Vikings finalize deal with Smoot ~ ~ ~

[kelly]

Vikings finalize deal with Smoot
Last Update: 3/8/2005 6:07:21 PM

KFAN dot com

The Vikings and free-agent cornerback Fred Smoot agreed Tuesday to a six-year deal, the FAN has learned.Terms were not disclosed, but the deal is believed to be close to the six-year, $35 million contract the Vikings' other top cornerback, Antoine Winfield, signed last March.

Smoot, a former second-round pick who played his first four seasons in Washington, rejected a contract offer from the Redskins last week that included a $10 million bonus.Smoot skipped his planned flight to Kansas City on Tuesday afternoon while his agent, James Cook, ironed out details with Vikings officials at Winter Park.Smoot, considered one of the NFL's premier cover cornerbacks, has 182 tackles and 16 interceptions in 60 career games. He battled shoulder and back problems in 2004, but played in 15 games -- missing only the Redskins' victorious season finale against the Vikings.

The 25-year-old Mississippi State product also has had chest and knee injuries, playing in all 16 games just once in his four-year career.Smott will start opposite Winfield in Minnesota, replacing restricted free agent Brian Williams.

> http://vikings.kfan.com/sports/nflguide/local/story.aspx?content_id=EA97F48B-441C-4E20-A28C-A68C38C46128

[Pet-E-Bone]

i think im gonna throw-up...

[BurgundyNGold]

Any info on the SB? I wonder if Smoot actually gave the Redskins a chance to match the offer.

[kelly]

i think im gonna throw-up...

ME TOO :banghead:

i was hopin' the jets would sign him :banghead:

[whitskins]

Beer me... I'm depressed, but we'll survive. We have G-Will at coordinator.

[danny's stogie]

Congrats....you've spent all day trying to find a credible source on the Smoot signing and you finally have one. Good work.

[BIGSEF3]

is this actually confirmed yet? this appears to be the exact same info that was debunked as a rumor a couple of hours ago. maybe this article used the same bad info. i'm not beleiving it until its on espn, fox sports, cbs sportsline, or a verifiable washington paper.

[WinnpegSkinsFan]

Beer me... I'm depressed, but we'll survive. We have G-Will at coordinator.

There go two of our core Resskins. Thanks LC, I hope you choke on your cash.

Oh well. Hello Pac-Man!!!!

[Santheb]

Have fun playing Roy Williams/Charles Rogers, Mike Williams/Braylon Edwards, and Javon Walker twice every year Smoot. They're all bigger than 6 foot. We saw what happened when you tried to cover Keyshawn. It didn't work because he's huge and you're a 175 lb DB.

[warpaint]

i think this is all bogus , i saw something last week just like this,said pierce was going to dallas

[3644Skins]

Rich Eisen on NFL Total Access said the SB was 10 million. Contract for 6 years, 30 million. Ouch... I hope it was for 12 b/c if I recall correctly we offered him a 10 million SB. :banghead:

[Redskinfan28]

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/3449186

10.8 SB.

[2Cooley]

is this actually confirmed yet? this appears to be the exact same info that was debunked as a rumor a couple of hours ago. maybe this article used the same bad info. i'm not beleiving it until its on espn, fox sports, cbs sportsline, or a verifiable washington paper.


Heard it on NFL total acess and SHOULD BE A PRETTY GOOD SOURCE (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/3449186)

[Santheb]

Sigh, wouldn't sign with us because of 800,000. Oh well.

[rskinsfan10]

ME TOO :banghead:

i was hopin' the jets would sign him :banghead:

http://hailredskins.com/vbforum/showpost.php?p=411044&postcount=1

[JoeDaSchmoe]

10.8 million? Are you kidding me?

That's more than just depressing. That pisses me off.

[BurgundyNGold]

Rich Eisen on NFL Total Access said the SB was 10 million. Contract for 6 years, 30 million. Ouch... I hope it was for 12 b/c if I recall correctly we offered him a 10 million SB. :banghead:
If it was for $10M then I hope that Smoot and his colossal ego fall into the Grand Canyon. I bet his ego alone could fill the gorge. That would just show that he would rather leave $500K on the table then have to come back here and have to see the "I told you so" eyes.

Bigger problem for the Vikes is how to get Smoot and his immense self image to actually FIT in the Metrodome on gameday.

[redskin_rich]

There must have been a big difference in the base salary they gave him from what we offered.
Bye Smoot, I always liked you, please don't run your mouth.

[nicefellow31]

i think this is all bogus , i saw something last week just like this,said pierce was going to dallas
Unfortunately they just reported it on Comcast Sports Net.

[Skins57]

Didn't he say he would stay if we were with in a million..... see ya Smoot

[3644Skins]

So what's the overall feeling from everybody? Draft a CB or let Walt take over for Smoot and put Wilds or Jimoh as the nickel back?? What yall think?

[BurgundyNGold]

Just saw the article on FOX sports. What did I say? Smoot would leave us for less than $1M in SB, just because his ego wouldn't let him accept a fair $10.5M offer.

The Vikes gave him $1M for each yard of cushion he'll be giving opposing WRs.

[whitskins]

I'll miss the personality as I was a big fan of his, but Williams will have this hold filled.

I'm just hoping we still use the first rounder on offense and don't panic by getting one of the CBs. Let's draft a CB in the middle rounds and groom him.

[skinswin]

Greg Williams is really high on Wilde. So Wilde could have an opportunity to get Smoot's position.

[BurgundyNGold]

So what's the overall feeling from everybody? Draft a CB or let Walt take over for Smoot and put Wilds or Jimoh as the nickel back?? What yall think?
Stop entertaining that notion. There is no reason to think either of them could be a viable nickel CB or -- gulp -- a #2 if Harris goes down. Look to the draft or June 1 cuts for our nickel CB.

[BIGSEF3]

There must have been a big difference in the base salary they gave him from what we offered.
Bye Smoot, I always liked you, please don't run your mouth.

there must have been a HUGE difference. smoot would have stayed here if the only difference was the signing bonus.

i mean, if thats the only difference, then smoot is going to spend the $800,000 difference when u-haul gives him the bill for hauling his overinflated ego all the way to minnesota.

[BurgundyNGold]

Greg Williams is really high on Wilde. So Wilde could have an opportunity to get Smoot's position.
Where did you hear that? Are you two bowling buddies or something? He said Wilde played well in one game. If he is so high on him, why wasn't the guy on the active roster for the first 12 games of last season? Look, the dude will be on the roster and will probably play dime, but we need another CB to play #2 or nickel.

[whitskins]

Stop entertaining that notion. There is no reason to think either of them could be a viable nickel CB or -- gulp -- a #2 if Harris goes down. Look to the draft or June 1 cuts for our nickel CB.

Gregg Williams has been entertaining that very notion since last season.

[ihatedallas]

http://hailredskins.com/vbforum/showpost.php?p=411044&postcount=1



***burn***

[whistleandthumb]

Well, this sucks.

As far as a replacement goes, if GW is down with Walt or Wildes, then I'm cool with them. There is the possibility that someone could be available after the June 1 cuts, but I don't think anyone we got then would be much better than what we have now.

If we must get someone else, I think we will offer up the #9 pick to draft down a few slots, and then draft a CB. This could also land us another mid-round pick.

[Santheb]

Guess nobody liked my comment about the above 6 foot receivers :lol1: I thought it was funny :P

[whitskins]

Where did you hear that? Are you two bowling buddies or something? He said Wilde played well in one game. If he is so high on him, why wasn't the guy on the active roster for the first 12 games of last season? Look, the dude will be on the roster and will probably play dime, but we need another CB to play #2 or nickel.

Actually most of Williams' praise last season was for Harris, saying he believes he'll have a great season next year and will be capable of starting, etc.

