, of course his reputation could be deceiving but this guy seems to be all class to me. Sammy's miserable season last year says a lot to me though.
That's how I feel about Raffy myself whit. He's been a class act his whole career. If the rumor originated with Jose (I didn't pay taxes and I'm trying to generate publicity for my book sales) Canseco, then I'll take it for what it's worth.

I'd lump Sammy in there with Bonds, Mcgwire and even Brady Anderson back in his 51 home run season in '96 I think. Sosas numbers just shot through the roof...

[LATrueRedskin]

Ever since Cal retired, I haven't really paid attention to the Orioles, and to baseball in general (especially since my favorite, Griffey Jr., has had a TERRIBLE stretch of his career the last couple years). I'm looking forward for the Nationals to recessitate my love for baseball, and it'll be fun to watch a team from the ground up.

[swheeler]

I've never been a baseball fan in general, probably because I never had a team in my hometown, but I've always liked to see the O's succeed. I still will. There's a lot more to a team than an ******* owner.

I feel the same way about the Nats. If they win a world series someday, I'll party as hard as anyone else. But I'm not about to start watching baseball just cuz they finally brought a team to DC.

[Jimreaper007]

How bout something you won't see in the run column on the Orioles scoreboard this year?

I was an Oriole fan long before Peter Angelos came and I'll be one long after he leaves. Unfortunately, as a fan you don't get to choose your owner.

I can hate the owner, but I won't hate the team I've supported for close to 30 years. I'll stick with the Birds of Baltimore and do so proudly...


Good for you....let me know how that works out.


As for the kid, screw the Orioles. Baltimore fans were never very happy about us Washingtonians buying all the good seats anyway. The stadium is small, hot and annoying. The owner is a terd and minus Tejhada their is nothing there of note worth seeing.

[PennSkinsFan]

Sure we can hate the owner, but that's nothing more than we felt for the first few years of Snyder's reign here (some still hate him). But we can't just completely forget about the Orioles with the Nats coming to town. Doing that would make us all very similar to the former-redskins-turned-ravens fan up in harm city. Many of us have lived out entire lives as O's fans, and we can't just completely abandon the team. The players and coaches weren't the ones who tried to keep the Nats out, so let's make sure we don't ignore them in the coming years.

signed, Biggest ravens-fan hater you may ever know.

Too Late. Done ditched! Go NATS!

[CrimsonTribe]

Right...and both of them are rumored to have "juiced" (or "corked") along the way to get to 500.

Don't be bitter.

[CrimsonTribe]

As a true fan you can't just up and change your team. As for the people who will switch to the Nats, you were probably never true O's fans anyways and that's OK. Good luck w/ the Nats.

Edit: This didn't sound sarcastic when I typed it originally and it wasn't meant to be. I meant that I understand if you don't feel as passionately as I do about the O's and good luck.

[BurgundyNGold]

As a true fan you can't just up and change your team. As for the people who will switch to the Nats, you were probably never true O's fans anyways and that's OK. Good luck w/ the Nats.
I didn't just switch to the Nats. The Os have worked really hard to lose me as a fan for at least 10 or 15 years. Moreso even than the Wizards and Capitals who have tried to upset its fan base seemingly every few months. I haven't been an Os "fan" for at least 7 or 8 years. The Os did that, not the Nats.

Now that DC has a team, I'm giving baseball another shot.

[hail2skins]

As a true fan you can't just up and change your team. As for the people who will switch to the Nats, you were probably never true O's fans anyways and that's OK. Good luck w/ the Nats.

So, if the O's moved to another city, you would still root for them?

[RedskinsDave]

As a true fan you can't just up and change your team. As for the people who will switch to the Nats, you were probably never true O's fans anyways and that's OK. Good luck w/ the Nats.

Easy to say from Alabama. O's fans in D.C. have been pissed on ofr years by whiney O's fans calling them the "wine and cheese crowd" and even worse by Angelos himself blocking a team and then saying D.C. doesn't have any real fans anyways. I guess if he said there were no real baseball fans in Tuscaloosa you'd be more upset. That's ok, good luck with inbreds.

[Jimreaper007]

As a true fan you can't just up and change your team. As for the people who will switch to the Nats, you were probably never true O's fans anyways and that's OK. Good luck w/ the Nats.


Thanks... and goodluck with Peter the Great!

[Keino]

I ditched the O's years ago. I made a vow when teams were awarded to Arizona and Florida that I wouldn't support the Orioles until my home, the nations capitol got one. With that said, given the amount of rhetoric and opposition that came from the Troll of 295 aka Angelos, I refuse to add one red cent to his profit margin. I will not make the trip to Camden Yards, one of the best baseball venues around, nor will I tune in to whatever radio ot TV station is broadcasting Orioles games, until the Orioles are owned by someone who actually cares about the fan from the DC area.

Screw the O's..........

[Keino]

Not that I like Angelos, but I'd have tried to keep a team out of DC too. He's trying to protect a multi-million dollar investment. And baseball isn't like football, there are 81 games that you have to draw people to plus cable revenues to worry about (which is their single biggest source of revenue and will be ruined by the Nats arrival).

A superior product always sells no matter what the competition is. The Orioles have provided Washingtonians Zero incentive to make a trip to Baltimore given the inferior product they have put out.

You also take no account into the history of the situation. The Baltimore rights belonged to DC and then Senators owner Clark Griffith. He, for the good of the game allowed a team IN THE SAME LEAGUE to relocate from Cleveland to Baltimore without being compensated in 1954. If it weren't for the original Washington franchise being so gracious, there would be no Baltimore Orioles to even speak of........

Angelos wanted to monopolize an entire region, when no precedent for such a monoply exists in MLB. SO now he will have to compete to get revenue...sounds like the American way to me....

[whitskins]

Easy to say from Alabama. O's fans in D.C. have been pissed on ofr years by whiney O's fans calling them the "wine and cheese crowd" and even worse by Angelos himself blocking a team and then saying D.C. doesn't have any real fans anyways. I guess if he said there were no real baseball fans in Tuscaloosa you'd be more upset. That's ok, good luck with inbreds.

Ouch...

[CrimsonTribe]

Easy to say from Alabama. O's fans in D.C. have been pissed on ofr years by whiney O's fans calling them the "wine and cheese crowd" and even worse by Angelos himself blocking a team and then saying D.C. doesn't have any real fans anyways. I guess if he said there were no real baseball fans in Tuscaloosa you'd be more upset. That's ok, good luck with inbreds.

A. I am from Virginia. I go to school in Alabama. I was born in DC and lived there for 8 years before moving to central Virginia.

B. I have followed the O's and the Skins for my entire life and will not change my allegiance b/c the EXPOS moved closer to my home.

C. Way to be mature by insulting where I live. I'm sure you're extensive experience with the South has helped your gross generalizations gain credibility. The only thing you proved w/ you're statements is that there's morons everywhere.

[CrimsonTribe]

So, if the O's moved to another city, you would still root for them?

