We cannot afford to draft a WR at this point.

[Ramsey2Moss]

There. I said it.

I think we will be perfectly fine with Moss, Patten, and Jacobs at this point. Besides, the main part of our offense is still RUNNING THE BALL. Don't forget we have one of the NFC's top backs lining up behind the Dirtbags.

But this thread isn't about offense. It's about defense. I trust in Williams and Gibbs verymuch so, which is why I am a true fan and not jumping ship like some other bandwagoners ( :jetsuk: ); let Williams draft a corner. Trade down from our high pick, pick up a 2nd roudner (which could then be used on a MLB or WR), but the talent in this year's corners is deep in the first round. Anyone of these guys is capable of starting next year alongside Springs:
Antrelle Rolle
Pacman Jones (don't like him, but still)
Carlos Rogers (my pick)
Marlin Jackson (see Pacman)
Justin Miller
and probably one or two other guys I am leaving out.

Or we could always trade down and take Channing Crowder (MLB from Florida), he is a stud and would easily fill the void left by Pierce, but we still have Marshall Barrow and Smith, so this is not as big of a need.

Basically, unless the impossible happens (Hell freezes over, all of the Eagles and Cowboys die in a planecrash, and Mike Williams falls to us at 9), we should be looking to draft Smoot's replacement. There's no rush for him to start, either, as we have two veterans and an excellent DC that can groom him.

I would love to see Rogers in Burgundy and Gold though...

[BIGSEF3]

dude, we cant a for a #9 pick period, at this point. lets hope we get an offer to trade down.

[Ramsey2Moss]

I agree with you. A trade down is a must at this point.

[whitskins]

I have to respectfully disagree. I think the plan all along was to offer Smoot the 10 mil, if he declines we'll go with Harris. If the fallback plan was to use our first pick on a CB we might as well have offered Smoot 11 mil to stay. I think (and hope) Harris starts and we still draft offense.

How many more days til the draft? I'm sick of free agency.

[Ramsey2Moss]

How many more days til the draft? I'm sick of free agency.
I'm in the same boat. I can't stand free agency.

[redcayman]

I agree with u in part I do think we can not afford to draft a WR now. We need to get better up front because if we can get proper pressure we can afford to be a little weaker at CB. I miss smoot but I do not believe he is so good he cannot be replaced. Lets trade down to mid first round pick up a second and take the best DE available and the best corner with our 2.

[SusQhnnaSkin]

In general, draft the best player available-one that makes sense. Obvoiusy we're not gonna draft a RB, QB, O-Line, S, or OLB at #9 but almost everything else should be fair game.

[silverspring]

Without smoot we sure can afford it. I just wrote this in another thread but I think we should keep our 1st for offense and pick up a late round cb with potential, harris will handle it this year.
Ronald Bartell 6-1" 210lbs 4.37/40

[bgforever]

Have to do is some juggling, now that I think about it, because of this, it works in our favor, because we will be loaded from rd 2 to 6!
We can still trade some picks for a player outright (I think that Mike Barrow is now on the fence for our savings, if he can't do it, he would save us some dough, releasing a few of the ERFA, RFA's would also help. We add to the cofers what Smoot left behind, and getting a player of Pollack's caliber NOW in the NFL, is good, but it won't be a superstar, it will be someone with a bit of time in and a couple or more years left. I prefer the draft, bring em, and wheen em.

First glance looks bad, reality, we are going to be just fine.

Hope you're happy with the "tax" difference and HIGH cost of living in Minnesota. Get a snowmobile, no cadillac for town and country driving Smooty. :)

[bgforever]

Without smoot we sure can afford it. I just wrote this in another thread but I think we should keep our 1st for offense and pick up a late round cb with potential, harris will handle it this year.
Ronald Bartell 6-1" 210lbs 4.37/40

Oh man, forgot about him. He'd be a great compliment for our corps, like those top 5 WR would be a good fit for us. We are still on it! Go Joe!

[lakeskin]

You could argue that we're more stocked at corner than we are at reciever at thsi point. At least Springs is a legit no.1 or close to it.

I mean if the Pats can win a Super Bowl with Troy Brown as their nickleback than I think the skins can get by with wat they have now under the guidance of Gregg Williams.

