Rod Gardner a hot commodity?

[SkinsASchamps]

LINK (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=2007815)


What do you think about this?

[MoeRedskins]

i would run up and down the halls screaming if we got a mid first round pick for him.

[Shawnb555]

a high thrid or low second seems more likely then a first

[SkinsASchamps]

this is crazy. but we should all keep our mouths shut and let the other teams think what they want

[Jimreaper007]

Who knew Gardner was so popular?

I did know Burress was a bum though.

[Davey]

i would run up and down the halls screaming if we got a mid first round pick for him.

It said mid round, not mid first round.

[Spence]

Obviously, the more teams are interested in Gardner the better. A bidding war is the only chance the Skins have of receiving decent value for Gardner. And I happen to agree with those who prefer Gardner over Burress. Gardner is steadier and his contract demands will be far more reasonable. Burress is a classic "potential" guy. I'm pleased that the league has thus far shown some restraint with regard to Burress. I still think, however, that some team will drastically overpay for his services. I'm just glad it won't be the Redskins.

Personally, I'd take Hines Ward playing on one leg over Plexiglass Burress. Ward is more durable, a far better blocker, has better hands, is more consistent, a far superior route-runner, and understand the team concept much better than Burress. The Steelers, who have a long history of making good decisions in free agency, decided to keep Ward and lose Burress. That should tell you a lot right there.

[Spence]

I edited the title of this thread so people would have some idea of what it is about.

[bosshog001]

Maybe a read this wrong:

Despite the pending swap of Laveranues Coles to the New York Jets, which will become official when the wide receiver passes a Wednesday physical examination, Washington is intent on trading away its No. 2 wideout as well. And franchises interested in Gardner seem willing to match the asking price, a middle-round draft choice, if they can agree to a contract extension with the former first-rounder.

We are looking for a MIDDLE Round draft pick, for OUR former first rounder.

NOT a MIDDLE FIRST ROUNDER

Sorry for bursting our bubble, but with a bidding war, maybe an early third.

[smoak]

well i never though burress was much better than rod, but that doesn't mean i think that much of rod. i never understood why some many people here wanted plaxico?

i'd also be happy with anything above a third for rod. we'll see i guuess.

[Spence]

Sorry for bursting our bubble, but with a bidding war, maybe an early third.That's the absolute most the Skins could expect.

[danny's stogie]

Obviously, the more teams are interested in Gardner the better. A bidding war is the only chance the Skins have of receiving decent value for Gardner. And I happen to agree with those who prefer Gardner over Burress. Gardner is steadier and his contract demands will be far more reasonable. Burress is a classic "potential" guy. I'm pleased that the league has thus far shown some restraint with regard to Burress. I still think, however, that some team will drastically overpay for his services. I'm just glad it won't be the Redskins.

Personally, I'd take Hines Ward playing on one leg over Plexiglass Burress. Ward is more durable, a far better blocker, has better hands, is more consistent, a far superior route-runner, and understand the team concept much better than Burress. The Steelers, who have a long history of making good decisions in free agency, decided to keep Ward and lose Burress. That should tell you a lot right there.

Great post...I totally agree. I think that people are blinded by Burress's physical ability and refuse to see anything else. In regards to Gardner, well the grass is always greener on the other side.

Ward is the best blocking WR in the league...I'm sure Gibbs would give up just about anyone on the roster to have him.

[chrisbcbu]

If they get into a bidding war, maybe we can pull out a 2nd rounder!! i doubt it but if Galloway is worth 2 firsts than Garder can get a 2nd!

[ConradCountry]

I think with a bidding war we might net ourselves a 2nd rd pick at best and I mean at best we are looking at Minnesota or Seattle's 2nd or Cleveland's 3rd.

[Spence]

if Galloway is worth 2 firsts than Garder can get a 2nd!Galloway was only worth two first round picks to an idiot like Jerry Jones. Since Parcells would prevent Jones from trading a 2nd round pick for Gardner and Wes Unseld is unlikely to be hired by some team as their new General Manager...

[whitskins]

Did the Redskins break into all these teams' film rooms and take baseball bats to their VCRs?? Apparently they haven't watched good ol' Rod play that much. Fine by me, gimmie a draft pick pronto.

[BurgundyNGold]

Galloway was only worth two first round picks to an idiot like Jerry Jones. Since Parcells would prevent Jones from trading a 2nd round pick for Gardner and Wes Unseld is unlikely to be hired by some team as their new General Manager...
:lol1:
Gotta love the Unseld pull...