[BurgundyNGold]

***burn***
:lol1:

[BurgundyNGold]

Guess nobody liked my comment about the above 6 foot receivers :lol1: I thought it was funny :P
I liked it. I thought my $1M for each yard in cushion that Smooty gives opposing WRs was pure gold though. And, yet.... [crickets]

[danny's stogie]

you guys all need to stop with the sour grapes and ragging on smoot. The guy played his heart out for the Skins and was a great player. He makes his living playing football and he has every right to bolt town for the best deal...who here would turn down 800k because of loyalty to a company? Everyone here wanted Smoot back and we said he is great player but then we turn on him just like that, make fun of his ego, the same ego that we all considered moxie when he was in burgandy and gold, and also say "well he wasn't that good to begin with". I'm going to miss him because he was the heart of the Skin's amazing defense. Now we should all say goodbye and wish him the best.

[whitskins]

Guess nobody liked my comment about the above 6 foot receivers :lol1: I thought it was funny :P

I'm just a little bummed right now. The Coles article and this news has ruined my day. It was a nice comment though, I'll throw you a :lol1: sometime next week, cool?

[The Skinsinator]

Sigh, wouldn't sign with us because of 800,000. Oh well.

Yeah, really makes you wonder, doesn't it? Man, it is hard to believe that we wouldn't have offered him 10.8sb, or if we could have. Hell, who know anymore? I've given up on the offseason. God, this is a greedy sport. This justifies the rising popularity of college football over NFL. Have a great life Fred.

[Santheb]

I'm just a little bummed right now. The Coles article and this news has ruined my day. It was a nice comment though, I'll throw you a :lol1: sometime next week, cool?

Sure :P

[WinnpegSkinsFan]

there must have been a HUGE difference. smoot would have stayed here if the only difference was the signing bonus.

i mean, if thats the only difference, then smoot is going to spend the $800,000 difference when u-haul gives him the bill for hauling his overinflated ego all the way to minnesota.

Yep, must be an increase in base salary over the Skins offer. If you believed him he wouldn't leave for the minor difference in signing bonus. With he and Winfield covering big WRs there could be a lot of jump balls in the Vikes secondary this year.
With this signing I think the Vikes for Mike Williams sweepstakes may be on and our focus in the draft now has to be defence.

[rskinsfan10]

you guys all need to stop with the sour grapes and ragging on smoot. The guy played his heart out for the Skins and was a great player. He makes his living playing football and he has every right to bolt town for the best deal...who here would turn down 800k because of loyalty to a company? Everyone here wanted Smoot back and we said he is great player but then we turn on him just like that, make fun of his ego, the same ego that we all considered moxie when he was in burgandy and gold, and also say "well he wasn't that good to begin with". I'm going to miss him because he was the heart of the Skin's amazing defense. Now we should all say goodbye and wish him the best.
I'm not turning on him, but if the numbers are correct, then he left us for $200k, not $800. I would think that $200k isn't enough to spurn the franchise that stopped you from the freefall that was occuring for you the day that you got drafted.

[camasterton]

Well, one thought is we'll probably double our # of Draft Picks when the NFL hands out the compenatory(sp?) picks to teams who have a net loss in the FA period. Losing two starters ( so far), one a former 2nd rounder should finally get us some picks, although they have screwed us before, I believe.

[nicefellow31]

you guys all need to stop with the sour grapes and ragging on smoot. The guy played his heart out for the Skins and was a great player. He makes his living playing football and he has every right to bolt town for the best deal...who here would turn down 800k because of loyalty to a company? Everyone here wanted Smoot back and we said he is great player but then we turn on him just like that, make fun of his ego, the same ego that we all considered moxie when he was in burgandy and gold, and also say "well he wasn't that good to begin with". I'm going to miss him because he was the heart of the Skin's amazing defense. Now we should all say goodbye and wish him the best.

Good points. I guess it is true what Jerry Seinfeld said, "That we are actually fans of the uniform." We had a chance to sign him and we didn't so that is that. We'll find a replacement and play on.

[Santheb]

I'm not turning on him, but if the numbers are correct, then he left us for $200k, not $800. I would think that $200k isn't enough to spurn the franchise that stopped you from the freefall that was occuring for you the day that you got drafted.

Ah, I thought we offered a 10 mil flat to him, and the Vikes offered 10.8. Thats where I got 800 grand from.

[3644Skins]

Stop entertaining that notion. There is no reason to think either of them could be a viable nickel CB or -- gulp -- a #2 if Harris goes down. Look to the draft or June 1 cuts for our nickel CB.

So tell me what notion should we entertain?? GW said from his mouth that he was impressed with Wilds throughout the year. Obviously we don't have much cap space to work with, obviously we need continuity, obviously more turnover adds to more work, more problems. So again I ask, what notion do you want to entertain again???

[redskin_rich]

Well, one thought is we'll probably double our # of Draft Picks when the NFL hands out the compenatory(sp?) picks to teams who have a net loss in the FA period. Losing two starters ( so far), one a former 2nd rounder should finally get us some picks, although they have screwed us before, I believe.
Smoot and Pierce were both UFA's, I'm pretty sure we get no compensation for them.

[bfauble83]

I'm definately going to miss him, he has been one of my favorite players the past few seasons. That said, we will get along without him and the defense will be just as good if not better next year. I think the VIkings will find that Smoot is overrated and has been lucky to be involved in great defenses and defensive coordinators the past few years.

[BurgundyNGold]

Well, one thought is we'll probably double our # of Draft Picks when the NFL hands out the compenatory(sp?) picks to teams who have a net loss in the FA period. Losing two starters ( so far), one a former 2nd rounder should finally get us some picks, although they have screwed us before, I believe.
You know, I can almost taste the sweet nectar of that additional 7th round pick right now. Not! :D

[whistleandthumb]

you guys all need to stop with the sour grapes and ragging on smoot. The guy played his heart out for the Skins and was a great player. He makes his living playing football and he has every right to bolt town for the best deal...who here would turn down 800k because of loyalty to a company? Everyone here wanted Smoot back and we said he is great player but then we turn on him just like that, make fun of his ego, the same ego that we all considered moxie when he was in burgandy and gold, and also say "well he wasn't that good to begin with". I'm going to miss him because he was the heart of the Skin's amazing defense. Now we should all say goodbye and wish him the best.
Boy, I would MOST DEFINITELY stay with my former team. When you're making that much money, $800k isn't that much difference. And it is certainly not enough difference to push away the franchise that made you the player that you are. If it wasn't for GW's defense last year, Smoot probably would be getting about 5-10 million less than he is now.

I love Smoot, and as long as he doesn't run his mouth at us (read: Coles & Roland), I will continue to like him. But this stings for the moment.

[Redskinfan28]

I'm not turning on him, but if the numbers are correct, then he left us for $200k, not $800. I would think that $200k isn't enough to spurn the franchise that stopped you from the freefall that was occuring for you the day that you got drafted.

Especially when he said in an interview that if the Redskins were within a Million of any offer, he would return.

This one upsets me more than losing AP.

[GeneralDisorder]

Suppose it could've been worse - he could've been a Giant or Cowboy...

Shame - I liked Smoot. But if the $10m signing bonus rumour is true, then I back Gibbs & Co and their assessment to not up their offer and let him walk.

We may have lost three big major starters this off-season, but I just got the feeling we'll look back in a few years and be glad that the 2005 off-season was the year the Redskins got their team back...

[warpaint]

i say go with what we have now, maybe pick up someone that is cut june 1,
heck we didnt know pierce could play until he was giving a chance.
i wouldnt want ty law myself, but now any chance we would sign him if he accepted what we were offering smoot.?

[ArRiNgToN_56]

Where did you hear that? Are you two bowling buddies or something? He said Wilde played well in one game. If he is so high on him, why wasn't the guy on the active roster for the first 12 games of last season? Look, the dude will be on the roster and will probably play dime, but we need another CB to play #2 or nickel.