I'm not really sure what that has to do w/ the question at hand, but probably. That's different than being a true fan of an established team and having another team move closer to you. I mean, the way I look at it, if you really a fan then you wouldn't switch. The people who do switch probably feel the same way I do for the Wiz and Caps of whom I am basically just a fairweather fan.

[hail2skins]

I'm not really sure what that has to do w/ the question at hand, but probably. That's different than being a true fan of an established team and having another team move closer to you. I mean, the way I look at it, if you really a fan then you wouldn't switch. The people who do switch probably feel the same way I do for the Wiz and Caps of whom I am basically just a fairweather fan.

A true fan is a true fan. Are you rooting for the O's because they're Baltimore's team or because of the players? You said true fans don't switch teams. So if the O's left and another team from another city came in and called themselves the O's, you would cheer for them.

Maybe the people who are switching rooted for the O's because they were the closest MLB team to them. Now that they have a team on the home town, they'll root for them. It all depends on what you're rooting for: the players on the team or the home town team.

[CrimsonTribe]

A true fan is a true fan. Are you rooting for the O's because they're Baltimore's team or because of the players? You said true fans don't switch teams. So if the O's left and another team from another city came in and called themselves the O's, you would cheer for them.

Maybe the people who are switching rooted for the O's because they were the closest MLB team to them. Now that they have a team on the home town, they'll root for them. It all depends on what you're rooting for: the players on the team or the home town team.

I root for the Orioles not because they are Baltimore's team (Never lived there) or because of the players. I root for them b/c they are the Orioles no matter who the players are (i.e. Albert Belle) or who the ******* owner is. I'm not going to lie, I'd have a hard time rooting if they left Baltimore and an almost impossible time if they changed their identity. I just feel that is a different scenario than we have here. I mean, would you root for the Skins if they skipped town and started calling themselves by another name?

If they rooted for the closest MLB team, then they were probably baseball fans, but not true O's fans. Now that they have a team in DC they can be true Nats fans.

Mind you, I am not in any way criticizing the people from DC who are going to be Nats fans. All I am explaining is how I feel about the O's and that if it is that easy to switch you were just a mild fan of the team.

[AGibbsGirl]

I will ~sigh~ continue to root for the O's because they are a Maryland team and I'm a Marylander...I grew up with them, learned my famous whistle by whistling at Jim Palmer afterall, and cried when Cal retired.

I really wanted to give up when Mike Mussina was allowed to get away to the Yankees, but either you're a fan or you're not...so here I'll stay!!!

PS: Mike you asked if we'd still be fans if the team moved? The team would no longer be the Orioles then (Just as the Nats are no longer the Expos) I wish they would move to another city...and put us all out of our misery!!!!

[GibbsRules!]

Good for you....let me know how that works out.
Don't worry Jimreap, I'll be the first to tell ya :)

[hail2skins]

I root for the Orioles not because they are Baltimore's team (Never lived there) or because of the players. I root for them b/c they are the Orioles no matter who the players are (i.e. Albert Belle) or who the ******* owner is. I'm not going to lie, I'd have a hard time rooting if they left Baltimore and an almost impossible time if they changed their identity. I just feel that is a different scenario than we have here. I mean, would you root for the Skins if they skipped town and started calling themselves by another name?

If they rooted for the closest MLB team, then they were probably baseball fans, but not true O's fans. Now that they have a team in DC they can be true Nats fans.

Mind you, I am not in any way criticizing the people from DC who are going to be Nats fans. All I am explaining is how I feel about the O's and that if it is that easy to switch you were just a mild fan of the team.

So, you would find it hard rooting if they left Baltimore. You're rooting for the organization the Orioles which means that if the team did leave, they wouldn't be able to take the identity of Orioles with them because of the history and tradition. That sounds like you're rooting for whoever plays in Baltimore.

[CrimsonTribe]

So, you would find it hard rooting if they left Baltimore. You're rooting for the organization the Orioles which means that if the team did leave, they wouldn't be able to take the identity of Orioles with them because of the history and tradition. That sounds like you're rooting for whoever plays in Baltimore.

I'm not trying to justify why I'm a Baltimore fan here. I think you're pulling this discussion way off topic, but I'll try to explain it anyway.

I root for the Orioles because I grew up going to Sunday games with my Dad. I have no other affiliation with Baltimore, in fact, I hate the Ravens with a passion. So no, I don't root for them because they are in Baltimore. I root for them because I grew up rooting for them, part proximity, part Cal Ripken, and part whatever else goes into being a fan. If they moved and became the L.A. Orioles, I'd be pissed and wouldn't be the same degree of fan. If they became the Baltimore Penguins I'd be pissed and wouldn't be the same degree of fan. If they left town and three years later the Baltimore Orioles were reinstated (a la Cleveland Browns) I would probably be a fan again, although it would take a little work. I love the BALTIMORE ORIOLES plain and simple. That's that. The point I was trying to make before I was pulled off topic is that if you find yourself switching teams, then you were probably never a true fan of Baltimore Orioles. You were possibly a mild fan. I mean absolutely nothing negative by this... I am just trying to explain how I see it.

[AGibbsGirl]

So, you would find it hard rooting if they left Baltimore. You're rooting for the organization the Orioles which means that if the team did leave, they wouldn't be able to take the identity of Orioles with them because of the history and tradition. That sounds like you're rooting for whoever plays in Baltimore.

Just curious..is that a bad thing?

The O's would no longer be the O's if they moved somewhere else, and if they did keep their name and moved somewhere else, then I would no longer root for them. I want my hometown team. ...Should I just stay out of the conversation?


(PS This doesn't count with football teams...I'm Grandfathered in with the Redskins :D)

[CrimsonTribe]

Just curious..is that a bad thing?

The O's would no longer be the O's if they moved somewhere else, and if they did keep their name and moved somewhere else, then I would no longer root for them. I want my hometown team. ...Should I just stay out of the conversation?


(PS This doesn't count with football teams...I'm Grandfathered in with the Redskins :D)

I think it is a little different w/ me b/c I am not and never have been from Maryland. I grew up outside of DC though (VA side) and went to Orioles games when I was young. I don't root for them b/c of Baltimore, but the way I see it, they just wouldn't be the same if they moved or changed.

[whitskins]

I think that if you want to ditch the O's to root for the more hometown Nats, then that's cool, but you can't talk smack about Baltimore Ravens fans who ditched the Skins.

I'll root for the Nats but the O's will remain my team, grew up on them, loved them, secretly shed tears when they were screwed out of the AL championship series and what would have been a World Series Title by the Indians. Not turning back on that.

[CrimsonTribe]

I think that if you want to ditch the O's to root for the more hometown Nats, then that's cool, but you can't talk smack about Baltimore Ravens fans who ditched the Skins.

I'll root for the Nats but the O's will remain my team, grew up on them, loved them, secretly shed tears when they were screwed out of the AL championship series and what would have been a World Series Title by the Indians. Not turning back on that.

The Ravens thing is a good point. I hated people just all of the sudden becoming Ravens fans. If they were honestly not aligned with a team before, fine, whatever. But if they had truly been aligned with a team (and I'm not just talking about the ones who were Skins fans), how could they just up and switch? I feel the same way here.