[D-Ruck #8]

I have to say I'm all for us taking Carlos Rogers now.

[skinsfan36]

I have to say I'm all for us taking Carlos Rogers now.
yea i think hes the best corner available,but the draft thinks middle/late 1st round

[redwolf1218]

so with the number 30 ranked offense or whatever it was, and the number 3 ranked defense, the argument is that we must concentrate on defense? i cant go along with that. i think we are in position to take the best available athlete/player, which is a great position to be in, heading into the draft. let someone else draft a need, and hopefully that need (for them) will be there at 9 and we can trade down and get extra picks.

[LATrueRedskin]

I'm all for drafting a CB, but if Mike Williams is there, we must get him. We can get a very good player at the 9 spot.

[redwolf1218]

we can afford it...just not in the top 10.

[JoeDaSchmoe]

We absolutely do not need to draft a WR at this point. I'd be upset if we did.

[Emmanouel8]

I don't understand what part of s-a-l-a-r-y c-a-p don't some of you get? We can't afford a WR we don't need, we have 4 viable WR and too many other holes. Trade down, F Mike Williams.

[WorldBFree76]

I also think they should trade down. If they could trade down and add both a good CB and a DE with the aquired picks, I think that would be the best. But drafting one of the top CBs wouldn't hurt either. I like Harris, but he will get exposed in this type of defense, where he has to play a lot of 1 on 1.

[JakeIron]

the problem with draft is that it rarely fills any holes for next season. If we need instant contribution we have to sign somebody. I still think we could trade down and get a good CB (Rogers, Pac-Man, Miller, etc.) and pick up a 3rd rounder. Remember, there are a lot of sleepers Gibbs can use. (IMO Cooley in 3rd was at least a small steal.) I don't like the idea of Springs being our only high-profile CB, he's injury prone and WILL get hurt this year. We need depth at CB.

[SkinsDominate]

I think we MUST draft a WR. Our passing game was our weak link last year. Think what you want but at this point we have nothing more than average below average wide receivers. For the love of God,I cant take another losing season and at this point thats what its going to be. No MLB, no CB, average receivers. Walt harris at starting CB!! There is a reason he wasnt a starter...he wasnt good enough to be one. I mean what has happend this off season! We lost Pierce, Coles, and Smoot. We do nothing for the passing game but pick up some average receivers and the talk of Jacobs being the 3rd receiver is a joke. He has did nothing since he has been here. Why not pick up Jerry Rice and make him a starter. He surely will be able to compete with what we have right now.

[bgforever]

I think we MUST draft a WR. Our passing game was our weak link last year. Think what you want but at this point we have nothing more than average below average wide receivers. For the love of God,I cant take another losing season and at this point thats what its going to be. No MLB, no CB, average receivers. Walt harris at starting CB!! There is a reason he wasnt a starter...he wasnt good enough to be one. I mean what has happend this off season! We lost Pierce, Coles, and Smoot. We do nothing for the passing game but pick up some average receivers and the talk of Jacobs being the 3rd receiver is a joke. He has did nothing since he has been here. Why not pick up Jerry Rice and make him a starter. He surely will be able to compete with what we have right now.


Ya know, we may be doing somthing here that is EXACTLY what I think it is. I aint tellin'. Don't want to give it away, but its a combination of two particular drafts. We are holding back because apparently we felt for the money asked, we can upgrade, yet trade down. That's a hint.

Nuff said.

Yes trust in JG and GW and DS on this trip this time. It will be worth the wait. JG made it clear, he WILL NOT leave us in the dark and so far he has spoken at every turn. We just have to remember that as many have prejudice against anything to do with the Redskins. If Smoot had signed with us, he'd be a has been. but since he's going to Minnesota, the flood gates of finger pointers will break through. The funny thing is, this time for them "its on paper only" :) I LOVE THIS GAME!

[jrock]

the problem with draft is that it rarely fills any holes for next season. If we need instant contribution we have to sign somebody. I still think we could trade down and get a good CB (Rogers, Pac-Man, Miller, etc.) and pick up a 3rd rounder. Remember, there are a lot of sleepers Gibbs can use. (IMO Cooley in 3rd was at least a small steal.) I don't like the idea of Springs being our only high-profile CB, he's injury prone and WILL get hurt this year. We need depth at CB.