Nah, hes right during the Vikes game i remember specifically the Announcers talking about Gregg Williams wished he'd activated Wilds Sooner and such. So in conclusion yes i'd have to agree in the assesment that Williams like Wilds a good deal. I just hope hes found a gem.

[smoak]

Sigh, wouldn't sign with us because of 800,000. Oh well.


Actually we reportedly offered more than Springs 10.3 if I remember correctly so we're talking less than half a mil. Unless the contract is front loaded i think Smoot is a sell-out. I have not problem with him getting paid, but if the offers are the same (or that close) why no come home?

[BurgundyNGold]

Nah, hes right during the Vikes game i remember specifically the Announcers talking about Gregg Williams wished he'd activated Wilds Sooner and such. So in conclusion yes i'd have to agree in the assesment that Williams like Wilds a good deal. I just hope hes found a gem.
Well, then I guess I have to concede that point. It must be the dreads. Everybody loves the dreads. I gotta get me some of them.

[bfauble83]

Especially when he said in an interview that if the Redskins were within a Million of any offer, he would return.

This one upsets me more than losing AP.

Thats what hurts the most, the fact that he pretended like he wanted to be a Redskins for life. What a liar.

[smoak]

Especially when he said in an interview that if the Redskins were within a Million of any offer, he would return.

This one upsets me more than losing AP.

Couldn't agree more. Pierce simply got paid well (some would say overpaid) but Smoot is a putz. This was the worst way to top my lovely Indian dinner. ARGH!

[kelly]

http://hailredskins.com/vbforum/showpost.php?p=411044&postcount=1

ooops, as long as we could have signed him for less $$$ :rolleyes:

yup, i forgot to TYPE THAT :banghead:

[danny's stogie]

Boy, I would MOST DEFINITELY stay with my former team. When you're making that much money, $800k isn't that much difference. And it is certainly not enough difference to push away the franchise that made you the player that you are. If it wasn't for GW's defense last year, Smoot probably would be getting about 5-10 million less than he is now.

I love Smoot, and as long as he doesn't run his mouth at us (read: Coles & Roland), I will continue to like him. But this stings for the moment.

Man it does sting and I hate it...but 800k, 200k for that matter, is a huge difference for anyone who's name isn't Bill Gates.

Concerning GW defense: Smoot earned that contract. No one is going to pay someone that much money if they think if they think he's a product of a system. Smoot worked incredibly hard to become one of the better CBs in the league.

If I was playing for the Skins and I saw Danny throwing huge money at free agents I'd want to get paid too. I would give no hometown discount. The Skins need to learn to take care of their own before they start throwing big bucs around.

[nicefellow31]

Actually we reportedly offered more than Springs 10.3 if I remember correctly so we're talking less than half a mil. Unless the contract is front loaded i think Smoot is a sell-out. I have not problem with him getting paid, but if the offers are the same (or that close) why no come home?
There were some rumors that the Skins withdrew their offer after the Coles trade. I don't know if that is true or not.

[kelly]

***burn***
YUP :rolleyes:

[nicefellow31]

Thats what hurts the most, the fact that he pretended like he wanted to be a Redskins for life. What a liar.

No such thing as a Redskin (or any team) in the day and age of the salary cap.

[kelly]

:lol1:
OK NOW :cry:

" but, that's --------->" oooooooo taaaaaay "

[redwolf1218]

they always leave when they say they are going to stay. he can be replaced. if we draft a rookie corner, i'll be more excited to see him play anyway. i love Smoot's heart and personality, at least what i think i know of him, which of course i dont, but anyways, he's always hurt, too skinny and too slow. i want to see a new guy instead of the same old Smoot, even if it's Garnell Wilds or a rookie draft pick.

[dj_stouty]

Dont' freak out about the difference in the SB we offered Smoot and the one he took with the Vikings...

I'll bet the Vikings offered him much more salary in his first two years than the Skins did. (This is virtually how the Giants grabbed Pierce)

The Skins are notorious for paying close to league minimum for the first two years of a star's contract. (See Lavar and Portis last year...)

I'll bet the contract was front loaded so the Skins couldn't match it...

[kelly]

Congrats....you've spent all day trying to find a credible source on the Smoot signing and you finally have one. Good work.

thanx :rolleyes:

p.s. i'm suppose to be sleeping ;)
shhhhhhh ~ ~ ~

[rskinsfan10]

Dont' freak out about the difference in the SB we offered Smoot and the one he took with the Vikings...

I'll bet the Vikings offered him much more salary in his first two years than the Skins did. (This is virtually how the Giants grabbed Pierce)

The Skins are notorious for paying close to league minimum for the first two years of a star's contract. (See Lavar and Portis last year...)

I'll bet the contract was front loaded so the Skins couldn't match it...

Well, they definitely have the cap room to front load the deal.

[redwolf1218]

i'm not the least bit upset about losing Smoot, Pierce nor Coles. they werent the first to pass thru here and certainly wont be the last. i'm confident the team can find equal (and probably better) replacements for all three, and for less money.

[BurgundyNGold]

The Post is now reporting the signing (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A18156-2005Mar8.html).

[GolfFreak]

Yeah, this blows. Oh well, it would've been nice to put that $6 million "savings" from Coles to better use this year - Smoot / Pierce, instead we let a player run the franchise. Thanks Coles.

[rskinsfan10]

The Post is now reporting the signing (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A18156-2005Mar8.html).

I love Smoot, but he wasn't the top CB in FA as that AP report stated.

[dj_stouty]

Well...time to hit the draft room and rethink some things...

Do we try to replace Smoot with the 1st rounder, or do we promote from within?

[PennSkinsFan]

Excellent Kudos to the front office for holding their ground. moot inot worth a $10 mill bonus folks, he just isn't and that is precisely why interest has been lukewarm. I am glad they did not wrap big cap dollars into Smoot. This is great news

[War Hogg]

Can I say it.......

He must not have been a "Gibbs guy". LOL

Peace Out SMMMMMMMOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT!

[redwolf1218]

Well...time to hit the draft room and rethink some things...

Do we try to replace Smoot with the 1st rounder, or do we promote from within?
this is what i have been thinking about. i'm curious what the number one priority is now for the first draft pick.

[dj_stouty]

I just realized I have the unfortunate task of retiring another Skins jersey...

I should go get a Jansen jersey...

[hail2skins]

you guys all need to stop with the sour grapes and ragging on smoot. The guy played his heart out for the Skins and was a great player. He makes his living playing football and he has every right to bolt town for the best deal...who here would turn down 800k because of loyalty to a company? Everyone here wanted Smoot back and we said he is great player but then we turn on him just like that, make fun of his ego, the same ego that we all considered moxie when he was in burgandy and gold, and also say "well he wasn't that good to begin with". I'm going to miss him because he was the heart of the Skin's amazing defense. Now we should all say goodbye and wish him the best.

It depends on what you're looking for. Everyone isn't motivated by money and for you to think that there aren't people who would turn down more money, then you're wrong. As a matter of fact, one of our members stated they did it.

[Skinzaholic]

Excellent Kudos to the front office for holding their ground. moot inot worth a $10 mill bonus folks, he just isn't and that is precisely why interest has been lukewarm. I am glad they did not wrap big cap dollars into Smoot. This is great news

I agree Mark - that Smoot wasnt worth what he was asking... but somehow I just cant get excited about who we have left beyond SS. Maybe you (or anyone else) can help define the "great" part.

[smoak]

The deal he received and the variance to the Redskins offer is a Smoot point now.

(groans) sorry.

[The Skinsinator]

Well...time to hit the draft room and rethink some things...

Do we try to replace Smoot with the 1st rounder, or do we promote from within?

Promote from within. No question. Remember, Wilds played well against Moss and he is young. Harris will probably be the incumbent, hopefully followed by Wilds.