[hail2skins]

I'm not trying to justify why I'm a Baltimore fan here. I think you're pulling this discussion way off topic, but I'll try to explain it anyway.

I root for the Orioles because I grew up going to Sunday games with my Dad. I have no other affiliation with Baltimore, in fact, I hate the Ravens with a passion. So no, I don't root for them because they are in Baltimore. I root for them because I grew up rooting for them, part proximity, part Cal Ripken, and part whatever else goes into being a fan. If they moved and became the L.A. Orioles, I'd be pissed and wouldn't be the same degree of fan. If they became the Baltimore Penguins I'd be pissed and wouldn't be the same degree of fan. If they left town and three years later the Baltimore Orioles were reinstated (a la Cleveland Browns) I would probably be a fan again, although it would take a little work. I love the BALTIMORE ORIOLES plain and simple. That's that. The point I was trying to make before I was pulled off topic is that if you find yourself switching teams, then you were probably never a true fan of Baltimore Orioles. You were possibly a mild fan. I mean absolutely nothing negative by this... I am just trying to explain how I see it.

I'm not trying to get you to justify anything. You made a comment about people not being true fans because they're switching away from rooting for the O's. That's basically what you said, so I'm trying to figure out what exactly it is you mean. So I am on target. All I'm getting right now is that you're rooting for a name "Orioles". This is the comment you made which prompted my reply:

As a true fan you can't just up and change your team. As for the people who will switch to the Nats, you were probably never true O's fans anyways and that's OK. Good luck w/ the Nats.

Edit: This didn't sound sarcastic when I typed it originally and it wasn't meant to be. I meant that I understand if you don't feel as passionately as I do about the O's and good luck.

[hail2skins]

PS: Mike you asked if we'd still be fans if the team moved? The team would no longer be the Orioles then (Just as the Nats are no longer the Expos) I wish they would move to another city...and put us all out of our misery!!!!

Some cities will fight to keep the name and tradition of team in tact and in that city. So, if you're rooting for the home team and another team comes to town with the same name, will you root for them?

[CrimsonTribe]

I'm not trying to get you to justify anything. You made a comment about people not being true fans because they're switching away from rooting for the O's. That's basically what you said, so I'm trying to figure out what exactly it is you mean. So I am on target. All I'm getting right now is that you're rooting for a name "Orioles". This is the comment you made which prompted my reply:

Good Lord this is getting frustrating. Read that long post again. In it I actually explained that I am not rooting for a "name." That is not the point.

We are obviously shooting at different targets. I have explained what I meant by that quote you refer to at least three or four times now. Here is that meaning:

If you are a true fan of the Baltimore Orioles, the team, the concept, whatever, you would not switch allegances just because a new team moved into your hometown or closer to your hometown. If you switch, you were probably a mild fan of the team, a fan in waiting for something else (a la a hometown team), or just a baseball fan. You were not a true Orioles fan though. That is it. I say it with no negativity. I do not judge. I kinda care, but whatever. The Nats are your team now, have fun.

[hail2skins]

Good Lord this is getting frustrating. Read that long post again. In it I actually explained that I am not rooting for a "name." That is not the point.

We are obviously shooting at different targets. I have explained what I meant by that quote you refer to at least three or four times now. Here is that meaning:

If you are a true fan of the Baltimore Orioles, the team, the concept, whatever, you would not switch allegances just because a new team moved into your hometown or closer to your hometown. If you switch, you were probably a mild fan of the team, a fan in waiting for something else (a la a hometown team), or just a baseball fan. You were not a true Orioles fan though. That is it. I say it with no negativity. I do not judge. I kinda care, but whatever. The Nats are your team now, have fun.

Fortunately I don't fall into your category of true fan for the Orioles. Read my post. I never rooted for them. You're right, we're probably shooting for different targets.

[CrimsonTribe]

Fortunately I don't fall into your category of true fan for the Orioles. Read my post. I never rooted for them. You're right, we're probably shooting for different targets.

I was never shooting for anyone personally, just making a statement that IMO if you switch teams you were prob not a true fan of the original team. Works for any time a new team comes along.

[PyroGenic]

I live too far away from Baltimore to even feel vaguely attached to the O's, sure I'd have a little smirk on my face if i heard they won or something but I wouldnt really talk about it. Now that I have a somewhat local team thats actually gonna play in DC I have something to root for... WOO, GOOOO NATS!

[RedskinsDave]

If the team left Baltimore and you no longer cheered for them, I guess that means you were only a mild fan. Just saying, the BALTIMORE O's are your team, have fun.

[MoeRedskins]

I don't see why anyone would cheer for a team whose owner said "there are no real baseball fans in D.C."


Then a week later held a rally in D.C. for all of the O's fans to come out. Needless to say, it was a flop.

[MoeRedskins]

So, you would find it hard rooting if they left Baltimore. You're rooting for the organization the Orioles which means that if the team did leave, they wouldn't be able to take the identity of Orioles with them because of the history and tradition. That sounds like you're rooting for whoever plays in Baltimore.


Would you root for the skins if they left D.C. I wouldn't. If you are going to bring up the I'll be a fan no matter what, go ask Cleveland if anybody in that city was a Ravens after the year after they left.

[smoak]

Once I have a favorite team I can never switch for any reason. If the Skins left DC I would either still root for them or give up on the NFL.

[whitskins]

If the team left Baltimore and you no longer cheered for them, I guess that means you were only a mild fan. Just saying, the BALTIMORE O's are your team, have fun.

So the fans of the Cleveland Browns that despised the Baltimore Ravens were only mild fans?

[whitskins]

Would you root for the skins if they left D.C. I wouldn't. If you are going to bring up the I'll be a fan no matter what, go ask Cleveland if anybody in that city was a Ravens after the year after they left.

Whoops, didn't see your post before mine LJHD, I made the same point.

[RedskinsDave]

So the fans of the Cleveland Browns that despised the Baltimore Ravens were only mild fans?

I just bustin balls Whit. Tide is calling out fans who are changing allegiance. I think if you choose not to follow a team that leaves your town is no different than cheering for a new one who comes in. But then Tide goes on to say he might not cheer for the O's if they left Baltimore. Sounds like an allegiance to the city and not the team just like D.C. fans who have switched. At least the D.C. fans have a reason to have an allegiance. It's their town.

[whitskins]

I just bustin balls Whit. Tide is calling out fans who are changing allegiance. I think if you choose not to follow a team that leaves your town is no different than cheering for a new one who comes in. But then Tide goes on to say he might not cheer for the O's if they left Baltimore. Sounds like an allegiance to the city and not the team just like D.C. fans who have switched. At least the D.C. fans have a reason to have an allegiance. It's their town.

Gotcha, sometimes it's hard to tell on the net, my bad :)

[Keino]

Would you root for the skins if they left D.C. I wouldn't. If you are going to bring up the I'll be a fan no matter what, go ask Cleveland if anybody in that city was a Ravens after the year after they left.
I would most certainly not cheer for the Redskins if they left DC. Quite the opposite actually.........