I agree about needing depth at CB but what does Springs have to do to not be considered injury prone anymore? I mean he may get hurt but I dont think that he's any more likely than anyone else on the team. And i think any of those five or six guys originally mentioned would provide instant contribution. (Rolle, Pacman, Rogers, Jackson etc.) Also I think we should pretty much rule out Mike Williams falling to us at 9 because its just not going to happen.

[SkinsDominate]

Ya know, we may be doing somthing here that is EXACTLY what I think it is. I aint tellin'. Don't want to give it away, but its a combination of two particular drafts. We are holding back because apparently we felt for the money asked, we can upgrade, yet trade down. That's a hint.

Nuff said.

Yes trust in JG and GW and DS on this trip this time. It will be worth the wait. JG made it clear, he WILL NOT leave us in the dark and so far he has spoken at every turn. We just have to remember that as many have prejudice against anything to do with the Redskins. If Smoot had signed with us, he'd be a has been. but since he's going to Minnesota, the flood gates of finger pointers will break through. The funny thing is, this time for them "its on paper only" :) I LOVE THIS GAME!

I guess with me its that we lost Smoot. I was a big fan of his and figured he would be a life time redskin. Couple years ago we had Champ and Fred at CB now we are going to have Springs and possibly Walt Harris. Oh boy, I think we may be in trouble.

[bgforever]

I agree about needing depth at CB but what does Springs have to do to not be considered injury prone anymore? I mean he may get hurt but I dont think that he's any more likely than anyone else on the team. And i think any of those five or six guys originally mentioned would provide instant contribution. (Rolle, Pacman, Rogers, Jackson etc.) Also I think we should pretty much rule out Mike Williams falling to us at 9 because its just not going to happen.

Ah, ok, hints over we're going to do both CB and WR and our options aren't off any table, including a db and wr in FA. Its HOW you use the cb and the WR is measured in what the offensive needs are, not wanting to be Randy Moss, I get the feeling this will eliminate a great deal of the WR, so we are only looking at 3 of them, and they aint in the top 3.

Of the CB, that's done. They won't hint at who and when, and yes they will still add people, when the time is right with roster moves. Remember, they are STILL looking at other people's rosters (HINT!!!!!).

[JakeIron]

I agree about needing depth at CB but what does Springs have to do to not be considered injury prone anymore? I mean he may get hurt but I dont think that he's any more likely than anyone else on the team. And i think any of those five or six guys originally mentioned would provide instant contribution. (Rolle, Pacman, Rogers, Jackson etc.) Also I think we should pretty much rule out Mike Williams falling to us at 9 because its just not going to happen.

IMO there is pretty much nothing you can do about it. Once you blow your knee or something it's never the same. You get injured a couple of times and it's going to get you, trust me. Springs played one great season and didn't miss a game due to injury BUT I still think we need more quality corners. I hope we'll get a 2nd rounder and draft Antonio Perkins.

[openallnight]

In general, draft the best player available-one that makes sense. Obvoiusy we're not gonna draft a RB, QB, O-Line, S, or OLB at #9 but almost everything else should be fair game.
I'm with you, take the best PLAYER. Although, I wouldn't add the exceptions. If the best guy you have on your board is a RB you take him. That is assuming his ranking is more than just slightly higher than the next guy's.

[rhummer37]

First off, if they go the CB route, you guys know they will pick Antrel Rolle to keep the Washington Hurricanes thing going.


Here is the top ten overall players according to Scout's Inc. (ESPN Service)

B. Edward WR
R. Brown RB
A. Rodgers QB
C. Williams RB
A. Jones CB
Antrel Rolle CB
D. Johnson OLB
A. Smith QB
C. Benson RB
M. Williams WR

We don't need a RB or QB, I don't know how much G. Williams likes his CB's (but I do know he got his idol in the draft last year) and I know that it was the offense which was holding the team back.

I would rather draft a big, quick WR like Edwards or Williams before I add to our defense.

I think G. Williams will be able to work around what he lacks in personel. J. Gibbs has been unable to show the same time of creativity in his second stint.