[BurgundyNGold]

Conspicuously absent from these discussions is Tampa Bay. Weren't they supposed to be the top suitor since they supposedly have such a high opinion of Rod?

[SkinsKY]

That's the absolute most the Skins could expect.

I would take that trade in a second, walking away and laughing maniacally.

[BIGSEF3]

this is not surprising at all. rod gardner is NOT a bad receiver. he is inconsistant, yes, but look at the constant turnover with our team the entire time he's been here, and you will have your explaination to why he will have one amazing game where youre like, "this is why we drafted this guy," and then the very next week he cant catch a 5 yard toss.

honestly, if you look at the stats for santana moss and rod gardner, they are really quite similar. i dont know how many passes moss dropped, but also look at consistancy the jets have had vs. what the skins have had.

sure, our FO and fans have decided to hate the guy, but if i were a team looking for a WR who wouldnt break the bank, i'd nab gardner in a heartbeat. if he goes to a team with a solid quarterback and established coaching staff, i would gamble that he could be one of the NFL's top receivers this year.

[BurgundyNGold]

i would gamble that he could be one of the NFL's top receivers this year.
:lol1:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! You crack me up BIGSEF!

[IowaSkinsFan]

LINK (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=2007815)


What do you think about this?

Sorry it took me so long to reply, I just got done laughing uncontrollably for the last 10 minutes.

[BIGSEF3]

how bout this... once we know what team he goes to, i will estimate the # of yards he gets this year. then we can make a friendly little wager...

[kelly]

> http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=2007815

[smoak]

I wouldn't go as far as BIGSEF3 did, but I agree that Gardner is much better than Skins fans opinion. He could have a 75catch 1,000+ yard season with 5-10 TDs next year. The problem is I hate drops and I'm glad he is leaving.

[Patrick]

I think that this story is getting way overblown. IF RG gets us a 3 rounder I'll be surprised.

[lavarsamonster]

i wouldnt mind having rod gardner as our third receiver, hes got a big body and good speed, i think that we can get someone just as good with the pick we get for him but he does have big play ability, and could be a consistent 1000 yd receiver

that is if u put stick em to his hands or he gets some custom catching gloves, have u felt the grip on these new gloves that they wear its remarkable, pretty soon you will see them advertising "nike's catch anything gloves" ... in association with elmers glue

[chrisbcbu]

Already posted.

[BurgundyNGold]

I'm not saying the guy doesn't have talent or the "P" word (potential). He was excellent size and pretty good speed. The problem is his consistency. You can't depend on him when the chips are down. Is that the kind of guy you want on your team?

After only so many dropped passes that have killed drives, any sane person would be saying "Get this guy out of my sight before I strangle him!" Sure, he might get pretty good numbers with some other team, but that coach and their fans will see a 5-10 point rise in thier diastolic blood pressure by November.

[IowaSkinsFan]

I wouldn't go as far as BIGSEF3 did, but I agree that Gardner is much better than Skins fans opinion. He could have a 75catch 1,000+ yard season with 5-10 TDs next year. The problem is I hate drops and I'm glad he is leaving.

He's not a home run hitter and can be taken out with single coverage. Does not demand double coverage, cannot stretch a defense, does not gain separation coming out of the breaks, and has very inconsistent hands.

Other than that, he's a prototypical WR.

[smoak]

I'm not saying the guy doesn't have talent or the "P" word (potential). He was excellent size and pretty good speed. The problem is his consistency. You can't depend on him when the chips are down. Is that the kind of guy you want on your team?

After only so many dropped passes that have killed drives, any sane person would be saying "Get this guy out of my sight before I strangle him!" Sure, he might get pretty good numbers with some other team, but that coach and their fans will see a 5-10 point rise in thier diastolic blood pressure by November.

No I definitely do not want him or the blood pressure increase. I just think many Skins fans assume any player leaving is garbage (Gardner, Pierce, etc) and that anyone coming in is awesome. I just think he is good and has some unrealized potential but I certainly don't want him around. He doesn't strike me as a winner or a hungry player that wants to earn everything he gets. The drops are bad... real bad, but other WRs drop more.

[IowaSkinsFan]

Threads merged.