[hail2skins]

I just bustin balls Whit. Tide is calling out fans who are changing allegiance. I think if you choose not to follow a team that leaves your town is no different than cheering for a new one who comes in. But then Tide goes on to say he might not cheer for the O's if they left Baltimore. Sounds like an allegiance to the city and not the team just like D.C. fans who have switched. At least the D.C. fans have a reason to have an allegiance. It's their town.

That's the point I was trying to make. Thanks Dave.

[CrimsonTribe]

I just bustin balls Whit. Tide is calling out fans who are changing allegiance. I think if you choose not to follow a team that leaves your town is no different than cheering for a new one who comes in. But then Tide goes on to say he might not cheer for the O's if they left Baltimore. Sounds like an allegiance to the city and not the team just like D.C. fans who have switched. At least the D.C. fans have a reason to have an allegiance. It's their town.

It's not the same thing. Anyone w/ a decent sense of logic can tell that.

Example A: You have a team. Another team moves closer to you, you switch to the new team. Your old team is the same, how did you abandon them if you are a true fan?

Example B: You have a team. They switch towns. They are no longer the same in one major way. All the aspects that made up the team you love are not there, you love them a little less.

There are multiple factors that go into loving a team: location, name, logo, players, etc. In one example, nothing changes about your team, yet you ditch them. In the other your team isn't the same in some way, it's different.

[CrimsonTribe]

I just bustin balls Whit. Tide is calling out fans who are changing allegiance. I think if you choose not to follow a team that leaves your town is no different than cheering for a new one who comes in. But then Tide goes on to say he might not cheer for the O's if they left Baltimore. Sounds like an allegiance to the city and not the team just like D.C. fans who have switched. At least the D.C. fans have a reason to have an allegiance. It's their town.

Also, I said that I wouldn't be as big of a fan if they were in Baltimore, but called by another name. Read the whole post, don't just pick your favorite part.

[IRizzle]

F*** the O's. The team is headed nowhere in the AL East which is dominated by the Yanks and BoSox and their pompous, arrogant owner refused to allow DC to have its own team. To compound his arrogance, Angelos demanded that the Nats and O's split revenue and split TV coverage on Comcast. The Ravens and Skins don't need to share revenue, so why should the Nats and O's? Ditch the O's for all you true DC fans and I personally am boycotting the team as long as they're not playing my Yankees. Yanks/Nats World Series in '05.

[AGibbsGirl]

So all of those Expos fans will now be Nat fans?

I dunno...if the Redskins moved off to Arizona and became the Lizards...I doubt I would root for them because they would no longer be my hometown team, no longer be part of my community.

However, if I moved to Arizona and became a lizard (lotta sun out there :D) I would still root for the Redskins even though they were no longer my hometown team....

So what the heck does that make me?

Loyal to the name...
or
Loyal to the city...?

[Keino]

Loyal to the city. I am moving to Tampa over the Summer. I will still be a Skins fan (and will be at the Skins homegames). However, if the Skins left DC, I couldn't forgive them.

It's why I always cheer against teh Texas Rangers and Minnesota Twins. Both of those franchises were the Washington Senators at one point.......

[hail2skins]

F*** the O's. The team is headed nowhere in the AL East which is dominated by the Yanks and BoSox and their pompous, arrogant owner refused to allow DC to have its own team. To compound his arrogance, Angelos demanded that the Nats and O's split revenue and split TV coverage on Comcast. The Ravens and Skins don't need to share revenue, so why should the Nats and O's? Ditch the O's for all you true DC fans and I personally am boycotting the team as long as they're not playing my Yankees. Yanks/Nats World Series in '05.

Dude, you need to get a grip here. I've seen several post where you've used profanity. You're new here, so you should get to know the board first.

[CrimsonTribe]

So all of those Expos fans will now be Nat fans?

I dunno...if the Redskins moved off to Arizona and became the Lizards...I doubt I would root for them because they would no longer be my hometown team, no longer be part of my community.

However, if I moved to Arizona and became a lizard (lotta sun out there :D) I would still root for the Redskins even though they were no longer my hometown team....

So what the heck does that make me?

Loyal to the name...
or
Loyal to the city...?

I think I agree w/ you more than anyone else. I think that it's not just the city. It is everything that make the Skins who they are. If they moved they wouldn't be the same. If you moved, they would.

It may be hometown w/ you though. For me it sort of is. I moved away when I was eight. Granted not too far, but after that it was just what I had grown up with.

[CrimsonTribe]

F*** the O's. The team is headed nowhere in the AL East which is dominated by the Yanks and BoSox and their pompous, arrogant owner refused to allow DC to have its own team. To compound his arrogance, Angelos demanded that the Nats and O's split revenue and split TV coverage on Comcast. The Ravens and Skins don't need to share revenue, so why should the Nats and O's? Ditch the O's for all you true DC fans and I personally am boycotting the team as long as they're not playing my Yankees. Yanks/Nats World Series in '05.

You have to realize that revenue in football and baseball are different. The Skins and Ravens do not have to compete for cable revenue. The O's were working on a cable system that reached from Maryland to NC. It would have put them on par w/ the Yanks and Sox. Now that the Nats moved in, they MAY get 50-60% of that. It is a BIG deal.

[RedskinsDave]

It's not the same thing. Anyone w/ a decent sense of logic can tell that.

Example A: You have a team. Another team moves closer to you, you switch to the new team. Your old team is the same, how did you abandon them if you are a true fan?

Example B: You have a team. They switch towns. They are no longer the same in one major way. All the aspects that made up the team you love are not there, you love them a little less.

There are multiple factors that go into loving a team: location, name, logo, players, etc. In one example, nothing changes about your team, yet you ditch them. In the other your team isn't the same in some way, it's different.

Well I guess you don't have that decent sense of logic you mention. In your Example A you conveniently say "you have a team and another moves closer and you switch". That's ignoring the HOMETOWN FACTOR. I know you did it on purpose because you know that's why fans are changing allegiance and it bothers you. So be it. Make sure to let all the bandwagon fans who switched this year how many games you make it to in Baltimore.

[Spence]

Many people in the D.C. area were fans of Baltimore because that was the closest baseball team. More importantly, that was the only team they could consistently watch on television--at least without having to pay for expensive satellite subscription services. But many of these same fans never lost their longing for a team in the D.C. area itself. One can think of them as disloyal for ditching the Orioles for the Nationals, but I think that's absurd. These are people who are loyal to the D.C. area and the teams thereof. The Baltimore Orioles, to them, were never more than a temporary stop on the way to baseball in the nation's capital.

[dj_stouty]

The Redskins lost a small portion of their fanbase when the Ravens came to Baltimore. Same thing is happening now...except it is a much LARGER portion that is moving from the O's to the Nats.

I really have no sympathy for the O's, their team, and their current fan base.

HAving a team in DC will probably create even more of a rivalry between the two cities.

Fine with me...