[charleesdad]

I know there is probably no one that thinks this makes sense but with the top 2 WRs we have now in Moss and Patten wouldn't Gardner still provide some value as a third with some size. He may have been 50/50 the last 2 seasons but he has shown can make the big play and you can't blame him too much for last year with Brunell pretending to be an NFL QB for most of the season. If we can't get a 2nd rounder for him I say just keep him around without the pressure of being a 1 or 2 he might just provide some value for the 1st rounder we spent on him.
Then that first round pick can be traded down and save some money by not having to sign a top ten guy. There is defnitely some good value at WR in round 2 for long-term solutions but the history with position players early in the draft has not been the best. The best QBs and RBs ever taken in the draft were mid round selections.

[redwolf1218]

welcome charleesdad.

personally i dont think Patten will start, but we'll see. i'm probably wrong.

[BtwnDaTackles]

I would agree that we dont need a reciever right now.....but another thing that sounds really good is trading down picking up the kid from ichigan at corner i like him better he got a big frame and very agressive....check out the mich perdue game he was a MANIMAL!!!!!! i havent seen that much agression at corner since the redskins last played.....Lets face it the skinz are NASTY in the secondary and very phsycial pac-man wont fit the mold........

[redwolf1218]

I would agree that we dont need a reciever right now.....but another thing that sounds really good is trading down picking up the kid from ichigan at corner i like him better he got a big frame and very agressive....check out the mich perdue game he was a MANIMAL!!!!!! i havent seen that much agression at corner since the redskins last played.....Lets face it the skinz are NASTY in the secondary and very phsycial pac-man wont fit the mold........
Garnell Wilds will be The Predator and Taylor will be The Terminator.

[gibbsskins1]

we will go wr in the draft... last year gw got to pick his guy in sean taylor, i think that this year gibbs will want his guy for the offense...im am excited though to see what ends up happening...i will be happy with what ever they choose to do because i trust in gibbs and williams.

[charleesdad]

Thanks for the welcome - glad to be a part of this site...I've been reading for a month now and just decided to chime in.

If Patten does not start (I agree that he would be a better suited #3 a la Ricky
Sanders) then the need for a bigger #2 that can go over the middle is a concern. I think that Gibbs has a way of getting the best of his guys and that McCants will step up this year. We already know he can get in the endzone.
If we can't get value for Gardner I don't think he would be the worst option. This offense will be improved this year and that will help him a lot.

[charleesdad]

I agree that this year Gibbs will look to boost the offense, but I don't think, given his history with mid rounders, that he will bank on a single player that will cost a fortune in the top ten if he can pick up a late #1 pick and an extra #2 or 3. Look what he did with Cooley last season. This year's draft is pretty deep at corner and WR so there will be value later in the draft and there's not as much of a gamble with so much cash.

[CarMike]

Thanks for the welcome - glad to be a part of this site...I've been reading for a month now and just decided to chime in.

If Patten does not start (I agree that he would be a better suited #3 a la Ricky
Sanders) then the need for a bigger #2 that can go over the middle is a concern. I think that Gibbs has a way of getting the best of his guys and that McCants will step up this year. We already know he can get in the endzone.
If we can't get value for Gardner I don't think he would be the worst option. This offense will be improved this year and that will help him a lot.

Again, welcome to hR charleesdad.

While I may agree with you about Gardner....I'd much rather trade him this year so we can get something in return. No way will resign him next year. If we can get a third, possibly a 2nd if enough teams get into a bidding war, that would make my day. We need more draft picks.

[CNYSkinFan]

The addition of two quality WR in Free agency along with the maturing of Jacobs and McCants and the presence of Thrash does lead me to believe that drafting a WR in the first round is a luxury.

But I am not sold with going straight to the defensive side of the bal. I think I would like to either trade deown and get Heath Miller at TE or if no trade down possibility is out there, take him at #9. A top flight TE will really make this offense sing, not to mention he is a beast of a blocker.

Then with the 2nd we pick up with our trade dwon or Gardner we can take a chance on a young corner and work whim in. From then on we can draft best available aso long as we get a couple of younger offensive linemen to bolster our depth there. May be a project at DE as well.