[BIGSEF3]

consistancy is the key. moss and patten are smaller, less talented receivers than gardner, but they are more consistant.

they wont drop the passes garder did. but they also wont amaze us with some of the acrobatics gardner was known for on his good days.

i will take patten over gardner, any day of the week. i just dont think its right to the degree the fans dog gardner. if he goes to minnesota, i expect him to get bw/ 1000 and 1200yards.

[smoak]

He's not a home run hitter and can be taken out with single coverage. Does not demand double coverage, cannot stretch a defense, does not gain separation coming out of the breaks, and has very inconsistent hands.

Other than that, he's a prototypical WR.

I agree that he isn't a number one, but he could be a nice #2 type guy catching 5 passes a game (or so) with a team like the Vikings that have other receiving threats. I'm not calling him Jerry Rice just pointing out that he has experienced some minor success in the NFL and is not garbage.

[IowaSkinsFan]

but they also wont amaze us with some of the acrobatics gardner was known for on his good days.


What exactly are you referring to there. Gardner is less than graceful. He does not possess the body control that the top WR's in the league do.

Moss returns punts. He is much more elusive than Gardner ever thought of being.

[smoak]

i just dont think its right to the degree the fans dog gardner. if he goes to minnesota, i expect him to get bw/ 1000 and 1200yards.

Part of it is that Gardner drops 10 yard curl type passes that we could could catch. His drops are the second most maddening in the NFL behind Robinson.

[BIGSEF3]

What exactly are you referring to there. Gardner is less than graceful. He does not possess the body control that the top WR's in the league do.



remember the 1st cowboys game and the 1st? eagles game. espn highlighted him in both games. he made a catch in the eagles game that was about the most amazing catch i have ever seen a redskin make.

if he played like that every game, we wouldnt be trading him and he'd probably be our #1 receiver. i would expect great things from him in minnesota. probably not quite so good in tampa or baltimore. if he goes to either of those teams, i imagine his performance wont improve much.

[dj_stouty]

remember the 1st cowboys game and the 1st?

Remember the very first first snap of the 2004 season?

A WR screen pass that Brunell put right into Gardner's numbers, and he DROPPED it...

That was the icing on the cake for me...

[BIGSEF3]

Remember the very first first snap of the 2004 season?

A WR screen pass that Brunell put right into Gardner's numbers, and he DROPPED it...

That was the icing on the cake for me...

i dont have the numbers, but coles dropped quite a few of those screens, too. so did all our receivers. it didnt seem to matter who was in there, its like a simple screen was the hardest thing for our receivers to do. probably b/c they hadnt been thrown a screen in the past 2 years, under spurrier. remember those days...

1st down. 20 yard bomb - incomplete
2nd down. 20 yard bomb - incomplete
3rd down. running play. 4 yards.
4th down. punt.

our offense, including gardner, definately improved as the season went on and ramsey took over.

[Seebs]

he made a catch in the eagles game that was about the most amazing catch i have ever seen a redskin make.

Comparable to a Gary Clark One-hand diving catch?

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

Comparable to a Gary Clark One-hand diving catch?
Agree. I remember at least 30 receptions between Clark, Monk and Sanders, 20 by Charley Taylor, and a lot more better than those of Rod Gardner.

[Spence]

consistancy is the key. moss and patten are smaller, less talented receivers than gardner, but they are more consistant.
No way is Gardner more talented than Moss. I don't think he's more talented than Patten either.

[dj_stouty]

i dont have the numbers, but coles dropped quite a few of those screens, too. so did all our receivers. it didnt seem to matter who was in there, its like a simple screen was the hardest thing for our receivers to do. probably b/c they hadnt been thrown a screen in the past 2 years, under spurrier. remember those days...


We aren't talking about Coles...We are talking about Gardner, who had the most drops of the entire team with about 13.

And...the receivers have no excuse to drop screens, because Spurrier DID, in fact, use lots of screens in his two years with the Skins.

[RedskinsVision]

at first i would've been happy with a 5th rounder so anything above that and i'd be ecstatic.

we got rid of the virus in Coles so now we rid ourselves of the illness of Rod. good riddance to these 2.. they make Connell and Westbrook look like angels in the backfield.

[Jimreaper007]

No way is Gardner more talented than Moss. I don't think he's more talented than Patten either.


Moss displayed more talent in his fake mooning than Gardner has displayed in his entire stint as a Redskin.

[IowaSkinsFan]

i dont have the numbers.

Then you don't have a case, it's just supposition.