[Keino]

Well I guess you don't have that decent sense of logic you mention. In your Example A you conveniently say "you have a team and another moves closer and you switch". That's ignoring the HOMETOWN FACTOR. I know you did it on purpose because you know that's why fans are changing allegiance and it bothers you. So be it. Make sure to let all the bandwagon fans who switched this year how many games you make it to in Baltimore.
Dave makes a great point. There are many Washingtonians like myself that despise the city of Baltimore. My hometown is Washington, not Baltimore. It's not a team moving closer, it's a team moving to my home town verses a team in a neighboring town.

[candeeman]

My reason is simple. I hate ambulance chasers.

[CrimsonTribe]

Well I guess you don't have that decent sense of logic you mention. In your Example A you conveniently say "you have a team and another moves closer and you switch". That's ignoring the HOMETOWN FACTOR. I know you did it on purpose because you know that's why fans are changing allegiance and it bothers you. So be it. Make sure to let all the bandwagon fans who switched this year how many games you make it to in Baltimore.

W/ that last post, I was just showing you how those two situations, which you somehow consider similar, are not.

You're missing my point. Read my posts. All I have been saying is that if you switch, you were never a true fan of the O's. That is all. If you were never a true fan of the O's, you shouldn't have a problem with this.

Also, I am in no way ignoring the HOMETOWN FACTOR. I am just saying that you (the Royal you) have a team and nothing changes about them. A new team (the EXPOS) moves into your hometown and you drop the former team. You were therefore, never really a true fan of the original team. Not too hard to grasp, huh? Personally, I think my point has been made about seven times here, maybe eight is the charm.

[CrimsonTribe]

Many people in the D.C. area were fans of Baltimore because that was the closest baseball team. More importantly, that was the only team they could consistently watch on television--at least without having to pay for expensive satellite subscription services. But many of these same fans never lost their longing for a team in the D.C. area itself. One can think of them as disloyal for ditching the Orioles for the Nationals, but I think that's absurd. These are people who are loyal to the D.C. area and the teams thereof. The Baltimore Orioles, to them, were never more than a temporary stop on the way to baseball in the nation's capital.

The point I am trying to make, right here. Maybe you'll listen to this and stop reading negatively into my posts. People who switch and become Nats fans were not true fans of the Baltimore Orioles.

[RedskinsDave]

You're ignoring the fact that Angelos has done all he can to turn off D.C. O's fans and there is a new team in their hometown. I'm sure they all were REAL O'S FANS but 7 years of crappy teams, rising ticket prices and being pissed on by the thief of an owner will make people change allegiance.

[Jimreaper007]

Baltimore = Seafood

The Orioles were a bad dream

[CrimsonTribe]

You're ignoring the fact that Angelos has done all he can to turn off D.C. O's fans and there is a new team in their hometown. I'm sure they all were REAL O'S FANS but 7 years of crappy teams, rising ticket prices and being pissed on by the thief of an owner will make people change allegiance.

I'm no fan of Angelos myself. Crappy teams, rising ticket prices, and a thief of an owner didn't just happen to DC fans. Granted his comments didn't help and should be taken into account. As I said before though, being a fan of both Angelos and of the Orioles isn't required. I don't want to start anything here, but it's not like Snyder has provided us with winning teams, stability, or anything to show that he appreciates the fans more than money. Somehow I still like him though.

[RedskinsDave]

Right, and if the Redskins were in Baltimore and a new team came to Washington, I would expect Washingtonians to cheer for the new team.

[Spence]

This isn't something that can be debated or argued. We'll all just have to agree to disagree and do it as agreeably as possible. Some people believe the Orioles are the team of the Washington area and others hope the Orioles and all associated with the team are swallowed by the Earth and spend an eternity rotting and roasting in the fiery pits of Hell.*

* Or maybe that's just me.

[AGibbsGirl]

Like I always say...either you're a fan or you're not...and I hold no grudges against those who will now turn to the Nats...because the O's were just someone to root for in the interim, while you were waiting for Baseball to return to DC...that's OK with me!

Will the two teams play each other?

[IRizzle]

Dude, you need to get a grip here. I've seen several post where you've used profanity. You're new here, so you should get to know the board first.


is hailredskins.com the FCC or something now?

[hail2skins]

is hailredskins.com the FCC or something now?

Not it isn't but we have an environment here you better respect.

[IRizzle]

ok i respect it. just don't go overboard.

[hail2skins]

ok i respect it. just don't go overboard.

No, don't you go overboard. You should at least try to understand the atmosphere of board when you join.

[IRizzle]

sorry mommy.

[IRizzle]

t minus 30 seconds until i get kicked out.

[hail2skins]

sorry mommy.

grow up

[hail2skins]

t minus 30 seconds until i get kicked out.

If you wish

[IRizzle]

grow up


i will if you stop being a nazi.

[whitskins]

5... 4... 3... 2...

[RedskinsDave]

In my best Don Corleone..........Take him out Michael.

[Jimreaper007]

Run Forest.....the hammer is coming down!

[whitskins]

And it's official... We hardly knew yee IRizzle.

[GibbsRules!]

Did I miss the funeral?...darn it!

[CrimsonTribe]

Like I always say...either you're a fan or you're not...and I hold no grudges against those who will now turn to the Nats...because the O's were just someone to root for in the interim, while you were waiting for Baseball to return to DC...that's OK with me!

Will the two teams play each other?

As I reiterated over and over, it's OK w/ me too. IMO you just weren't a true fan of the O's. That's it.

And unfortunately (for me at least), they will play each other and probably be geographic rivals for interleague play. Now that the O's won't be geographic rivals w/ the Braves anymore, I won't get to see them every season down here in Alabama.

[CrimsonTribe]

And it's official... We hardly knew yee IRizzle.

He was a good man, and thorough.

[redskin_rich]

He was a good man, and thorough.
See what you stirred up Crimson. j/k

I would fall under the term "never a true fan of the O's", even though I went to their games all the way back in the 70's at Memorial Stadium, I supported them but they were always Baltimore's team to me. As I stated on the first page of this thread, I stopped going to Camden Yards 5 years ago when I heard of fish face blocking DC from getting a team. Now I have a team in my home town to root for, simple as that. If it weren't for Angelos' blocking of DC getting a team, the O's would have been my 2nd favorite team now, just like the Colts were when they were in B-more.

[RedskinsDave]

I am here to announce that CRIMSON TIDE IS THE GREATEST ORIOLES FAN EVER!!!!!! Here me and know I speak the truth!!!! All the rest of you are mere peons in the world of Oriole fandom!!! I declare this true today and al days that follow. Pay your respect the king of of all fans now!!!!!!!!

[akhhorus]

I am here to announce that CRIMSON TIDE IS THE GREATEST ORIOLES FAN EVER!!!!!! Here me and know I speak the truth!!!! All the rest of you are mere peons in the world of Oriole fandom!!! I declare this true today and al days that follow. Pay your respect the king of of all fans now!!!!!!!!

lmao

Sorry, this post made me crack up.

[GibbsRules!]