[whistleandthumb]

Concerning GW defense: Smoot earned that contract. No one is going to pay someone that much money if they think if they think he's a product of a system. Smoot worked incredibly hard to become one of the better CBs in the league.


Uh, two words, matey:


"Antonio" and "Pierce".

[dj_stouty]

Anyone want to guess the # of hours before Smoot runs his mouth off about the Skins?

I'll guess we will hear him bad-mouth the organization by daybreak...

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

sure he's replaceble, but im upset about this. i love smoot's character. im definitely going to miss him. i hope i dont hear any backlash from him.

$200,000? :banghead:

[smoak]

Uh, two words, matey:


"Antonio" and "Pierce".

Just because a couple HR members call Pierce a product of the system doesn't make it so.

[whistleandthumb]

The deal he received and the variance to the Redskins offer is a Smoot point now.

(groans) sorry.
Oh no, you di-en't.


Groan, indeed. :)

[smoak]

Anyone want to guess the # of hours before Smoot runs his mouth off about the Skins?

I'll guess we will hear him bad-mouth the organization by daybreak...

now that would really shock me. he seems a little to humble for that. his off field personality was very different to the on field one (IMO).

[smoak]

Oh no, you di-en't.


Groan, indeed. :)

Honestly, I am sorry, but I went to ESPN to vote for Moss over Coles and ESPN made the same stupid joke!??

• Smoot point: Vikes reach deal with free agent CB

[whistleandthumb]

Just because a couple HR members call Pierce a product of the system doesn't make it so.
You're exactly right...



Other than the fact that he IS a product of the system.

[GibbsRules!]

I just realized I have the unfortunate task of retiring another Skins jersey...

I should go get a Jansen jersey...
LOL, maybe you should stick with the retro jerseys DJ. I'm gonna find a Riggins jersey and bask in 80's Redskin glory...

I didn't have Smoot thank God...

[rskinsfan10]

Just because a couple HR members call Pierce a product of the system doesn't make it so.

Well, I did hear Mark Maske imply this also, and he gave the impression that this is the belief of other talent evaluators around the NFL.

[danny's stogie]

It depends on what you're looking for. Everyone isn't motivated by money and for you to think that there aren't people who would turn down more money, then you're wrong. As a matter of fact, one of our members stated they did it.

you're right...I wrote a little too quickly. There are many factors that go into deciding where to work. Right now I'm looking for a new job and money is very low on my criteria. Working atmosphere, location, leisure time so that I can pursue other ventures, etc, will all be weighed more heavily when making my decision. With that comment I was referencing the loyalty factor between Smoot and being a Skin. Well loyalty goes both ways...if a guy has worked hard for you for several years then you have an obligation to pay them accordingly. No one should take it so personally when Smoot says "I am a core Redskin".

[BurgundyNGold]

now that would really shock me. he seems a little to humble for that. his off field personality was very different to the on field one (IMO).
You are kidding... right? This is a guy who said that "2/3 or the Earth is covered by water. The other 1/3 is covered by Smoot". He'll be talking smack soon enough.

Oh, and we'll win a Super Bowl before either the Vikes or the Jets. Take that to the bank.

[Monk81]

I have one question for everyone who thinks Wilds is the next star CB in the league because he played ONE game against an INJURED Randy Moss do you comprehend the fact that Moss was basically playing on one leg?

I am not sold on Harris, Wilds, Brown or any other corner on our team not named Springs. If Harris is so damn good why would Indy who is a terrible Def. team have let him go? it's not like we out bid them he was a relatively cheap pick up.

Smoot will be missed I don't care how great GW is. and it really pisses me off I have all my Buddies who are Vikings fans calling and talking S**t

good luck Smoot hopefully you go on to prove all the doubters wrong I am sick of the FO paying FA from other teams money but not our own.

[danny's stogie]

You're exactly right...



Other than the fact that he IS a product of the system.

It takes a damn good player to master the GW system. It takes serious discipline and football acumen, not to mention that he's calling plays and defensive audibles half the time. I can't think of many coaches that wouldn't want a player like that on their team.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

the more i think about his, the more it makes me......http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/images/smilies/puke.gif

[whistleandthumb]

It takes a damn good player to master the GW system. It takes serious discipline and football acumen, not to mention that he's calling plays and defensive audibles half the time. I can't think of many coaches that wouldn't want a player like that on their team.
Well, if he was the greatest thing since sliced bread, and GW had such a great thing going with him, then why wouldn't GW make a hard play with Gibbs to keep him?!? It's not like he would've tipped the scales to re-sign him, not to mention, if he was so important, that we wouldn't have found room for him in the cap.

The answer to all these questions is that he WAS a product of the system. And that's why no one is worried about him being gone other than those ignorant enough to believe that he was the second coming. If our defense drops to the bottom third in the league, then I'll be more than happy to eat crow on this. And if the Giants D rises to the top 5, again, I'll concede the issue.

Anyway, this thread is about Smoot, not Pierce. There is plent of Pierce bashing going on in other threads.

[redwolf1218]

I have one question for everyone who thinks Wilds is the next star CB in the league because he played ONE game against an INJURED Randy Moss do you comprehend the fact that Moss was basically playing on one leg?

I am not sold on Harris, Wilds, Brown or any other corner on our team not named Springs. If Harris is so damn good why would Indy who is a terrible Def. team have let him go? it's not like we out bid them he was a relatively cheap pick up.

Smoot will be missed I don't care how great GW is. and it really pisses me off I have all my Buddies who are Vikings fans calling and talking S**t

good luck Smoot hopefully you go on to prove all the doubters wrong I am sick of the FO paying FA from other teams money but not our own.
indy gave manning a hundred million dollars. they let a lot of guys go, including Marcus Washington. Walt Harris was injured, possibly career threatening. he made a miraculous recovery and might be better than ever this upcoming year.

[rskinsfan10]

Well, one thing is for sure. Smoot will earn every penny as his tongue will be hanging out from the lack of being surrounded by a well rounded defense.

Beyond the CB position, what else can the Vikings list as a strength on defense?

[danny's stogie]

Well, if he was the greatest thing since sliced bread, and GW had such a great thing going with him, then why wouldn't GW make a hard play with Gibbs to keep him?!? It's not like he would've tipped the scales to re-sign him, not to mention, if he was so important, that we wouldn't have found room for him in the cap.



That is totally irrelevent...with the salary cap every team, every year, loses players that they would like to keep. Tough decisions have to be made and no player w/ the exception of Tom Brady is irreplacable.

and you're twisting my words...I never said that he was the second coming nor did I say I was worried about him being gone. I am however dissapointed that many people bash Smoot and Pierce now that they're gone. These were two fan-favorites last year, they both played their butts off for our collective favorite team, and both of them to be commended for that.

[danny's stogie]

Well, one thing is for sure. Smoot will earn every penny as his tongue will be hanging out from the lack of being surrounded by a well rounded defense.

Beyond the CB position, what else can the Vikings list as a strength on defense?

I love the Pat Williams signing by them...with his signing alone their run defense will be much improved and consequently they won't be so vulnerable to the pass.

[Monk81]

the Vikings D Line is pretty good if they get some LB's who can play they will be tough

Kevin Williams is a stud

[whitskins]

Would anybody else not be surprised if we hear that Smoot left because the Skins pulled their offer from the table? I had heard rumors of this, I wonder if after they made their decision on Coles they decided to go in a different direction than Smoot as well. Or perhaps lowered the offer like the Ravens did to Baxter... Hmm...

[tommahawk]

When I think of Smoots preformance last year a couple of plays stood out that made me think Smoot wasn't worth the money we offered him.
The plays were corner blitzes. Smoot came in untouched only to miss the sack. He is a good cover corner but his size hurt us last season.

[BandWagon]

Ok several points...bear with me:

1) As stated...Indy cleared out the garage for Manning. I firmly believe that's a big reason why Harris was available.