[scacchi]

If Williams is there, which I really doubt, I think the Skins have to draft him. He is simply to good to pass up. People can say all they want about speed, etc., but this kids a playmaker. The films do not decieve. Who cares if we have a lot of WR's, you can't pass on a talent like Williams.

[BleedingB&G]

Trade down and draft Heath Miller TE UVA mid to late first round- what a great H-back...he's a moose in blocking and has great hands for the red zone and third and longs...areas we simply DID NOT convert on last year

[charleesdad]

We can pass on Williams (Remeber he hasn't played in a year) if we can get good value by trading down lower in the round and possibly fill another need with addtional picks from the trade.

As I am writing these posts I just keep thinking to myself that we can speculate and pray all we want for the team to make the best moves, but there's a reason Danny boy brought back Gibbs and we have to trust his instincts whatever he does. I really wish he had Beathard or Casserly backing him up this year though. This is probably the toughest draft in a long time.

[JJUICE86]

:lol1: assuming andre dyson is completley out of reach even with the cap room created by brunell restructuring I guess drafting a corner would make some sense. But historically rookie corners struggle. If we must, then draft Rolle or Pac man. Personally I would do whatever it takes to get dyson and get Dan Cody in the draft.

[skins111111]

If Williams is there, which I really doubt, I think the Skins have to draft him. He is simply to good to pass up. People can say all they want about speed, etc., but this kids a playmaker. The films do not decieve. Who cares if we have a lot of WR's, you can't pass on a talent like Williams.

Williams will be gone early he just ran around a 4.5 and had a great workout
I'll find the link.........we won't get him

[skins111111]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylc=X3oDMTBpcTFhbmEwBF9TAzk1ODYxMDU5BHNlYwN0 bQ--?slug=cr-williams031005&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

[Dexter72]

I think the number one need we have is the lack of a reliable big target for converting first downs and who can be a factor (scoring and drawing double teams) in the red zone...and there may be a few guys at 9 who can fill that need...obviously Williams and Edwards are two, but neither may be there.

I was definitely anti-Heath Miller earlier on, but with the addition of Moss and Patten I think Miller (if he really can be as good a pro as many on this site seem to think) would be a strong pick. The run blocking was okay last year and should be better (and much better if a good blocking TE is added -- like Miller) with Jansen and Rabach and hopefully Samuels and Thomas healthier...having two legit deep threats on the outside (Moss plus Patten/Thrash/Jacobs), should make most teams keep their safeties deep (not that most don't already) which would leave the combo of Miller, Cooley, and Portis matched up primarily man-to-man w/ LBs or looking for gaps against zones...I like the odds that all 3 of those guys can consistently get open in either case.

[charleesdad]

Does any one else think Burress could drop in price enough for the Skins to take him and use the draft for other needs. In Pitt he had a guy by the name of Ward catching most of the balls but when big Ben jumped in he stepped up. He actually averaged 19 ypc in that offense (run first ball control...sound familiar)

Maybe his asking price is too high right now to gamble but if he can be had for 4 mil/year he's a proven guy who has a couple seasons under his belt and has shown durability.

[JoeDaSchmoe]

The Schmoe-Approved First Round Draft Picks:

Shawne Merriman
Heath Miller
Carlos Rogers
David Pollack
Erasmus James

Mike Williams doesn't make the list. Firstly, because I didn't like what I saw in his pro day workout, and think he'll have trouble creating seperation from DBs (and no, it has nothing to do with his 40 time, it's his eeming lack of quickness out of cuts). Secondly, because I don't think we have a need at WR anymore. Would a 6'5" guy be nice? Sure, but the Rams manage without a big man, as do the Colts, Chiefs, and Chargers. Notice how all of those offenses except the Rams use tight ends in the place of posession receivers (hence my push for Miller - Gibbs loves two-TE sets, and could model their use after the Colts with Clark/Pollard). The Rams' offense, of course, stems from the Air Coryell system, which Gibbs was a part of for years.

Big receivers are for the West Coast offense, which is not what Gibbs runs (although it did sort of look like it last year). Assuming the improved O-line is actually improved, and assuming Gibbs wasn't simply making up stories when he said that he'd be changing a lot of last year's offensive scheme, I'd say that we can expect an offense that looks like a cross between the Rypien/Williams years and the Rams of today (if we draft Miller, perhaps more like the Colts of today). That's an offense that doesn't need Mike Williams.