I am here to announce that CRIMSON TIDE IS THE GREATEST ORIOLES FAN EVER!!!!!! Here me and know I speak the truth!!!! All the rest of you are mere peons in the world of Oriole fandom!!! I declare this true today and al days that follow. Pay your respect the king of of all fans now!!!!!!!!
A disgruntled Yankee fan bashing an Oriole fan. I sense some misdirected anger RD. You should be focusing on your new daddy - Curt Schilling.

Stick to your guns CrimsonTribe, I'll spell your screen name right and give you props...You've expressed yourself very well I might add.

[Keino]

CrimsonTribe has made his point. Im not a true Fan of the Orioles. I just have to argue with someone with Mr. Belvedere as their avatar....

[CrimsonTribe]

I am here to announce that CRIMSON TIDE IS THE GREATEST ORIOLES FAN EVER!!!!!! Here me and know I speak the truth!!!! All the rest of you are mere peons in the world of Oriole fandom!!! I declare this true today and al days that follow. Pay your respect the king of of all fans now!!!!!!!!

Make a decent point, don't resort to personal attacks. People may take you seriously one day.

I am trying to have a serious discussion which doesn't offend anyone. First you attack where I live, then you attack me rather than the merits of my argument (or discussion). I don't understand your problem, but I'm sure it has to do with inferiority or something of that type. You should not have been offended at all by my saying that those fans who switch were not true O's fans unless somehow you believe you were one at one point.

[CrimsonTribe]

lmao

Sorry, this post made me crack up.

Because it is so pathetic?

[CrimsonTribe]

A disgruntled Yankee fan bashing an Oriole fan. I sense some misdirected anger RD. You should be focusing on your new daddy - Curt Schilling.

Stick to your guns CrimsonTribe, I'll spell your screen name right and give you props...You've expressed yourself very well I might add.

Thanks man. I'm just trying to have a civil discussion here.

[tommahawk]

I gave up on the Os when the insurance attorney puchased them.
All of the things since then have led me to believe Angelos just wants to field a product for consumption at the lowest price possible, not a winner.
And now after Angelos has rained on the baseball in DC parade for years I have no use for his product at all. The last Os game I watched on TV was when Cal jr. broke the record for consecutive games. It's not that I never liked the Os its just the fact I never liked the Angelos. Get rid of him and I might be willing to root for the Os once in a while.

[RedskinsDave]

Crimson, you continue to call fans who switch not true fans as if you are in their head and know their reasoning. Stop it. Go ahead and question everyone if it makes you feel like a better fan.

Gibbsules apparently agrees with you and thinks that Keino and others weren't true fans too. I have no anger about my Yankees to misdirect. You go ahead and back Mr. 30 posts when he is trashing Kenny, Tom, Sean, and Joe and questioning their reasons for being Nats fans. I still live in D.C. and understand completely.

[Jimreaper007]

As I reiterated over and over, it's OK w/ me too. IMO you just weren't a true fan of the O's. That's it.

And unfortunately (for me at least), they will play each other and probably be geographic rivals for interleague play. Now that the O's won't be geographic rivals w/ the Braves anymore, I won't get to see them every season down here in Alabama.


I am not a big fan of steroid ball anyway and definitely not a fan of the Orioles. They have some nice players like Tejada, etc. but now that my home town has a team...buh-bye. Not that I went to see the O's a lot anyway. Look on the bright side, real orioles fans can get much better seats now that the Washingtonians are going elsewhere.

[CrimsonTribe]

Crimson, you continue to call fans who switch not true fans as if you are in their head and know their reasoning. Stop it. Go ahead and question everyone if it makes you feel like a better fan.

Gibbsules apparently agrees with you and thinks that Keino and others weren't true fans too. I have no anger about my Yankees to misdirect. You go ahead and back Mr. 30 posts when he is trashing Kenny, Tom, Sean, and Joe and questioning their reasons for being Nats fans. I still live in D.C. and understand completely.

I'm not concerned about their reasoning. That isn't the point. I'm just saying they probably weren't a true fan of the O's if they are willing to switch. It shouldn't offend anyone that they weren't a true fan of the O's and the only person it seems to have really struck a nerve with is you, an inexplicable Yankee fan.

Oh, and the fact that I have 30 something posts obviously shows that I can't make a good point. You have almost 5,000 posts and I haven't seen a decent point yet. Get over yourself and stop trying to start things that aren't there. How do they keep you on this board w/ the number of personal attacks you lay out?

[CrimsonTribe]

I am not a big fan of steroid ball anyway and definitely not a fan of the Orioles. They have some nice players like Tejada, etc. but now that my home town has a team...buh-bye. Not that I went to see the O's a lot anyway. Look on the bright side, real orioles fans can get much better seats now that the Washingtonians are going elsewhere.

That's fine, I respect that. But do you actually take it personally that I'm saying you weren't a true fan of the O's? I don't think you do, so I'm not seeing what the big problem is w/ some people on here.

[GibbsRules!]

Gibbsules apparently agrees with you and thinks that Keino and others weren't true fans too. I have no anger about my Yankees to misdirect. You go ahead and back Mr. 30 posts when he is trashing Kenny, Tom, Sean, and Joe and questioning their reasons for being Nats fans. I still live in D.C. and understand completely.

I don't see where he "trashed" all the people you mentioned Dave. They're big boys and can take care of themselves. Mike did so quite well, so did Spence and Keino.

CrimsonTribe stated his opinion and that was it...now you're making it an us vs. them thing. Whatever man. Keep on attacking him. I guess he should have an inferiority complex since he only has 30 posts. Maybe you'll accept, or at least try to see his point of view, when he gets to 100 posts...

[GibbsRules!]

I am not a big fan of steroid ball anyway and definitely not a fan of the Orioles. They have some nice players like Tejada, etc. but now that my home town has a team...buh-bye. Not that I went to see the O's a lot anyway. Look on the bright side, real orioles fans can get much better seats now that the Washingtonians are going elsewhere.
So steroid ball is specific to the O's. Thanks Jim.

[RedskinsDave]

Oh please guy, you're getting your rocks off by saying others aren't true fans thus implying you are better than them. Each time someone posts their reason for being a Nats fan, you follow with "guess you weren't a real fan then". You have completely ignored the HOMETOWN FACTOR because it is a valid argument.

Inexplicable Yankees fan? My family is from New York, thank you.

Have fun with YOUR Orioles and remember to let all of us know how many games you go to or watch this year. We can work out a formula to determine who is the "truest" fan of their chosen team.

[RedskinsDave]

I don't see where he "trashed" all the people you mentioned Dave. They're big boys and can take care of themselves. Mike did so quite well, so did Spence and Keino.

CrimsonTribe stated his opinion and that was it...now you're making it an us vs. them thing. Whatever man. Keep on attacking him. I guess he should have an inferiority complex since he only has 30 posts. Maybe you'll accept, or at least try to see his point of view, when he gets to 100 posts...

No but I will when he stops claiming to be a better fan then they are. I guess you think the fans who are now Nats fans weren't true fans too. Glad to know it.