2) Don't cry a river over losing defensive starters and having to replace them with backups...Philly did it last year with two DB's, all pros I might add...and they ended up having great seasons...lesson...trust Williams.

3) I've read 7 pages of posts on this topic and not a one of you mentioned the fact that our old friend Champ has been steadily whispering in his ear for the past year. I saw them first hand next to the team buses in Canton...they were inseparable. Don't discount his influence...and that's something we don't need on our team. I don't buy that "I'm going to be Redskins for life" crap from Smoot...not single bit of it. When James Thrash says it, I'll believe it. We need blue collar players here....not high priced primadonna's.

4) It's Wilds, not Wilde or Wildes. Better start getting used to that name....

5) OK everybody from Czabe to a ton of you have been bit#@ing about giving more money to FA's outside the organization as opposed to taking care of our own. I think that's exactly what we're preparing to do...starting next year. There had to be one year where we reset all that and I believe it's THIS offseason. Think about it. Wholesale changes had to be made with the new coaching staff last year. No other way to do that than by FA. Price points were set, the right "Gibbs" core guys (or so we hope) were brought in and now, and ONLY now, can fiscal responsibility be practiced. I don't have a problem saying that Springs set the benchmark contract for a corner and we're not going to deviate from that. Or letting Pierce go. NOW we promote from within and we'll see if this plays out with the next round of "core" UFA's we have to deal with. Gibbs has cleaned house...eliminated the locker room cancers...and I believe he will take care of HIS guys that are here now as best as he can in the future.

[BurgundyNGold]

Would anybody else not be surprised if we hear that Smoot left because the Skins pulled their offer from the table? I had heard rumors of this, I wonder if after they made their decision on Coles they decided to go in a different direction than Smoot as well. Or perhaps lowered the offer like the Ravens did to Baxter... Hmm...
That would be just plain asinine if they did. I wouldn't blame Smoot one bit if the FO did that. I would, however, go looking for Vinny "Piggy" Cerrato with a freakin' pike.

[rskinsfan10]

I love the Pat Williams signing by them...with his signing alone their run defense will be much improved and consequently they won't be so vulnerable to the pass.

the Vikings D Line is pretty good if they get some LB's who can play they will be tough

Kevin Williams is a stud

They finished 21st against the run and 28th overall.

Sorry, but that tells me that they need a little more to get over the hump then what they have now.

[bosshog001]

It is a big loss, but I think we will draft someone to replace him. I blame all this on Coles!! Actually on the front office, who caved to Coles.

[hail2skins]

Well, if he was the greatest thing since sliced bread, and GW had such a great thing going with him, then why wouldn't GW make a hard play with Gibbs to keep him?!? It's not like he would've tipped the scales to re-sign him, not to mention, if he was so important, that we wouldn't have found room for him in the cap.

The answer to all these questions is that he WAS a product of the system. And that's why no one is worried about him being gone other than those ignorant enough to believe that he was the second coming. If our defense drops to the bottom third in the league, then I'll be more than happy to eat crow on this. And if the Giants D rises to the top 5, again, I'll concede the issue.

Anyway, this thread is about Smoot, not Pierce. There is plent of Pierce bashing going on in other threads.

We don't know whether or not GW did or did not make a hard play for Antonio. We just don't know. So what he was a product of the system. If he was, why not keep him it in. If he's a product of the system, maybe he would do well in that system like he did last season. I was upset with his loss but I'm over it now.

[BurgundyNGold]

2) Don't cry a river over losing defensive starters and having to replace them with backups...Philly did it last year with two DB's, all pros I might add...and they ended up having great seasons...lesson...trust Williams.
That's because Philly actually uses the draft to infuse their team with cheap, young talent that can be indoctrinated into the Andy Reid way. We trade away all of our picks or forfeit them for signing restricted FAs, so we have to sift through the lot of UFAs looking for a gem in a manure field. If we actually built through the draft, then I could agree with you. But we don't, so I can't.

With everything else you're spot on.

[rskinsfan10]

It is a big loss, but I think we will draft someone to replace him. I blame all this on Coles!! Actually on the front office, who caved to Coles.
Why? They held firm to the same offer that they presented him during the season, way before the Coles drama became a pressing issue.

[skinslover]

draft a cb with 9h overall. without fred smoot i can give a great example. dallas game 46 sec left thats all i have 2 say. WILDS has only proved himself once nnot even cause he had the help of ST. SPRINGS is injury prone. and harris is comming off an injury. thats just my opinion.

[rskinsfan10]

We don't know whether or not GW did or did not make a hard play for Antonio. We just don't know. So what he was a product of the system. If he was, why not keep him it in. If he's a product of the system, maybe he would do well in that system like he did last season. I was upset with his loss but I'm over it now.
Well, we know that it was GW that lobbied especially hard for Taylor when Gibbs was leaning towards Winslow, so I would have to believe that if he thought that the defense couldn't survive without Pierce in the middle, he would have lobbied just as hard. I don't see Gibbs turning him down.

[BurgundyNGold]

Well, we know that it was GW that lobbied especially hard for Taylor when Gibbs was leaning towards Winslow, so I would have to believe that if he thought that the defense couldn't survive without Pierce in the middle, he would have lobbied just as hard. I don't see Gibbs turning him down.
Or maybe he used up a few markers on the Taylor thing?

[rskinsfan10]

draft a cb with 9h overall. without fred smoot i can give a great example. dallas game 46 sec left thats all i have 2 say. WILDS has only proved himself once nnot even cause he had the help of ST. SPRINGS is injury prone. and harris is comming off an injury. thats just my opinion.
That was Taylor's fault. Not sure I understand your point in bringing up that play.

[rskinsfan10]

Or maybe he used up a few markers on the Taylor thing?

Maybe, but with what GW did in keeping us in all the games this past season despite the offense's misgivings, I'd find it very hard to believe that Gibbs wouldn't give him what he wanted, especially with the MLB.

[whitskins]

Well, we know that it was GW that lobbied especially hard for Taylor when Gibbs was leaning towards Winslow, so I would have to believe that if he thought that the defense couldn't survive without Pierce in the middle, he would have lobbied just as hard. I don't see Gibbs turning him down.

I agree with your logic Kenny, Pierce and Smoot are both directly tied to the Coles move. If GW said we could not live without Pierce and/or Smoot, we would have kept Coles and told him to shut up, and signed those other guys. We set their value at a $$ mark and held to it. That's what the Eagles have been doing the last five years, they're reaping the benefits.

[BurgundyNGold]

That was Taylor's fault. Not sure I understand your point in bringing up that play.
Yeah, Taylor got victimized on that one and on the Moss TD in Week 17. I [Cringes] Ooooooh. hope we don't see that this year.

[BurgundyNGold]

Maybe, but with what GW did in keeping us in all the games this past season despite the offense's misgivings, I'd find it very hard to believe that Gibbs wouldn't give him what he wanted, especially with the MLB.
Ah, yes. Good points. Touche.

[ConradCountry]

Dirty Vikings, this sucks and it opens a hole that we now have to fix.

[RedskinsVision]

expected but still sad news.. now that it's done there's a small empty feeling. we've lost our starting MLB, a CB, and 2 WR's. that's a big loss overall. our great coaching staff will be put to the test this year.

[redcayman]

Im truly bummed on this one. Im worried about our defense now. We just lost two starters in important positions. I didnt want to draft defense but now I just dont see how we can not.

[BandWagon]

That's because Philly actually uses the draft to infuse their team with cheap, young talent that can be indoctrinated into the Andy Reid way. We trade away all of our picks or forfeit them for signing restricted FAs, so we have to sift through the lot of UFAs looking for a gem in a manure field. If we actually built through the draft, then I could agree with you. But we don't, so I can't.

With everything else you're spot on.