[whitskins]

Big receivers are for the West Coast offense, which is not what Gibbs runs (although it did sort of look like it last year). Assuming the improved O-line is actually improved, and assuming Gibbs wasn't simply making up stories when he said that he'd be changing a lot of last year's offensive scheme, I'd say that we can expect an offense that looks like a cross between the Rypien/Williams years and the Rams of today (if we draft Miller, perhaps more like the Colts of today). That's an offense that doesn't need Mike Williams.

If you want a Whit prediction for who will be a Redskin on draft day (which I'm not sure anyone does) it's Heath Miller.

I think the Skins feel like we're ok at WR but still want a guy who can create mismatches over the middle of the field. Maybe trade down a few spots so someone can get the best available defensive player and we nab Miller... Just a hunch I got.

[OCSkinzFan]

If Williams is there, which I really doubt, I think the Skins have to draft him. He is simply to good to pass up. People can say all they want about speed, etc., but this kids a playmaker. The films do not decieve. Who cares if we have a lot of WR's, you can't pass on a talent like Williams.

You are absolutely right. I think we're fine at at CB. The offence needs all the love it can get. Williams didn't play last year, but he is a player. He got more yards in his first two years (Freshman and Sophamore) than many wr's get in a whole college career. That being said I don't think we can get him at 9. But this is a good WR draft and I'm pretty sure we're going to bring one in. As well as a good TE that can block.

[colkurtz]

Mike Williams is like Sean Taylor last year. Issues, but just too good to pass up. MW is just one of those players who will be a monser to take you to the next level, or a bust.

With a #30 NFL offense, we need some serious offensive upgrades. The OL is the most important improvement. Now we need some serious WR's for Ramsey to throw to.

[Redskinfan28]

The Schmoe-Approved First Round Draft Picks:

Shawne Merriman
Heath Miller
Carlos Rogers
David Pollack
Erasmus James

Mike Williams doesn't make the list. Firstly, because I didn't like what I saw in his pro day workout, and think he'll have trouble creating seperation from DBs (and no, it has nothing to do with his 40 time, it's his eeming lack of quickness out of cuts). Secondly, because I don't think we have a need at WR anymore. Would a 6'5" guy be nice? Sure, but the Rams manage without a big man, as do the Colts, Chiefs, and Chargers. Notice how all of those offenses except the Rams use tight ends in the place of posession receivers (hence my push for Miller - Gibbs loves two-TE sets, and could model their use after the Colts with Clark/Pollard). The Rams' offense, of course, stems from the Air Coryell system, which Gibbs was a part of for years.

Big receivers are for the West Coast offense, which is not what Gibbs runs (although it did sort of look like it last year). Assuming the improved O-line is actually improved, and assuming Gibbs wasn't simply making up stories when he said that he'd be changing a lot of last year's offensive scheme, I'd say that we can expect an offense that looks like a cross between the Rypien/Williams years and the Rams of today (if we draft Miller, perhaps more like the Colts of today). That's an offense that doesn't need Mike Williams.


Other than possibly Merriman, none of those guys should be taken at #9.

[redwolf1218]

when a receiver is 6'-5 and 230, he doesnt need to get separation from a 5'-9 corner.

[JoeDaSchmoe]

Other than possibly Merriman, none of those guys should be taken at #9.

I didn't say they should. Most would involve a trade down.

[ObiWan1278]

Call me old fashion if you like but only one thing wins football games well two...Defense and offensive linemen. Especially in the NFL. If you can protect the QB any of the QB's in the NFL can be successful no matter what their names are. If you can run the ball you kill the clock the defense is fresher, everything is easier.

With that said I think losing Janson last year was one of our man achilles for the season.

Im all for stocking up on linemen, so that when one falls you can throw another one in there. Linemen in my opinion should be the priority of any football team, because with time any WR can get open, any RB can run through the holes and QB's can make the reads. I am not a NFL analyst, nor do I claim to know the game but deep down I believe the line will win you the game before anythign will (except may Defense...which is helped by a strong line)

With that said, I hope we could trade down and with the entire draft pick up linemen and maybe a good corner as a back up. :-) (I wouldn't mind Heath Miller either)

The skins had the #3 Defense last year, we lost smoot, but were gaining Arrington back and Barrow was suppose to be the starter, LB is one of our strong positions we will be fine without Pierce.