1st down. 20 yard bomb - incomplete
2nd down. 20 yard bomb - incomplete.

20 yard bomb? That's an oxymoron.


our offense, including gardner, definately improved as the season went on and ramsey took over.

That goes without saying. Everyone would expect WR's to play better as the play of the QB position improved.

[The Skinsinator]

I can't believe Lenny P actually wrote a somewhat positive article directly related to our beloved 'Skins. I figured it would totally undermine Garnder's questionable abilities and hurt his already shaky status. I'm anticipating a 3rd round pick and would be elated with a 2nd.

[smoak]

I can't believe Lenny P actually wrote a somewhat positive article directly related to our beloved 'Skins. I figured it would totally undermine Garnder's questionable abilities and hurt his already shaky status. I'm anticipating a 3rd round pick and would be elated with a 2nd.

He is setting us up for the followup:

"Stupid Redskins Get Hosed in Gardner Deal"

[GolfFreak]

I think the Skins are just happy there was interest from other teams, I think they'd gladly take a 2nd rounder for him, but a 3rd will do too.

[Skinsfan1906]

Not that surprised. I know I'm in the minority around here, but (as I've said many times) I honestly don't think that Gardner is as bad as many of you guys think. Inconsistent? Yeah, at times. Dropped balls.....yeah, sometimes. What WR isn't inconsistent or has a case of the 'dropsies' from time to time. Coles dropped a boatload of passes last year, but no one goes around calling him 50/50. I think that Gardner is a decent #2 WR. Just average. Not horrible, but not great either. Servicable. Big and Strong. Not blazing speed, but has a tendency to put together strong performances every now and then. I think that he's worth at least a 3rd rounder (given the fact that he was a 1st rounder and a starting #2 WR). Anything lower than that would be an insult IMO.

[Jimreaper007]

They would have taken a happy meal and a Sunday Post for him.

[BurgundyNGold]

We aren't talking about Coles...We are talking about Gardner, who had the most drops of the entire team with about 13.

And...the receivers have no excuse to drop screens, because Spurrier DID, in fact, use lots of screens in his two years with the Skins.
I know you were counting the drops this year too, DJ, so I know those numbers are accurate - perhaps even generous. I would've been far less forgiving on the drops so the number would've been higher than 13.

[BurgundyNGold]

20 yard bomb? That's an oxymoron.
Not last year it wasn't!

[redwolf1218]

WE MAY, in the long run, get more value for Rod Gardner than we do for Coles. how ironic would that be. or moronic.

[Jimreaper007]

That is pretty bizarro

[smoak]

WE MAY, in the long run, get more value for Rod Gardner than we do for Coles. how ironic would that be. or moronic.

or if we take roscoe parrish with our pick, the trades could come out looking eerily similar.

[Santheb]

Burress is arguably regarded as a more explosive playmaker but some teams feel Gardner is a steadier player, even with some stretches of inconsistency in 2004, who will seek a far more palatable contract.

Has he even watched Gardner's career as a Redskin?

[COUNCILMAN]

Maybe a read this wrong:

Despite the pending swap of Laveranues Coles to the New York Jets, which will become official when the wide receiver passes a Wednesday physical examination, Washington is intent on trading away its No. 2 wideout as well. And franchises interested in Gardner seem willing to match the asking price, a middle-round draft choice, if they can agree to a contract extension with the former first-rounder.

We are looking for a MIDDLE Round draft pick, for OUR former first rounder.

NOT a MIDDLE FIRST ROUNDER

Sorry for bursting our bubble, but with a bidding war, maybe an early third.




I believe we are going to get a 2nd round pick for Gardner OR we get a 3rd and something else. It doesn't take this long to pull the trigger on a simple 3rd round draft pick for Rod deal. Some bidding and netiotiating is going on!

Anything less than a 2nd and the Redskins should keep their 50 reception receiver until draft day. THATS when higher picks will start coming.

[CNYSkinFan]

Has he even watched Gardner's career as a Redskin?

Len is trying to set up the "Skins got too little for Gardner" article later on. We will probably get a third rounder for him but we will see.

[Sweepea436]

a high thrid or low second seems more likely then a first

I'd say there's a .........(ready?) 50/50 chance.......I'm sorry...you hate me now dont you? :banghead: I'm stupid, stupid, stupid........:-)

[BurgundyNGold]

I'd say there's a .........(ready?) 50/50 chance.......I'm sorry...you hate me now dont you? :banghead: I'm stupid, stupid, stupid........:-)
Sooner or later, a trade will be made and Rod will have to "catch" on somewhere else. (Oooooooo, that was awful!)