My point is that we now are positioned to stop doing that. The only way Gibbs could mold them team in the fastest possible way was through FA and they did that last year. With the minimum of tweaking we're seeing this year (conceding that we have limited finances) I'm optimistic that Gibbs has "set" the team and now we can do exactly what you say correctly that Philly does. It would have taken Gibbs 4-5 years to mold his team through the draft. He doesn't have the luxury of that kind of time.

[hogs86]

Smoooooooooooot - Dawg you are sad !!! Between you and Coles see you at the S.B. next season .Yeah will be watching Joe Gibbs winning his 4th S.B. !!What A Looser!! :sleeping:

[ConradCountry]

We need to address the defense in the draft now because we have lost 2 starters from our defense to FA and have only added FAs on offense.

[BandWagon]

That was Taylor's fault. Not sure I understand your point in bringing up that play.

And wasn't that Springs playing corner on that play? I could be mistaken....

[Beast56Redskin]

maow. i didnt think id be this upset. but i am. smooty no loyalty check? not even for 800k??? dude.

defense will need to be addressed, and a 2nd rounder must now be aquired.

[chrisbcbu]

And wasn't that Springs playing corner on that play? I could be mistaken....

They played prevent on that last play with Springs and Taylor. Taylor was supposed to cover deep not the short route.

[rskinsfan10]

And wasn't that Springs playing corner on that play? I could be mistaken....

It was Springs. The D was in a zone I believe, and Taylor bit on watching Vinny's eyes instead of going after his assignment.

[chrisbcbu]

maow. i didnt think id be this upset. but i am. smooty no loyalty check? not even for 800k??? dude.

defense will need to be addressed, and a 2nd rounder must now be aquired.

sorry to burst ur bubble even more but he left for 300k more. We offered 10.5 and he signed for 10.8.

[suppitty]

There go two of our core Resskins. Thanks LC, I hope you choke on your cash.

Oh well. Hello Pac-Man!!!!
3, if tou count Pierce as one also. Looks like we'll have to draft a corner or rely on Wlat Harris, which is not a good idea. On second thought maybe we could move Lemar Marshall to corner :rolleyes: .

[portis2endzone]

sorry to burst ur bubble even more but he left for 300k more. We offered 10.5 and he signed for 10.8.
yep thats right he ran off to the vikes for 300k.

[Redskin006]

wow, this pisses the hell out of me. we offered within a million dollar's of that deal and he took the money. this is unbelievable. our draft is now changed unless some shocker trade happens.

[BurgundyNGold]

3, if tou count Pierce as one also. Looks like we'll have to draft a corner or rely on Wlat Harris, which is not a good idea. On second thought maybe we could move Lemar Marshall to corner :rolleyes: .
If I'm not mistaken, Gibbs took use to the Super Bowl in '82 when Jaris White was a rookie, and again in '83 when Darrell Green was a rookie (and a member of the Pearl Harbor squad).

That bings up an interesting parallel. Jaris White held out after his rookie year and wanted more money. As I recall, not only did Gibbs not give in, but I don't think White ever played a down in the NFL again. Hmmm. Maybe we won't miss Smooty so much after all.

[BandWagon]

I wonder what the net effect on the cap is? Akh, any guess as to what his cap number would have looked like had he stayed?

[ConradCountry]

We should be asking Sean Taylor about Antrel Rolle and wether Sean would like a roommate from the Canes.

[OCSkinzFan]

Everyone is talking about signing and/or drafting at CB. But at the end of last year, didn't coach Williams express a high degree of confidence in the CBs he was bringing along? Was it Garnell Wilds he was so up on? He (Garnell) was all that at Va Tec. What about building from within? Everyone thinks the Pats are great when they do it, why not have faith in our D Coach. He's GOOD.

[Redskin006]

We should be asking Sean Taylor about Antrel Rolle and wether Sean would like a roommate from the Canes.

Here's the way I believe we should handle this situation:

Trade our 1{9} to Green Bay 1{24} and their 2{?}. Then we trade Gardner for a third to whatever team. So with the 1{24} we draft David Pollack. With the 2{?} we draft Fabian Washington. With the 3{?} we draft Vincent Jackson. Pollack is a very good DE. Washington is capable of starting at CB. He is fast as hell too. Jackson is a beast, 240 lbs 6'5".

[Keino]

Im so happy I no longer have to hear the PA announcer say "tackle by Fred Smoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ot" when it happens 15 yards down the field on 3rd down and 8 to go..........


Good Riddance. 10 Million was way too much anyways.

[fent]

my night can't get any worse. my oral roberts golden eagles lose the conference tourney championship game by 1 on a last second off-balance three thereby giving away ANY shot at the big dance and then smoot walks on us. i'm gonna start drinking again. the only thing that could be worse is...nevermind i don't want to push my luck tonight.

[BurgundyNGold]

Im so happy I no longer have to hear the PA announcer say "tackle by Fred Smoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ot" when it happens 15 yards down the field on 3rd down and 8 to go..........


Good Riddance. 10 Million was way too much anyways.
Classic.

[rskinsfan10]

my night can't get any worse. my oral roberts golden eagles lose the conference tourney championship

I just made a thread about that a few minutes ago.

[BurgundyNGold]

Here's the way I believe we should handle this situation:

Trade our 1{9} to Green Bay 1{24} and their 2{?}. Then we trade Gardner for a third to whatever team. So with the 1{24} we draft David Pollack. With the 2{?} we draft Fabian Washington. With the 3{?} we draft Vincent Jackson. Pollack is a very DE. Washington is capable of starting at CB. He is fast as hell too. Jackson is a beast, 240 lbs 6'5".
I would love to get Jacskon if he is there in the 3rd. But, I can't tell you how many times we've been sitting in the 2nd, 3rd or 4th and a guy falls to us and I'm like "YES!!! We soooooo need this guy". And, alas, they pick Rashad Bauman or somebody else that leaves me mouthing "Who?" to myself in stunned silence. Yet, somehow, certain teams, Tennessee and, as of late, Cincy have jumped right on the guys I wanted.

[bgforever]

Here's the way I believe we should handle this situation:

Trade our 1{9} to Green Bay 1{24} and their 2{?}. Then we trade Gardner for a third to whatever team. So with the 1{24} we draft David Pollack. With the 2{?} we draft Fabian Washington. With the 3{?} we draft Vincent Jackson. Pollack is a very good DE. Washington is capable of starting at CB. He is fast as hell too. Jackson is a beast, 240 lbs 6'5".

That is highly likely now, since 1. DE reduce liability at CB position (NE was perfect at showing this, allowing corners to recover, by delaying the pass or eliminating the big gains). 2. A serious corner to still be in the fold of our current corps that is used to big time playmaking 3. another young strong pursuit driven maniac. This can be done, because we reduce greatly the costs and risks of normal draft crap shoots. Maybe we don't get Pollack, but that would mean there's still some good ones around and at least other options still show within FA in June as well.

We'll be fine, I just wanted Smoot to make his mind up before April. Cool. I figured we lost him. Now lets see HOW MUCH he got from the Vikes? I just got back to you guys so I have to read some more. Thanks on the news!

[bgforever]

Sigh, wouldn't sign with us because of 800,000. Oh well.


Actually 300,000 difference. That is silly, he didn't want to play under Gibbs, I aint stupid. Good, cause Gibbs has a couple of aces, Wylder, Harris and the draft. That is a lot better than 2003! Plus 2 of the 3 know some of the system Williams uses. Minnesota WILL not deploy a defense like ours, attack, because they're still weaker and can't hold up as long as we can for a full 60 minutes.

We should be fine.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

i just realized smoot is going to have a helluva time having to cover muhammed, walker and williams.

[silverspring]

booooooooooooooooooo. Alright move on.

I think harris and wilds can handle it this year but we should consider drafting a cb in a later draft round to groom like Ronald Bartell.

[whitskins]

i just realized smoot is going to have a helluva time having to cover muhammed, walker and williams.

He won't. That's winfield's job. Probably an unspoken perk in joining their team.