[CrimsonTribe]

Oh please guy, you're getting your rocks off by saying others aren't true fans thus implying you are better than them. Each time someone posts their reason for being a Nats fan, you follow with "guess you weren't a real fan then". You have completely ignored the HOMETOWN FACTOR because it is a valid argument.

Inexplicable Yankees fan? My family is from New York, thank you.

Have fun with YOUR Orioles and remember to let all of us know how many games you go to or watch this year. We can work out a formula to determine who is the "truest" fan of their chosen team.

Show me one time where I have implied that I was better than anyone. I have prefaced most, if not all, of my statements w/ disclaimers that I am not looking negatively at fans that switch. I am just making a simple (read that, simple) statement that they were probably not true O's fans.

You are the one who has resorted making fun of my location, my number of posts, and outright personal attacks.

Your illustrious HOMETOWN FACTOR (as you like to repeat over and over) can be taken into account as a factor in showing why they may not have been true O's fans. I think I established that earlier by saying that they were probably just fans in waiting.

You are so full of holes that you have to resort to smear tactics to get people to listen to you. Not proud to call you a Skins fan.

[RedskinsDave]

Here's where you should be posting and not worry about those fakey fans who cheer for the Nats now:

http://www.baltimoresun2.com/talk/forumdisplay.php?f=9

[CrimsonTribe]

Here's where you should be posting and not worry about those fakey fans who cheer for the Nats now:

http://www.baltimoresun2.com/talk/forumdisplay.php?f=9

Thanks man, I appreciate it.

Here's one for you too: http://www.forums.mlb.com/ml-yankees. I mean, seeing as how your allegiance has so much to do w/ this discussion.

[GibbsRules!]

No but I will when he stops claiming to be a better fan then they are.
He actually said that?


I guess you think the fans who are now Nats fans weren't true fans too. Glad to know it.
No Dave, It's pretty obvious the Nats fans have had it with Angelos belittling the Washington area fan base. Their anger is justified. Whether they were passive or active Oriole fans, Angelos pushed some over the edge. I can see that and respect it.

It's your anger and attacks I don't understand. Why so much hate for the O's when it's the team to the north of you who now owns you? If you have a gripe, call Theo Epstein and ask him to stop upstaging Brian Cashman.
Relax man...

[RedskinsDave]

Wow, the Sox win one series and they own the Yanks. Nice try. Let me know when the O's crack that elusive .500 mark. You don't understand my anger and I don't understand why you jumped in, added nothing to the conversation and then tried to crack on my team.

[CrimsonTribe]

Wow, the Sox win one series and they own the Yanks. Nice try. Let me know when the O's crack that elusive .500 mark. You don't understand my anger and I don't understand why you jumped in, added nothing to the conversation and then tried to crack on my team.

Why exactly did you jump in again? You're a fan of the O's or Nats right? Oh wait. Because it's obvious that you've added so much to the discussion.

Now, before you reply, I know you were trying to back up people that you MISTAKENLY thought I was attacking.

GibbsRules! is just backing me up after you ACTUALLY DID personally attack me.

[RedskinsDave]

Well if you don't consider saying that someone who ACTUALLY WENT TO GAMES and ACTUALLY SPENT MONEY on the Orioles is not a true fan isn't an insult or attempted one then that's where we differ. I think if these people patronized the Orioles and cheered for them that they were true fans.

[Jimreaper007]

So steroid ball is specific to the O's. Thanks Jim.

Read the post s-l-o-w-l-y

I am not a huge fan of baseball because of the steroids. I just plain ol don't like the Orioles. I am still amazed how you crossed the two thoughts and mixed the O's with the steroids.

Hmmmm......someone was not reading

[GibbsRules!]

Read the post s-l-o-w-l-y

I am not a huge fan of baseball because of the steroids. I just plain ol don't like the Orioles. I am still amazed how you crossed the two thoughts and mixed the O's with the steroids.

Hmmmm......someone was not reading

You're right JimReap. I did misread it and responded too quickly. I retract that statement...sorry for the mixup.

[Jimreaper007]

You're right JimReap. I did misread it and responded too quickly. I retract that statement...sorry for the mixup.


Nyet problema...

You are still the man!!!

:D

[CrimsonTribe]

Well if you don't consider saying that someone who ACTUALLY WENT TO GAMES and ACTUALLY SPENT MONEY on the Orioles is not a true fan isn't an insult or attempted one then that's where we differ. I think if these people patronized the Orioles and cheered for them that they were true fans.

I don't get what you're saying here. B/c I live 14 hours away I'm less of a fan? Makes no sense. I can't even afford to make it to Baltimore, let alone go to a game. B/c I can't do that, I'm less of a fan than Joe Schmoe who doesn't really care, but takes his kids for a good time?

Spending money to patronize a game does not in any way make you a true fan. It's how much you care about the team. Hell, I paid good money to go to a Braves game last season, am I a true fan now?

Some people just go to games for enjoyment, some go b/c it is the closest team. This doesn't make them true fans of the team.

[Ramsey2Moss]

I'll root for both. Mostly just Tejada for the O's, and Brian Roberts cuz he's my boy, but it's all about the SOX and the NATS.

[AGibbsGirl]

CT you do realize that I have been in agreement with you about the whole "not a true fan" statement from the get go?
But it seems as though you keep defending yourself after reading my posts....I'm ON YOUR SIDE MAN

...but before RD or anyone else jumps in...let me say that I also made it clear that I don't care if Nat fans weren't "real" O's fans (because if you were then the O's would still be your team)...I know that you were just waiting for baseball to come back to DC...

PS: The Yankees SUCK~! :D

[CrimsonTribe]

CT you do realize that I have been in agreement with you about the whole "not a true fan" statement from the get go?
But it seems as though you keep defending yourself after reading my posts....I'm ON YOUR SIDE MAN

...but before RD or anyone else jumps in...let me say that I also made it clear that I don't care if Nat fans weren't "real" O's fans (because if you were then the O's would still be your team)...I know that you were just waiting for baseball to come back to DC...

PS: The Yankees SUCK~! :D

I knew you were on my side. I actually said at one point that I thought I agreed w/ you the most. I was just playing off of what you said to strengthen my argument b/c some people seemed to take you seriously while bashing me. I also had to distinguish our two situations a little bit b/c you are in Maryland while I am in Alabama.

And I will also reiterate that while it irks me that my team is losing fans (and being weakened in other ways), I don't really care that people switch as long as they don't claim to be true O's fans.

[RedskinsDave]

Here's my example: If my wife were reported missing and assumed dead in say 1971 (to pick a random year). I wait for years hoping for her return but I can't any longer and then sometime in 1978 I remarry. I am happily married for 27 years and we even have a kid in 1983 (we tied to have another kid in 1996 but there were complications). I treat my wife great and she is good to me. Miraculously my first wife is found alive. Of course this was after many times where there was false hope she was found before this. During the period where my first wife is being checked out by doctors and being transported home, my 2nd wife becomes a real pain. She is charging up all my credit cards with nothing to show for it and even goes so far as to tell me I wasn't a good husband. Then my first wife comes home and after seeing her, I realize she is my true soul mate. My second wife promises to be true to me and to take care of herself and I know I'll never get that promise from my second wife.