[redskins.uk]

Gardner a wanted commodity. Is it christmas again. By the way a 2nd or 3rd rounder would do nicely for Gardner and hopefully fit into Gibbs plans for the draft.

[CarMike]

I'm jumping in the debate a little late, but oh well.

The thing that drove me crazy about Gardner is he'd drop the easy ones. Which would get me fuming. Then a couple of plays later he'd make a catch that you'd think was uncatchable.

Inconsistant.

[silverspring]

As many people in the pass have pointed out gardner drops a lot of the easy ones, the ones you expect him to catch. But he hauls in a lot of the near impossible ones and that makes a good highlight reel. If we are going to get rid of him a good pick would really help us out.

[bgforever]

Sooner or later, a trade will be made and Rod will have to "catch" on somewhere else. (Oooooooo, that was awful!)


:lol1:
I had to respond to this. That's my one liner of the day! Thanks!

[IMALILTEAPOT]

why would seattle wnat gardner? hes gonna add to the problem there. but i think rod has potential if he can catch the easy ones

[akhhorus]

The Rod Gardner Song...sung to the tune of Pink Floyd's "Keep Talking":

Keep Dropping

For dozens of years wideouts caught the ball thrown to them
Then something happened which unleashed the power of the drop..
The Skins drafted Rod...

There's a silence surrounding me
I can't seem to think straight
I'LL sit on the bench
No quarterback can bother me
I think I should catch now
My hands won't come out right
I feel like I'm dropping...
I'm feeling sad now
But I can't show my weakness
I sometimes wonder
What route are we running now?

It doesn't have to be like this
All we need to do is make sure you catch..the ball

Why won't you catch the ball
You never catch it
What are you thinking
What are you doing?
Why won't you catch the ball?
You never catch it
What are you thinking
Where is Taylor Jacobs...

It doesn't have to be like this
All we need to do is make sure read...the playbook

Why won't you catch the ball
You never run the right way
What are you thinking
What are you feeling
Why won't you catch the ball
You never catch the ball
What are you thinking
What are you feeling

I feel like I'm dropping
You know I can't make my bonus
My career is going nowhere
My career is going nowhere

[BIGSEF3]

very nice. as an encore, could you do a champ bailey, coles, pierce, and smoot song to the tune of "money"?

[akhhorus]

very nice. as an encore, could you do a champ bailey, coles, pierce, and smoot song to the tune of "money"?

Sure.

[sdredskinsfan]

i would run up and down the halls screaming if we got a mid first round pick for him.

I think you misread. Quote: And franchises interested in Gardner seem willing to match the asking price, a middle-round draft choice, if they can agree to a contract extension with the former first-rounder.

[BurgundyNGold]

The Rod Gardner Song...sung to the tune of Pink Floyd's "Keep Talking":

Keep Dropping

For dozens of years wideouts caught the ball thrown to them
Then something happened which unleashed the power of the drop..
The Skins drafted Rod...

There's a silence surrounding me
I can't seem to think straight
I'LL sit on the bench
No quarterback can bother me
I think I should catch now
My hands won't come out right
I feel like I'm dropping...
I'm feeling sad now
But I can't show my weakness
I sometimes wonder
What route are we running now?

It doesn't have to be like this
All we need to do is make sure you catch..the ball

Why won't you catch the ball
You never catch it
What are you thinking
What are you doing?
Why won't you catch the ball?
You never catch it
What are you thinking
Where is Taylor Jacobs...

It doesn't have to be like this
All we need to do is make sure read...the playbook

Why won't you catch the ball
You never run the right way
What are you thinking
What are you feeling
Why won't you catch the ball
You never catch the ball
What are you thinking
What are you feeling

I feel like I'm dropping
You know I can't make my bonus
My career is going nowhere
My career is going nowhere
Wow, you're really getting good at this! And Pink Floyd?! Nice pull. But did it have to be off of the Division Bell? I would think that "Pigs" off of "Animals" would be just screaming for a Gardner parody ;).

[akhhorus]

Wow, you're really getting good at this! And Pink Floyd?! Nice pull. But did it have to be off of the Division Bell? I would think that "Pigs" off of "Animals" would be just screaming for a Gardner parody ;).