[LATrueRedskin]

I'm not a fan of Smoot lying to us when he said he'd stay if the signing bonuse was within 2 million. I'm with dj on the front-loading thing. Have fun in a dome Smoot. What's next?

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

He won't. That's winfield's job. Probably an unspoken perk in joining their team.
i think he'll be matched up with them at some point in time....

[akhhorus]

yep thats right he ran off to the vikes for 300k.

If anyone still thinks Smoot is a "true Redskin" and beleived him when he said he would come back for a million or two less--you need to re-assess your belief structure

[OCSkinzFan]

booooooooooooooooooo. Alright move on.

I think harris and wilds can handle it this year but we should consider drafting a cb in a later draft round to groom like Ronald Bartell.

We drafted Wilds last year because we were saying that Smoot may be gone etc. Well... Coach williams has big ups for Wilds. I expect him to start next year.

Write it down.

[whitskins]

i think he'll be matched up with them at some point in time....

Well then let the fireworks begin :) Nah, I wish him luck, except against us. I don't expect him to trash us like Coles has, I sure hope he doesn't, I'd like to keep rooting for him. You never know, he may be back someday :whoknows:

[akhhorus]

I wonder what the net effect on the cap is? Akh, any guess as to what his cap number would have looked like had he stayed?

Hard to tell without seeing the whole deal--but he would have cost(roughly) about 3-4 million this year against the cap. Roughly.

[lakeskin]

I'm not a fan of Smoot lying to us when he said he'd stay if the signing bonuse was within 2 million. I'm with dj on the front-loading thing. Have fun in a dome Smoot. What's next?

Im curious to know whether or not we pulled our offer off the table.

And if we did is Ty Law then an option for that same offer?

[DUCKIN_TACKLERS]

HOW IS SMOOT EVER GONNA SURVIVE... without all the D.C. and national media attention and rabid fans .with how much he likes to talk it seems like a tough gig for him. so heres a question...if smoot makes a funny quote in Minnesota but no one is there to listen does he really make a sound?

[rskinsfan10]

Im curious to know whether or not we pulled our offer off the table.

And if we did is Ty Law then an option for that same offer?

All indications are that we did not.

I doubt that Law would sign for that, but anything is possible I suppose.

[lrking75]

The SB was 14 mil.. not 10.5

[LATrueRedskin]

Im curious to know whether or not we pulled our offer off the table.

And if we did is Ty Law then an option for that same offer?

Very interesting indeed if Law commands the same type of deal. I'd rather not, though, and just promote Walt Harris back to his old starting position that he's acustom to.

[LATrueRedskin]

The SB was 14 mil.. not 10.5

Where did you hear that? Got a link for it?

[WinnpegSkinsFan]

Here's the way I believe we should handle this situation:

Trade our 1{9} to Green Bay 1{24} and their 2{?}. Then we trade Gardner for a third to whatever team. So with the 1{24} we draft David Pollack. With the 2{?} we draft Fabian Washington. With the 3{?} we draft Vincent Jackson. Pollack is a very good DE. Washington is capable of starting at CB. He is fast as hell too. Jackson is a beast, 240 lbs 6'5".

I like this scenario. We also have an existing 3rd rounder which we could use to draft a MLB prospect. I like the idea of drafting a blocking TE with our 4th rounder and getting depth for O-line. We could also trade down to KC(15) or NO(16) if Derrick Johnson is available at #9. they both covet him, I hear.

[PGiddy18]

I just realized I have the unfortunate task of retiring another Skins jersey...

I should go get a Jansen jersey...

Break out the Duct Tape!!

Im truly bummed on this one. Im worried about our defense now. We just lost two starters in important positions. I didnt want to draft defense but now I just dont see how we can not.

I am not as upset about this as i thought i would be. Thats is most likely because I've been preping myself for it ever since he turned down our deal. I didn't see us NOT drafting Defense. While the guys we have are solid, we dont' want to risk anything but not adding a few players on the D side of the ball. Offense is obvious, but I still think we are in good shape defensively. Promote within and see what happens from there. I'm not going to get too worried until AFTER the draft. If we make no progress, then its ok to hit the panic button. Until then... breathe a little everybody!

[lrking75]

Where did you hear that? Got a link for it?

Wasnt a link. I just watched it on Comcast SportsNEt... Im gonna check there website out... 14 mil, I would leave to.

[nicefellow31]

If I'm not mistaken, Gibbs took use to the Super Bowl in '82 when Jaris White was a rookie, and again in '83 when Darrell Green was a rookie (and a member of the Pearl Harbor squad).

That bings up an interesting parallel. Jaris White held out after his rookie year and wanted more money. As I recall, not only did Gibbs not give in, but I don't think White ever played a down in the NFL again. Hmmm. Maybe we won't miss Smooty so much after all.

White was not a rookie in 82. He was an experienced player that had previously played for Tampa Bay. Vernon Dean was a rookie starter in 82. However, White did hold out the next year, thus giving his starting CB role to one Darrell Green. Not smart on his part. Also, it was Bobby Bethard that did all of the contract negotiating in those days.

[lakeskin]

Very interesting indeed if Law commands the same type of deal. I'd rather not, though, and just promote Walt Harris back to his old starting position that he's acustom to.

I'm not too worried about the corner position either. Look at what NE did last year without both their starting CB's. But still curious if the skins would be able to entertain the idea or if they are simply out of room.

[bgforever]

Well then let the fireworks begin :) Nah, I wish him luck, except against us. I don't expect him to trash us like Coles has, I sure hope he doesn't, I'd like to keep rooting for him. You never know, he may be back someday :whoknows:


Yeah seems the revolving door does exist in the NFL. I think Smoot's choice, whether he favored Gibbs or not, wanted the money or not, is his alone and I do believe he will be as Smooty as possible, with candor and no hard feelings.

[BandWagon]

Hard to tell without seeing the whole deal--but he would have cost(roughly) about 3-4 million this year against the cap. Roughly.


Do you figure that's a wash when we sign our draft picks?

[THILL]

Smoot was good. Smoot was not great. The money he was asking for was a bit over the top. The redskins held their ground. Although there are always concern when changes are made I still say Congrats to Joe and Greg! There are a number of options. One, depending on how the draft breaks would be that the Skins go for Antrel Rolle out of Miami? They know how to play at that school!

[wave6ten]

I hated to see Smoot go because I think he is one of the best Cb's in the league. However We need Mike Williams by all means. Corey Webster from LSU would be a great fill at CB in the @nd round if we could manuever and grab him.

[akhhorus]

Do you figure that's a wash when we sign our draft picks?

The draft picks will cost less probably.

[BandWagon]

The draft picks will cost less probably.

Net gain for us. That's what I was hoping you'd say. There might be a strategy here....

[akhhorus]

To the tune of Pink Floyd's "Money":

Smoot, go away.
Get a 800 thousand more and you're okay.
Lying, it's a gas.
Grab that cash with both hands and make a stash.
New car, caviar, four star daydream,
Think I'll buy me a new diamond.

Smoot, get back.
I'm all right Jack, you said you would sign for a two million or less.
Money, it's a hit.
Don't give me that true redskin bull****.
I'm in the NFC North, in a dome, facing Javon Walker...
And I think I need 800 thousand more.

Huge Signing bonus, it's a crime.
Share it fairly but don't take a slice of my pie.
Money, so they say
Gets the love of every Free agent today.
But if you offer the same contract they reject it for just a little more.

"HuHuh! I‘m a true Redskin for life!"
"But the Vikings offered 800 thousand more!"
"But I lied when I said it wouldnt matter if it was close!"
"I was definitely in the right. That 800 thousand feeds my family!"
"Yeah!"
"Why didnt the skins offer 900 thousand more?"
"I don't know, my agent was really drunk at the time!"
"I was just telling him, he couldn't get a good deal from the Chiefs. He was asking why he wasn't coming up to Minnesota, after I was yelling and screaming and telling him why he getting me Ken Lucas money.
It came as a heavy shock, but we got Minnesota to give Anthony Henry money"

[rskinsfan10]

Im curious to know whether or not we pulled our offer off the table.