In your worlds, I was not a real husband to my second wife. I just don't think you can say that.

[rskinsfan10]

Here's my example: If my wife were reported missing and assumed dead in say 1971 (to pick a random year). I wait for years hoping for her return but I can't any longer and then sometime in 1978 I remarry. I am happily married for 27 years and we even have a kid in 1983 (we tied to have another kid in 1996 but there were complications). I treat my wife great and she is good to me. Miraculously my first wife is found alive. Of course this was after many times where there was false hope she was found before this. During the period where my first wife is being checked out by doctors and being transported home, my 2nd wife becomes a real pain. She is charging up all my credit cards with nothing to show for it and even goes so far as to tell me I wasn't a good husband. Then my first wife comes home and after seeing her, I realize she is my true soul mate. My second wife promises to be true to me and to take care of herself and I know I'll never get that promise from my second wife.

In your worlds, I was not a real husband to my second wife. I just don't think you can say that.

Great analogy IMO.

[CrimsonTribe]

Here's my example: If my wife were reported missing and assumed dead in say 1971 (to pick a random year). I wait for years hoping for her return but I can't any longer and then sometime in 1978 I remarry. I am happily married for 27 years and we even have a kid in 1983 (we tied to have another kid in 1996 but there were complications). I treat my wife great and she is good to me. Miraculously my first wife is found alive. Of course this was after many times where there was false hope she was found before this. During the period where my first wife is being checked out by doctors and being transported home, my 2nd wife becomes a real pain. She is charging up all my credit cards with nothing to show for it and even goes so far as to tell me I wasn't a good husband. Then my first wife comes home and after seeing her, I realize she is my true soul mate. My second wife promises to be true to me and to take care of herself and I know I'll never get that promise from my second wife.

In your worlds, I was not a real husband to my second wife. I just don't think you can say that.

As much as I don't think this applies b/c of the HUGE difference btw love for a woman and love for a baseball team...

It actually turns out that it was your 2nd wife's father who was using her to get access to your credit cards and such. He was even the one who made the "bad husband" comment. Your 2nd wife was not complicit at all in any of this. Don't judge her b/c of her father's actions.

As for your 1st wife. She comes back different. She looks different and is a vastly different person overall on the inside too. You really don't even know her, but she does tell you stories about the time she spent up north. Maybe you can be friends w/ her, but your 2nd wife is innocent and if you truly loved her you wouldn't leave her.

Also, this little analogy can't apply to anyone who wasn't "married" in 1971. So what about for the kids my age who grew up rooting for the O's and never had a "1st wife"?

[CrimsonTribe]

Here's my example: If my wife were reported missing and assumed dead in say 1971 (to pick a random year). I wait for years hoping for her return but I can't any longer and then sometime in 1978 I remarry. I am happily married for 27 years and we even have a kid in 1983 (we tied to have another kid in 1996 but there were complications). I treat my wife great and she is good to me. Miraculously my first wife is found alive. Of course this was after many times where there was false hope she was found before this. During the period where my first wife is being checked out by doctors and being transported home, my 2nd wife becomes a real pain. She is charging up all my credit cards with nothing to show for it and even goes so far as to tell me I wasn't a good husband. Then my first wife comes home and after seeing her, I realize she is my true soul mate. My second wife promises to be true to me and to take care of herself and I know I'll never get that promise from my second wife.

In your worlds, I was not a real husband to my second wife. I just don't think you can say that.

Oh yeah, and this should probably be your 2nd and 3rd wife, or your 3rd and 4th or whatever. You do have a reputation for being a pretty bad "husband" to this type of wife.

[RedskinsDave]

Yeah and I guess you only really have common law wives because you don't have any real ties that are discernable other than your word.

[rskinsfan10]

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[skinsfan44]

I stopped supporting the wOe's 5 years ago when I first heard of Angelos trying to block DC from getting a team, so I don't consider myself a turncoat now that my hometown finally has a team that I will support exclusively.
Now if we could just get the fans at Fed Ex to stop screaming OOOO during the national anthem.

I stopped rooting for the O's after Johnson was fired after he had won "Manager of the Year." :doh:

Angelos doesn't care about winning. You can hate Snyder all you want, atleast he wants to win.

I couldn't agree with you more rich, about people saying "Ooooo" during the National Anthem.

That is so disrespectful.

[PennSkinsFan]

I stopped rooting for the O's after Johnson was fired after he had won "Manager of the Year." :doh:

Angelos doesn't care about winning. You can hate Snyder all you want, atleast he wants to win.

I couldn't agree with you more rich, about people saying "Ooooo" during the National Anthem.

That is so disrespectful.

I'm with you, althought I think I stopped rooting for them a little before that. In essence it really does nto matter, because if I were still an Oriole fan, it woudl have ended regradless the day the Nats move to DC!

[CrimsonTribe]

Yeah and I guess you only really have common law wives because you don't have any real ties that are discernable other than your word.

What are your reasons for liking the Yanks again? You have family there? Most overused bad reason ever. At least I previously explained how and why I am an O's fan.

[CrimsonTribe]

Yeah and I guess you only really have common law wives because you don't have any real ties that are discernable other than your word.

And we're on a message board. All anyone has is their word.

[RedskinsDave]

What are your reasons for liking the Yanks again? You have family there? Most overused bad reason ever. At least I previously explained how and why I am an O's fan.

My entire family is from New York and I was raised a Yankees fan. Is that good enough for you oh great judge of fans or do I need to post a pic of my NY tattoo?

[CrimsonTribe]

My entire family is from New York and I was raised a Yankees fan. Is that good enough for you oh great judge of fans or do I need to post a pic of my NY tattoo?

You proved my point. If that's enough info to prove that you're a Yanks fan, then I've given enough to prove that I'm an O's fan. Where I live shouldn't matter. That isn't even a part of the original argument I was making.

[candeeman]

My entire family is from New York and I was raised a Yankees fan. Is that good enough for you oh great judge of fans or do I need to post a pic of my NY tattoo?
Post a pic as long as it not on your A$$.

[RedskinsDave]

You proved my point. If that's enough info to prove that you're a Yanks fan, then I've given enough to prove that I'm an O's fan. Where I live shouldn't matter. That isn't even a part of the original argument I was making.

I have ties to New York. By your own admission, you have none to Baltimore. How do you think your ties are the same?

[CrimsonTribe]

I have ties to New York. By your own admission, you have none to Baltimore. How do you think your ties are the same?

I am not saying they are the same. No one's reasons are the same. I'm saying that they are just as sufficient as yours. I grew up an Orioles fan and I explained this earlier in this thread if you would care to look back.

Again, this had nothing to do w/ the post that you started criticizing me for. Now you are just clutching at straws.

[Keino]

Im closing this thread. It has no redeeming Value. If you guys want to carry on with your pissing match do it via PM.