I know Division Bell is the bastard son of Pink Floyd...but its a damn good album. One of Their best.

[IMALILTEAPOT]

i wish i knew that song to know how it went

[BurgundyNGold]

I know Division Bell is the bastard son of Pink Floyd...but its a damn good album. One of Their best.
Roger Waters or no Roger Waters, David Gilmore is a guitar god among men. Plus, you gotta love the Speak-N-Spell, Stephen Hawking chorus.

[PA Skins Girl]

Jets fans want to give up a third for Gardner...

http://www.nyjetsfan.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=8431

[portis2endzone]

can we just give gardner to vikes so they dont pick williams and all will be good.

[colkurtz]

Gardner was a decent #2 WR, who was inconsistent. He peaked in 2002 and has not been improving. He has trade value now and I'll be esctatic if we can get a high third for him.

I hope he's gone by the end of the week so we can start talking about the FUTURE and who we'll draft.

[PA Skins Girl]

Gardner was a decent #2 WR, who was inconsistent. He peaked in 2002 and has not been improving. He has trade value now and I'll be esctatic if we can get a high third for him.

I hope he's gone by the end of the week so we can start talking about the FUTURE and who we'll draft.
It would be great if Cleveland gave us their third rounder (#67 overall).
Maybe would could get someone like this:

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/playerprofiles/te/joeldreessen.html
or this:
http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/playerprofiles/wr/courtneyroby.html

[GoDannyBoy]

I agree Joel Dreessen looks like a good player, but not for a third round pick. Seems like a hard working lunch pail kinda guy.

[OCSkinzFan]

It would be great if Cleveland gave us their third rounder (#67 overall).
Maybe would could get someone like this:

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/playerprofiles/te/joeldreessen.html
or this:
http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/playerprofiles/wr/courtneyroby.html

Dreessen sounds like a watered down virsion of Coolie

[BurgundyNGold]

I agree Joel Dreessen looks like a good player, but not for a third round pick. Seems like a hard working lunch pail kinda guy.
And what's wrong with that? You prefer the well manicured, sushi and goat cheese eatin' crowd we've had arond here the last few years? I think it would be refreshing to get a Tedy Bruschi, "Lunch Pail" kinda guy around here.

[OCSkinzFan]

Gardner was a decent #2 WR, who was inconsistent. He peaked in 2002 and has not been improving. He has trade value now and I'll be esctatic if we can get a high third for him.

Totally agree!

It’s not like Gardner is the anti-Christ or something (his #is not 666). :devil2:
He worked hard, didn’t bad mouth or pout (like Coles)
He made some circus catches (yes, he did- forget them if it makes you feel better but it’s true!) but dropped a bit more than he should have (okay I’ll admit this may be an understatement).
My guess is he’ll go somewhere else, get his head straight, catch a few balls and have a nice career.

[Jimreaper007]

Jets fans want to give up a third for Gardner...

http://www.nyjetsfan.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=8431


Do it quick before they change their minds or watch a tape!

:D

[OCSkinzFan]

And what's wrong with that?

How is this guy better than Cooley?
Best case is he's very similar but with fewer college catches though.
Do we need sibling H backs?

[OCSkinzFan]

Do it quick before they change their minds or watch a tape!

:D

Yea! Maybe they'll take Coles back too.
HAHAhaha. (Feindish Laugh)

[PA Skins Girl]

Dreessen sounds like a watered down virsion of Coolie
Cooley needs a backup. I dont think Kozlowski is coming back. Anyway, he's projected to go in the third and he looked like a hard working guy that would fit in. Not saying they will necessarily draft another H-back.

[BurgundyNGold]

How is this guy better than Cooley?
Best case is he's very similar but with fewer college catches though.
Do we need sibling H backs?
If the guy can run, block and -- here's it comes -- actually catch the ball, why wouldn't we want him here? Our TEs and HBs, aside from Cooley, are deficient in at least one of those areas.

[OCSkinzFan]

If the guy can run, block and -- here's it comes -- actually catch the ball, why wouldn't we want him here? Our TEs and HBs, aside from Cooley, are deficient in at least one of those areas.

Where does it say he can block?

It said, "eccellent receiving threat...has good hands and can make the difficult catch..." Usually this is code for “struggles to block big DE’s.

But I may be wrong, I just see us having more of a need for Don Warren type blocking (but can catch it if it sticks in the face mask) type TE.