To answer your post again:


According to a source, Washington was about to reduce its standing offer to Smoot when the cornerback started making visits yesterday. But Cerrato denied that Washington reduced its offer.

[PA Skins Girl]

Wasnt a link. I just watched it on Comcast SportsNEt... Im gonna check there website out... 14 mil, I would leave to.
Yeah, I just saw that too. They said it was 5 years, $35 million with a $14 million bonus.

[rskinsfan10]

Yeah, I just saw that too. They said it was 5 years, $35 million with a $14 million bonus.
Everyone else is reporting 6yrs/36 10.8 bonus.

[LATrueRedskin]

Everyone else is reporting 6yrs/36 10.8 bonus.

That's all I'm seeing too.

[akhhorus]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=2008178

6 years-34 million--10.8 million bonus

[PA Skins Girl]

Everyone else is reporting 6yrs/36 10.8 bonus.
Yeah, I know. Dont know who to believe. Comcast Sports Net had Shawn Springs on the phone and Shawn said something about Fred calling him with the numbers and Shawn telling him, that's great, that's what you wanted, do what's best for you and your family...

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

Yeah, I know. Dont know who to believe. Comcast Sports Net had Shawn Springs on the phone and Shawn said something about Fred calling him with the numbers and Shawn telling him, that's great, that's what you wanted, do what's best for you and your family...
if thats the case, then i feel a bit better. IMO, there is NO way the skins wouldve given smoot $14M even if we had alot of cap room.

[rskinsfan10]

Yeah, I know. Dont know who to believe. Comcast Sports Net had Shawn Springs on the phone and Shawn said something about Fred calling him with the numbers and Shawn telling him, that's great, that's what you wanted, do what's best for you and your family...

Dave Feldman on Fox5 stated "a little more then $10mil".

It should be clearer tomorrow I suppose.

[BandWagon]

Yeah, I know. Dont know who to believe. Comcast Sports Net had Shawn Springs on the phone and Shawn said something about Fred calling him with the numbers and Shawn telling him, that's great, that's what you wanted, do what's best for you and your family...

Interesting quote...wonder if I can read between the lines there?

[GeneralDisorder]

I just realized I have the unfortunate task of retiring another Skins jersey...

I should go get a Jansen jersey...

I think you're missing the point. You're obviously hexing every player whose jersey you buy.

Might I suggest you begin collecting Cowboys, Giants & Eagles jerseys...?

[RoanokeSkin]

Smoot is a joke. He is gonna get torched in a Vikings uniform.

[openallnight]

Smoot is a joke. He is gonna get torched in a Vikings uniform.
Nice RS. The guy that gave everything on the field for this team and us fans. The guy that played w/ a F'ing broken sternum because we needed him out there is now nothing but a joke. You'd be crying like a baby to your mommy if you felt that kind of pain and this guy is out there giving it all for US.
This is why philly fans, baltimore fans and fans from all over the NFL come into our stadium and laugh at us and mock us. Because we have no HEART!!! Someone here posted last season that the Redskins fans have no heart. And I adamantly disagreed. But if this is the attitude of us fans. Than I sadly have to agree him.

[rskinsfan10]

Nice RS. The guy that gave everything on the field for this team and us fans. The guy that played w/ a F'ing broken sternum because we needed him out there is now nothing but a joke. You'd be crying like a baby to your mommy if you felt that kind of pain and this guy is out there giving it all for US.
This is why philly fans, baltimore fans and fans from all over the NFL come into our stadium and laugh at us and mock us. Because we have no HEART!!! Someone here posted last season that the Redskins fans have no heart. And I adamantly disagreed. But if this is the attitude of us fans. Than I sadly have to agree him.

What?

The Redskin fanbase has been showing it's heart all of these years by dealing with the constant mediocrity. Skins fans have no heart? Please, that is the furthest from the truth.

[akhhorus]

Nice RS. The guy that gave everything on the field for this team and us fans. The guy that played w/ a F'ing broken sternum because we needed him out there is now nothing but a joke. You'd be crying like a baby to your mommy if you felt that kind of pain and this guy is out there giving it all for US.
This is why philly fans, baltimore fans and fans from all over the NFL come into our stadium and laugh at us and mock us. Because we have no HEART!!! Someone here posted last season that the Redskins fans have no heart. And I adamantly disagreed. But if this is the attitude of us fans. Than I sadly have to agree him.

So by this logic, the Skins should give Smoot whatever he wants? You werent lying when you said you dont look at the Skins as a business at all.

[nicefellow31]

Nice RS. The guy that gave everything on the field for this team and us fans. The guy that played w/ a F'ing broken sternum because we needed him out there is now nothing but a joke. You'd be crying like a baby to your mommy if you felt that kind of pain and this guy is out there giving it all for US.
This is why philly fans, baltimore fans and fans from all over the NFL come into our stadium and laugh at us and mock us. Because we have no HEART!!! Someone here posted last season that the Redskins fans have no heart. And I adamantly disagreed. But if this is the attitude of us fans. Than I sadly have to agree him.

We are no different than any other group of fans. I remember when Trotter signed with us how pissed the Eagles fans got. The same thing last year when they lost both of their cornerbacks. When your girlfriend breaks up with you, most people don't have positive things to say as she walks out the door. Folks here are just venting their frustrations. Smoot is a good player but he is not a Redskin anymore so now all we see are his shortcomings.

[RoanokeSkin]

Nice RS. The guy that gave everything on the field for this team and us fans. The guy that played w/ a F'ing broken sternum because we needed him out there is now nothing but a joke. You'd be crying like a baby to your mommy if you felt that kind of pain and this guy is out there giving it all for US.
This is why philly fans, baltimore fans and fans from all over the NFL come into our stadium and laugh at us and mock us. Because we have no HEART!!! Someone here posted last season that the Redskins fans have no heart. And I adamantly disagreed. But if this is the attitude of us fans. Than I sadly have to agree him.


I recall him saying if the deals were close (within 4 million) he would resign with us. He didnt. He lied. He can go to Minnesota and get burnt. He was made by the system that Greg Williams put in last season and he wont be playing that in Minnesota.

[Vonslydog]

I recall him saying if the deals were close (within 4 million) he would resign with us. He didnt. He lied. He can go to Minnesota and get burnt. He was made by the system that Greg Williams put in last season and he wont be playing that in Minnesota.
I think he actually said something more along the lines of 2 million. But the signing bonus isn't everything. The reason he didn't resign was because the Vikings contract was front loaded. He would get relatively high base salaries early. Something to the effect of an average of 6 million a year for his first three years. There is no way the skins could have afforded to do that. Ergo, Smoot is a Viking.

[bgforever]

I think he actually said something more along the lines of 2 million. But the signing bonus isn't everything. The reason he didn't resign was because the Vikings contract was front loaded. He would get relatively high base salaries early. Something to the effect of an average of 6 million a year for his first three years. There is no way the skins could have afforded to do that. Ergo, Smoot is a Viking.

Exactly. Had we been able to match such a large front loaded contract, we'd have Smoot, but we'd be missing key personnel come preseason. All three players that left, like them or not, would have strapped our roster, You'd see their smiling face, but we would be in a hole a couple more years.

So I ask. What does the common denominator appear to you to be. Personnel or money. they wanted the money, they may not ever see (in reality, they will be taxed harder, even when the shelters show up to protect it, the agents still get their slice and the expense of living still take their normal course. The free agent that broke the bank, was Deion Sanders. It will never happen again, and Smoot found out.

[ImmortalDragon]

:cry:
I'll miss him, I still remember when he kept hurting his shoulder one game last year and still came in every play.