[hailgibbsy]

I totally agree with taking Heath Miller at TE by either trading down or grabbing him at 9. The Jets want him bad now that Denver matched the offer sheet and kept their own. Why am I so hi on this? Because we now have speed. Now we need possession. A moose to go over the middle. What better to compliment our great running back and Smurfs II? Okay, I could understand any other variation with DE or CB, trading down, what have you. But I remember the ol' Raider days of Dave Casper and agree with others that this would be a solid addition to an already strenghtening offense.

Go air, go ground, go Gibbs!

[ryflan47]

we DONT need a TE this year, look at the numbers cooley put up last year as gibb's H-back, just as many TD's as shockey, in less games... i believe we need a WR in the first round, then trade gardner and use that later round pick to draft a decent corner.. has anyone seen garnell wilds play?? what happened that game?? randy moss left the field after being shut down by wilds

[Redskin006]

we DONT need a TE this year, look at the numbers cooley put up last year as gibb's H-back, just as many TD's as shockey, in less games... i believe we need a WR in the first round, then trade gardner and use that later round pick to draft a decent corner.. has anyone seen garnell wilds play?? what happened that game?? randy moss left the field after being shut down by wilds

I wouldn't say that Wilds shut him down, but he did fairly well against Moss. Wilds will be a good nickel corner next year.

[ryflan47]

what are the chances of us aquiring franks or becht? im up by NY so i see the Jets play almost every weekend and Becht's hands suck.. but his blocking impresses me.. what would be nice is if we got big bubba

[Aquari0217]

You think our small WRs can block to allow Portis to run to the outside? Thrash has to start. Our WRs are set...draft Rolle. Arrington is back to be our DE, M.Washington can fill that role too.

Our CBs are often left on an island so that everyone else can concentrate on the run. Springs is 30 years old...draft Rolle. By the time Rolle is ready for a Fred Smoot contract, Springs would be retired. Also if Springs goes down we are left with Harris and Wilds starting. Boo.

In about 3-4 years Rolle and Wilds will be our starting CBs.

Cooley is our posession WR.

[bgforever]

You think our small WRs can block to allow Portis to run to the outside? Thrash has to start. Our WRs are set...draft Rolle. Arrington is back to be our DE, M.Washington can fill that role too.

Our CBs are often left on an island so that everyone else can concentrate on the run. Springs is 30 years old...draft Rolle. By the time Rolle is ready for a Fred Smoot contract, Springs would be retired. Also if Springs goes down we are left with Harris and Wilds starting. Boo.

In about 3-4 years Rolle and Wilds will be our starting CBs.

Cooley is our posession WR.

Cooley remark not as bad as it looks (for a medium range attack ) - reason - Ramsey would have LESS time to get rid of the ball,because an extra LB would be free. Against most NFL defense, the 1001 counts are out the window in 3 seconds. For a long ball offense capability, Cooley is the right balance to hold LB's at bay on the outside, as would a slot receiver like Patten, Thrash (tough enough and quick/smart for spots open, able to beat either a safety or LB to it). This could allow those plays deeper, but still that will depend on the WR's getting open (Moss/Jacobs/DMAC/PAtten?).

On defense, we have a delimma on those signings for players taken in bunches. Each time I am up by these good writings, I am reminded of the still limited budget by the time the draft is over ( this means making room for players in 4-5 spots,from a draft, and still already having signed Moss and about 2-3 RFA, ERFA and maybe one more FA. This points to lower round picks, starting in mid to late 2, instead of late 1, with an emphasis on vets in skilled positions, mainly linemen in the draft. Only two players could possibly be taken at the height of our picks, either CB and WR or CB and DE.

[redwolf1218]

i'm beginning to think that Gibbs will have a tough time passing up the chance to draft Heath Miller. I think he will become a better blocker than Rasby and a better receiving threat than Royal. Like someone said, a receiver like Mike Williams could be the next T.O. or he could be a bust. this year we went out and got the best available center in free agency...next year we will have cap space to grab a great, proven receiver if the guys we have dont get it done.